Shigeru Miyamoto reckons Nintendo's next console is likely to go down a similar route to Wii - a compact, low-cost machine.
Speaking of Nintendo's plans going forward, Miyamoto said: "With both the Wii Remote itself and Wii Motion Plus, what we've been able to do is introduce an interface that is both I think appealing and at the right price for a broad audience.
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"And while we don't have any concrete plans for what we'll be doing with hardware in the future, what I can say is that, my guess is that because we found this interface to be so interesting, I think it would be likely that we would try to make that same functionality perhaps more compact and perhaps even more cost-efficient."
We sense another low-powered machine from Nintendo, then. On a side note, when Miyamoto was asked what his dream game that uses the Wii Remote might be, he told Popular Mechanics: "Right now I'm focusing on creating the next Zelda game."
Another Nintendo console not for hardcore gamers then
Don't see why not, the Wii can is also for the Hardcore gamer, it all depends on which games you want and call Hardcore. In any case most Hardcore gamers get all the consoles to get the best of it all.
Another Nintendo console not for hardcore gamers then
Why would any business limit their product to a small minority group of people when they are capable of making a product that will sell to a vast majority of people?
I think some 'hardcore gamers' need to to take a reality pill...
Another Nintendo console not for hardcore gamers then
Why would any business limit their product to a small minority group of people when they are capable of making a product that will sell to a vast majority of people?
I think some 'hardcore gamers' need to to take a reality pill...
The Wii is by no streatch of the imagination a hardcore gamers machine. Where are the gamers HUGE titles. No GTA4, no Modern Warfare 2 (and even if the wii did get it it's dumbed down), no Bioshock... Those are just three HUGE titles that spring to mind. Over the years I remember seeing a stack more that either didn't make it to the Wii or were dumbed down with Gamecube graphics.
Having said that the Wii has it's own good games like...well...I heard Mario sunshine was good and...My Little Pony: Curse of The Magic Rainbow.
Another Nintendo console not for hardcore gamers then
As a "Hardcore gamer" (a really hate that term...) I would imagine that graphics are not important as real gamers are more bothered about gameplay than anything else.
Also for reading the text it appears as if he is talking about making the Motion controls more compact and cost effective rather than the machine. It is easy to jump on a comment when it is taken out of context as the sun and mirror prove on a daily basis.
Another Nintendo console not for hardcore gamers then
Why would any business limit their product to a small minority group of people when they are capable of making a product that will sell to a vast majority of people?
I think some 'hardcore gamers' need to to take a reality pill...
If you were as casual a gamer as the Wii aims its self at would you really be bottomd if there was a Wii 2?
Didn't think so.
I know girls who think they are cool cause they are still playing a PS2 or even ps1.
Another Nintendo console not for hardcore gamers then
Why would any business limit their product to a small minority group of people when they are capable of making a product that will sell to a vast majority of people?
I think some 'hardcore gamers' need to to take a reality pill...
The Wii is by no streatch of the imagination a hardcore gamers machine. Where are the gamers HUGE titles. No GTA4, no Modern Warfare 2 (and even if the wii did get it it's dumbed down), no Bioshock... Those are just three HUGE titles that spring to mind. Over the years I remember seeing a stack more that either didn't make it to the Wii or were dumbed down with Gamecube graphics.
Having said that the Wii has it's own good games like...well...I heard Mario sunshine was good and...My Little Pony: Curse of The Magic Rainbow.
Perhaps if you knew anything about gaming you would like the wii. However it is clear you do not as Mario Sunshine was a Game Cube game and a game does not have to have a huge following in order to be Hardcore! Have you ever played radiant silvergun for instance?
Trouble is that today's online brigade have taken the 'hardcore' definition for their own and twisted it to represent something completely different from what it used to mean.
As far as I'm concerned (as a relatively older gamer), next month's Wii releases of A boy and his Blob, Super Mario Wii and Muramasa are as 'hardcore' as anything else that's out in the run-up to Christmas.
A game doesn't have to be some gritty, realistic HD, hyped-up, shooty-sweary cash cow to be deemed a 'core' experience. As long as it's testing your gaming skills to the max, testing your powers of concentration and requiring you to put in the effort, I call that 'hardcore'. By that definition, the Wii has quite a lot of those titles.
Trouble is that today's online brigade have taken the 'hardcore' definition for their own and twisted it to represent something completely different from what it used to mean.
As far as I'm concerned (as an relatively older gamer), next month's Wii releases of A boy and his Blob, Super Mario Wii and Muramasa are as 'hardcore' as anything else that's out in the run-up to Christmas.
A game doesn't have to be some gritty, realistic HD, hyped-up, shooty-sweary cash cow to be deemed a 'core' experience. As long as it's testing your gaming skills to the max, testing your powers of concentration and requiring you to put in the effort, I call that 'hardcore'. By that definition, the Wii has quite a lot of those titles.
Another Nintendo console not for hardcore gamers then
Don't see why not, the Wii can is also for the Hardcore gamer, it all depends on which games you want and call Hardcore. In any case most Hardcore gamers get all the consoles to get the best of it all.
Exactly, these gamers who class themselves as 'hardcore' would surely require all consoles, otherwise how could they count themselves as 'hardcore'? Never liked that term, I mean, what exactly makes someone 'hardcore'?
For example, I collect games, have a lot of consoles and games across various systems, rare games, unreleased games, Japanese games etc., but only have time to play games about 1 hour or so a day. Whereas my mate only has a PS3, but plays for over 40 hours a week, already has Platinum on Uncharted 2, has put over 250 hours into Fallout 3 etc.
Am I 'hardcore' or is he?! (Not that it really matters as long as we enjoy our hobby!)
The Wii is by no streatch of the imagination a hardcore gamers machine. Where are the gamers HUGE titles. No GTA4, no Modern Warfare 2 (and even if the wii did get it it's dumbed down), no Bioshock... Those are just three HUGE titles that spring to mind. Over the years I remember seeing a stack more that either didn't make it to the Wii or were dumbed down with Gamecube graphics.
Having said that the Wii has it's own good games like...well...I heard Mario sunshine was good and...My Little Pony: Curse of The Magic Rainbow.
I don't think you actually read my post.
I was just making an observation that some people feel that Nintendo should make their next console appeal more to the 'hardcore gamer'. I was saying this seems a bit silly considering the success they have had with the Wii appealing to a broader range of people.
I imagine now that the current "hardcore" generation has managed to shrink both the CPU and GPUs we'll see that stuck into the next Ninty box.
Rather than hardware this time, I'd rather hear about what they're going to do to get the current Wii owners (who do undeniably love their box) to give them up and move to the new one. It's going to take something equally revolutionary to see sales figures that match what we've seen this time.
Another Nintendo console not for hardcore gamers then
Why would any business limit their product to a small minority group of people when they are capable of making a product that will sell to a vast majority of people?
I think some 'hardcore gamers' need to to take a reality pill...
The Wii is by no streatch of the imagination a hardcore gamers machine. Where are the gamers HUGE titles. No GTA4, no Modern Warfare 2 (and even if the wii did get it it's dumbed down), no Bioshock... Those are just three HUGE titles that spring to mind. Over the years I remember seeing a stack more that either didn't make it to the Wii or were dumbed down with Gamecube graphics.
Having said that the Wii has it's own good games like...well...I heard Mario sunshine was good and...My Little Pony: Curse of The Magic Rainbow.
Perhaps if you knew anything about gaming you would like the wii. However it is clear you do not as Mario Sunshine was a Game Cube game and a game does not have to have a huge following in order to be Hardcore! Have you ever played radiant silvergun for instance?
I meant galaxy but I'm sure since there are more mario games than children in the world I can be forgiving
If your idea of 'hardcore' is the cod's and gta's of this gaming generation, then I think your mistaken and need to look up the definition of 'hardcore'...
The Wii is by no streatch of the imagination a hardcore gamers machine. Where are the gamers HUGE titles. No GTA4, no Modern Warfare 2 (and even if the wii did get it it's dumbed down), no Bioshock... Those are just three HUGE titles that spring to mind. Over the years I remember seeing a stack more that either didn't make it to the Wii or were dumbed down with Gamecube graphics.
Having said that the Wii has it's own good games like...well...I heard Mario sunshine was good and...My Little Pony: Curse of The Magic Rainbow.
I don't think you actually read my post.
I was just making an observation that some people feel that Nintendo should make their next console appeal more to the 'hardcore gamer'. I was saying this seems a bit silly considering the success they have had with the Wii appealing to a broader range of people.
It's quite possible I didn't read it! I just hate Nintendo now. They are damaging gaming. Never before have developers managed to make such crap that gets into the charts for months! Filled with mini games, crap graphics and next to no thought.
Just wait untill Microsoft and Sony follow (as they are beginning too).
Nintendo may have helped to make gaming what it is now but they sure as hell need no help to drive it into the ground.
If your idea of 'hardcore' is the cod's and gta's of this gaming generation, then I think your mistaken and need to look up the definition of 'hardcore'...
Let me know what you find...
I didn't say they were hardcore games. But a hardcore gamer isn't going to want to miss out on the industries biggest titles.
I don't think the word 'Hardcore' gamer should be used at all. Someone reading this site and looking at these comments sections would probably translate hardcore into something else... Hardcore = W@nkers most likely. We can be rather elitist at times.
My Wii has over 20 games to play on and god knows how many PC games I own. That amount of games I would call myself a gaming aficionado. That's a better word
If your idea of 'hardcore' is the cod's and gta's of this gaming generation, then I think your mistaken and need to look up the definition of 'hardcore'...
Let me know what you find...
I didn't say they were hardcore games. But a hardcore gamer isn't going to want to miss out on the industries biggest titles.
Sigh...
Again, look up the definition of 'hardcore' before you start banding it about like you know what it means.
The Wii is by no streatch of the imagination a hardcore gamers machine. Where are the gamers HUGE titles. No GTA4, no Modern Warfare 2 (and even if the wii did get it it's dumbed down), no Bioshock... Those are just three HUGE titles that spring to mind. Over the years I remember seeing a stack more that either didn't make it to the Wii or were dumbed down with Gamecube graphics.
Having said that the Wii has it's own good games like...well...I heard Mario sunshine was good and...My Little Pony: Curse of The Magic Rainbow.
I don't think you actually read my post.
I was just making an observation that some people feel that Nintendo should make their next console appeal more to the 'hardcore gamer'. I was saying this seems a bit silly considering the success they have had with the Wii appealing to a broader range of people.
It's quite possible I didn't read it! I just hate Nintendo now. They are damaging gaming. Never before have developers managed to make such crap that gets into the charts for months! Filled with mini games, crap graphics and next to no thought.
Just wait untill Microsoft and Sony follow (as they are beginning too).
Nintendo may have helped to make gaming what it is now but they sure as hell need no help to drive it into the ground.
That's funny, I have quite a lot of Wii games which are not 'filled with mini games' and do not have 'crap graphics'.
The fact is - as great as the PS3 and 360 are - the games tend to rely on high-res graphics and proven gameplay mechanics....the Wii doesn't and can give you a totally different gaming experience at times.
Sure, there are plenty of rubbish games released for the Wii (nothing new - it's the leading console platform and the PS2 had plenty of rubbish), but there are absolutely tons of utter gems to be found. The beauty of the Wii is that - when it is done right - it forces the developer to use their imaginations a bit more.
The thing that amazes me most of all is the fact that so many people dismiss the Wii as a gaming platform, but change their tunes when an HD Wii is mentioned - basically the same thing...just prettier.
I don't think the word 'Hardcore' gamer should be used at all. Someone reading this site and looking at these comments sections would probably translate hardcore into something else... Hardcore = W@nkers most likely. We can be rather elitist at times.
My Wii has over 20 games to play on and god knows how many PC games I own. That amount of games I would call myself a gaming aficionado. That's a better word
Couldn't agree more - I loathe the term.
The term 'Hardcore Gamer' means one of two things to me:
a. Someone who makes gaming a profession - actively enters and competes in tournaments at a very high level. b. Someone that literally wears out joypads, does very little but play games and someone that really should get out more.
I don't think too many people can claim to be category A and I doubt many would want to be category B.
If your idea of 'hardcore' is the cod's and gta's of this gaming generation, then I think your mistaken and need to look up the definition of 'hardcore'...
Let me know what you find...
I didn't say they were hardcore games. But a hardcore gamer isn't going to want to miss out on the industries biggest titles.
Sigh...
Again, look up the definition of 'hardcore' before you start banding it about like you know what it means.
Wow...ur a k**b.
Perhaps you should look it up. Here: Hardcore gamer is a widely used term applied to describe a type of video game player. There is currently no unanimously agreed upon definition for the term (see Usage section). Some describe hardcore gamers as those whose leisure time is largely devoted to playing or reading about video games. This type of gamer prefers to take significant time and practice on games, in contrast to a casual gamer. Many hardcore gamers pride themselves on mastering the rules or use of a game, although this is not a strict requirement. Conflicting opinion argues that it is not so much the time spent on games however, as casual gamers can spend hundreds of hours on games without ever mastering them.
A hardcore gamer wouldn't miss out on the industries biggest games and since I can play GH on Expert, complete ninja gaiden and complete halo solo on ledgendary n have over 50,000 gamerpoints i think i'm a "hardcore" gamer.
I just hate Nintendo now. They are damaging gaming. Never before have developers managed to make such crap that gets into the charts for months! Filled with mini games, crap graphics and next to no thought.
The PS2 had this problem if not more than the Wii. One the lastest releases in my local stores were, Smarties the game( and that the chocolates by the way not a Quiz game), Mr Bean, Dora the explorer, Little Britain and other crap like that. Its always going to happen no matter what console it is, as long as it has mass-market consumers.
I have the view that games like call of Duty, Bioshock and GTA aren't hardcore games anyway. Hardcore tends to be samller cult followings. For instance all these games have masive Hype and marketing which helps them sell shed loads of copies to lots of different gamers. The Hardcore games tend not to have this and sell to "hardcore" gamers who know how good they are without all the hype. And the Wii does have some of these, Madworld, No more Heroes, House of the Dead overkill, and a few more as well. But thats just my view, and as others have said, the term Harcore like "core gamers" has been twisted and misused and I hate to hear them now.
If your idea of 'hardcore' is the cod's and gta's of this gaming generation, then I think your mistaken and need to look up the definition of 'hardcore'...
Let me know what you find...
I didn't say they were hardcore games. But a hardcore gamer isn't going to want to miss out on the industries biggest titles.
Sigh...
Again, look up the definition of 'hardcore' before you start banding it about like you know what it means.
Wow...ur a k**b.
Perhaps you should look it up. Here: Hardcore gamer is a widely used term applied to describe a type of video game player. There is currently no unanimously agreed upon definition for the term (see Usage section). Some describe hardcore gamers as those whose leisure time is largely devoted to playing or reading about video games. This type of gamer prefers to take significant time and practice on games, in contrast to a casual gamer. Many hardcore gamers pride themselves on mastering the rules or use of a game, although this is not a strict requirement. Conflicting opinion argues that it is not so much the time spent on games however, as casual gamers can spend hundreds of hours on games without ever mastering them.
A hardcore gamer wouldn't miss out on the industries biggest games and since I can play GH on Expert, complete ninja gaiden and complete halo solo on ledgendary n have over 50,000 gamerpoints i think i'm a "hardcore" gamer.
Go play your pokemon games.
It's interesting that you type all that out, and then ruin it at the end by saying, 'go play pokemon'.
Pokemon is an RPG that will take many hours to complete, and is of the same ilk as Monster Hunter, which is definitely considered a hardcore game. The only difference is that one has cartoony graphics, and the other does not, which implies you are seriously missing the point somewhat.
As for what Shigsy is saying, just a few days ago he was talking about Nintendo embracing HD, it is plausible that by the time the next generation rolls around it may be possible to remain cost effective and include HD technology... Not that it really matters.
Although when you actually read the article properly, you realise he's talking about the Wii remote being smaller and more cost effective next time around, not the console.
Perhaps you should look it up. Here: Hardcore gamer is a widely used term applied to describe a type of video game player. There is currently no unanimously agreed upon definition for the term (see Usage section). Some describe hardcore gamers as those whose leisure time is largely devoted to playing or reading about video games. This type of gamer prefers to take significant time and practice on games, in contrast to a casual gamer. Many hardcore gamers pride themselves on mastering the rules or use of a game, although this is not a strict requirement. Conflicting opinion argues that it is not so much the time spent on games however, as casual gamers can spend hundreds of hours on games without ever mastering them.
A hardcore gamer wouldn't miss out on the industries biggest games and since I can play GH on Expert, complete ninja gaiden and complete halo solo on ledgendary n have over 50,000 gamerpoints i think i'm a "hardcore" gamer.
Go play your pokemon games.
No, you have got it wrong again. I said look up the definition of 'hardcore' not 'hardcore gamer'. Which by the way doesn't have a definition because it isn't a word. Which makes me presume you got your so called 'definition' by typing in 'hardcore gamer' into Google or something.
I will do the looking up for you...
one defintion of 'hardcore': An intractable core or nucleus of a society, especially one that is stubbornly resistant to improvement or change.
Sound like someone? oh yes thats right, you...
Funny how both your 'definition' and mine make no association towards the so called 'quality' of a game and its 'hardcore-ness'. Thats because 'quality' of a game or console or anything else for that matter is purely subjective. You might want to look that word up too.
Oh and BTW I have never played a pokemon game, are they any good?
as a Wii owner I'd like to see nintendo stick with their excellent gameplay but with graphics as good as 360/PS3. what's wrong with wanting both, they're not mutually exclusive!
imaging how good a zelda could look AND play if the Wii had some decent power. For me it's not just about the gameplay. If that were true i'd have stuck with my master system or speccy.
Another Nintendo console not for hardcore gamers then
So let me get this straight, the Gamecube IS hardcore with games like Skies of Arcadea, but the Wii is NOT hardcore evn though its that same machine but in a white flat box? Riiiiiight!
Back on topic, I say Nintendo should stick with the Wii for as long as they can, they have a great seller and releasing a new machine too soon would be crazy. I think they can equal Sony's 10 year console lifecyle idea.
When he says that I'm sure he's talking about the controller, they'll carry over the Wii remote and motion plus to the next console. I'm sure the actual specs of the next console will be much closer to the 360/PS3.
Perhaps you should look it up. Here: Hardcore gamer is a widely used term applied to describe a type of video game player. There is currently no unanimously agreed upon definition for the term (see Usage section). Some describe hardcore gamers as those whose leisure time is largely devoted to playing or reading about video games. This type of gamer prefers to take significant time and practice on games, in contrast to a casual gamer. Many hardcore gamers pride themselves on mastering the rules or use of a game, although this is not a strict requirement. Conflicting opinion argues that it is not so much the time spent on games however, as casual gamers can spend hundreds of hours on games without ever mastering them.
A hardcore gamer wouldn't miss out on the industries biggest games and since I can play GH on Expert, complete ninja gaiden and complete halo solo on ledgendary n have over 50,000 gamerpoints i think i'm a "hardcore" gamer.
Go play your pokemon games.
Did you get 5 plat hits on Rockstar ate my Hamster? Can you complete Bak 2 Skool without kissing your-in game girlfriend? Completed KOF '95 only using the ikari warriors team? Finished all the Magic Knight/Wally Week games?
If you answered no to any of these questions, stfu - you are not Hardcore, you don't even know what its means kiddo
If your idea of 'hardcore' is the cod's and gta's of this gaming generation, then I think your mistaken and need to look up the definition of 'hardcore'...
Let me know what you find...
I didn't say they were hardcore games. But a hardcore gamer isn't going to want to miss out on the industries biggest titles.
Sigh...
Again, look up the definition of 'hardcore' before you start banding it about like you know what it means.
Wow...ur a k**b.
Perhaps you should look it up. Here: Hardcore gamer is a widely used term applied to describe a type of video game player. There is currently no unanimously agreed upon definition for the term (see Usage section). Some describe hardcore gamers as those whose leisure time is largely devoted to playing or reading about video games. This type of gamer prefers to take significant time and practice on games, in contrast to a casual gamer. Many hardcore gamers pride themselves on mastering the rules or use of a game, although this is not a strict requirement. Conflicting opinion argues that it is not so much the time spent on games however, as casual gamers can spend hundreds of hours on games without ever mastering them.
A hardcore gamer wouldn't miss out on the industries biggest games and since I can play GH on Expert, complete ninja gaiden and complete halo solo on ledgendary n have over 50,000 gamerpoints i think i'm a "hardcore" gamer.
Go play your pokemon games.
No, if you want to use the word hardcore it would actually surely mean that you would not want to miss out on the best games not the biggest (bearing in mind the biggest games are not generally the best ie Gears of War, Fifa -up until recently). If you want to play the best games you need really to have a number of consoles and be open minded. For instance Galaxy is quite possibly the best game made so far. Just like films there is no link between blockbuster and quality. I would rather play Ikaruga than Killzone 2.
"Even more cost-efficient" implies little increase in power, so it'll be about the same as a Wii but with HDMI output.
The HDMI output would cost 100k per year, and 4 euro per port. So there will be no HDMI port on any Nintendo console before they pay the 4c/console for a DVD drive.
I think that with the NES's joypad, the SNES's 3D graphix chip, the N64's anologue stick, the Cubes raw power (matched and, in some cases, exceed its generation), and the Wii's motion controlers, Nintendo need to plan on how the can further inovate the gaming market as they've been the best pioneers.
Use the money they made on the Wii to make a console available that is powerful enough to play the next generation games (Crysis 5 and a new Zelda on the one platform? oh yes!), make it HD, provide a hard drive as standard etc etc.
It doesnt have to plat dvds or blurays, it doesnt need to offer the weather or news etc just make a leading games console that I can play Modern Warefare 3 along side Mario 64 - 2.
I got rid of my Wii for the reasons Nintendo are stating they want to proceed with their new machine.
I think that with the NES's joypad, the SNES's 3D graphix chip, the N64's anologue stick, the Cubes raw power (matched and, in some cases, exceed its generation), and the Wii's motion controlers, Nintendo need to plan on how the can further inovate the gaming market as they've been the best pioneers.
Use the money they made on the Wii to make a console available that is powerful enough to play the next generation games (Crysis 5 and a new Zelda on the one platform? oh yes!), make it HD, provide a hard drive as standard etc etc.
It doesnt have to plat dvds or blurays, it doesnt need to offer the weather or news etc just make a leading games console that I can play Modern Warefare 3 along side Mario 64 - 2.
I got rid of my Wii for the reasons Nintendo are stating they want to proceed with their new machine.
You will never be able to play all the best games on one console due to exclusives. Which is exactly my point. I have a Wii, 360, PSP, DS, PC and now they have dropped the price, I am tempted to get a PS3. That way I can get all the best games that get released.
"You will never be able to play all the best games on one console due to exclusives. Which is exactly my point. I have a Wii, 360, PSP, DS, PC and now they have dropped the price, I am tempted to get a PS3. That way I can get all the best games that get released." (problem with my quotations) -------------------
Its a lot of money, sure the new machine would not get Halo 4, Uncharted 4, Gears of War 4, Gran Turismo 6 or any new Metal Gear Solid etc etc but it can get cross gen titles such as Crysis, Call of Duty, Assasins Creed, Grand Theft Auto etc etc and it wont feel left out from the cross gen crowd. PS and Xbox owners wouldnt get Mario and Zelda etc.
My point being, build a powerful enough machine to support the high spec cross platform games for its generation, everybody wins (the Wiis lack of power to play these games, this gen, is one of the reasons I stopped playing it as there wasnt enough being released that catered for my demand, I've played Zelda, Okami and Resident Evil 4 last gen). I'd like ot see a Zelda game utilising the same power that supports Crysis.
"You will never be able to play all the best games on one console due to exclusives. Which is exactly my point. I have a Wii, 360, PSP, DS, PC and now they have dropped the price, I am tempted to get a PS3. That way I can get all the best games that get released." (problem with my quotations) -------------------
Its a lot of money, sure the new machine would not get Halo 4, Uncharted 4, Gears of War 4, Gran Turismo 6 or any new Metal Gear Solid etc etc but it can get cross gen titles such as Crysis, Call of Duty, Assasins Creed, Grand Theft Auto etc etc and it wont feel left out from the cross gen crowd. PS and Xbox owners wouldnt get Mario and Zelda etc.
My point being, build a powerful enough machine to support the high spec cross platform games for its generation, everybody wins (the Wiis lack of power to play these games, this gen, is one of the reasons I stopped playing it as there wasnt enough being released that catered for my demand, I've played Zelda, Okami and Resident Evil 4 last gen). I'd like ot see a Zelda game utilising the same power that supports Crysis.
I can see your point, but I am more interested in gameplay than graphics. The fact that the PS3 and 360 are so closely matched and have the same cross platform games is one of the reasons I have not yet bought a PS3. I want my consoles to offer something different otherwise there is not much point in having more than one.
Wow. Maybe I'm just in a bad mood, but this place seems full of absolute t**ts lately. Or maybe the t**ts are being even more t**ttish?
Well done Nintendo, you made a really popular console, managed to avoid being knocked out of the home console business for good. Now forget all that, just go back to making consoles and games that the majority of the public eschew, in order to satisfy some dicks who aren't even out of their teens (at least not mentally) who have a hard on for guns and cleavage. You know, the hardcore. The people that matter. Who already have the PS3, 360 and PC to cater to their 'needs'.
If Nintendo decide to satisfy people like Robzy, I shall be taking up short positions and will have made millions by thw time 'Wii 2' comes out.
When he says that I'm sure he's talking about the controller, they'll carry over the Wii remote and motion plus to the next console. I'm sure the actual specs of the next console will be much closer to the 360/PS3.
agreed. it doesn't say anywhere that the hardware itself will be low cost and underpowered: that was inferred by the author of the article.
i'd expect the wii hd to be at least as powerful as a ps3,which by current gpu standards isn't THAT powerful at all.
the one place nintendo really need to invest some effort though is the online side of things. 12 players doesn't really cut it and the less said about friend codes the better.
the Wii can is also for the Hardcore gamer, it all depends on which games you want and call Hardcore.
Ok, if you can name 10 AAA hardcore titles for the Wii, i'll give you a Blue Peter badge and a balloon.
Super Smash Bros Mario Galaxy Zack and Wiki Metroid Prime Corruption RE4+ Twilight Princess Mario Kart Animal Crossing Umbrella Chronicles Mad World
I do not think you are authorised to give out Blue Peter badges but can I still have the Balloon?
Okami, New Super Mario Bros Wii (When it comes out =)) Tiger Woods 10, Pro Evo Soccer 2009, HOTDverkill, World of Goo, De Blob. A couple there for good measure
Even if the next console won't bring the latest in technology it should at least bring a bigger jump than what we saw from Gamecube to Wii. No matter what kind of "revolutionary" controls they could come up with next, I think it would be really insane if they in, say, 2011 or 2012 release a console that STILL can't rival PS3 and Xbox 360.
Wow. Maybe I'm just in a bad mood, but this place seems full of absolute t**ts lately. Or maybe the t**ts are being even more t**ttish?
Well done Nintendo, you made a really popular console, managed to avoid being knocked out of the home console business for good. Now forget all that, just go back to making consoles and games that the majority of the public eschew, in order to satisfy some dicks who aren't even out of their teens (at least not mentally) who have a hard on for guns and cleavage. You know, the hardcore. The people that matter. Who already have the PS3, 360 and PC to cater to their 'needs'.
If Nintendo decide to satisfy people like Robzy, I shall be taking up short positions and will have made millions by thw time 'Wii 2' comes out.
Yeah, I remember saying that Nintendo really have absolutely no reason to cater to the 'hardcore gamer' in a different thread a while back.
Why should they? - if they manage to get Shenmue 3 as an exclusive, does that mean that it'll sell better than the first 2?.....highly unlikely.
Fact is, Nintendo were almost out of the console scene after the Gamecube, so going after the same people that have let them down in the past would be stupid. I'm personally happy for them that WiiFit (and the like) is such a success.....would I personally buy it? - no, but I sure as hell don't begrudge anyone that has.
If you read IGN's report on this news item, it is perfectly clear that Miyamoto is talking about the motion control interface. He is talking about making THE CONTROLLER more compact, more efficient and cheaper. So everyone has been going off on silly fanboy rants for no reason whatsoever.
On another note, to address the possible definition of the term 'hardcore' - I believe it has something to do with penetration, doesn't it? And the Wii has the biggest market penetration of all...
on a side note: does anyone else get the feeling that the true wii zelda is going to be held back as a wii hd launch title. i've just got this sneaky suspicion that there won't be another zelda on the wii.
the Wii can is also for the Hardcore gamer, it all depends on which games you want and call Hardcore.
Ok, if you can name 10 AAA hardcore titles for the Wii, i'll give you a Blue Peter badge and a balloon.
Super Smash Bros Mario Galaxy Zack and Wiki Metroid Prime Corruption RE4+ Twilight Princess Mario Kart Animal Crossing Umbrella Chronicles Mad World
I do not think you are authorised to give out Blue Peter badges but can I still have the Balloon?
Okami, New Super Mario Bros Wii (When it comes out =)) Tiger Woods 10, Pro Evo Soccer 2009, HOTDverkill, World of Goo, De Blob. A couple there for good measure
the Wii can is also for the Hardcore gamer, it all depends on which games you want and call Hardcore.
Ok, if you can name 10 AAA hardcore titles for the Wii, i'll give you a Blue Peter badge and a balloon.
Super Smash Bros Mario Galaxy Zack and Wiki Metroid Prime Corruption RE4+ Twilight Princess Mario Kart Animal Crossing Umbrella Chronicles Mad World
I do not think you are authorised to give out Blue Peter badges but can I still have the Balloon?
Twilight Princess was a GC port but fair enough. Animal Crossing involves about as much skill as eating a pot noodle.
And @ricflair. I used to LOVE nintendo before you made crap like Wii Fit, Wii Music, Brian Training, Wario Ware, Mario Party 145, etc etc...those are not "games".
Give me a good Zelda game like OoT on N64 or even Wind Waker and stop releasing plastic crap with each new game then I'd respect Nintendo.
I almost expect to see "Trust tomy" at the end of a Nintendo ad.
The majority of what they make these days is dumbed down crap for my little sister or a pile of mini games thrown together and put on a disk (see Wii Sports, Wario Ware, Wii Music, Wii Fit, Wii Sports Resort to name a few).
Once they get there games sorted out they should concentrate on catching up with technology. Built in HDD, GOOD online play, decent graphics and maybe by the time Wii 5 comes out they'll add a DVD player...Maybe.
Yep it's certainly the controller he is talking about I think some people need to go back and read the article very carefully, or better yet read it on IGN as Mlongmdl suggested I don't know what's up with CVG recently but their reports to me seem to be totally taking everything out of context.
A hardcore gamer wouldn't miss out on the industries biggest games and since I can play GH on Expert, complete ninja gaiden and complete halo solo on ledgendary n have over 50,000 gamerpoints i think i'm a "hardcore" gamer.
Wow what a contradiction. Wii Fit must be one of the most "hardcore" games then since it was one of the Industries biggest selling games last year.
I also agree with the people who said if you are truly hardcore, man I hate the term, then you must own every console. You said it yourself the "hardcore" must buy all the biggest games as you put it so therefore you are not truly hardcore cos you will no doubt ignore one of the Industries biggest games in New Super Mario Bros Wii.
To the people complaining about Nintendo not having real games, I'm guessing you people haven't been playing games for 30+ yrs like I have. Nintendo doesn't appeal to everyone but it has been the longest running console in history and will continue to do so. I am a gamer hardcore or softcore and I love those big name games that everyone seems to be yelling out here that Nintendo doesn't have. I also love those games that you don't see everyday or aren't ordinary like Halo, etc.
I play just about any game from PC to console and I enjoy them whether they have crappy graphics or mind blowing ones because that's what people seem to be liking these days.
Once they get there games sorted out they should concentrate on catching up with technology. Built in HDD, GOOD online play, decent graphics and maybe by the time Wii 5 comes out they'll add a DVD player...Maybe.
This is the only generation that Nintendo have decided to use a significantly less powerful machine than it's competition. Every other machine has been the most powerful or there abouts (The Gamecube)compared to it's rivals. They have been around the console scene a lot longer than MS and Sony. It was a concious effort to release the Wii at it's current spec. They had a different gameplan this time around and it has succeeded bigtime for them. I would like to think positively for the future of the industry now. People are starting to get creative again and I think we are in for a treat.
But anyway, Shiggers was talking about the controller so no reason to think that the big N's next machine will not be HD and more powerful as he has stated recently the HD appeals to him.
I was making the point that sticking to their previous guns, as so many 'hardcore' gamers wanted, could very likely have pushed them out of the home console race. If they hadn't done the wii I could imagine them just putting all their effort into Pokemon and the DS. That would be awful and a huge loss to the industry.
Why on earth would any company get to the top of the industry by changing direction and then change back? It would hammer them to do that.
Still, in years to come elitists could harp on about the loss of Nintendo and some golden age of gaming, in the way some people talk about the Dreamcast - still wouldn't change the fact that enough people didn't buy it and companies can't operate in some magical land where massive development costs and selling jack s**t (relatively speaking) go hand in hand with profitability and long term sustainability.
The wii is not perfect at all, but that fact it p**ses off self-labelling hardcore gamers is one of the best things about it. And WSR is f**king fantastic, it fills a very large hole that nothing can get close to on the other consoles.
the Wii can is also for the Hardcore gamer, it all depends on which games you want and call Hardcore.
Ok, if you can name 10 AAA hardcore titles for the Wii, i'll give you a Blue Peter badge and a balloon.
Super Smash Bros Mario Galaxy Zack and Wiki Metroid Prime Corruption RE4+ Twilight Princess Mario Kart Animal Crossing Umbrella Chronicles Mad World
I do not think you are authorised to give out Blue Peter badges but can I still have the Balloon?
Twilight Princess was a GC port but fair enough. Animal Crossing involves about as much skill as eating a pot noodle.
And @ricflair. I used to LOVE nintendo before you made crap like Wii Fit, Wii Music, Brian Training, Wario Ware, Mario Party 145, etc etc...those are not "games".
Give me a good Zelda game like OoT on N64 or even Wind Waker and stop releasing plastic crap with each new game then I'd respect Nintendo.
I almost expect to see "Trust tomy" at the end of a Nintendo ad.
The majority of what they make these days is dumbed down crap for my little sister or a pile of mini games thrown together and put on a disk (see Wii Sports, Wario Ware, Wii Music, Wii Fit, Wii Sports Resort to name a few).
Once they get there games sorted out they should concentrate on catching up with technology. Built in HDD, GOOD online play, decent graphics and maybe by the time Wii 5 comes out they'll add a DVD player...Maybe.
I was listing AAA title not title which require skill or even titles that appeal to everyone.
A HDD would be good (but adds cost) however the new SD functionality which adds SDHC support (long overdue but better late than never) is perfectly good enough for now. The online play is excellent and pretty much lag free although the execution of the friend codes is utter rubbish. Why do I want my games console to play dvds? I did not use my Playstation to play CDs or my PS2 to play DVDs. If it does it and does not add complexity or cost then fine but don't add cost by adding non gaming functionality to my gaming device. And give the graphics a rest, true gamers are primarily interested in gameplay, graphics are just an added bonus (although admittedly in a small number of cases graphics can aid the gameplay). Plus the games are there and the motion controls (especially with the motion plus) are getting better and better. In fact Grand Slam Tennis is probably the best tennis game I have ever played (although there is still room for improvement) and New super mario bros looks like it is going to be fantastic.
"I can see your point, but I am more interested in gameplay than graphics. The fact that the PS3 and 360 are so closely matched and have the same cross platform games is one of the reasons I have not yet bought a PS3. I want my consoles to offer something different otherwise there is not much point in having more than one." -----------------
It's not only graphics but the power behind what supports them. Little Big Planet would be great on the Wii but in theory, the console wouldn't be able to handle the game and a lot of its charm is in the graphics, not to mention the vast memory and processors needed to hold the games content.
Looking at this gen, even with the graphics vs gameplay element taken into consideration, Wii owners won't experience the cross platform games such as Alien vs Predator, Boarderlands, Crysis, Rage, the new Final Fantasy etc etc.
I feel that by cutting costs and making a less powerful console, Nintendo are limiting users to some great titles (titles that could make the format increase its gaming catalogue) by not competing on the same level of processing power as Sony and Microsoft's machines.
Another concern Nintendo need to consider is with the release of Sony's Motion Controls and Microsoft's Natal, the higher spec platforms will be able to compete with the same kind of games featured on Nintendo's Wii and Nintendo would be deluding themselves by considering their next machine would be cheaper.
Point here being I suppose would be to suggest that if Nintendo released the Wii with a joypad rather than motion controls against PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, it would've sank below the tide of mainstream games. I feel its revolutionary Wii controls saved the Wii and allowed users to play games unlike anything before (I loved Wii Sports) "BUT" (and I can't stress this strongly enough) it won't have the same motion controller advantage next gen, so to sum it up …
to make a machine that wont compete with the new PS and Xbox spec wise and cutting out cross gen games and not having the motion controller advantage would be absolute commercial suicide.
"I can see your point, but I am more interested in gameplay than graphics. The fact that the PS3 and 360 are so closely matched and have the same cross platform games is one of the reasons I have not yet bought a PS3. I want my consoles to offer something different otherwise there is not much point in having more than one." -----------------
It's not only graphics but the power behind what supports them. Little Big Planet would be great on the Wii but in theory, the console wouldn't be able to handle the game and a lot of its charm is in the graphics, not to mention the vast memory and processors needed to hold the games content.
Looking at this gen, even with the graphics vs gameplay element taken into consideration, Wii owners won't experience the cross platform games such as Alien vs Predator, Boarderlands, Crysis, Rage, the new Final Fantasy etc etc.
I feel that by cutting costs and making a less powerful console, Nintendo are limiting users to some great titles (titles that could make the format increase its gaming catalogue) by not competing on the same level of processing power as Sony and Microsoft's machines.
Another concern Nintendo need to consider is with the release of Sony's Motion Controls and Microsoft's Natal, the higher spec platforms will be able to compete with the same kind of games featured on Nintendo's Wii and Nintendo would be deluding themselves by considering their next machine would be cheaper.
Point here being I suppose would be to suggest that if Nintendo released the Wii with a joypad rather than motion controls against PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, it would've sank below the tide of mainstream games. I feel its revolutionary Wii controls saved the Wii and allowed users to play games unlike anything before (I loved Wii Sports) "BUT" (and I can't stress this strongly enough) it won't have the same motion controller advantage next gen, so to sum it up …
to make a machine that wont compete with the new PS and Xbox spec wise and cutting out cross gen games and not having the motion controller advantage would be absolute commercial suicide.
It's not only graphics but the power behind what supports them. Little Big Planet would be great on the Wii but in theory, the console wouldn't be able to handle the game and a lot of its charm is in the graphics, not to mention the vast memory and processors needed to hold the games content.
So what kind of magic are Sony using the make LBP on the PSP? Everyone that has played the PSP version has said it is every bit as good as its PS3 older brother. If the PSP can do it, then the Wii could do it easy.
I used to LOVE nintendo before you made crap like Wii Fit, Wii Music, Brian Training, Wario Ware, Mario Party 145, etc etc...those are not "games".
Give me a good Zelda game like OoT on N64 or even Wind Waker and stop releasing plastic crap with each new game then I'd respect Nintendo.
This post shows sheer pig ignorance! Wario Ware is fantastic fun (all versions) and to call it and some others in the list not a game is just looking for things to moan about. Have you ever properly tried any of the things you listed? I have and each brings some different to try. I've don't think I've ever laughed as much as playing Wii Music with my brother, sister and their partners. Just because they are something different and maybe aren't aimed at some traditional players doesn't mean they are crap. For me i like to enjoy as many different types of games as possible and try anything, not stay stuck in a little box of limited scope. And for the Record the Wii board is anything but cheap plastic, its solid and very accurate at what is does.
"So what kind of magic are Sony using the make LBP on the PSP? Everyone that has played the PSP version has said it is every bit as good as its PS3 older brother. If the PSP can do it, then the Wii could do it easy." ----------------
Well, the differences are apparent (graphics and content, multiplayer aspects, no third plain etc etc) and its not as accessible as its bigger brother. While the PSP verison of Little Big Planet would be compatible with the Wii (with k**bs on), the PS3 version wouldn't be.
Don't get me wrong, Im not slating the Wii, I just feel Nintendo missed a golden oppertunity to sink Sony and Microsoft by release the Wii at its current spec. Had it of competed spec wise with the PS3 and Xbox 360, all or most of those great cross platform titles would've been available on Wii and utilised its motion controls as well as Zelda, Metroid and Mario.
I think that this has also created a problem for Nintendo. With the release of Sonys own motion controls, Nintendo won't be able to offer exclusivity to comsumers who want to play games like Wii Sports and Wii Play as Sony will surely offer similar games. The advantage sony will have also is the bigger games i.e. Killzone 3, Last Guardian, God of War 3 (these are speculations of course) and cross gen games such as Crysis, Final Fantasy, Rage (all hypothetical examples of future games of course).
To take this to the following generation with a weaker machine would be rather silly as it limits the games available and with the competition like Sony offering similar services such as motion controls, taking away the Wii's obvious advantage, would be taking a hell of a risk and one which, no matter the price, would be an epic fail for Nintendo.
Ah the so called 'hardcore'. I love how they alway try and tell us that Call Of Duty and GTA4 are hardcore games. The amount of Advertising and raw sales figures say otherwise my friend. Either the amount of Hardcore gamers peaks and trough or they are about as Hardcore as wiifit. Which is also not a bad game.
did any of you nupties ever stop to think that maybe the reason why nintendos machines and games sell on them is becasue they are actually quite fun. I know its a mad idea.
Then again i'd agree with the earlier posts that say the wii has plenty of core games because it does.
My definition of a core game is something that actually tests your mind and your dexterity as well as taking a a good lot of practice to be any good at. Try collecting every last star in Mario Galaxy or getting all the swords in Muramasa in hard mode then come back and talk to me about hardcore games.
"I can see your point, but I am more interested in gameplay than graphics. The fact that the PS3 and 360 are so closely matched and have the same cross platform games is one of the reasons I have not yet bought a PS3. I want my consoles to offer something different otherwise there is not much point in having more than one." -----------------
It's not only graphics but the power behind what supports them. Little Big Planet would be great on the Wii but in theory, the console wouldn't be able to handle the game and a lot of its charm is in the graphics, not to mention the vast memory and processors needed to hold the games content.
Looking at this gen, even with the graphics vs gameplay element taken into consideration, Wii owners won't experience the cross platform games such as Alien vs Predator, Boarderlands, Crysis, Rage, the new Final Fantasy etc etc.
I feel that by cutting costs and making a less powerful console, Nintendo are limiting users to some great titles (titles that could make the format increase its gaming catalogue) by not competing on the same level of processing power as Sony and Microsoft's machines.
Another concern Nintendo need to consider is with the release of Sony's Motion Controls and Microsoft's Natal, the higher spec platforms will be able to compete with the same kind of games featured on Nintendo's Wii and Nintendo would be deluding themselves by considering their next machine would be cheaper.
Point here being I suppose would be to suggest that if Nintendo released the Wii with a joypad rather than motion controls against PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, it would've sank below the tide of mainstream games. I feel its revolutionary Wii controls saved the Wii and allowed users to play games unlike anything before (I loved Wii Sports) "BUT" (and I can't stress this strongly enough) it won't have the same motion controller advantage next gen, so to sum it up …
to make a machine that wont compete with the new PS and Xbox spec wise and cutting out cross gen games and not having the motion controller advantage would be absolute commercial suicide.
The charm of LBP is its gameplay! Without the gameplay it would be nothing but if it had the same gameplay and slightly worse graphics it would still be just as good as a game. If you are telling me that the wii is powerful enough to do Galaxy but not LBP then you are crazy. The only potential problem would be storage if you were buying tons of downloadable content and that is not a huge problem as 4GB sd cards are cheap as chips.
Also the wii was not saved by its motion controls, the motion controls are what it is all about. Nintendo took the view that there is a big problem with simply upping the power each generation and that increasing the power does not mean better games and I completely agree with them. The problem with increasing the machines power is that it becomes massively more costly to develop games for and the hardware costs a lot more for a relatively small gain in graphical improvement (ie PGR3 had more polygons in one car than PGR2 had in the whole game world yet did not look that much better. a wheel made up of 2000 polygons does not look massively better than one made of 200). Nintendo therefore looked to a more innovative route to change the way we play games. It has been very successful for them. They have not entirely changed the way we play games but they have made a big step and the others are so scared that they have rushed to develop their own versions of the controls. (Although I am not convinced Natal will be useful for controlling games and sonys system looks a little cumbersome at the moment). Again though It must be said that Nintendo have not said that their next system will be low power, the article is saying that they are looking to make the controllers more efficient and cheaper not the console.
Looking at this gen, even with the graphics vs gameplay element taken into consideration, Wii owners won't experience the cross platform games such as Alien vs Predator, Boarderlands, Crysis, Rage, the new Final Fantasy etc etc.
True, but there are also games on the wii that you can't experience on the ps3 and 360 matter of fact if you compare the consoles on exclusive games then the wii has more of them, games like No More Heroes and Madworld, and future releases such as silent hill:SM, Monster Hunter Tri and not to mention all the Nintendo ones as well.
Nintendo develop more games for their console than what Sony and MS do for theirs as they(Sony/MS) tend to publish them and rely mostly on second or third party devs for their big games. IF some big devs decided to jump ship and only develop for Nintendo(I know it's not likely) then Sony/MS would really struggle as their output of games isn't on the same level as Nintendo in terms of quantity and most importantly Quality.
"I can see your point, but I am more interested in gameplay than graphics. The fact that the PS3 and 360 are so closely matched and have the same cross platform games is one of the reasons I have not yet bought a PS3. I want my consoles to offer something different otherwise there is not much point in having more than one." -----------------
It's not only graphics but the power behind what supports them. Little Big Planet would be great on the Wii but in theory, the console wouldn't be able to handle the game and a lot of its charm is in the graphics, not to mention the vast memory and processors needed to hold the games content.
Looking at this gen, even with the graphics vs gameplay element taken into consideration, Wii owners won't experience the cross platform games such as Alien vs Predator, Boarderlands, Crysis, Rage, the new Final Fantasy etc etc.
I feel that by cutting costs and making a less powerful console, Nintendo are limiting users to some great titles (titles that could make the format increase its gaming catalogue) by not competing on the same level of processing power as Sony and Microsoft's machines.
Another concern Nintendo need to consider is with the release of Sony's Motion Controls and Microsoft's Natal, the higher spec platforms will be able to compete with the same kind of games featured on Nintendo's Wii and Nintendo would be deluding themselves by considering their next machine would be cheaper.
Point here being I suppose would be to suggest that if Nintendo released the Wii with a joypad rather than motion controls against PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, it would've sank below the tide of mainstream games. I feel its revolutionary Wii controls saved the Wii and allowed users to play games unlike anything before (I loved Wii Sports) "BUT" (and I can't stress this strongly enough) it won't have the same motion controller advantage next gen, so to sum it up …
to make a machine that wont compete with the new PS and Xbox spec wise and cutting out cross gen games and not having the motion controller advantage would be absolute commercial suicide.
The charm of LBP is its gameplay! Without the gameplay it would be nothing but if it had the same gameplay and slightly worse graphics it would still be just as good as a game. If you are telling me that the wii is powerful enough to do Galaxy but not LBP then you are crazy. The only potential problem would be storage if you were buying tons of downloadable content and that is not a huge problem as 4GB sd cards are cheap as chips.
Also the wii was not saved by its motion controls, the motion controls are what it is all about. Nintendo took the view that there is a big problem with simply upping the power each generation and that increasing the power does not mean better games and I completely agree with them. The problem with increasing the machines power is that it becomes massively more costly to develop games for and the hardware costs a lot more for a relatively small gain in graphical improvement (ie PGR3 had more polygons in one car than PGR2 had in the whole game world yet did not look that much better. a wheel made up of 2000 polygons does not look massively better than one made of 200). Nintendo therefore looked to a more innovative route to change the way we play games. It has been very successful for them. They have not entirely changed the way we play games but they have made a big step and the others are so scared that they have rushed to develop their own versions of the controls. (Although I am not convinced Natal will be useful for controlling games and sonys system looks a little cumbersome at the moment). Again though It must be said that Nintendo have not said that their next system will be low power, the article is saying that they are looking to make the controllers more efficient and cheaper not the console.
I agree 100%. You have pretty much echoed my view that I have had over the past 2 years or so. I'd give you a hug but you would probably punch me in the nose
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