Share this article: Digg.comFacebookGoogle BookmarksN4GGamerblipsdel.icio.usRedditSlashdot.orgStumbleUpon i bid farwell to fair kenntuck the place were i was born and raised So let me get this straight. An apparent FLAWLESS game gets 10/10. It gets tweaked and refined to make it EVEN BETTER, and it gets a deducted score!?
WTF CVG?
In my opinion, there is no such thing as a 10/10 game.
Never has been, never will be. If you can find a SINGLE flaw in any game, then it is not PERRRRRFECT!!!! ALA 10/10.
I can think of more than enough flaws with GTA IV.
I'd love to be biased and say, "yeah this game is the best etc bla bla bla" I could ALWAYS find a flaw in the game. FFVII is my all time favourite game. But it has its flaws.
Sort out your rating system CVG. and if you're going to a do, 9.x or 8.x etc out of 10 scoring system, just turn it into percentages.
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Letting every nerd have his say. I'll probably acquire this at some point, but which peripheral is better to play with, the keyboard or the 360 pad? Yes that gamesave is worth **** all now. I just want to inform everyone here that is looking into purchasing the PC version of this game to think twice. Based on various users with various PC builds, this game just is horribly unoptimized.
GTA4 PC performance
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344018
There is multiple evidence confirming that even on PC's that can run Crysis on its highest settings have difficulty running the GTA4 PC port. Whether you buy it or not is one issue, but the fact the review article here even fails to mention this problem is gross negligence on the reviewer and the site. Consumers should be informed properly. If you still don't believe this is an issue, STEAM is offering refunds right now for GTA4 due to its lack of performance.
Grand Theft Auto IV PC: Error Codes Explained, Steam Offering Refunds, Multiplayer Process Revealed
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/43353/Grand-Theft-Auto-IV-PC-Error-Codes-Explained-Steam-Offering-Refunds-Multiplayer-Process-Revealed
To the reviewer, please do a more thorough job next time reviewing the game. You are doing your audience a total disservice by not properly informing them. Once again the PC proves is superioty, once again the console fanboys will argue that it makes no difference anyway and rub dirt into their eyes to aviod looking at the game while its looking the way it was ment too. At thermoelectron:
You post that GTAIV needs better optimisation. Yet you're site that you have so kindly linked to states the number one reason as a crash of GTAIV as: RMN20 - Windows Vista: Need to have Service Pack 1 or higher to proceed.
Therefore, stop downloading Vista off of Pirate Bay or whatever, and enjoy the forthcoming product. *Sigh*
Once again ANOTHER official review that completely misses the factor of this being a horrible port because they ALWAYS play the game on their best rig and thus don't truly realise how shocking the optimisation really was.
Seriously, I got this a couple of days ago, and it is virtually unplayable. Aside from graphical glitches and the horrid Windows LIVE and Rockstar Social Club BS you have to put up with before even starting the game whether you want to even play multiplayer or not, on the lowest settings at an 800x600 resolution, this game still has problems.
This is on a machine that can play Oblivion, The Witcher, Mass Effect and Gears of War at a decent resolution with everything maxed, and Fallout 3 with only AA needing to be turned down. It can play those games at a level that far exceeds that of the console versions graphically, yet can't play even a shitty, graphically-worse-than-GTA:SA version without chugging.
It can even play Crysis on low settings well and it still looks better than GTA IV with everything turned down. Hell, GTA IV apparently doesn't even USE anti-aliasing, yet still runs like a dog even on a machine that can handle Crysis well from what I've read.
Pure and simple, new additions such as the multiplayer and Independence FM and the graphical overhaul, this really is a terrible, lazy and unoptimized conversion from Rockstar. Yet I've yet to see an offical PC review say anything other than how great it is, despite this glaring fact that there are better looking games already on the PC that run with 10x the efficency.
And, again, that's not even going into all the BS you have to deal with regarding Windows LIVE and Rockstar Games Social Club.
I don't usually use this term, but honestly... Rockstar... EPIC FAIL! to: Steve
I believe you misread the article. There is no rank of errors. It merely lists what those mean in no particular order. But the main reason I linked that article is b/c it states that STEAM is offering refunds on a case by case basis for those who bought GTA4 PC off STEAM. The first link is what's even more important b/c on top of the error codes that people are receiving, the performance that people are reporting with their various gaming setups suggest that not only does the game not scale well for low end machines, but also high end machines are having general perfomance issues (I'm talking about performance issues such as low framerates with less than high settings and no AA on expensive PC's).
My complaint is 2 fold. 1) Rockstar arguably did a horrible job porting this game. I was planning on double dipping for the PC version as I had already bought it on the console in order to experience the better multiplayer (32 people matches sounded really awesome). But after hearing this, I will be passing on this product as the hardware requirements for the experience is ludicrously high. 2) @ CVG, whoever did the review for this game, dropped the ball. Your job is to evaluate the product and give the consumer as much information as possible in order to make an educated decision on whether to purchase said game or not. Leaving out these flaws is a huge oversight on your part. Not in one sentence of the review did you ever mention that performance issues exist. Hopefully the next time you guys review a high profile game, you'll be more thorough. All the comments about poor performance are correct. I have a pretty powerful PC with a Quad core processor running at 3GHz, 4Gb RAM and a 280 series Nvidia graphics card with 1Gb VRAM yet GTAIV will only run properly on medium settings. Using the Auto Configure option during set-up puts my system to High mode and this runs awfully. Terrible framerate that stutters all over the place. It needs a pretty hefty patch and SOON. So beware. I agree that most of the high profile magazines and sites reviewing this game fail to mention just how poorly the game runs. Shame on them all. ANOTHER BULL$HIT REVIEW same crap on IGN, they gave it 9.2 but reader average is 4.5!!!!!!!! FOR A PROPER REVIEW SEE - http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2008/12/04/grand-theft-auto-iv-pc/1
This game is a total stinker, nad most likely cant be saved by several patches - the game runs like total crap( most decent rigs can only get 20-25FPS ) no matter how many £1000's you spend on your PC. A PC thats 10 times more powerful than an xbox 360 can only manage 20-30FPS!!!! If you want to play with anyway decent framerates you NEED an intel Q9XX0 quad core and an nivdia 280 or 4870X2 - the game is completely bug ridden, unplayable for most with missing textures, and very regular crashes - to run the game you have to have the following running: Games For Windows Live Rockstar Social Club( even installs itself as a tray icon grrrrr ) Steam( for those that got the steam version ) - Theres no bloody AA - Contains stupid DRM
AVOID LIKE THE ABSOLUTE PLAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is one of the worst conversions ever made, should have been scrapped, most likely its running on an xbox360 emulator on the PC lol Sounds like bad luck to me. If the bugs were that noticable on top-end equipment, a review would mention it somewhere.
I'm guessing the biggest problem is the system specs. Remember, minimum system requirements are what it will load on, not what it's possible to play on. And even the recommended should be taken with a grain of salt, since that doesn't take into account any background tasks you have running, or fragmented disk space. not really, from the Kana and Lynch review scandel it was exposed what mags etc. will do for early reviews etc. so its in their interest to give high scores.
Steam are handing out refunds pretty much for the first game/time ever!!!!!
Look at this review which at least is truthful - http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2008/12/04/grand-theft-auto-iv-pc/1
even hit the headlines - http://kotaku.com/5101687/grand-theft-auto-iv-on-pc-is-a-little-broken THAT REVIEW IS A TOTAL DISGRACE, MAYBE YOU SHOULD ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME NEXT TIME!!!!!!!!!!! It may look better, but PC owners have had to wait over 6 months and spend an awful lot more money than I did to play the game.
I look at it this way - it's saved me a whole mortgage payment playing it on the 360, and I've still played it before you!
That said, money, comfort and release-dates aside, the additions do look quite nice. I can confirm that the performance of GTA IV on PC is terrible, and also it's strange that no PC publication has made mention of this.
On my current rig, I average about 30 to 40fps at 1680x1050 with settings on medium and high, and draw distances scaled down.
There is quite an uproar on the Steam forums and other GTA Forums; this problem is not an isolated incident: everyone is experiencing bad performance to some degree.
Also worth note, to play online, you need not one, but two online accounts, a Game For Windows - LIVE account AND a Rockstar Social Club account. Furthermore, even if you aren't interested in multiplayer, you still need to set up a Game For Windows - LIVE account just to save your progress, and must log into the account thereafter when saving and loading.
The Game also includes the controversial (and un-uninstallable) SecuROM protection, though with unlimited reinstalls.
Hopefully Rockstar will fix this (specifically the poor performance) asap. Perhaps Nvidia and ATI will release drivers to increase performance as well.
All in all, it's still a good game, but not well optimised. The bottleneck seems to be the processor clockspeed of most PCs. I have a quad-core 2.4ghz and it struggles. There's only one way to find out . . . FIGHT!
:lol: Wow.....this game scored high despite the multiplayer on LIVE being horrendous, mass compatibility issues and optimisation issues, the lack of decent FUN to be had in the game, and a broken physics set that will happily see you spin up into the air just for hitting a kerb. Yeah.....real great game.
The real reason this got such a high score is because the rteviewer has a MASS hardon for the game, he called it the 'game of the generation' which is an absolute fallacy. It does less reviewing, and more gushing praise from on high; however, the sad sad truth is that the reviewer spends no time explaining anything techincal about the game (Such as SecuROM.) and spends the whole thing celebrating the existance of GTA. That's all well and good for an ARTICLE, but this is a REVIEW and needs to have the FACTS and not simply conjecturous opinion. dude your pc is crap...if u cant play crysis maxed out...get up to speed to total noob..the only person who fails is you...because u live in the past..yeah your system might of been good last year..but those games u can play max are seriously old.. go back to pc world and update your advent 30000 pc :) I have 2 x HD 4870's. GTA IV only picks up one of them. So I have to run the game with one card.
Even with one card the game should look a lot better than it does. When shadows are csat in the game they are blotchy and look awful. The cars dont render correctly, lots of jagged edges, even at top resolutions and high settings. The city looks dirty, the graphics are so bad.
I am bitterly dissapointed. Again... for those slagging other gamer's PC specs off... this game runs BADLY. I have an Alienware PC and it's powerful enough to play Crysis and Crysis Warhead on MAX settings yet will only get a half decent framerate on GTA IV with Medium settings. Very, very disappointing. When I tried the Auto Configure option the game ran like a pig and at points became a slideshow. It needs massive optimisation. Will we get it? Who knows... but the main concern is that hardly ANY of the 'Big' reviewers eg IGN, CVG mentioned the poor performance. Lol sorry reading my post back it sounded rather arrogant. Ill be laying off the stella for a while. I didnt particuallary miss GTA 4 when it was released on console as i had a whole ream of other games to play/look forward to. even before this optimisation problem i had no intewnt to buy this game anyway- i just like to say good things about the pc as no one else seems too ;) Likewise to most of the posts I've got a pc that will play mass effect, crysis, fallout3, farcry2 etc all on max settings and yet GTA runs like a slideshow...not impressed. really looked forward to the game but will have to wait for a patch i think. I have an Asus p5k premium (awesomely fast motherboard)q6600 processor, 4gb pc6400 corsair xms2 dominator, 8800 GTS 512 superclocked.
MY settings are : 1440x900 75hz texture: medium rendering: highest view distance: 70 detail distance: 70 Vehicle density: 100 shadows: 6
I've benchmarked at 30.7fps on my rig. And it looks way, WAY better than the console versions (which seem to run at 20-28fps) I can see why people are pissed of, but give it time!
I also have to admit that 30.7fps is slow considering it should be outputting probably an average of 30fps more at these settings - this game should be knowwhere near as demanding as crysis! (I run crysis on ultra high xp at 28-38fps @ 1280x768) I think rockstar will have sorted out most of the issues with their first patch - hopefully.
I also updated to netframework 3.5 and the latest nvidia drivers. ***Edit - Running @ 1680x1050
I will try and keep this short. Weds morning @ 10am the postman came with GTA4. Sys specs are -
Phenom X4 2.4ghz (not overclocked) XFX GF9800GTX 512mb ram 4gb DDR2
Rest isnt really important to a game apart from the fact Im running XP media center w/SP3.
OK. Installed the game. Took about 40 mins. Set up the social club app, went ok. Tried to set up Live, failed. Went to live site to register a ID, site down. Five hours later I managed to get a live ID (because you cant save the sodding game without one) and tried to log in. Got this message -
"An update for Live is now available, if you choose not to install it you will not be able to continue" which is just frankly utterly rude. Decided it was better to install this bloatware, failed, game exited. Tried again, same thing.
Finally I had to download the update from a 3rd party site, installed it and ran the game. Every time the screen progressed it would say "cannot connect to Live server" In the end the game froze and I lost 4 hours of play..
The fact it DOES NOT EVEN HAVE FSAA and Anistropic is just baffling. THIS IS A PC GAME FGS !!! You can't even force it using the Nvidia control panel. Utterly leaves me lost for words.
However, I must say that on my rig it does run very well :lol: And that's probably because the reccomended specs are -
Phenom X3 (the shite one) 2.1ghz Intel Quad core 2.4ghz
Nvidia XXXXX which is really weird. As fanboys know, it's usually Intel+Nvidia or AMD+ATI (one of the same) so I guess me being cheap and buying a phenom (already have a dual core intel for other stuff and wanted 4 cores this time) was just luck.
I have most set just above medium and get about 35fps. No texture issues, no slowdown and none of this flickering.
I do agree though that they simply should not release games that seem to have just passed the alpha stage into beta. Its most rude. At least I only paid 25 quid for it from Amazon and can play it. BTW Can anyone say Driv3r? I'm not sure about everyone else, but my framerate doesn't drastically (like, not even 5fps difference) change between 800*600 and 1680*1050. This either means a) the engine cannot scale very well or b) Processors are the main bottleneck -- I'm leaning towards B.
Regardless, Rockstar are now starting to respond to consumer complaints. Nvidia has released a driver; an AIT driver is slated for release on the 10th (Wednesday), there's also a dedicated forum for tech support.
Here's a thread started by Rockstar Toronto.
and here's a dedicated tech support thread for PC related issues.
I'm about 20% of the way through GTA IV. Thankfully, apart from the downright riddiculous installing and jumping through hoops (such as creating a GFWL account just to save), I'm still enjoying it, it's just this crap sort of mars (sp?) the experience somewhat. What I hate the most in this game is that I could not save ANY progress in single player mode without signing up for Windows Live. It says that these "services", such as Live and the Social Club, are only required for multiplayer mode. They lie on the box and again during the install.
SecuROM, with or without "teeth," is always to the detriment of honest consumers. So you have to agree to a "totalitarian" Windows Live and Rockstar Social Club. That is frankly unacceptable by any standard.
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