UK rejects Argentine decision regarding Falklands’ shipping
The United Kingdom presented Wednesday a note verbale firmly rejecting the Argentine government’s recent decisions which imposes the request of official authorization for shipping to and from Argentina, the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands.
According to the text of the note presented to Argentina’s Chargé D’affairs in London, UK considers that Argentine Presidential Decree 256/2010 and Disposition 14/2010 “are not complaint with International Law including the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea”.
Furthermore the UK in the note not only reaffirms sovereignty over the Falklands and South Atlantic islands, but has “no doubt that the surrounding maritime areas of the Falkland Islands, and South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands are not Argentine jurisdictional waters”.
Earlier this year to protest the current round of oil exploration in Falklands’ waters, the Argentine government decreed that all vessels sailing to and from Argentina, the Falklands, South Georgia and South Sandwich islands must request a previous authorization from the Argentine government. The implementation of the decree was left to the Argentine Coast Guard.
In the note London reminds the Argentine government that under International Law and the UN Convention of the Law of the Sea, “ships of all States enjoy the right of innocent passage through territorial waters and freedom of navigation in the waters beyond the territorial sea”.
With respect to the Straits of Magellan the UK note recalls that “the rights of international shipping to navigate these waters expeditiously and without obstacle are affirmed in the 1984 Treaty of Peace and Friendship between Chile and Argentina with respect to the Straits of Magellan”.
Article 10 of the Treaty of Magellan further provides “The Argentine Republic undertakes to maintain, at any time and in whatever circumstances, the right of ships of all flags to navigate expeditiously and without obstacles through its jurisdictional waters to and from the Strait of Magellan”.
In diplomatic jargon a note verbale is described as a communication prepared in the third person and unsigned: less formal than a note but more formal than an aide-mémoire.
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It is becoming quite clear that all these machinations are for domestic rather than international consumption.
In the Falklands war we were unprepared, this time we are fully ready to strike ships via aircraft or submarine. given our pull out of Afghanistan most of the navy is free to use.
Piracy was the fiery cannon attack in late 1831 on the Argentine Malvinas' stations by US Pirate Captain Silas Duncan commanding the pirate ship USS Lexington, that destroyed Argentine installations and then took prisoners as many as gauchos as they managed to capture.
These illegal actions lead the way for the English to set foot on the archipelago the next year and grab it until now...
The so called British Overseas Territories are nothing but the result of sheer piracy, and disrespect to International Law.
England cannot thus expect others to abide by the same laws that their subjects flagrantly disobey.
And one for yourself...
Cheers!
And also most of the 'Argentines' remained on the islands for years.
Argentina can keep making up lies to support their weak claim, it wont work. And it is amusing to read Argentine comments on UK's economic state, while Argentina continues to free fall. Once a cuper power with masses of fertile land, now a country with a reputation of mismanagement, corruption and lies.
You Argentines were still conquistando the desierto and the chaco in the late 1800s. Good grief, Argentina didn't even get the chaco properly pacified until the early 1900s. You were still shooting up indígenas in the 1920s (Napalpí), so to apply the standards of then to today is simply ridiculous. It's more than a bit hypocritical to attempt at claiming the moral high ground now because of what Britain did nearly 180 years ago - especially since you lived by exactly the same standards then and even later.
In this UN age, it is self determination is what counts now above all else. It trumps everything. That is unambiguous in the international law which applies, and has been made crystal clear by the UN. It's time for Argentina to get over this and move on.
Now, the question you have to ask yourselves is this. What is the size of the current British naval force in the South Atlantic? There are probably 2 vessels that you know about. But how many don't you know about? How many Fleet (hunter/killer) submarines? How many SSBNs?
I suggest you behave yourselves.
Meaning that they could be in Rio and still take potshots at BA
In 1831 Captain Silas M. Duncan was ordered to sail to Falkand Islands.
When he arrived he liberated 4 American fishing ships, which had been captured and PLUNDERED.
The reason for his mission was : A band of pirates was operating from the islands
He didn`t kill anyone. He charged 7 of them with PIRACY and sent them to Buenos Aires (among them Vernet).
Argie: The internet is full of informations from many different sources about Silas m Duncan/Lexington and his life and work/operations.
He was sent to chase/hunt pirates and succeded. So when you call him a pirate, i prefer to think it is humouristic meant.... Otherwise i feel sorry for you.
- You ignorant squatter, Argentina is a country since 1810, or if you like 1816, so Argentina was a country in 1833 when you invaded!!!
You know nothing about what's going on in Argentine economy. You'll be like cubans swimming to reach the coast in future!!!! Be careful with your stupid comments!
Self-determination of islanders is crap!!!!!!
Give up bloody pirates!!!
On the other hand, we are not afraid of British power nor of her gunboat diplomacy, which reminds me of the song Britain Waives the Rules. We also have allies.
What are the British doing in Afghanistan, by the way?
Why is it that you are not fighting China? Save the US or Russia no other country is currently more capable of making arms for massive destruction.
Or you prefer to duck away and instead scare countries whose war material and military forces are inferior to yours?
Come off it, will you. That's something we'd expect from Nazi Germany, not from Britain.
So does Britain, The difference is that we wouldn't rely on them.
What are the British doing in Afghanistan, by the way?
In 9/11 we lost about 500 British lives. Also there were the the London underground bombings.
What not a lot of people know is that MI5, with the help of the SAS stopped a much larger scale version of 9/11 years before 9/11 even happened. which is why after 9/11 the ONLY flight which was allowed into the US was a British plane with MI5 agents abord.
Only a 4
Britain does not tolerate terrorist attacks on her soil.
Facts, Argie, Facts !
Oh yes we do ... I'm in BA... I read your papers.. I shop in your shops... your economy is stuffed... your leaders are corrupt...
and lets not forget the clearance paper I had from the Prefectura in Mar del Plata 3 weeks ago... 'when leaving Argentinian waters.. ie when arriving in Punta del Este , Punta Arenas or the Malvinas....'
at least they are realists.......
Are we going again trough all this crap about the BGM109 Tomahawk, Polaris, Trident 52 Kilotons nuclear power and the arrow of Elizabeth II.
If we have a really serious confrontation and even though you would be absolutely right that we don’t have even a gram of AMO.
Argentina in a week will rearm its self from several sources that you cannot control or have any influence like China, Russia and others.
Can you send me Mr. Mendeleiev some fast delivery please:
50 Su-35BM
200 missiles medium range
10 Intercontinental ballistic (just in case Brits Bobos think to go nuclear)
10.000 AK 47 and amo
5 nuclear sub
How much 20bn ok would you like payment in cash or check.
Bay, bay Royal Navy fleet, Windsor Castle and F@land Islands.
That’s it.
You might be able to source kit from Russia and China but even they will expect you to pay for it - and you don't have any money...
America is notorious for now allowing Russia or china any influence in south America. they would come down on your nation like nothing you would believe, not because of Britain, but because Russian equipment is being shipped within close range to American territory.
Plus, 20 billion? that will only take your military about 25 years to afford that.
British current defense spending is 30 times more than yours.
and if you think Britain does not have influence then you are wrong, the royal navy is the second most powerful navy in the world. one of only three blue water navy's in the world(that means we can project power anywhere, falklands are a prime example of this).
The Russian navy is in bits, i wouldn't trust their equipment.
1- Like US did when the Russian shipped Suhoi, missiles, Helicopters, AK 47, AMO, etc. to Venezuela?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfMjlEE-dIE&feature=related
2- There is not country in the world with influence over Argentina, you should be thinking about Britain.
3- UK defense expenditure is 480bn (year) a scam for the result UK gets and the army that has, I think someone is cheating the poor Brits.
And budget and spending is not equal to have a good Military Force in fat most of this budget goes to contractors like UK’s BAE Systems. Is the only winner here I guess.
UK’s Army is today class B type in the world and in the next years with the cuts will suffer will become class C. UK will not be able to defend itself from Zimbabwe in the future.
4- If the RN is the 2nd most powerful navy in the world and closer ally of US and have so many influence in the world, etc.
Can you tell me how UK lost 3 wars against Argentina and was close to loose 4.
And why both could not take control over Iraq and also both are loosing in Afghanistan a poor country that cannot afford to buy food or has a proper army?
Or Argentina is military superpower or you live in Disneyland in a complete state of denial.
Think about it, someone is cheating you like with your economy.
Regards,
Really? yet Britain holds the islands you claim so dearly. that's influence.
3- UK defense expenditure is 480bn (year) a scam for the result UK gets and the army that has, I think someone is cheating the poor Brits.
Actually, it's 60 billion a year.
And budget and spending is not equal to have a good Military Force in fat most of this budget goes to contractors like UK’s BAE Systems. Is the only winner here I guess.
Wrong, infact BAE have often discussed leaving the UK because they do not get sole ownership of military deals.
Also, the British military are considered the the best trained military on the planet, the SAS are the role model for 90% of the worlds special forces.
The SAS trained your military 10 years before the falklands war.
UK’s Army is today class B type in the world and in the next years with the cuts will suffer will become class C. UK will not be able to defend itself from Zimbabwe in the future.
Class b? The British military is one of the most advanced military's in the world. if you are classing this by numbers, you would do well to note that even when the British empire controlled 1/4th of the entire world, we had the smallest land army of all nations. thats how we work.
And why both could not take control over Iraq and also both are loosing in Afghanistan a poor country that cannot afford to buy food or has a proper army?
If you spent any time looking into the situation you would know this for yourself, america is the current superpower of the world, and they are having trouble in iraq, do you think any other nation would do better? of course not.
We are always playing Away, you are always at Home .... of course we don't have to worry about the turf!
1- “Really? yet Britain holds the islands you claim so dearly. that's influence.”
Thank you very much indeed, by your recognition that the Islands are territories owned legally by Argentina.
But this is not influence, the Egyptian took control by force of you Suez channel and Anglo-French companies by force and kept them until now.
So Egypt has influence over UK?
2- You are right here I mean 48bn as is 2.4% of your GDP my mistake with the “0”.
3-“Wrong, infact BAE have often discussed leaving the UK because they do not get sole ownership of military deals” really we call this lobby to avoid cuts in defense expending.
4- “The SAS trained your military 10 years before the falklands war”
Do you mean these guys en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Marine_Corps?
These guys en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphibious_Commandos_Group
These ones may be?
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We have so many tactics especial groups like SAS you got only five, I would like to know who your were training, really. Any link please?
Never said that, read it again. I said we have something you claim, not something you own.
So Egypt has influence over UK?
No actually, it was America who threatened to flood the market with the pound, dropping it's value, so we was forced to do as the Americans wanted.
America had influence over the UK.
We have so many tactics especial groups like SAS you got only five, I would like to know who your were training, really. Any link please?
Yeah, but how good are they, really? it's possible that they trained most of them. The SAS are considered the best in the world, they help train a lot of troops.
Thank you very much indeed, by your recognition that the Islands are territories owned legally by Argentina.
Does the word Claim translate as Ownership in Spanish then? This does appear to be how Argentines seem to translate it. I have Claimed that so I own it!!!
Its truely pathetic. Like a five year old seeing a toy someone else has and screaming, MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! and throwing a tantram.
As to the Suez Cannal and Eygpt having influence over the UK, your understanding of the issues here is clearly limited.
Britain had just fought a 2nd world war that had all but bankrupted its Empire. We were heavily in debt to America, and it was America that used their influence, i.e. pull out or we call in our loans, to make Britain end the Seuz operation.
Seriously Nicodin read up on the history of Suez incident before you comment. Was there nothing on YouTube for you to use?
Britons are nothing..
Dutchs and Russians all have manipulated them throughout history ...
1- “Never said that, read it again. I said we have something you claim, not something you own”
I know perfectly what you said and implies 2 things or we are the legal owners or we have much influence over UK and others countries that support us and also that we had invaded Britain. Did we?
What of these is your acceptable answer mate?
If you consider that the Island are part of UK, so we had invade UK is that simply my friend.
If you don’t consider part of UK that means that is some else territory let’s say our territory.
2- “So Egypt has influence over UK?” is the same example they still hold those assets and get away with it. These are the facts and to make my point US could not stop us to retake the Island in 1982 way could with Britain? Are you so weak?
3-“America had influence over the UK” I know but not over us we don’t care about US and if they plunge whatever they want. The real fact was the US president call your PM and said in polite way “we gonna rule now we own you and we don’t want to mess up with the Russian, get it?”
4- “Yeah, but how good are they, really?” As good to retake the Island from you with 84 tactical Buzos, that was the special force that made surrendered your RM. The rest of the troops came 2 hours later as they were in the sea.
“# B. 23:00 1 April - The first group of 84 men lands on an unnamed beach at Lake Point. The group splits into a smaller force led by Lieutenant-Commander Giachino which heads towards Government House, and a larger force commanded by Lieutenant-Commander Sabarots which heads towards Moody Brook barracks.
# C. 04:30 2 April - A small advanced team of the Tactical Divers Group is landed undetected from the Submarine... .
# D. 05:30 2 April - Lieutenant-Commander Sabarots' force reaches and surrounds the barracks. They throw tear gas grenades into the buildings and storm the buildings with heavy machine gun fire...
wapedia.mobi/en/1982_invasion_of_the_Falkland_Islands?t=8.
Regards,
US could not stop us to retake the Island in 1982
They never tried? They offered to help as the US officers thought it to be an impossibility to retake territory so far from home, but we refused the help. We wanted to show that we could do this by ourselves.
84 tactical Buzos - LOL yeah, this grand force who bravely stormed the base. Bullet holes in the walls, tear gas used...the base was empty, what were they shooting?
Even the tale of how the RM surrender shows how terrible your military was. You lost an APC and your commander died along with a few of his men.
THEN, after the RM's surrendered, two of your men came out of their hiding place(not knowing the surrender had happened), after hearing gunfire they dropped their arms and surrendered, the first prisoners of war in the Falklands conflict were two Argentinian men who surrendered to a group of RM who had already surrendered, lmao.
Much as though you may feel the term pirate is appropriate, the vessel in question in was a US warship under orders from it's respective government to defend what it reckoned to be it's own citizens under attack, now you would whole heatedly agree that any government has a duty to defend it's own citizens regardless? I give you pretty accurate to the date reports by Silas Duncan: www.ussduncan.org/silas_page13.htm I would kindly ask that you study them before offhandley dismissing anyone and anything who against Argentina in any manner as a Pirate.
As for sheer piracy in all other British overseas territories I see that you are attempting to apply todays standards to yesterdays action, whether you find it morally repulsive or not that was the order of the day back then, harsh though it was colonialism and might is right was the norm of the day, human nature changes better of for worst it would not be too unreasonable to assume that 100 years our descendants shall remark in disgust and ridicule at some early 21st century political concept, thought or action.
To condemn every British overseas territory as some act of piracy is to condemn your own fortune of existence, it was by no act of friendship or diplomacy that some of the worlds earliest and first cultures fell victim to Spanish rule, and thus allowed for the predominately European societies to emerge in the America's.
My point being , is that we should not rectify every action or event because we feel it is appropriate, much as though I try to see the Argentine viewpoint, I feel that there is something morally repugnant about trying to deny nationhood and national rights to a people who have existed for 180 years for what I see as no more than an attempt to right a slight to national ego.....
Your call for moral action counts nothing here as never counts, where is the moral of UK when invading Iraq (this is in modern time not 100 yeas ago) and Afghanistan?.
So don’t be hypocrite and lets face the reality the ability to defend your self is the rule in the world else we should be under the boot of US, UK, Spain, etc. or you should be under our boot. Who knows?
Britain appeals to morality and law when its has not the ability to defend itself or pursuits it will.
“people who have existed for 180 years for what I see as no more than an attempt to right a slight to national ego”
Iraqis have been from the times of Sumeria (the oldest civilization in the world) there and you didn’t care at all so why should will for 180 years?
So whatever you say make the point of the Islander weaker, can you see?
Moral is something that you never got in UK and especially in your Region Scotland when during the industrial revolution you were using children in your factories were 30% of them ended up with member looses and Arm amputations.
And you want to teach us about your high moral standard mate?
Please choose another subject because in this you don’t qualify by any mean.
Regards,
How many babies were stolen and given to others while their parents were murdered?
The Falklands should not be discussed with any sense of moral superiority - to do so makes you look silly.
Thank you for your completely off hand diatribe, that was not directed at yourself,
We are not talking about Iraq or Afghanistan, please do try to stick to the argument rather than branching out to different issues in an attempt to somehow demean British moral arguments in to tacitly justify Argentina’s morally incorrect ambitions for the islands, debating gets wholly tedious otherwise and turns into a mud slinging match with each side dredging up historical examples of morally questionable actions to try and demean the others arguments.
“The rule of the world is the ability to defend yourself” you seem to be alluding that world events are governed by that now defunct theory called realism? The concept that attempted to explain the apparent anarchy of International relations, if this concept had any relevance, why does Argentina you need to rely on other south American countries to support it’s claim to the islands? Or indeed trying to explain why countries embark upon UN humanitarian projects with zero benefits to themselves? In fact the whole existence of the UN calls into question “The rule of the world is the ability to defend yourself”.
As for your smear with reference to Lanarkshire, look at my argument again, and thanks for proving that you are judging past historical action with an arrogant sense of moral righteousness in an attempt to cancel out the massive moral flaws of your argument in relation to the Falklanders which fail utterly by todays standards. Life was brutal and short back in those times boo hoo, I do not see you offering any constructive criticism of how Argentina became a majority white European state in a continent previously populated by dark skinned dark haired indigenous cultures?
I fail to see how your appeal to past historical injustices somehow equals denying basic human rights to the Islanders, or even how it makes my arguments look weak?
In light of Argentina’s less than fluffy past and colonial origins not only does
I never claimed to be the moral award wining in anything.
On the contrary Mr. Rhaurie resort to this.
And by the way what moral has your UK by sending troops to kill inicent people in the middle est or went started the wars of opium, or in Afghanistan, etc.?
So your moral sucks as the military from the junta
The difference between you and me is that I'm not Hypocrite and washed head like you Mr. Idlehands.
Your politician are corrupted as any other in the world at least we speak and recognize the fact openly while you are in eternal denial.
May be you find hard to recognize the truth.
When a society is free clash with the govt. especially like the type of govt. you have in Britain. The problem is that you are a docile society and can be pushed the cliff and while you govt. push you you sing God save the queen.
We do not do that even by force, so military junta has to use force to control the population you don't need that, your education was thought to do the job.
Your politicians & co wash your head since ever, your education is like that. See the Americans and you will have a mirror of you own British society.
regards,
Line 1 you claim not to make comments relating to morals and then in line 3 you start attacking our morals - and then 2 lines later call me a hypocrite!!!!!
The rest is just a childlike anti British rant.
NB What's a washed head? - other than a head that has been washed??
Afghanistan i believe we do have a right to be there, i don't quite get how you are comparing it to the Falklands because it's a completely different type of war. You wanted to take and keep the islands, we are merely trying to get rid of the terrorists, we aren't there to impost British rule.
We aren't at war with Iraq, we are at war with the terrorists.
our reasons? 9/11? the london underground bombings? the many many other terrorists attacks which have been stopped by MI5?
LegionNi, you being a brainwashed british should not talk about brainwashing of others, it makes you look like an idiot!!!!!!
1- “NicoDin, iraq was wrong, yes” ok good to hear that with start to understand each other.
2-“end i truly think we did a good thing for the iraqi's” no mate you just ruined your first statement.
This is pure British arrogance.
Let me show you please “well in the end was good for the British that Argentina’s air force sunk half of her fleet, this make them to see their failure and weakness in the air defense” what about some kind of thank you Argentina?
Have you got it?
You shouldn’t be there in the first place.
“Afghanistan...” the same you are there to size power and control over a strategic corridor Europa/Asia.
Zethe you cannot really believe all that lies from UK imperialist policy that had devastated Asia, Africa, Middle East, etc.
And why do you think terrorist attack you?
If your country bomb, mine, kill my fellows, etc. I personally will go to your country and I will kill your royal family, PM and what ever British target I get in my sight. What do you expect a greeting card from Buenos Aires?
If you don’t want to be the target of terrorist don’t involve your self in other countries business my best advice and it’s free.
Think about it
Regards,
Good advice ... Argentina should remember it when it tries to involve itself in Falklands business :-)
Coming from you Jorge that comment is just laugh out load funny.
You really should keep your noses out of Iranian business.
We would of sunk all off the Argie fleet if they had come out to play
Gotcha there
Let me show you please “well in the end was good for the British that Argentina’s air force sunk half of her fleet, this make them to see their failure and weakness in the air defense” what about some kind of thank you Argentina?
Sigh, Not British arrogance, America did most of the work.
You really don't understand about the outside world, do you? The british army TRAINED the iraq army, worked with them. The two wars were not against afghanistan and iraq(nations) they were against two terrorist organisations. We didn't kill Saddam Husein, we captured him and gave him to his people as a prisoner, THEY killed him.
I've admitted our reasons for going there were wrong, HOWEVER, we have given that country democracy over a evil dictator who used to rape and mass murder his people, that's a good thing.
He was convicted of crimes against humanity and sentenced to hang, by his own people.
If you don’t want to be the target of terrorist don’t involve your self in other countries business my best advice and it’s free.
Again, you fail to understand the outside world. 9/11 happened before the war's, so did the london underground bombing if im correct.
London was also the target for serveral large(one plot involved 7 planes in a 9/11 style attack) A few years before 9/11. But the secret service(m15) stopped them before they could do this. Which is why after 9/11 the only plane to enter the USA was a plane from london with m15 agents.
At the end of the day the United kingdom will not accept attacks on us, from anyone. We've proven this over and over in history.
You have gave me a wonderful Idea, why not to invade Britain to give some freedom and real democracy to UK?
Do you think that can we count on the Talibans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Iranis, North Korean, Vietnamese, Pakistanis, etc. to accomplish the job?
Anyway you are already invaded by the Pakistanis, Africans, Jamaican, Asian, etc. may be no force would be necessary.
Cheers,
We have one, The houses of parliament are the mother of parliaments, The empire helped to spread democracy through the world, and is currently the longest running parliament system in the world.
I have no doubt that your basis for that comment is because we have a queen, You know yourself that it's a cheap comment.
Many country's have a royal family but none of the royals run nations anymore. It shows our country's heritage and history.
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