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bibliogrump 08/04/2011 8:22:00 PM
Uh, actually she criticizes the movie for not being patriotic ENOUGH. Did you actually read the review, or do you just assume everything you see in the Voice is an excuse for you to get up on your soap-box?
The core of her argument against the film is that the original Captain America stood for something: American unity in the face of a serious fascist threat. She's upset, in part, because Marvel & the filmmakers watered down both the character and the conflict. It could've been a "bigger" movie that actually had something to say... but the filmmakers missed the opportunity.
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08/01/2011 11:40:00 PM
Getting upset about a multi-ethnic unit in a Captain America movie is like being upset that Hitler dies in a theater fire in Inglorious Basterds.
It's a comic movie, not a biopic! Historical detail!?!? Are you kidding me!?!?
What's your problem, lady?
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Marvel-Girl 07/31/2011 2:56:00 AM
What a joke. This movie was spectacular. Clearly you only went to the screening because you didn't see it when it was released with it's, as expected, post-credits clip and even a bonus avengers trailer. This movie had well placed humor and great action scenes not to mention it played to our emotions. I don't think you're fit to review comic book movies if you're saying it's not realistic. I didn't go watch Captain America for a history lesson I went for the side of altered reality I wish I could belong to.
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07/31/2011 1:24:00 AM
Since the magical cube never left the hands of Hydra it had no effect on the Holocaust. That wasn't Red Skull's agenda.
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zero 07/30/2011 4:39:00 AM
So, uh, your issue is that it's not patriotic or realistic enough? If so, those are ridiculous reasons to call this a bad film. Surprise, a comic book movie isn't touching on political ideologies (it did reference the propaganda though)
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Whadaway 07/28/2011 12:04:00 PM
This movie most certainly DOES have a post credits scene.
I didn't expect a reviewer from the Village Voice to like it. But, Did you really see this film?
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07/27/2011 11:48:00 PM
She's doing her job, and part of her job is reader feedback (even if it's crass or stupid). a waste of $15 is right! If you actually pay $15 for a movie ticket of any kind, you are watcing your money. I've paid maybe $12, at most, for a movie ticket. 3D is a crap gimmick.
Crap compared to the other Marvel Movies? Which one? Daredevil? Fantastic Four 2??
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Hspringer88 07/27/2011 8:13:00 PM
she's doing her job. all u pus#$es get over it. this movie was crap compared to the other marvel movies. see it at ur own risk of wasting 15 bucks
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Dking 07/26/2011 10:42:00 PM
Captain America does have a post- credit scene
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07/26/2011 5:58:00 PM
Why are those stupid toots posted below the comments? They add nothing of any purpose.
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Epyon346 07/26/2011 1:10:00 PM
I almost feel like you didn't really watch the movie. Especially since you specifically mention there not being a post-credits teaser (which there actually is, followed by an Avengers spot).
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07/25/2011 4:50:00 PM
I wonder how much money you're paid for the Metacritic score to be high. Oh, that's right, NONE. I don't know why one would be so invested in something like this.
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07/25/2011 4:41:00 PM
If everything was the Dark Knight, then The Dark Knight wouldn't be so special. Anyway, you can't get dark content from a guy who dresses up as a patriotic symbol like you can from a character whose parents died and his villains are basically all psychopaths.
I will say that Red Skull was underwrittern and he could have done more evil acts.
Chen Steve Rogers says "I don't want to kill anybody. I just hate bullies." You should've known what you were getting into.
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who cares? 07/25/2011 4:31:00 PM
Anonymous, unmoderated comments really advance the public discourse, don't they?
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Teresa Buckley 07/25/2011 11:05:00 AM
well... you sure burst my bubble, my grandson and I were planning on seeing it today, hope you know u just broke a five year old's heart ( he can read and was not at all happy with your portrayal of his hero. Shame on you... where is your sense of adventure? It's not like you believed it was real..... oh! wait a minute... u did, didn't you, that's why your shorts are in a knot. How sad... well, we're going to go (add to the price gouging debacle )eat lots of junk and have lots of fun, cause this is Captain America and I'm a grandma who enjoys her grandkids whatever the movie. Have a nice day!
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Archie Leech 07/25/2011 9:33:00 AM
Charming.
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Youfuckingcunt 07/25/2011 9:18:00 AM
You're dragging down this film's overall metacritic rating by being a fucking cunt. Fix the score now!
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Luke 07/25/2011 6:03:00 AM
I never said it needed more violence... It just needed more edge. I realize he's not Batman or Rorschach (I was referencing Watchmen, not 300), but this was simply meh. I would have given anything for some kind of artistic influence, and not just a Hollywood summer blockbuster ala Michael Bay.
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07/25/2011 2:02:00 AM
I know this movie had its problems, but there is SO much violence in this movie. Captain America is not Batman and he's not a spartan. Oh, BTW, there's more violence in Captain America than in The Dark Knight.
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Luke 07/25/2011 1:48:00 AM
Yeah, this movie was pretty bad. Evans makes a great Cap (in fact, all the acting was great), but the action was boring and poorly edited (though I give them credit for not overdoing the CGI), and the story was too formulaic to have any kind of real interest in. Hey Marvel, quit with the family friendly cartoon shit, and take notes from Nolan and Snyder.
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Some guy posting a comment 07/24/2011 11:55:00 PM
People still listen to movie critics in 2011? I had no idea. Guess you learn something new everyday.
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07/24/2011 9:18:00 PM
Hmm. Yeah, it's pretty family friendly, even considering the violence. Still, there's a "blood spray" scene that's kinda harsh.
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Williamwac 07/24/2011 9:01:00 PM
Lots of people ignore they roots to make better for them selves that's the reality of life. and more to the point it's the real life that we live in.
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Mnewman 07/24/2011 5:54:00 PM
This was a fantastic movie that I was able to take my kids to and not have to cover ears or eyes. Your review shows yet again that if a move critic bashes a movie then it is a MUST SEE! Your review sucks Karina.
Captain America is a feel good movie with great visual effects that add to the movie instead of becoming the main attraction. The story is great, shows why Captain America was great when I was a child and again great for my children. Go Cap! 5 stars.
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Mlayden 07/24/2011 11:48:00 AM
These critics man... Look man no one really cares about including all these topics about what was wrong with the world during this time period and besides, it doesn't fit in with the plot. All these people wanted to see was an enjoyable superhero movie, and that's exactly what they got.
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Hannah 07/24/2011 4:16:00 AM
It does have a trailer for The Avengers you just have to stay until the credits are done. And we don't know how he's goin to tie in to this new movie because of the ending. We'll have to wait until May.
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07/24/2011 12:59:00 AM
Did you see the film?
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william 07/24/2011 12:52:00 AM
Hey I know there's a whole bunch of dumbasses who are defending this piece of shit but I'd just like to say that I enjoyed reading your review of this film.
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Argonaut 07/23/2011 9:10:00 PM
Typical review coming from the anti-American far-leftist Village Voice. For once we get an albeit popcorn movie that doesn't trash American Exceptionalism (like Avatar did), and what does the VV do? So what? Are we supposed to love Hitler and Mao and all the other Dictator Terrorists now? Captain America was great fun and patriotic. Just what we need right now to build up our spirits; not tear them down, as the media machine and current administration would have us do.
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07/23/2011 6:50:00 PM
I don't know what version of Captain America Karina Longworth saw, but there is indeed an added scene at the end of the credits.
Either there wasn't one at the screening that she saw–I find that doubtful–or she couldn't find the time to wait for the added scene that is in EVERY Marvel Studios film.
Either way, I am not sure that I can trust a critic that can't sit till the credits roll.
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07/23/2011 5:47:00 PM
It's not a guy. It's a woman.
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Rwaters2001 07/23/2011 4:19:00 PM
This guy is a total phucking idiot and clearly another movie critic that people just laugh at being a "wanna be".
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Passerby 07/23/2011 4:19:00 AM
I don't think you actually watched this movie or know anything about Captain America :) Alas, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But your opinion can be wrong!! .. which it clearly is here. you clearly hurried out of this one as there is a scene about the Avengers for 2012 after the credits. For once, I'd like to read a review from a critic that is actually informed and unbiased
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07/23/2011 3:47:00 AM
The Village Voice hates every mainstream "popcorn" movie. It's not hip to enjoy fun movies and provide the best, honest reviews for their readers. Unless their readers are dreadfully negative and depressed human beings who hate anything that gains even a shred of popularity and success.
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07/23/2011 3:01:00 AM
I forget what it is, but whatever it is, I think it looked really good. He definitely looks much smaller than everyone else.
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Kevanng72 07/23/2011 1:54:00 AM
Didn't they actually use Chris Evans in the film as the 90# weakling and actually make him smaller with cgi not the superimposed head thing this woman is talking about? Just asking.....haven't seen it yet, going on Sunday and I'm as excited as my husband & son!
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Bluejayfusion 07/23/2011 12:35:00 AM
Seriously, Lady... lighten up. It's a comic book movie- its supposed to be hokey and hackey... it isn't "A History of Violence" it's captain bloody america.
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07/22/2011 10:48:00 PM
I saw the film today. Went in 100 degree heat. Really, it was 100 degrees. Anyway, I disagree with this review. If you like films of this sort, you'll really like Captain America. The only issue I had was that Cap needed some sort of henchman to be challenge by, because he just tears through those Hydra soldiers!
This critic knows nothing of Captain America, because I think Chris Evans made a fine Captain America. Also, let me point out that Steve Rogers is trained before he becomes Cap. He could have been trained off-camera, certainly.
This writer is dismissive of this film, and, again, I don't know what she wanted from this film. And, AGAIN, did you read a Cpatain America Comic??? They weren't all about discovering war attrocities and such. It was a children's comic first.
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07/22/2011 10:44:00 PM
Looking at a cover of a comic and reading the comic are two different things.
The cube is in the comics and in the comic there is laser guns and it's not a true story
so relax and read the books.
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Roxxarj 07/22/2011 8:16:00 PM
Just saw the movie, and loved it. As an old-school Cap fan I am biased, but it was pulled off really well. Chris Evans pulled off the all-around good boy that Cap is spectacularly. Some people will go "No flaws, so it's a terrible character", but that's just it. It's Cap. He sees your flaws and shield bashes them in the face. As far as the Tesseract - or the Cosmic Cube - being an all-powerful thingamajig, well that's what it is. Literally. Probably expect more about that in The Avengers movie. Another great thing is it's shift away from anti-Fascism and more towards modern problems. During the break-out scene a comment is made that they're "rescuing all types" towards a man of Asian descent, who then retorts "I'm from Fresno". That stuck with me.
tl;dr Captian America is a great movie, both summer blockbuster style and on it's own two feet. Don't see it in 3D
Oh, and there is a post-credit scene. And an Avengers trailer. And a release date. *squeal* So yeah, hard fact that she got wrong.
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Liquid_icicles 07/22/2011 8:04:00 PM
To be fair I read her other critiques and they are just as uninspired! She may want to work on her skills and try again in a few years. I hope the boss man takes note and reevaluates his faith in her ability to tackle certain movies or projects. Her posts are as informing as reading the side of a cereal box that says sugar pops and saying "Wow this contains sugar!". thanks Karina! You might think comic fans lack intelligence, but I have to question anyone who has read your work and still signed the check.
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Hachiroku13954 07/22/2011 7:21:00 PM
Is this a movie review or a movie summary? Good job stupid
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Xbloodmoon 07/22/2011 6:28:00 PM
Hmm..film critic huh? Was there no open positions for you to write about the bon-bons you probably consume while watching True Blood?
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Vernier_gregg 07/22/2011 5:44:00 PM
Maybe Longsworth should take into concideration that being a film critic may not be the best career choice for her.
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07/22/2011 5:43:00 PM
Well face it guys she's probably someone that doesn't put up with all the modernisms of "milf" or "cougar" and generally just dislikes "trend" which honestly I find absurd and sexist too. But I'm willing to give Cap a chance because I've seen the trailers and it looks pretty good. I just hope they don't decide to "reboot" this five years down the line like they're doing to Spiderman.
Pfft.
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Liquid_icicles 07/22/2011 4:51:00 PM
I admit I know nothing of this reviewer but it is clear they know even less about comics. That's forgivable, many people are not fan's of comic's and I dare say the background story was probably researched from a wiki post. The whole history of comics is a mix of upstaging, misdirects, origins, revised origins, implied deaths, revisions, reinventing character's old and new. Most Marvel character's have gone through multiple incarnations so to chastise anyone involved in the project for not staying true to the character is not only ridiculous its misguided and coming from a fundamental ignorance of the genre. All Captain America needs to stay true to form, is to wear our flags colors, wield a sweet shield, and have the ideology that drives him to combat evil in all it's forms. The reviewer paraphrases this movie then throws in an opinion or two like there was an original thought going on up there. So ignore this propaganda, and judge for yourself. It's the American Way. Oh and has anyone done a back ground check on this reviewer maybe he has family that works for DC. (laughs)
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Captain 07/22/2011 4:40:00 PM
",,,the establishment of the de rigueur post-credit teaser scene. (Spoiler alert: Captain America doesn’t have one)." - not true, there is a teaser scene at the end of the credits.
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Bemused 07/22/2011 4:32:00 PM
You're funny.
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Samurai Ry 07/22/2011 4:23:00 PM
Go read the comics you dumbass, maybe if you did some research or reading you would know what was going on instead of being a lazy ass and expecting a movie to spoon feed it to you.
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07/22/2011 3:54:00 PM
Amazing enough the New York times reviewer loved the film because of its' retro look and homage to the original comic. This reviewer can't get past the Avengers tie-ins which would obviously be more relevant to baby-boomers. Ah, will they ever understand what it means to be a fan-boy????
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Unhappy 07/22/2011 2:58:00 PM
Hey moron, how about saying "spoiler alert" before you go and blab the resolution of the plot's main action sequence? Isn't that sort of an industry standard? Thanks, I'll make sure I avoid your reviews in the future!
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07/22/2011 2:48:00 PM
I'm surprised someone who hates liberal bias would even read VV!
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Abcd 07/22/2011 2:44:00 PM
not surprised that one of the big liberal rags in the US doenst like a movie that showes Americans as Patriotic.
Liberal Bias in the review here - please read others for real reviews
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07/22/2011 2:26:00 PM
Even a Wonder Woman movie, a Ms. Marvel movie or a Strangers in Paradise movie? What does being a woman have to do with writing?
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Andyallen1029 07/22/2011 2:04:00 PM
One of the very few bad reviews that should not be listened to this lady should just go back to Sex and The city or some other movie a woman can comprehend
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JoeyLucas 07/22/2011 1:49:00 PM
Women should never review movies based on comic books.
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07/22/2011 10:24:00 AM
If you're a fan of Captain America, you could probably fill in the blanks and be a bit more tolerant of the things which aren't included as background for the film. Perhaps you should look at a few of the graphic novels which explain Cap's entire background. You then ought to attend the movie once more. Maybe you'd change your mind about it. Obviously you aren't a comic book fan. How are you qualified to review comic book related movies?
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07/22/2011 4:25:00 AM
AKA Village voice reviews. :) I wont say it's all the reviewers from the paper, but some people are more in love with their obscure film references and multi-syllabic words than giving their view on a film
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Waldo Lydecker 07/22/2011 4:01:00 AM
I have an opinion too, and the internet allows me to write my opinion while I'm bored at work so you may read my opinion while you're bored at work. Opinion sharing is not only crucial to the fabric of civilisation it's also downright FUN. Indeed the internet will NEVER have enough opinions in my opinion.
HUZZAH FOR OPINIONS!
Now where was I? Oh yes, I was about to share my opinion of this article with you... and my opinion is... is...
errr, I forget.
But I'm sure it was a good one!
Probably had some wit.
Maybe even a hint of sarcasm.
I can't believe I forgot it!
oh, well.
I know! Why, I'll just click on over to another website and form a NEW opinion!
Meet me there and I'll gladly share it with you.
Goodbye my lovelies!
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07/22/2011 2:50:00 AM
I actually agree with you. I re-read my last comment and it sounds kind of pretentious, which wasn't my intent. There are lots of great writers who don't have a college education. I hate it when film critics use "fancy terminology" as well. I have actually read reviews where when I got to the end, I still didn't know if the critic liked the film or not.
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07/21/2011 10:15:00 PM
It's certainly helpful for a critic to be college educated, but knowing how to throw around fancy terminology and knowing the history of the film industry is not always helpful to me as a reader.
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07/21/2011 9:59:00 PM
I agree with you that you don't have to go to film school to be able to "professionally" criticize a film, however, I personally believe that movie critics should have some kind of education from a four year college in film & cinema; even if it's only a few classes. With the advancements in movie technology, critics should really have a firm grasp on the film making process at the very least. I'm not saying they need to be experts, but I think it is only to their benefit to have this education.
I did some Wikipedia research and this critic has a Bachelors in Video & Film and a Masters in Cinema Studies from some very respectable universities (NYU being one of them). So she definitely has the education & the smarts to be a film critic but she also has a narrow mind when it comes to the movies she likes.
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07/21/2011 8:28:00 PM
So what about him actually gaining height. What do you contribute that to? In the previous trailers it looked like CG.
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07/21/2011 6:42:00 PM
Captain America doesn't have a post-credits scene? Gosh that's really odd, considering it's been leaked all over the web for days...of course, the rest of this review is equally wrong-headed
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07/21/2011 4:47:00 PM
Nice review. Little side note - it wasn't head-replacement. They actually shrunk his body. That's all Evans.
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07/21/2011 4:02:00 PM
We will see tomorrow. At least, I will see tomorrow. I don't know about others here.
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07/21/2011 3:57:00 PM
To call people infantile, then say "hey, you're a bunch of geeks!" sure is mature! The purpose of an origin story is for the benefit of those who do not read comics, not because Marvel doesn't believe in the characters. What a strange conclusion to come to. How many movies, period do not start with an origin story? From a film shot on a handheld camera and uploaded on youtube to a multi-million dollar blockbuster, a good amount of them are origin stories.
And, please, if you are of the belief that these movies keep coming out just because the comic book geeks go see them, please look to your children, your friends and your family, who DON'T read comic books, because they enjoy these films as well.
Comic book movies are not destroying anything. There are so many independent works, so many films you or I have yet to see, and yet people cry over the big blockbusters. Don't see them, don't read reviews of them, ignore them. Out of sight, out of mind.
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07/21/2011 11:58:00 AM
@Terra Forma First of all, I'm not infantile. I'm a 30 year old woman. Secondly, if you read my comment, I wasn't referring to this critic's review of Captain America. I was referring to her as a critic overall. But for the record, I didn't read all of your comment either; there's only so much pseudo-intellectual dribble a person can take. I had to stop about midway because I got so bored.
Go masturbate to Stalag 17.
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07/21/2011 4:58:00 AM
I think that was one of Karina's points - In Marvel Comics world - Steve aka Capt. America was very patriotic....and in this Marvel world comic movie...that's not really being shown. In the comic, Steve's Patrotism (sp?) is what drove him. Nothing seems to drive the Steve in the movie.
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Rodneyhopper 07/21/2011 4:27:00 AM
I was going to write out a well thought out, artful reply, but your hubris just takes up too much room.
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HeWhoHatesYou 07/21/2011 1:56:00 AM
Soooo....
-Captain America is SUPPOSED to lead into the Avengers. Its NOT, however, supposed to lead into concentration camps, Gestapo, Ann Frank, or Steven Spielberg movies.
-The "glowing cube thingy" is the Cosmic Cube, and is only meant to be introduced in this movie as a means to a bigger plot in the Avengers.
-This IS NOT the REAL WWII. It is MARVEL COMICS WWII. Much different. Otherwise, Hitler would be the main villain. Which he isn't.
You're an idiot. Its not supposed to be a introspective examination of life as a soldier during WWII. Its a COMIC BOOK MOVIE! Find you fuckin childhood and get a real fuckin job.
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Terra Forma 07/21/2011 1:50:00 AM
This swam of infantile pimpledom savagely defending Marvel's latest product is hilarious. Listen up twerps, if of the last ten movies you saw, 3/4 invoked either magic or powers or zombies please move to the back of the class. Don't get me wrong, there's much much money to be made in cultural bankruptcy. You have a bright future and you are keeping the Maya programmers hard at work.
The comic fixation in film is destroying the sense of FEEL in an entire generation. I love a good action flick but if I cannot sense the danger, the pain, the punishment and (possibly) the narcotic euphoria of self sacrifice then the images on screen really aren't worth fiddlesticks.
These Comic movies are almost all worthless. Really. Ask yourself -- if Marvel/DC/Sony really believed in these characters then why do they keep making the Origin movie? Answer: they don't have any other story to tell, there just isn't anything there.
Captain America? I had a box full of Steve Rogers when I was a pup. And like a true Red blooded American Liberal Male I remember them fondly. I think there could be a great movie made from this source material. The Voice Critic is pointing out some ways this might have been done.
This movie will be tossed into a bag in a few weeks, you'll admire it for its cover in New Mint condition, the Avengers movie will cite it (see Captain America issue #1) and the United States will never be as great as it was in 1941 because the things to which you aspire is just cheap fantasy.
God I wish we still had William Holden.
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07/21/2011 12:50:00 AM
So I am getting the feeling you did not like the movie....
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07/21/2011 12:40:00 AM
Emotional vindication? I came here to read a review, and I decided to take a chance on participating in the comments section as well. I don't need any reviewer to appease me, nor for anyone in the comments section to agree with me on anything.
If I wasn't interested in having a conversation, WHY am I having a conversation with you now? Also, for a guy who is implying he has more respect for this critic than I do, why do you call yourself hater?
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whatevs 07/21/2011 12:13:00 AM
Because I like reading and supporting good film criticism. I don't always agree with Karina Longworth, but there have been a few reviews of her that have made me look differently at a movie. Why are YOU here? You aren't interested in a conversation, you're here for emotional vindication.
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07/20/2011 11:52:00 PM
To be fair to the critic, you don't have to go to film school to properly criticize a film, even at a professional level.
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07/20/2011 11:34:00 PM
You are one of the worst critics I have ever known. I NEVER use your reviews when deciding what films to watch. Go to film school so you can get an understanding of the process. If you have gone to film school or studied it somewhat while obtaining your Journalism/English degree...please request your money back from the university.
P.S. I am not necessarily referring to your review of this film; I'm talking about ALL of the films you have reviewed. It amuses me how incredibly shallow your reviews are and the lack of imagination you exhibit.
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07/20/2011 8:57:00 PM
I think she just has general problems, namely that it's a big money grab. She really hates blockbusters.
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07/20/2011 8:55:00 PM
I found it funny as well that being liberal would have anything to do with her review. If it does, it doens't have much to do with that.
Andrew, how did you see this film already?
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07/20/2011 8:49:00 PM
Why are you here?
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Briant888 07/20/2011 8:46:00 PM
Based on the review, it appears that Ms. Longworth wanted "Captain America" to delve more deeply into the factual realities of WWII, including the Holocaust, and to focus on actual evils the Nazis perpetrated instead of utilizing the Marvel villain group Hydra. I think that's imposing rather harsh expectations on what is still, at the end of the day, a comic book movie. There is a time and a place for examinations of those topics, but to do so in the wrong genre cheapens the conversation. In fact, if I recall correctly, Steven Spielberg a few years ago stated that he didn't want to see Nazis used as the punching bags in pulp action films anymore, because it inevitably downplayed the horror of what actually happened. That is why I have no problem with Hydra and the Red Skull serving as the main villains in this film. Captain America belongs to the world of evil super-scientists and laser guns, not to the reality of barbed wire and railcars.
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OHMYGOD 07/20/2011 8:43:00 PM
Been kids ≠had kids
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Superyesway 07/20/2011 8:28:00 PM
"there’s not so much as a single mention of the ideological divides that plagued the times"
More Nazis, less Hydra.
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07/20/2011 7:58:00 PM
and you have a all right to but the thing is she doesn't even say "oh this is obiviously a movie you need to shut off your mind to watch" or and if she believes it's badly made she doesn't express it. I can see if she did express her actual complaints and they were valid reasoning but all she does it give hints to what she finds wrong and a non explained summary . I don't care if it's a bad movie but just tell me WHY it's a bad movie WHY it's price gouging
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07/20/2011 7:49:00 PM
Write a letter to the editor and get this skank fired.
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STEVE ROGERS 07/20/2011 7:36:00 PM
THIS REVIEW SUCKS!
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07/20/2011 7:21:00 PM
I'm a liberal and I enjoyed this flick, you republican scum sucking, ball licker. Go back to your closeted homosexuality while your wife takes it in the ass from me on Mondays.
And the reviewer didn't like the film because she actually didn't watch it. And has a pussy.
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AntiVillageVoicer 07/20/2011 7:19:00 PM
big surprise you didn't like it...anti-American liberal pig.
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Sean 07/20/2011 7:16:00 PM
Not a good review at all. DId you even watch this film?
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07/20/2011 7:15:00 PM
You are such a dumb prick. First you spoil part of the film, second; Why the fuck would you be dumb enough to think that Marvel would not keep in line with all the other films it's produced and neglect to add a after credits scene.
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07/20/2011 5:47:00 PM
If that is the meaning of 'hate', then, yes. Anyway, check her other movie reviews and you'll see what I mean.
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+10 Charisma 07/20/2011 5:11:00 PM
Can't tell if trolling....
Or just very stupid...
Spoiler Alert: There was an after credits scene and it was a doosie. Sorry you were too busy being up in yourself to notice.
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Whatevs 07/20/2011 5:07:00 PM
Well, those sound boring and stupid then, too.
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Homer Simpson 07/20/2011 4:42:00 PM
Mmmmm... masturbatory culmination...
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Whatevs 07/20/2011 4:35:00 PM
Oh, I'm glad it's exploiting this tragic time in history for shits and giggles then.
And you WILL be coming back, almost assuredly, next year when the Village pans the masturbatory culmination of these Marvel flicks, because that's what fanboys do.
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Hater #2 07/20/2011 4:28:00 PM
Provide cogent criticism that the nerds will rebuke despite not even yet having seen the movie in question?
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07/20/2011 4:14:00 PM
I happily disagree.
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07/20/2011 4:12:00 PM
Sold out? What do you mean?
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07/20/2011 4:09:00 PM
I'd like to see where you're seeing all this.
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Campbell451 07/20/2011 4:07:00 PM
Thanks for telling us that Erskine dies. Jerk.
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Justin Bieber 07/20/2011 3:52:00 PM
he's right, this is lazy criticism.
Note to VV editors: you'll need to pick up yr game if you wanna survive in the new media.
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Darkhorn1991 07/20/2011 3:47:00 PM
Wow you never have read a comic book have you. By the way folks Ive seen the entire movie including the after credits scene which is there btw. In short its a good movie soilid A-, 4 of 5 stars material. Couldve been the best Marvel movie yet, but falls a little short.
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07/20/2011 3:40:00 PM
This comment was written better than the actual review.
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Hopper21 07/20/2011 3:22:00 PM
Line of the thread:
"Karina Longworth has a fever. And the only prescription is more Holocaust! "
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Hopper21 07/20/2011 3:21:00 PM
"history of the era"?
The best thing you can do to keep peace with yourself and your sanity while watching these movies... is understand that the 'history of the era' in this film is not OUR history...
It's a different path history *could* have taken...
Sure, there are overlaps with the events that occurred in the lives of our ancestors, but ultimately, it's a work of fiction that borrows elements from our history. It's not meant to be a factual historical account of World War II.
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Hopper21 07/20/2011 2:59:00 PM
Admit it, you wrote this a month ago.
I love it when reviewers make up their mind before they hit the theater.
I love it more when they make it this obvious.
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07/20/2011 2:59:00 PM
Ignores the roots?, I'm guessing you never even picked up a comic book in your life. Why don't you stick to a movie genre where you won't have a biased opinion. Do you even know the character's history? All 70 somethings years of it? AND SPOILER ALERT, there is an after credits scene...
To be honest I highly doubt you even saw the movie...You seem to know nothing, or mention any of the other characters, this review seems a little too generic for it to be legit...
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Pznic 07/20/2011 2:47:00 PM
This reviewer seems to have no real idea what this movie is supposed to be, and rather than review it based on its own contexts and merits, she decided to castigate if for not being Schindler's List. You , madam, are a jackass.
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Cbob 07/20/2011 2:13:00 PM
What a surprise. If it is not Jane Austin its crap. Geez lady just have fun for once and enjoy the ride. What a friggin snob.
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07/20/2011 1:47:00 PM
that "glowing cube thingy" is a very important thing in the marvel universe :)
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07/20/2011 1:24:00 PM
Sorry to hear your Holocaust fetish wasn't satisfied.
Your tendancy to hate superhero movies, or any movies that don't pander to you personally, is so refreshing to me. It's so nice to see the liberal elite prove how "open-minded" they are.
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07/20/2011 12:55:00 PM
You were expecting Schindler's List?
With a guy wearing the flag and throwing a deadly star spangle frisbee?
Are you sure you even know what a comic book is Karina?
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07/20/2011 12:46:00 PM
I paid $32.67 for a XBOX 360 and my mom got a 17 inch Toshiba laptop for $94.83 being delivered to our house tomorrow by FedEX. I will never again pay expensive retail prices at stores. I even sold a 46 inch HDTV to my boss for $650 and it only cost me $52.78 to get. Here is the website we using to get all this stuff, GrabPenny.com
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BWOzar 07/20/2011 12:40:00 PM
Just saying - the trailer for The Avengers plays at the post credits. To avoid spoilers they removed it from critics screenings.
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Moogleman03 07/20/2011 11:56:00 AM
Captain America comics took themselves seriously and were great long before Brubaker. His "take" on Cap is soulless and full of hackneyed gimmicks and one BOOOORRRRRIIINNNGGGG scene after another. Another false Marvel idol along with Bendis.
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Joe Gillis 07/20/2011 10:43:00 AM
hmmm... yaknow if I was a "serious film reviewer" for an esteemed liberal NYC periodical and I got stuck with having to write the review for "Captain America" yaknow what I would do?
...why, I'd get nice and loaded, sit through the damn flick and tap out a vague recall of what happens on my oh so sexy iPad while throwing in a handful of criticisms that, in later sobriety, I would realise were pretty spurious. Then I'd have some cocktails with my witty friends and wait for my cheque.
yeah, that's why my job application at the Voice was rejected... 'cos of my poor attitude. It gladdens me to think that you're there to write well considered, earnest and most of all FUNNY reviews.
Thanks ever so much for this line in particular -
"... would have been something of a Holocaust game changer is one of a number of potentially rich parallel-historical details that the film doesn’t care to grapple with."
oh, I laughed sooo hard! Who the hell is Pauline Kael anyways!?
Well, I'm off to get drunk. Hey, maybe we'll end up in the same bar... I'll be the bitter guy in the corner reading a Marvel comic behind a copy of "Madame Bovary". Cheerio!
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Srmorrow 07/20/2011 10:36:00 AM
Did we expect anything but a hit piece from The Village Voice? I didn't. This review is a self-indulgent, predictable whine from yet another New York newspaper that can't sustain a successful circulation.
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Anonymous 07/20/2011 10:11:00 AM
You say that the film should have dealt with the Holocaust, and yet you fail to realize that the American armies fighting in WWII didn't encounter any death camps till the spring of 1945, which is exactly when Cap and Bucky "died"...
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??? 07/20/2011 9:20:00 AM
alright u dumb bitch, calm down and make me a sandwich. im fucking starving
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James 07/20/2011 9:17:00 AM
Are you seriously complaining that the Captain America movie ISN'T trying to be Schindler's List? How seriously do you expect it to take itself? Your complaints are horrible, and your review was essentially a summary of the plot instead of actual unbiased criticism.
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Scyther988 07/20/2011 8:52:00 AM
The source material? We do not need another Band of Brother series or Saving Private Bucky. As long as it isn't Wolverine I can handle it. Also, I had to sit through Transformers and that means I have the right to rip on anyone I see fit.
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07/20/2011 8:11:00 AM
Good review. Glad someone's playing as close attention to the source material as the history of the era. The 'Cap sold out before the film even came out in my opinion, but that's neither here nor there.
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07/20/2011 8:02:00 AM
This review is repugnant. Perhaps you should edit your own reviews before posting them and check for some comprehension in regards to story-telling, instead of revelling in your own bias. It just stinks of close-minded bitchiness. Find a hobby...
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07/20/2011 7:48:00 AM
You just can't win with these people. If the movie did all the things that the reviewer wanted then it would be 3 hours plus which a movie studio just isn't going to do. And then she'd be complaining about how long and boring it is. Another detail the review is completely wrong on is that the first Ang Lee directed Hulk had no tie in to the Avengers. Only the second one did, which was a reboot, not a sequel.
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Turk 07/20/2011 7:12:00 AM
"... thinking people who just happened to have been kids once", i hear you say?
i guess that explicates the idiotic kitschy-eye-glasses-dozen-for-a-dime-pontificating-pseudo-intellectual-social-hipster schtick this chick seems incapable of growing out of. film critic or otherwise, her writing style; argumentative prowess; ability to identify and discern concepts; and mere command of the english language strike as that of any bored small town teenager who forged a path aways from the rest of the culturally myopic herd by virtue of being the condescending asshole in town who read Catcher in the Rye (in its overwhelming, complex entirety too!) and reckoned it spoke to her directly enough so as to instill within the probability of linguistic greatness, which had her surroundings at the time differed would and should have in all certainty been checked from the get go.
yet the irony is i read, and on occasion comment on her work for exactly the reason she appears to review films she wanders in to with a pre-established sense they will not appease her palette. that is, i look down on her, and could use a laugh.
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Docmartigan 07/20/2011 7:04:00 AM
How was the acting? Does Chris Evans carry the movie? Is he convincing outside of his wise-cracking normal roles? Was the film shot well? What DID you enjoy? Did the movie have well shot action scenes? Did the interplay between characters work well? Might want to jot those down on a post-it. Those are things a film critic should probably touch on somewhere in their reviews. You did make it clear that you didn't enjoy the "hokey" story, so good job on that!
You seemed to understand that this is based on a comic book, but then suggest the film should have delved into the Holocaust. That's what we need in superhero movies! Completely dark and depressing acts of genocide! It also seems like you had an issue with the fictional tech in the movie. Again, comic book. Every single "super hero" IP requires some suspension of disbelief that you seem to lack. Doomsday devices, mutations, radioactive spiders, super powers. All scientifically fuzzy but they work as a way to tell a story about a conflict. It's clear by how little effort you put into this review that you didn't like this movie before it was even announced. And nice jab at the director by leaving out any of the good movies he has directed. But then again, you probably didn't like those either. I can see those reviews now...
The Rocketeer has some odd device you didn't understand that caused someone to fly. It was hokey because it focused on someone who wasn't majorly flawed and a good person at heart. It didn't feature enough political and socio-economic undertones. The Rocketeer also had Nazi's. I can't believed they missed the obvious opportunity to insert more Holocaust!
Karina Longworth has a fever. And the only prescription is more Holocaust!
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07/20/2011 6:44:00 AM
First Class, Super 8, and Bridesmaids are not bad movies. Judging by the movies she gives good reviews to, it has to be released by an independent film house and seen by 5 people during it's entire run to be considered good.
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07/20/2011 6:41:00 AM
This has got to be one of the most ignorant reviews I've ever read. There are completely incorrect facts (There is a Avengers tease after the credits), complains that a comic book movie isn't historically accurate, and then ends on a random note that the movie should have addressed the divides that were meaningless in actual World War 2. On top of that, slamming a movie called "The first Avenger" for leading into "The Avengers" makes absolutely no sense at all.
No wonder nobody listens to critics anymore.
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Corypetit 07/20/2011 6:09:00 AM
They are shown in both, but you have to search out for a theater showing the 2D in early weeks, or wait for a few weeks till they switch over to the 2D version.
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07/20/2011 4:46:00 AM
She's just a hater. And we all know what haters are gonna do.
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07/20/2011 4:27:00 AM
"A nymphomaniac wife might return as a communist hooker seducing American Soldiers."-Bill Clinton
AND THERE IS NOT ONE MENTION OF THIS IN CAPTAIN AMERICA!!!!!! DAMNIT!
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07/20/2011 4:20:00 AM
Bravo Foxtrot Delta
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07/20/2011 4:11:00 AM
It DOES have a post-credits scene. It's the trailer for The Avengers.
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07/20/2011 3:58:00 AM
;) I was being just as sexist and illogical as she is in her reviews. Playing devils advocate if you will. I had hoped she might read it and have the same reaction you had. She obviously is a misandrist.
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07/20/2011 3:50:00 AM
;) I was being just as sexist and illogical as she is in her reviews. Playing devils advocate if you will. I had hoped she might read it and have the same reaction you and KL had. She obviously is a misandrist.
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07/20/2011 3:33:00 AM
??? WHAT? Seriously, you honestly jumped to that ludicrous conclusion?
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07/20/2011 3:31:00 AM
Being Wary of spoilers for Captain America is valid, because some people don't know every bit about Cap history, but I don't feel as bad about character deaths in this movie. Maybe as someone who's read the comics, I'm being less sensitive.
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Byronbojenglesiii 07/20/2011 3:26:00 AM
the film totally looks hokey. its sort of the essence of early captain america. its going for the indiana jones and come on indy is hokey, but it simply takes a sense of grit and just a strong commanding lead to make it something else.
by the power of God Captain America comics have become beyond awesome. Brubaker must have sold his soul or something, but he has the comic take itself incredibly seriously and it works amazingly.
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jim 07/20/2011 3:24:00 AM
The review isn't great but that sexist shit is completely uncalled for.
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Kmehaf 07/20/2011 3:14:00 AM
And I, apparently, can't be bothered to read that this was already posted.
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Bodwulf 07/20/2011 3:13:00 AM
She only quotes the trailers. Way to early to have actually seen it. It just premiered on the 19th.All who advance screened it agree not to critic till the premiere was over . Reviews like this remind us why women were not allowed to vote for such a long time and have to struggle so hard to be taken seriously.
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Kmehaf 07/20/2011 2:42:00 AM
Also, the film does contain a stinger at the end. Reports of the "scene" broke last week and a cam version of it leaked Sunday night, which was circulated fairly widely across the media. It was (apparently) not included in press screenings. It exists and it would be unfortunate if any of your readers missed out.
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07/20/2011 2:40:00 AM
How can there be fanboy apologists for a movie that isn't even out yet?
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Caw015 07/20/2011 2:38:00 AM
Why do yo feel the need to reveal a character death in your review you goddamn idiot
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Kmehaf 07/20/2011 2:34:00 AM
Armond White has crafted the attention-seeking, contrarian and baseless review into an art form, and you, Ms. Longworth, are no Armond White.
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Classic Liberal 07/20/2011 1:56:00 AM
Smart man. Ms. Longworth thinks she's in the social justice business. It's pretty nuts.
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Eric 07/20/2011 1:53:00 AM
This is a pretty useless review; no rational person expects a movie about a spandex clad hero with implausible super powers to address in any substantial way the many moral issues surrounding WWII, none of which involved the supervillanous Red Skull--few movies can, let alone superhero action flicks. A good movie review requires more than a plot synopsis and pithy comments about how the plot fails to address social justice. I won't be coming back to the Village Voice for more of this dreck.
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Marty 07/20/2011 1:51:00 AM
What a terrible review. Did you even watch the movie? If so, what drugs were you taking when you watched it? I certainly don't want to be on whatever you're taking when I'm watching this. You sound utterly depressed. Did your boyfriend break up with you? Don't worry, little miss, there are plenty of men out there for you, you sad, pathetic creature.
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07/20/2011 1:42:00 AM
I wish you would have told us why you didn't like the movie (besides the irrelevant small point mentioned at the end)... but it's clear, you rushed through this review to get it done and come up on the Google results first. Congrats, you won! :D
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Classic Liberal 07/20/2011 1:38:00 AM
But it's NOT like the old voice, Cas. Not by a long shot. I wish it was. Andrew Sarris and J. Hoberman never focused on gender and identity politics TO THE EXCLUSION OF EVERYTHING ELSE in the movies they were reviewing! But that's ALL this woman does. Go back and look at her old reviews some time. If the crazy exponents of Political Correctness (and you know who you are) ever banded together and formed a Nationalized police force (and they may yet!), Ms. Longworth could be the Commissioner.
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07/20/2011 1:32:00 AM
I also do not understand her issues with 3d. I am assuming that movies, in the US, are shown both in price inflated 3d version AND normal price 2D version, aren't they? In my multiplex here in Italy you can choose. Everybody knows this film is post converted, and that post converted 3D isn't the real deal (I actually liked Thor more in 2D than in 3D) so if you don't want to spend the extra $ for 3D, just watch the 2D version.
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Classic Liberal 07/20/2011 1:32:00 AM
Not all reviewers are like Karina Longworth. She's kind of a whack job -- an extreme example of a Progressive-Feminist-Multiculturalist critic with an axe to grind.
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07/20/2011 1:27:00 AM
Lol then I am starting to understand now. And I guess we, the "comic book guys" are the ones to be called immature. We are the one with issues.
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Classic Liberal 07/20/2011 1:25:00 AM
CAPTAIN AMERICA may be great. It may be awful. It may be something in-between. Regardless, you're not gonna learn anything about its merits as a piece of popular cinema from the writings of Karina Longworth. All of her reviews... not a lot, mind you... or most... but each and every one (it's truly unbelievable) is focused exclusively on gender and identity politics. That's her bag, folks... the prism through which this inane "critic" (and dear God how does she have the temerity to keep calling herself that?) is able to perceive the world.
Wanna treat yourself to a laugh sometime? Go back and look at her archived reviews, which read like a parody of the rantings of a crazy feminist critic, to the point where part of me thinks she may even be putting us on. But she's not.
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07/20/2011 1:20:00 AM
Lee and Kirby put "game changing" devices (robots, cosmic cubes, alien artifacts) in every issue of Captain America. Such is the nature of the beast: these thing in classic comic books do not have consequences once the hero deals with them. So if Cap manages to destroy whatever use Hydra has put the Cosmic Cube to (which BTW was foreshadowed in Thor, hence Noway), i'll be fine with that.
Now, I have not seen the movie and it may well be as bad as the reviewer states, but the things she describes are part of the genre and the roots of the character. The fact that they even managed to put a nod to the cover of the first issue of Captain America is pretty good stuff in my book.
Every genre has its rules and a reviewer should accept them before reviewing a film.
Would you criticize a crime movie for being all about violence, gangsters and cops?
(Forgive bad spelling, it's 3.20 in the night and English is a second language to me. Rant mode off.)
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07/20/2011 1:03:00 AM
the avengers teaser is on youtube now. I agree this reviewer has no respect for the genre. Basically all the things she didn't like are what makes a good comic book movie...
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07/20/2011 1:00:00 AM
Just a side comment: does a film have to have a message to be considered good? I don't like crap movies where you have to "turn your brain off" but I do like movies that are simply well done.
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Jaa874 07/20/2011 1:00:00 AM
Wow this is one of the worst reviews Ive ever read. She's not even REVIEWING the movie! She does no real analysis or give any sort of legititmate example from the movie for the criticism. She clearly doesn't know what shes talking about and sounds like a complaining 12 year old. How this got on Rotten Tomatoes and is actually considered a legitimate review is beyond me.
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07/20/2011 12:57:00 AM
I don't know when anyone would believe that a summer action film would tackle such issues. Maybe Captain America film should, but if you stack up all of the issues of Captain America that were written, they aren't about deeper poli-social issues either. They're about punching evil hard in the face.
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Pat Bateman 07/20/2011 12:13:00 AM
Is this comment supposed to be ironic? "Thinking people" don't intend to have children? And why once?
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07/19/2011 11:59:00 PM
Saw the film last week (my review goes up tonight at midnight), and the critics prints did not have said teaser. I stayed, but got nothing for my troubles.
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Beardedsmith 07/19/2011 11:56:00 PM
It was C.S.Lewis who said, and I summarize here of course, that only the immature and childish feel the need to act grown up and put others down for not doing so. So your first bit of rambling is void.
As for the second bit. If you don't wish to review a comic-book movie as a comic-book movie then simply don't review it. Don't get upset that it focuses on comic-book issues and not real world ones. This review boiled down to someone who more than likely paid little attention, as shown in her missing the trailer after the movie, and takes themselves far too seriously. I would also add that any information they had about the comic was skimmed over from wikipedia and the writer hasn't really read any source material since they were a young child. If they read it then.
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07/19/2011 11:50:00 PM
Cas the thing is she says gives no real criticism to what's bad just "It doesn't stick to it's roots" but provides no examples in fact she provides examples that it is sticking to it's roots. She mentions how it's a hokey money gouging film or anything hacky but never gives an example of it's stupidty or how it's hokey. the only example she's giving are basically flaws with the original character's story. She brings up at the end how there's no ideological divide when cap and the howling commandos(the name of the people rag tag team of racially diverse people) only goal is stopping the destruction of humanity which sounds like something right.
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Cas_eindhoven 07/19/2011 11:44:00 PM
She probably left in disgust!
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Cas_eindhoven 07/19/2011 11:43:00 PM
Karina Longworth is reviewing the movie for THINKING PEOPLE who just HAPPENED to have been kids ONCE, not for folks who are still stuck in their prepubescent years of infantile omnipotence.
You want a comic-book review of a comic-book movie, read the Post. Thank God the film section of the Voice is still a bit like the old Voice!
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Marvelous 07/19/2011 11:28:00 PM
Referring, of course, to ms. Longworths review, not prior comments
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Marvelous 07/19/2011 11:27:00 PM
Your only quotes, and vague references/judgements, come from the two trailers. I'd be willing to bet that you haven't even seen the film. Sounds like a imdb summary in longhand from a person who has shown poor taste in the past.
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07/19/2011 11:26:00 PM
Kyle when did you see this movie? because Spyda might have a point, if you look at her complaints of first class and last years kick ass she obviously never read the comic and misses the emotional resonates it may have with audiences saying that First class was nothing special or memorable and that Kick ass had a political/social statment
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07/19/2011 11:23:00 PM
and some people just don't like bad movies.
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07/19/2011 11:22:00 PM
You point out nothing that's actually ignoring it's roots!
I'm sorry but basically the basic origin of him going from An F-4 to an A-1 in the comic, the doctor being killed by a spy in the comic, Steve with lack of training (which there is footage of him going through basic so there is SOME level of training) pushed into the front lines IN THE COMIC. everything you just said IS IN THE COMIC the only that's different is basically him fighting ONLY HYDRA
if you read those old school comics they were borderline(for their time) racist (meaning now it's full on racist) with nothing but "Buy bonds!" and "Join up" messages... there was almost NOTHING of valve in those old comics beside the characters of cap and his supporters which have been rewritten and expanded upon multiple times since then in the comics
Also you obiviously don't read Comics or have an idea of the comics main concept or the morals of the characters other then the basic image you believe is going on.
Kick-ass wasn't a social or political statement just a statement of how stupid/ridiculous it'd be to try and be a super hero and the bad stuff that can happen to you (Read the comic to see how bad it gets because the movie TONES IT DOWN).
X-men First class has many touching moments and visually striking moments for even basic fans of the series as Charles and Erik become friends then all to quickly fall apart.
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Karina I. Hate-Summermovies 07/19/2011 11:21:00 PM
P.S. -- She (Karina the reviewer) hated Thor too.
RE: Movies she's hated this year:
- Xmen First Class
- Super 8
- Green Lantern (no surprise)
- Another Earth
- Horrible Bosses
- Bridesmaid
Movies she's liked this year:
- General Orders
- Snow Flower
- Turkey Bowl
- Midnight in Paris
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Spyda 07/19/2011 11:11:00 PM
Some people just don't like comic books, and can never get past that. You'll see me in the theater, more than once.
"Spyda" Adams
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Karina I. Hate-Summermovies 07/19/2011 11:00:00 PM
No surprise since Karina Longworth, this Village Voice reviewer has her tastes in films:
Movies she's hated this year:
- Xmen First Class
- Super 8
- Green Lantern
- Another Earth
- Horrible Bosses
- Bridesmaid
Movies she's liked this year:
- General Orders
- Snow Flower
- Turkey Bowl
- Midnight in Paris
Who the heck have heard of all those movies she liked?
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Aristan 07/19/2011 10:53:00 PM
Does every movie have to tackle the topic of race and diversity before it can earn a good review here? I'm pretty sure we know the answer. Next positive review- earned or not- will probably go to "The Help".
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Commonsense 07/19/2011 10:50:00 PM
ROFL!
I guess Ms. Karina (the reviewer) although didn't like the fact that this comic book movie didn't explore how the Cosmic Cube would've affected the real life Holocaust, something like the Red Skull's facial features however didn't need any explanation from her.
Review Fail.
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07/19/2011 10:50:00 PM
Yes, and every movie in the Superman franchise missed the opportunity to use Kal-El's situation to explore the plight of illegal aliens in America. The writers ignored a rich source of conflict there, no doubt about it. [/sarcasm]
As others have said, there is a post-credits scene/trailer for The Avengers. Apparently, this reviewer was too busy griping about fictional Nazis not using a Cosmic Cube in the Holocaust to notice that.
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Everton 07/19/2011 10:47:00 PM
Well I must say I', most surprised to find the Village Voice didn't like this film. Seeing as how I've seen numerous pointers to why they're fighting and what for in the trailers I'm going to assume that these details are in the film and as usual the VV was too busy with its own agenda to notice them. Just as the failed to notice the rather obvious Avengers bit after the film. Perhaps not a scene in the traditional Marvel Studios manner, but hardly the same as there being nothing.
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Commonsense 07/19/2011 10:45:00 PM
To Ms. Karina,
So... just because this movie actually delved into the "comic" aspect as opposed to solely focusing on the real world stuff, you're condemning it?
Um... Hello!
This is a "comic book" movie and not a History Channel WW2 documentary.
What a bad reviewer.
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AJ 07/19/2011 10:12:00 PM
I agree... this film completely wasted the opportunity to explore how a magical cube would have affected the Holocaust. It's an issue that Hollywood shies away from again and again.
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07/19/2011 9:37:00 PM
There is a something after the credits. It shows the first trailer for The Avengers.
