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Nintendo 3DS announced

3D gaming (without glasses) coming before March, 2011
Nintendo's announced that it plans to release the Nintendo 3DS, the handheld that will "succeed" the current DS before March next year.

The announcement was made in a newly released investor report, which says, "...games can be enjoyed with 3D effects without the need for any special glasses." - Pretty massive.

The report also says that the 3DS will succeed the DS Series and will support backwards compatibility for DS and DSi software.

Here's an English translation of the 3DS press release for your further scrutiny:

"Nintendo Co., Ltd.(Minami-ward of Kyoto-city, President Satoru Iwata) will launch "Nintendo 3DS"(temp) during the fiscal year ending March 2011, on which games can be enjoyed with 3D effects without the need for any special glasses.

"Nintendo 3DS"(temp) is going to be the new portable game machine to succeed "Nintendo DS series", whose cumulative consolidated sales from Nintendo amounted to 125million units as of the end of December 2009, and will include backward compatibility so that the software for Nintendo DS series, including the ones for Nintendo DSi, can also be enjoyed.

We are planning to announce additional details at E3 show, which is scheduled to be held from June 15, 2010 at Los Angeles in the U.S."

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so just spent my money on the dsxl and i already know its dead in the water as next installment of the ds franchise is already gonna blow this one away. what a waste of time and money from my part.
A HERO EMERGES on 23 Mar '10
This sounds great. I wonder how long it will be before Sony release a PSP3D and pretend they invented it all along?
BYDO on 23 Mar '10
Oh my god, now Nintendo are copying Sony with their 3D gaming!

When will it end?!! Laughing

Seriously though, it sounds more than a little interesting.

Just how will they achieve 3D gaming without the need for glasses? Confused
Mark240473 on 23 Mar '10
I was about to go get myself a DSiXL. I won't bother now if there is another one coming out.
G_R7 on 23 Mar '10
cool. Be interesting to see it in action. Wonder what kind of spec the grraphics will be? I'm hoping gamecube or better.
WHERESMYMONKEY on 23 Mar '10
As far as I'm concerned, the only true 3D gaming experience without the need for glasses, is stickle bricks...Also, I can't believe Nintendo are releasing another console, especially considering I bought one once. I thought that once id bought one, then they would never ever release another console, so my game and watch is obsolete now and I'm sat here with egg on my face.
buffig on 23 Mar '10
How?
I just can't contemplate how it'll work. Confused
treesmurf 11 on 23 Mar '10
Ninty are just so cool!
emilhaarkenblaar on 23 Mar '10
i see a problem; the DS can BARELY do 3d, so 3d gaming is a bit hard to do without 3d graphics.

unless of course they want to do paper mario, where it looks like bits of paper in 3d. but then that defeats the point of it being a 2d game does it not?
lmaolmao on 23 Mar '10
Oh my god, now Nintendo are copying Sony with their 3D gaming!

When will it end?!! Laughing

Seriously though, it sounds more than a little interesting.

Just how will they achieve 3D gaming without the need for glasses? Confused

You do know that there are already screens in existence which give the 3D effect without glasses don't you? They are practically useless for normal tvs as only one person gets to watch at one time as there is a sweet spot for viewing (although head tracking sets allow that 1 person to move around). Other sets have been developed that allow for three or so sweet spots but these are fixed and do not track movement. However for a handheld this tech would be fine as it is so rare that more than one person is looking at the screen and the user is almost always going to be in the sweet spot.

I am still unconvinced by 3D though and would be interested to see if it induces nausea for games. We will soon see though.
leefear1 on 23 Mar '10
i see a problem; the DS can BARELY do 3d, so 3d gaming is a bit hard to do without 3d graphics.

unless of course they want to do paper mario, where it looks like bits of paper in 3d. but then that defeats the point of it being a 2d game does it not?

This is a new console! It is not a DS with a 3d screen!
leefear1 on 23 Mar '10
As far as I'm concerned, the only true 3D gaming experience without the need for glasses, is stickle bricks...Also, I can't believe Nintendo are releasing another console, especially considering I bought one once. I thought that once id bought one, then they would never ever release another console, so my game and watch is obsolete now and I'm sat here with egg on my face.


That will teach you for not waiting you crazy tech head Wink
leefear1 on 23 Mar '10
Oh my god, now Nintendo are copying Sony with their 3D gaming!

When will it end?!! Laughing

I lol'd
altitude2k on 23 Mar '10
How?
I just can't contemplate how it'll work. Confused

Nor can I, but I'm sure Nintnedo wouldn't make it if it didn't work or was rubbish.

Virtual Boy you say?
only_777 on 23 Mar '10
we must all be wearing our "Nintendo please rape the sh#t out of me" t-shirts...
Arry Rotter on 23 Mar '10
Oh my god, now Nintendo are copying Sony with their 3D gaming!

Just how will they achieve 3D gaming without the need for glasses? Confused

Maybe it'll be like one of those old 'magic eye' pictures that you have to stare at for 20 minutes to get working. There's gonna be a lot of cross-eyed kids sitting on the bus next year.
Squall5005 on 23 Mar '10
Does every thread have to revolve around one console copying the other. For your info PS move was being developed before wii was announced.
3D without glasses is easy on a handheld because only one person is looking at the screen.
I think ill wait for the full spec's before i decide to buy it
nuggit3000 on 23 Mar '10
Wow, pretty cool. Took me a while to fully understand this is in fact a new handheld.
But as it's backwards compatible with the DS, we can expect 2 screens, at least one touch sensitive.
I'm loving the 3D idea though, knew they'd have something more interesting that just "gamecube power, 2 bigger screens, accelerometer"
gothchild on 23 Mar '10
to get a 3D effect without glasses is for the screen to display two images that have filters that are applied to create the effect .. think of it as the Screen wearing 3d galsses internally and you see the result.

problem is the resolution isn't that great on the TV's that do that, so how it's going to be on a handheld system i have no idea.. not to mention cost.
Terranova1 on 23 Mar '10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWAg1s7xfz0&feature=player_embedded
this is probably how it will work.
Take note, this is a current generation dsiware game.
jazzy_p on 23 Mar '10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWAg1s7xfz0&feature=player_embedded

This might be how they are planning on doing it without the glasses.
Gauntletz on 23 Mar '10
Does every thread have to revolve around one console copying the other. For your info PS move was being developed before wii was announced.

And do you think they announced the Wii before they started developing that?
altitude2k on 23 Mar '10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWAg1s7xfz0&feature=player_embedded
this is probably how it will work.
Take note, this is a current generation dsiware game.

Wow thats pretty damn cool.
WHERESMYMONKEY on 23 Mar '10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWAg1s7xfz0&feature=player_embedded

This might be how they are planning on doing it without the glasses.

It's rumoured that they're using another method that uses 3 or 4 layers of display. There's a tech demo of it somewhere working on a phone.
altitude2k on 23 Mar '10
i suppose that with a users head being in such close proximity the on board camera could easily track a users head movements and adjust the scene accordingly
buffig on 23 Mar '10
Does every thread have to revolve around one console copying the other. For your info PS move was being developed before wii was announced.

And do you think they announced the Wii before they started developing that?

I don't even get where this story of Sony developing Move before the wii comes from. All I've seen is them using the Eyetoy for tracking. That's more like Natal, not wii. Accelerometers are totally different.

There have been various motion controls for years, but Sony copied Nintendo on this one. It's no big deal, they all take ideas and change/improve them.
ricflair on 23 Mar '10
so just spent my money on the dsxl and i already know its dead in the water as next installment of the ds franchise is already gonna blow this one away. what a waste of time and money from my part.

You do realize you bought something from Nintendo?, ..specially known for making mass-versions of a version of a version?

Sorry to hear that, but it was kinda expected, they do like to make plenty of versions so they can keep raking in the money.

It's us fools that buy the tripe.
KMakawa on 23 Mar '10
this sounds awesome. i expect the machine to be quite powerful in order to do this 3D malarky.

Could nintendo be getting their mojo back?

Roll on E3.
shellster2 on 23 Mar '10
They're unlikely to release a dubious handheld - they'll innovate once again and continue to dominate the handheld market.

They're 3d tech is their key differentiating element which they hope will make their product stand head and shoulder above apple products, and other mobile devices.

Nintendo aren't stupid guys. They're shrewd business monkeys.
ranaraptor on 23 Mar '10
I said that Nintendo would enter the world of 3D gaming. Admittedly I said it about the next Wii (which might be right yet...) but even then people just laughed and said they wouldn't be interested. I said they would because it was gimmicky and now they have. I'm a better analyst than all those other pretenders.
wrightandrewjame on 23 Mar '10
Had a feeling they would have a new handheld out soon. Normally its like clockwork around the release and marketing of a third version of their current handheld but in this case its around their fourth. They go and make folk spend Ł159.99 RRP on the DSi XL and then all of a sudden it's "Oh hai guyz, thank you for spending Ł159.99 on the DSi XL but now we have a brand spanking new successor handheld on the way that you may be interested in" Customer: Mad

Normally I don't buy any model after the original but this time I bought the DS Phat on release at Ł99.99 (the RRP) and then bought an original DSi at release which cost me Ł149.99(the RRP) and now I feel ripped off too.
Sonic_Freak on 23 Mar '10
An early april fool me thinks.
chillimayhem on 23 Mar '10
Does every thread have to revolve around one console copying the other. For your info PS move was being developed before wii was announced.

And do you think they announced the Wii before they started developing that?

I don't even get where this story of Sony developing Move before the wii comes from. All I've seen is them using the Eyetoy for tracking. That's more like Natal, not wii. Accelerometers are totally different.

There have been various motion controls for years, but Sony copied Nintendo on this one. It's no big deal, they all take ideas and change/improve them.

CHeck out this video from 2004, the creator of Move, using a camera to track move like controlers.
Im not saying that SOny havent taking 'ideas' from Wii, (like Nunchuck and accelerometer) but this shows that Move has been on the cards for a long time.

You Tube
nuggit3000 on 23 Mar '10
Does every thread have to revolve around one console copying the other. For your info PS move was being developed before wii was announced.

And do you think they announced the Wii before they started developing that?

I don't even get where this story of Sony developing Move before the wii comes from. All I've seen is them using the Eyetoy for tracking. That's more like Natal, not wii. Accelerometers are totally different.

There have been various motion controls for years, but Sony copied Nintendo on this one. It's no big deal, they all take ideas and change/improve them.

CHeck out this video from 2004, the creator of Move, using a camera to track move like controlers.
Im not saying that SOny havent taking 'ideas' from Wii, (like Nunchuck and accelerometer) but this shows that Move has been on the cards for a long time.

You Tube

All that is is the camera tracking coloured balls. This was being done by a few companies (including sony) at the time of the eyetoy release. Uses this to help with the pointer but the majority of the Move controller is pretty much an exact copy of the wii controllers even down to the nunchuck type secondary controller.
leefear1 on 23 Mar '10
i suppose that with a users head being in such close proximity the on board camera could easily track a users head movements and adjust the scene accordingly

I doubt they would go the that expense when the user is almost always viewing from the sweet spot.
leefear1 on 23 Mar '10
There are 3D tellies in the Xscape near us that seem to use a sort of lenticular system (at least that's what it looks like to me) but it's very strange. They have a demo running where these cubes appear to rotate out of the screen. It looks ok but is a bit of a strain on the eyes. Nintendo tend to only do these sort of things when they can do thm properly though, so maybe they are on to something. I remember in the early days of GB that they had a colour version working well years before it was actually released, but they held it back because of the battery life. They wanted the best experience so they waited until that could be achieved. It's going to be an interesting year...
roughtext on 23 Mar '10
Well, this came totally out of left field...

It sounds interesting though.
milky_joe on 23 Mar '10
There's going to have to be some clever work done to make touchscreen work well with a 3D display.
altitude2k on 23 Mar '10
There are 3D tellies in the Xscape near us that seem to use a sort of lenticular system (at least that's what it looks like to me) but it's very strange. They have a demo running where these cubes appear to rotate out of the screen. It looks ok but is a bit of a strain on the eyes. Nintendo tend to only do these sort of things when they can do thm properly though, so maybe they are on to something. I remember in the early days of GB that they had a colour version working well years before it was actually released, but they held it back because of the battery life. They wanted the best experience so they waited until that could be achieved. It's going to be an interesting year...

That the MK Xscape? Saw them when I was there last - looked absolutely shocking.
altitude2k on 23 Mar '10
Apparently Nvidia are making the graphics chip for it, using their in development Tegra 2 chip. Here's a video of it running a modified UT3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpGtu_ZkwqA

Also: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/10/13/nvidia-tegra-wins-contract-for-next-gen-nintendo-ds.aspx
http://www.slashgear.com/tegra-2-confirmed-for-next-gen-nintendo-ds-say-sources-1663572/
BattleMoose87 on 23 Mar '10
http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=7200

Watch that video. It is f**king amazing.
I haven't bought a DS of any kind, so I'm definitely going to be getting the DS3D on the launch day.
Sinthetic on 23 Mar '10
No it was the Castleford one but I believe they are the same. The effect made me blink and try and re-focus a lot but it did give a sort of 3D impression. It's got to be better than that. I've also looked at that demo on Kotaku and that is quite a clever take on the 3D and exists now. It'll probably be something like that - depth of field rather than poppy-outy (that's a recognised industry term btw)
roughtext on 23 Mar '10
Does every thread have to revolve around one console copying the other. For your info PS move was being developed before wii was announced.

And do you think they announced the Wii before they started developing that?

I don't even get where this story of Sony developing Move before the wii comes from. All I've seen is them using the Eyetoy for tracking. That's more like Natal, not wii. Accelerometers are totally different.

There have been various motion controls for years, but Sony copied Nintendo on this one. It's no big deal, they all take ideas and change/improve them.

CHeck out this video from 2004, the creator of Move, using a camera to track move like controlers.
Im not saying that SOny havent taking 'ideas' from Wii, (like Nunchuck and accelerometer) but this shows that Move has been on the cards for a long time.

You Tube

All that is is the camera tracking coloured balls. This was being done by a few companies (including sony) at the time of the eyetoy release. Uses this to help with the pointer but the majority of the Move controller is pretty much an exact copy of the wii controllers even down to the nunchuck type secondary controller.

That's what I was getting at. And I'm sure Nintendo didn't just cobble the wiimote idea/tech together just before E3 2005(?).

People have been looking at motion control for years - the DC was using it for Sega Bass Fishing, Samba etc before the PS2 was even released. In fact if Nintendo copied anyone, it's probably Sega. Their arcade heritage was great for innovation like this.

Anyway, Gordon Brown won't be getting a 3DS I assume.
ricflair on 23 Mar '10
I'm sure they know what they're doing, but i have to admit that i'm a little disappointed. - I'd much rather have had a more traditional handheld, sporting GameCube quality graphics and with the ability to download from the Gamecube's back catalogue. - I guess i shouldn't be surprised anymore by Nintendo's eagerness to innovate and push boundaries. - It's just that by saying the system will be backwards compatible with DS strongly suggests that graphical capability will remain similar. - Admittedly, graphical capability remains slightly less important than accessible gaming on handhelds, but they really should start to push their own tech forward, in terms of visuals.
carterlink on 23 Mar '10
A 3D DS? You mean a DS that can do decent 3D graphics? Nahhh
dannybuoy on 23 Mar '10
Does every thread have to revolve around one console copying the other. For your info PS move was being developed before wii was announced.

And do you think they announced the Wii before they started developing that?

I don't even get where this story of Sony developing Move before the wii comes from. All I've seen is them using the Eyetoy for tracking. That's more like Natal, not wii. Accelerometers are totally different.

There have been various motion controls for years, but Sony copied Nintendo on this one. It's no big deal, they all take ideas and change/improve them.

CHeck out this video from 2004, the creator of Move, using a camera to track move like controlers.
Im not saying that SOny havent taking 'ideas' from Wii, (like Nunchuck and accelerometer) but this shows that Move has been on the cards for a long time.

You Tube

All that is is the camera tracking coloured balls. This was being done by a few companies (including sony) at the time of the eyetoy release. Uses this to help with the pointer but the majority of the Move controller is pretty much an exact copy of the wii controllers even down to the nunchuck type secondary controller.

That's what I was getting at. And I'm sure Nintendo didn't just cobble the wiimote idea/tech together just before E3 2005(?).

People have been looking at motion control for years - the DC was using it for Sega Bass Fishing, Samba etc before the PS2 was even released. In fact if Nintendo copied anyone, it's probably Sega. Their arcade heritage was great for innovation like this.

Anyway, Gordon Brown won't be getting a 3DS I assume.

Unless it does use headtracking as per these videos that are floating around. Then he could.
altitude2k on 23 Mar '10
Good point. Lucky old Gordon, I think he might have some more time on his hands next year anyway!

And just because it's backwards compatible doesn't mean it won't have better graphics. My old DS Tank played GBA games and the DS graphics were a generation ahead of the GBA.
ricflair on 23 Mar '10
Good point. Lucky old Gordon, I think he might have some more time on his hands next year anyway!

And just because it's backwards compatible doesn't mean it won't have better graphics. My old DS Tank played GBA games and the DS graphics were a generation ahead of the GBA.

You mean this hasn't put you off voting Conservative?!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WnxiSuPkz2c/S0RR0Z7Z65I/AAAAAAAACN0/iLnwqWY0gDQ/S1600-R/David+Cameron,+Year+for+Change+campaign+poster.jpg
altitude2k on 23 Mar '10
Good point. Lucky old Gordon, I think he might have some more time on his hands next year anyway!

And just because it's backwards compatible doesn't mean it won't have better graphics. My old DS Tank played GBA games and the DS graphics were a generation ahead of the GBA.

You mean this hasn't put you off voting Conservative?!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WnxiSuPkz2c/S0RR0Z7Z65I/AAAAAAAACN0/iLnwqWY0gDQ/S1600-R/David+Cameron,+Year+for+Change+campaign+poster.jpg

Reminds me of Robocop when he has his helmet removed: http://allegedlylegit.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/robocop31.jpg
BattleMoose87 on 23 Mar '10
Nintendo are on the ball yet again........smart stuff.
Amish McSwegan on 23 Mar '10
Good point. Lucky old Gordon, I think he might have some more time on his hands next year anyway!

And just because it's backwards compatible doesn't mean it won't have better graphics. My old DS Tank played GBA games and the DS graphics were a generation ahead of the GBA.

You mean this hasn't put you off voting Conservative?!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WnxiSuPkz2c/S0RR0Z7Z65I/AAAAAAAACN0/iLnwqWY0gDQ/S1600-R/David+Cameron,+Year+for+Change+campaign+poster.jpg

Reminds me of Robocop when he has his helmet removed: http://allegedlylegit.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/robocop31.jpg

I think robocop with his helmet off looks more human.

Cameron looks like he's about to shed his skin and reveal the small alien living inside his crude mechanical body.
WHERESMYMONKEY on 23 Mar '10
Good point. Lucky old Gordon, I think he might have some more time on his hands next year anyway!

And just because it's backwards compatible doesn't mean it won't have better graphics. My old DS Tank played GBA games and the DS graphics were a generation ahead of the GBA.

You mean this hasn't put you off voting Conservative?!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WnxiSuPkz2c/S0RR0Z7Z65I/AAAAAAAACN0/iLnwqWY0gDQ/S1600-R/David+Cameron,+Year+for+Change+campaign+poster.jpg

Reminds me of Robocop when he has his helmet removed: http://allegedlylegit.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/robocop31.jpg

I think robocop with his helmet off looks more human.

Cameron looks like he's about to shed his skin and reveal the small alien living inside his crude mechanical body.

The large quantity of airbrushing on his forehead makes me feel bad about the health of my skin. I feel a smear campaign coming on...
altitude2k on 23 Mar '10
Good point. Lucky old Gordon, I think he might have some more time on his hands next year anyway!

And just because it's backwards compatible doesn't mean it won't have better graphics. My old DS Tank played GBA games and the DS graphics were a generation ahead of the GBA.

You mean this hasn't put you off voting Conservative?!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WnxiSuPkz2c/S0RR0Z7Z65I/AAAAAAAACN0/iLnwqWY0gDQ/S1600-R/David+Cameron,+Year+for+Change+campaign+poster.jpg

Reminds me of Robocop when he has his helmet removed: http://allegedlylegit.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/robocop31.jpg

I think robocop with his helmet off looks more human.

Cameron looks like he's about to shed his skin and reveal the small alien living inside his crude mechanical body.

Like this? http://www.drunkendata.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/men-in-black-alien.jpg
BattleMoose87 on 23 Mar '10
Good point. Lucky old Gordon, I think he might have some more time on his hands next year anyway!

And just because it's backwards compatible doesn't mean it won't have better graphics. My old DS Tank played GBA games and the DS graphics were a generation ahead of the GBA.

You mean this hasn't put you off voting Conservative?!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WnxiSuPkz2c/S0RR0Z7Z65I/AAAAAAAACN0/iLnwqWY0gDQ/S1600-R/David+Cameron,+Year+for+Change+campaign+poster.jpg

Reminds me of Robocop when he has his helmet removed: http://allegedlylegit.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/robocop31.jpg

I think robocop with his helmet off looks more human.

Cameron looks like he's about to shed his skin and reveal the small alien living inside his crude mechanical body.

Like this? http://www.drunkendata.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/men-in-black-alien.jpg

How has this thread developed into a party political brodcast for the Nazi.... sorry...Labour party?
leefear1 on 23 Mar '10
Good point. Lucky old Gordon, I think he might have some more time on his hands next year anyway!

And just because it's backwards compatible doesn't mean it won't have better graphics. My old DS Tank played GBA games and the DS graphics were a generation ahead of the GBA.

You mean this hasn't put you off voting Conservative?!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WnxiSuPkz2c/S0RR0Z7Z65I/AAAAAAAACN0/iLnwqWY0gDQ/S1600-R/David+Cameron,+Year+for+Change+campaign+poster.jpg

Reminds me of Robocop when he has his helmet removed: http://allegedlylegit.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/robocop31.jpg

I think robocop with his helmet off looks more human.

Cameron looks like he's about to shed his skin and reveal the small alien living inside his crude mechanical body.

Like this? http://www.drunkendata.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/men-in-black-alien.jpg

The galaxy....is on....Orion's....belt.
altitude2k on 23 Mar '10
Good point. Lucky old Gordon, I think he might have some more time on his hands next year anyway!

And just because it's backwards compatible doesn't mean it won't have better graphics. My old DS Tank played GBA games and the DS graphics were a generation ahead of the GBA.

You mean this hasn't put you off voting Conservative?!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WnxiSuPkz2c/S0RR0Z7Z65I/AAAAAAAACN0/iLnwqWY0gDQ/S1600-R/David+Cameron,+Year+for+Change+campaign+poster.jpg

Nice! There are a few from off topic here - http://forums.computerandvideogames.com/viewtopic.php?t=104029

This is one I did a few weeks back - http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/cameron.php?poster=127186

For the record, I have no political allegiance!
ricflair on 23 Mar '10
Good point. Lucky old Gordon, I think he might have some more time on his hands next year anyway!

And just because it's backwards compatible doesn't mean it won't have better graphics. My old DS Tank played GBA games and the DS graphics were a generation ahead of the GBA.

You mean this hasn't put you off voting Conservative?!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WnxiSuPkz2c/S0RR0Z7Z65I/AAAAAAAACN0/iLnwqWY0gDQ/S1600-R/David+Cameron,+Year+for+Change+campaign+poster.jpg

Nice! There are a few from off topic here - http://forums.computerandvideogames.com/viewtopic.php?t=104029

This is one I did a few weeks back - http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/cameron.php?poster=127186

For the record, I have no political allegiance!

I was on the fence until I saw that poster. True story.
altitude2k on 23 Mar '10
Good point. Lucky old Gordon, I think he might have some more time on his hands next year anyway!

And just because it's backwards compatible doesn't mean it won't have better graphics. My old DS Tank played GBA games and the DS graphics were a generation ahead of the GBA.

You mean this hasn't put you off voting Conservative?!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WnxiSuPkz2c/S0RR0Z7Z65I/AAAAAAAACN0/iLnwqWY0gDQ/S1600-R/David+Cameron,+Year+for+Change+campaign+poster.jpg

Nice! There are a few from off topic here - http://forums.computerandvideogames.com/viewtopic.php?t=104029

This is one I did a few weeks back - http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/cameron.php?poster=127186

For the record, I have no political allegiance!

I was on the fence until I saw that poster. True story.

I suggest you base your vote on issues and policies rather than posters........

Or is that just me being dumb.....?
leefear1 on 23 Mar '10
Good point. Lucky old Gordon, I think he might have some more time on his hands next year anyway!

And just because it's backwards compatible doesn't mean it won't have better graphics. My old DS Tank played GBA games and the DS graphics were a generation ahead of the GBA.

You mean this hasn't put you off voting Conservative?!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WnxiSuPkz2c/S0RR0Z7Z65I/AAAAAAAACN0/iLnwqWY0gDQ/S1600-R/David+Cameron,+Year+for+Change+campaign+poster.jpg

Nice! There are a few from off topic here - http://forums.computerandvideogames.com/viewtopic.php?t=104029

This is one I did a few weeks back - http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/cameron.php?poster=127186

For the record, I have no political allegiance!

I was on the fence until I saw that poster. True story.

I suggest you base your vote on issues and policies rather than posters........

Or is that just me being dumb.....?

That type of logical thinking doesn't work these days! I don't think you understand how modern politics works dude - it's all about the PR/spin!

Considering Simon Cowell told Newsnight he would be interested in making a political show, it COULD happen!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/8412617.stm
ricflair on 23 Mar '10
Good point. Lucky old Gordon, I think he might have some more time on his hands next year anyway!

And just because it's backwards compatible doesn't mean it won't have better graphics. My old DS Tank played GBA games and the DS graphics were a generation ahead of the GBA.

You mean this hasn't put you off voting Conservative?!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WnxiSuPkz2c/S0RR0Z7Z65I/AAAAAAAACN0/iLnwqWY0gDQ/S1600-R/David+Cameron,+Year+for+Change+campaign+poster.jpg

Nice! There are a few from off topic here - http://forums.computerandvideogames.com/viewtopic.php?t=104029

This is one I did a few weeks back - http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/cameron.php?poster=127186

For the record, I have no political allegiance!

I was on the fence until I saw that poster. True story.

I suggest you base your vote on issues and policies rather than posters........

Or is that just me being dumb.....?

For me, the problem isn't the poster itself, it's the attitude of the man who felt it was appropriate to allow the poster in the first place.

His smugness for doing so says a lot to me about him, his attitude and his ability to govern.

I care more about whether I think he'll do a good job of running the country than how pretty he looks on a poster. Clearly he doesn't.
altitude2k on 23 Mar '10
Good point. Lucky old Gordon, I think he might have some more time on his hands next year anyway!

And just because it's backwards compatible doesn't mean it won't have better graphics. My old DS Tank played GBA games and the DS graphics were a generation ahead of the GBA.

You mean this hasn't put you off voting Conservative?!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WnxiSuPkz2c/S0RR0Z7Z65I/AAAAAAAACN0/iLnwqWY0gDQ/S1600-R/David+Cameron,+Year+for+Change+campaign+poster.jpg

Nice! There are a few from off topic here - http://forums.computerandvideogames.com/viewtopic.php?t=104029

This is one I did a few weeks back - http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/cameron.php?poster=127186

For the record, I have no political allegiance!

I was on the fence until I saw that poster. True story.

I suggest you base your vote on issues and policies rather than posters........

Or is that just me being dumb.....?

For me, the problem isn't the poster itself, it's the attitude of the man who felt it was appropriate to allow the poster in the first place.

His smugness for doing so says a lot to me about him, his attitude and his ability to govern.

I care more about whether I think he'll do a good job of running the country than how pretty he looks on a poster. Clearly he doesn't.

And what about the attitude of the man that felt it appropriate to allow this Poster?

As I say best to ignore the posters and focus on the policies.
leefear1 on 23 Mar '10
Does every thread have to revolve around one console copying the other. For your info PS move was being developed before wii was announced.

And do you think they announced the Wii before they started developing that?

I don't even get where this story of Sony developing Move before the wii comes from. All I've seen is them using the Eyetoy for tracking. That's more like Natal, not wii. Accelerometers are totally different.

There have been various motion controls for years, but Sony copied Nintendo on this one. It's no big deal, they all take ideas and change/improve them.

CHeck out this video from 2004, the creator of Move, using a camera to track move like controlers.
Im not saying that SOny havent taking 'ideas' from Wii, (like Nunchuck and accelerometer) but this shows that Move has been on the cards for a long time.

You Tube

All that is is the camera tracking coloured balls. This was being done by a few companies (including sony) at the time of the eyetoy release. Uses this to help with the pointer but the majority of the Move controller is pretty much an exact copy of the wii controllers even down to the nunchuck type secondary controller.

Thats exactly what I said, while its clear some aspects have been borrowed from Nintendo, it wasn't just a case of "look, people by motion crap, lets do some". They have been working on it for a long time.

When it comes down to it, whenever anyone has a good idea in any industry, people will copy it.

Otherwise, we'd all be driving cars with heavy steering, and actually have to unlock doors with a key, and we'd all still be using Atari style joysticks, or even a Pong style paddle
nuggit3000 on 23 Mar '10
Does every thread have to revolve around one console copying the other. For your info PS move was being developed before wii was announced.

And do you think they announced the Wii before they started developing that?

I don't even get where this story of Sony developing Move before the wii comes from. All I've seen is them using the Eyetoy for tracking. That's more like Natal, not wii. Accelerometers are totally different.

There have been various motion controls for years, but Sony copied Nintendo on this one. It's no big deal, they all take ideas and change/improve them.

CHeck out this video from 2004, the creator of Move, using a camera to track move like controlers.
Im not saying that SOny havent taking 'ideas' from Wii, (like Nunchuck and accelerometer) but this shows that Move has been on the cards for a long time.

You Tube

All that is is the camera tracking coloured balls. This was being done by a few companies (including sony) at the time of the eyetoy release. Uses this to help with the pointer but the majority of the Move controller is pretty much an exact copy of the wii controllers even down to the nunchuck type secondary controller.

Thats exactly what I said, while its clear some aspects have been borrowed from Nintendo, it wasn't just a case of "look, people by motion crap, lets do some". They have been working on it for a long time.

When it comes down to it, whenever anyone has a good idea in any industry, people will copy it.

Otherwise, we'd all be driving cars with heavy steering, and actually have to unlock doors with a key, and we'd all still be using Atari style joysticks, or even a Pong style paddle

Agreed, however I think it is the way they have even ripped off the general design of the wiimote too that has drawn the main criticism. They could have at least come up with their own design..... it smacks of being rushed out to compete with wii.
leefear1 on 23 Mar '10
Good point. Lucky old Gordon, I think he might have some more time on his hands next year anyway!

And just because it's backwards compatible doesn't mean it won't have better graphics. My old DS Tank played GBA games and the DS graphics were a generation ahead of the GBA.

You mean this hasn't put you off voting Conservative?!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WnxiSuPkz2c/S0RR0Z7Z65I/AAAAAAAACN0/iLnwqWY0gDQ/S1600-R/David+Cameron,+Year+for+Change+campaign+poster.jpg

Nice! There are a few from off topic here - http://forums.computerandvideogames.com/viewtopic.php?t=104029

This is one I did a few weeks back - http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/cameron.php?poster=127186

For the record, I have no political allegiance!

I was on the fence until I saw that poster. True story.

I suggest you base your vote on issues and policies rather than posters........

Or is that just me being dumb.....?

For me, the problem isn't the poster itself, it's the attitude of the man who felt it was appropriate to allow the poster in the first place.

His smugness for doing so says a lot to me about him, his attitude and his ability to govern.

I care more about whether I think he'll do a good job of running the country than how pretty he looks on a poster. Clearly he doesn't.

And what about the attitude of the man that felt it appropriate to allow this Poster?

As I say best to ignore the posters and focus on the policies.

I disagree. The intricacies like these are what really tell us the truth about politicians. I'd rather have a bloke in power who turns to a blithering idiot when he tries to do PR, but you know works damned hard - even if he does make mistakes, than some smug git who thinks he's got number 10 in the bag, and rides his whole campaign on disagreeing with the competition.

For a long time now I've realised that their policies aren't generally worth the paper they're written on.
altitude2k on 23 Mar '10
Good point. Lucky old Gordon, I think he might have some more time on his hands next year anyway!

And just because it's backwards compatible doesn't mean it won't have better graphics. My old DS Tank played GBA games and the DS graphics were a generation ahead of the GBA.

You mean this hasn't put you off voting Conservative?!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WnxiSuPkz2c/S0RR0Z7Z65I/AAAAAAAACN0/iLnwqWY0gDQ/S1600-R/David+Cameron,+Year+for+Change+campaign+poster.jpg

Nice! There are a few from off topic here - http://forums.computerandvideogames.com/viewtopic.php?t=104029

This is one I did a few weeks back - http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/cameron.php?poster=127186

For the record, I have no political allegiance!

I was on the fence until I saw that poster. True story.

I suggest you base your vote on issues and policies rather than posters........

Or is that just me being dumb.....?

For me, the problem isn't the poster itself, it's the attitude of the man who felt it was appropriate to allow the poster in the first place.

His smugness for doing so says a lot to me about him, his attitude and his ability to govern.

I care more about whether I think he'll do a good job of running the country than how pretty he looks on a poster. Clearly he doesn't.

And what about the attitude of the man that felt it appropriate to allow this Poster?

As I say best to ignore the posters and focus on the policies.

I disagree. The intricacies like these are what really tell us the truth about politicians. I'd rather have a bloke in power who turns to a blithering idiot when he tries to do PR, but you know works damned hard - even if he does make mistakes, than some smug git who thinks he's got number 10 in the bag, and rides his whole campaign on disagreeing with the competition.

For a long time now I've realised that their policies aren't generally worth the paper they're written on.

A FEW MISTAKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and lies, and lies and lies and li...............

Never trust a man who scares children with his smile............

(and yes that did require that many exclamation marks)
leefear1 on 23 Mar '10
Good point. Lucky old Gordon, I think he might have some more time on his hands next year anyway!

And just because it's backwards compatible doesn't mean it won't have better graphics. My old DS Tank played GBA games and the DS graphics were a generation ahead of the GBA.

You mean this hasn't put you off voting Conservative?!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WnxiSuPkz2c/S0RR0Z7Z65I/AAAAAAAACN0/iLnwqWY0gDQ/S1600-R/David+Cameron,+Year+for+Change+campaign+poster.jpg

Reminds me of Robocop when he has his helmet removed: http://allegedlylegit.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/robocop31.jpg

I think robocop with his helmet off looks more human.

Cameron looks like he's about to shed his skin and reveal the small alien living inside his crude mechanical body.

I've always thought that David Cameron looks like Eric Bristows secret love-child.

There's a definite similarity there.

Smile
ParmaViolet on 23 Mar '10
I've changed my mind. - My initial reaction was that it all sounded a bit 'DSI'. Just another slightly enhanced version of the DS, but as more info trickles through, it's all beginning to sound rather exciting. I can't wait for E3! Who the hell cares about Natal anymore?!
carterlink on 23 Mar '10
I've changed my mind. - My initial reaction was that it all sounded a bit 'DSI'. Just another slightly enhanced version of the DS, but as more info trickles through, it's all beginning to sound rather exciting. I can't wait for E3! Who the hell cares about Natal anymore?!

Well I'm not really sure how a 3D handheld really effects the 360's motion device, but I'm glad I didn't by a DSi or DSiXL now!
only_777 on 23 Mar '10
Oh... Oh god! Ah! Ahhh...
Right, who's picking up the cleaning bill for my underpants? Iwata? Reggie?
mrlister on 23 Mar '10
Anyone else worried about the future of E3 seeing as Nintendo didn't wait until then to announce it?
euanb123 on 23 Mar '10
I've changed my mind. - My initial reaction was that it all sounded a bit 'DSI'. Just another slightly enhanced version of the DS, but as more info trickles through, it's all beginning to sound rather exciting. I can't wait for E3! Who the hell cares about Natal anymore?!

Well I'm not really sure how a 3D handheld really effects the 360's motion device, but I'm glad I didn't by a DSi or DSiXL now!

It doesn't. - It was a tongue in cheek remark. - Just meant that this was exciting and interesting news and certainly what i'll be looking forward to seeing at E3, as opposed to some Microsoft execs jumping around infront of a tv screen.
carterlink on 23 Mar '10
I dont see the difficulty in pulling out this.

Usuarly what the 3D glasses do is "shutter" each frame alternatively ,if those frames are correctly worked out in colours etc to just appeal to 1 of the eyes the end result is the 3D stereoscopic view.

Now ,with a propietary LCD display that can shutter the frames as you wish and software content that has to be approved by Nintendo (and guided until then) to met the standards of the hardware its pretty easy to do this.

Its way more difficult to pull this off in the home consoles ,that have to work with non-propietary TVs of multiple standards and that work with tons of different and unapproved content.
Diomedes1977 on 23 Mar '10
You would have to look at the screen head on, which i guess isn't a problem but Nintendo will have to change their adverts in which two people are playing the same game.
Ollie2113 on 23 Mar '10
I've changed my mind. - My initial reaction was that it all sounded a bit 'DSI'. Just another slightly enhanced version of the DS, but as more info trickles through, it's all beginning to sound rather exciting. I can't wait for E3! Who the hell cares about Natal anymore?!

Well I'm not really sure how a 3D handheld really effects the 360's motion device, but I'm glad I didn't by a DSi or DSiXL now!

It doesn't. - It was a tongue in cheek remark. - Just meant that this was exciting and interesting news and certainly what i'll be looking forward to seeing at E3, as opposed to some Microsoft execs jumping around infront of a tv screen.

In that case...+1
only_777 on 23 Mar '10
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