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Games cause depression - The Sun

Psychologist in UK newspaper warns that Modern Warfare is 'highly addictive'
A 'leading psychologist' has claimed that video games are addictive and cause depression in The Sun newspaper.

Steve Pope wrote in Saturday's newspaper that Modern Warfare was "highly addictive" and that games were "one reason we are becoming more violent" as a society.

Pope's claims come after actress-come-'sexpert' Julie Peasgood said that video games "promote racism" on ITV1's Alan Titchmarsh Show - a comment disputed by CVG on air.

Pope wrote: 'Last year a premier league football club called me in to try to find out why the players weren't playing well in away games. I found that on the coaches to the matches they were all playing computer games.'

He later adds: 'One of the games causing many problems is the warfare series Call Of Duty. It is highly addictive and people play for hours on end. They spend all day killing people, then come off it and have to go about their daily business. I believe such games are one reason we are getting more violent.'

In one final swipe, he comments: 'I've got several patients who are what would be clinically termed addicted to... computer games. These things set the brain up for a pattern of gross fluctuation, too many highs and lows. For a short time, they can make people feel valued and boost their self-esteem. When they realise these feelings don't last, some people - particularly youngsters - can become down, even having feelings of depression.'

Cheers to CVG forumite dark_gamer for the spot.

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Contrary to popular belief gaming isn't the cause of societys problems, ignorance and bad behaviour are.
Athrun888 on 22 Mar '10
Nothing depresses me more than Alan Titchmarsh.

That tosser should have a health warning stitched into his pathetic jumpers.
Mark240473 on 22 Mar '10
I honestly believe that poeple who become addicted to anything are those who don't have much varity going on in their lives.

I'm getting a bit fed up of everyone ganging up on gaming. Other forms of media have aspects which are just as violent but don't get the coverage as much as they used too. I think eventually, this unhealthy obsession they have with videogames will calm down.

Peasgoods comments on the Titchmarsh show were an absolute joke. The woman was commenting on a subject she knows next to nothing about. My compliments to Tim for doing a good job defending our pastime up against a group of people who are attacking something based on 'what they've heard', rather than the actual facts.
monty_79 on 22 Mar '10
The only thing that causes depression are stories like the one before this one 'more GT5 screenshots - still no release date'. Not the game, just not getting the game, thats depressing.

Not having enough money to buy all the games that come out that you want, thats depressing.

But playing games, never I won't hear it, not unless it's sub-standard when it had the potential to be a great game. In that case you should have researched whether the game was any good in the first place and saved yourself from depression.
paul_brown940 on 22 Mar '10
yea and movies turn us all in to zombies and birds fly out off my ass this guy knows nothing but the s**t hes told to say
lordjamie4 on 22 Mar '10
Here's my rebutal. People that read the sun are retarded. If you don't have the intelligence to read a newspaper that has a higher reading age than 8 you deserve to be miss informed by hacks and nerdowells.

Gaming doesn't casue the depression, its what a lot of people turn to becasue they're depressed. What major instution helps to spread depression and mis trust. The bloody tabloids. If we were to listen to the sun then everyone you meet wants to rape your mother, kill your father and pinch your wallet and run off with your wife.

hypocritical bastards!!!
WHERESMYMONKEY on 22 Mar '10
hmmmmm funny that Kelvin Mckenize was on the Tit show and he also writes for the sun............and then a story like this breaks in the sun.

And if anyone did read the paper on saturday there was a story about the sunderland lads playing warefare and they were lining up to play against chelsea. The funny thing is they were advertising some of the players gamer tags too. that sounds like a promotion to me.

and why is it always Modern Warefare that gets the flak? Isnt World of Warcraft proven to be more adictive? did China ban over use of that game on the internet?

I still dont understand how games can make you violent if you are a normal minded gamer. I think thats just an excuse to find a blame for violence on the streets.Getting really angry at all this s**t now.
lashed on 22 Mar '10
Were not going to start listening to the Currant Bun are we? They wouldnt know an honest story if it walked into their newsdesk and politley sat on their lap!
StonecoldMC on 22 Mar '10
yea and movies turn us all in to zombies and birds fly out off my ass this guy knows nothing but the s**t hes told to say

Can we concentrate on the real issue here, 'movies turn us into zombies and lordjamie4 has birds that fly out of his ass.' I know it's not in a paper but if he says it then it must be so. More importantly do the birds come out beak first or do they climb out with their little feet to prevent any discomfort???? Smile
paul_brown940 on 22 Mar '10
Stupid w****rs. So that's the only reason that 'footballers' weren't playing well? Maybe they're a s**t team? Maybe their lives feel cold and empty because they can buy whatever they want but they can't buy happiness?

Who knows... But video games aren't addictive... I can play games all day and then not need to for ages. I don't get the SHAKES or anything because I haven't had my fix...

Drugs, alcohol and mind altering substances cause addictions. Gaming is just like watching a film, if anything, gaming can help me feel less stressed and more relaxed.

I am FED up of these stupid allegations against the gaming industry. Ignorant s**ts.
IbanezLewis on 22 Mar '10
Poppyc**k! Videogames don't cause depression.

*Reaches for razorblades*
Stu_the_great on 22 Mar '10
MW2 was only as addictive as the length of the first playthrough. And any depression was down to the huge let down this game was. Wink

And I agree with Athrun888 also add drugs alcohol and poor parenting of most teenagers. Allow parents to strike their kids when needed again I say, It worked for most of us I'm sure.
gogo65uk on 22 Mar '10
why say it myself when MR.Brooker says it so much better

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/22/charlie-brooker-newspapers-dangerous-drug
WHERESMYMONKEY on 22 Mar '10
No, Ibenzlewis. gaming is not like watching a film. You watch a film once or twice. You dont have choices to make while watching and you dont take control of the protagonist.

You play a game many times, for hours on end. You take control of the character and you become that character, so to speak.

MW2 is an awful game, and is bad for the gaming industry. Another game that is not needed, is the serial-kill' em-up Manhunt and its sequel. They paint a poor picture for those that do not understand gaming.
Speciala on 22 Mar '10
"They spend all day killing people, then come off it and have to go about their daily business. I believe such games are one reason we are getting more violent.'


Maybe I'm mistaken, I've been playing games for so many years that I just can't distinguish the difference between virtual reality and reality, but last time I checked the characters running about on the TV were NOT real!

I must admit though, Modern Warfare 2 did cause depression for me, mainly due to it being a **** game.

Anyway, today's rant is over, now to go about my daily business - where's that 50cal.
LeoLoka on 22 Mar '10
It's all right guys, March is now the month of attacking the Games Industry.

It's not like I care anyway, oh wait /slitswrists. T___T.


Tired of hearing this crap!
KMakawa on 22 Mar '10
.....where's that 50cal

I take it 50cal is some sort of a diet drink, because all gamers are fat lepers with no social skills, oh God I'm so depressed.
paul_brown940 on 22 Mar '10
False reports cause widespread panic.


Who's worse?
feedel on 22 Mar '10
blazblue is making me depressed as hell.
mostly because THE DAMN THING STILL ISNT BLOODY OUT YET!!!!!!
wish id brought it on import now Rolling Eyes
chainsawgerbil on 22 Mar '10
I thought it was common knowledge that away games are tougher football teams tend to play worse away. Probably related to the fact that they are surrounded by stadium full of drunk, hostile fans booing and throwing hotdogs and pints at them.

I don't know what this has to do with games. It did give me a good laugh though but the 1st of April is next week so it can't be a joke.
LkS on 22 Mar '10
> The Sun

No need to read further then...
Shoopaah on 22 Mar '10
This is getting beyond a joke now, I've been playing video games all my life including GTA when I was seven and I'm not violent, racist or hateful however I do get annoyed at the fact that I keep having to justify my hobby to these people especially when my Mum's view on games is based on these peoples arguments that have no basis.
What I will say is that video games are addictive but isn't anything as long as you get addicted to it, I'm addicted to pizza, I love it, the dominos 2 for 1 tuesday has been taking money off me for the last six months, my mum is addicted to diet coke (should see how ratty she gets without it), what about people who watch a soap opera every day, yes they're addicts too.
Difference is games stimulate the mind, I think that I'm actually a more well rounded person because of them.
I played Modern Warfare 2 and I did kill the civilians in the airport, why you ask because it's a game but give me an LMG when I'm stood in the middle of an actual airport I'm not going to shoot anybody because I can differentiate between the two, just like I could differentiate between seeing an erect penis on TV and a dildo, on TV at 5 in the afternoon Mistress Peasgood (I think that's her name)
Mr S0L0 D0L0 on 22 Mar '10
DRM is depressing ^^
Mooks on 22 Mar '10
This is 100% wrong. I can't be bothered going into detail but this is laughably wrong.
Marlonjb on 22 Mar '10
WHERESMYMONKEY what a post.

Charlie Brooker fighting the good fight for all of us! hahaha
lashed on 22 Mar '10
Mr Solo Dolo - "I played Modern Warfare 2 and I did kill the civilians in the airport, why you ask because it's a game but give me an LMG when I'm stood in the middle of an actual airport I'm not going to shoot anybody because I can differentiate between the two,"

I went in guns blazing cause I thought there would be an achievement for killing the most civilians. It was only afterwards I realised people were kicking off about the "horrific" nature of this level. Just like Mr Solo, I can differentiate between reality and what happens in a game. I'm sure 99.9% of gamers also have this special ability. That left over 0.1% are probably just freaks of nature who'd be violent if games were based on bunnies bouncing around a green field or something stupid like that.

Next weeks headlines "Proven fact: Study shows Hitler developed early version of GTA - Games to blame for holocaust!" Ah guess today's rant wasn't over after all...
LeoLoka on 22 Mar '10
This old chestnut again, well I guess when you have jounalists with the professional integrity of Joseph Stalin, a readership of sensationalist loving morons and so called 'experts' looking for the next meal ticket you can always rely on the Sun to come up with the goods.

I would counter that reading Sun would be far higher up the list that any video game, or indeed any media form whatsoever, for causing depression. Day after day of mis-reporting, lucid scare mongering, senstationalism and all the irrelevant tripe you can stomach to present the very worst this great nation has to offer (cough) What's wrong, no footballers to demonise?, no biased reporting to do against the political party that isn't paying you a fortune to sing their tune or is it just that you miss the fact that the real causes of social problems stem from the very sources you claim to champion i.e. inadequate parenting, weak schooling or a waterthin judicial system.

Idiots.
KK-Headcharge78 on 22 Mar '10
MW2 is addictive and causes violent behaviour? I've had enough of this. I'm going to The Suns offices and I'm using SONIC BOOM on every employee, It will be OVERKILL and because I'm a sexaholic psycho I'm going to DOUBLE TAP the editors wife, making sure I get DEEP IMPACT with a STEADY AIM making sure I don't LAST STAND because I'm neglecting my EXTREME CONDITIONING, then with a final thrust of STOPPING POWER I will make my escape.
SICARIUS1 on 22 Mar '10
lol games promote racisim and sexisim? no, lets see her list the the games that do, more proof people like her dont know jack sh!t about games, i bet you there was a few hypocrites in that auidence cheering when they know they got thier child an 18 rated game

i also love how the parents topic got side stepped, typical of this country allways trying to avoid home truths when it comes too taking responsibility, then blame everyone else but your self when it goes wrong
Miss_Wacy on 22 Mar '10
I'm feeling pretty depressed at the moment. Nothing to do with the 50+ hours work I did last week. It must be linked to the 1 hour I managed to squeeze in on Mass Effect 2 last night!!!
snips10 on 22 Mar '10
why say it myself when MR.Brooker says it so much better

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/22/charlie-brooker-newspapers-dangerous-drug

I now officially have a Charlie Brooker man crush. I'm so depressed, maybe some Modern Warfare will give me a false sense of personal achievement and I can finally move on with my life.

Razz
r0zm4n on 22 Mar '10
The Sun causes retardation, bigotry and priapism - Moribundman.

Alan Titchmarsh causes old ladies knickers to go wet - Old Ladies.
Moribundman on 22 Mar '10
yet another example of the UK's continuos slide towards a society that places no responsbility for actions on individuals themselves...

someone gets drugged up and then beats someone to death - it gets argued that the drugs are the problem and that the guy needs to be counselled nistead of locked up...what happened to 'hang on a minute - isn't it the guy's fault for taking them in the first place?'

people on the dole claiiming they can't work becuase they have an addiction to video gaming, which is now recognised as a legitimate "illness" - i'm sorry, but get of your fat-lazy-backside and do some f'ing work.

games now cause violence and recism and sexism and god-knows-what-else-ism...NO! this country seems more and more every day to forget that there's this little thing called free will. GTA didn't make you go and car-jack some random person, you mnight have seen it in there but you still had to decide to do it for yourself, jack-a$$.

it's the same as proposed plans to encourage people to lose weight by offering financial incentive, which will obviously come out of taxes - why the hell should i pay for some overweight (by eating, not metabolic - that's different) dousche to get slim?

as a country we need a serious step-change in attitude towards personal responsbility. The game didn't make you do anything, you're not addicted, you're just a weak-minded pri*k looking for a 'get-out-of-jail-free card' who needs a slap.

rant over
pin316 on 22 Mar '10
Stupid people are always looking for something to blame for there and entire ills o0f world,i believe its because the problem with games is sick people using them as a way to justify there actions and to give moaners something to moan about,its because real life is so depressing that we play games to alleviate boredom,boredom not games lead to depression,and if games aleviate boredom they aleviate depression,
SKUNKKEY on 22 Mar '10
I've been playing games for 20 odd years and im f"cking dandy, ALRIGHT?!
feeg86 on 22 Mar '10
Here's my rebutal. People that read the sun are retarded. If you don't have the intelligence to read a newspaper that has a higher reading age than 8 you deserve to be miss informed by hacks and nerdowells.

Agreed, except 8 is quite a high reading age for The Sun...
gideonseer on 22 Mar '10
come on people if gaming had effected us as kids we'd all be sitting in a dark room munching pills and listening to repetitive electronic music......

Not mine. but brilliant nethertheless.
WHERESMYMONKEY on 22 Mar '10
Games are a mirror to society, not the other way. People wouldn't be playing war games set in Irak of Afghanistan if there wasn't a war in the first place.

Why do we care so much about this idiots, it's a battle they'll never win.
Dandelion on 22 Mar '10
its because real life is so depressing that we play games to alleviate boredom,boredom not games lead to depression,and if games aleviate boredom they aleviate depression

Well put! I’m getting tired of people who don’t understand, putting games down, but people who do actually understand them are unable to stand up and counter the biased misplaced arguments because they’ll just be accused of being addicted and too overly defensive due to games influence. I find the positive reinforcements in games make me happy, but I don’t come down again upon turning them off. When I get down, it’s because of something in real-life that’s getting me down, and instead of getting angry and over-reacting to the situation, I put a game on instead to take my mind off the problem for a few hours. When I come back off I feel much calmer and ready to deal with my problems in a better way. (How do games stop you playing well at football anyway? ) Confused
sgspacemonkey on 22 Mar '10
The Sun depresses me...
sin84rocks on 22 Mar '10
I tell you what would cheer us up, having to put titties in a product to sell it, isnt that right The Sun?
gils on 22 Mar '10
So what is video games that caused the Iraq war?

Its funny how the Sun has all of a sudden become concerned with violence, considering its jingoistic uncritical support for War since its was started in 1970.

"Gotcha!"
nee50n on 22 Mar '10
Reading the Sun newspaper causes me depression.
ginsin on 22 Mar '10
Oh F**K OFF. JUST F**K OFF! Rolling Eyes
Rothepony on 22 Mar '10
The Sun causes depression. I wouldn't believe the date on that paper most of the time.
Legrasse on 22 Mar '10
come on people if gaming had effected us as kids we'd all be sitting in a dark room munching pills and listening to repetitive electronic music......

Not mine. but brilliant nethertheless.

lol i remember seeing that on the internet a few years back, it also got the genius response: 'what do you think happens at nightclubs then?'

PS. it was, if i remember correctly, 'if pacman ever affected us as kids.....'
quintus on 22 Mar '10
LOL at the comment made by Mark240473.

Maybe they should make a toned down Call of Duty. Where people go around planting plants and shooting pollen to make the other team ill.

Call of Gardners: Modern planting
majorraj on 22 Mar '10
shoot pollen and put plantsin? already been done....

thats viva pinata my friend........
lashed on 22 Mar '10
I wouldnt worry about it, just look at the average reader of the sun, and most of em wont get passed page 3.
360365 on 22 Mar '10
everything good in this world is addictive......games, drink, drugs.......
invisiblekid91 on 22 Mar '10
If its in The Sun,it must be true,next they will be saying Gorden Brown plays video games and is evil, so vote for David Cameron. Shocked
modge on 22 Mar '10
I do psychology in college and am taking it in uni and basicly this is what is known as "pseudo-science" or fake science. Some random source of "scientific knowledge" suddenly appears in the media and states things are bad or good for you without any back up or evidence in a proven scientific method and everyone believes it is true. They try to mask to fact it has no evidence by getting a random politician or "doctor" to make a brief statement backing their claim, followed by some statistics and VOILA! the perfect news report to rile up dimwitted public outbursts against you name it (video games, eating eggs, drinking wine etc)

Just thought people should know the sneaky ways the media tries to brainwash us. Although, I don't know ahy The Sun is doing this cause all people read that is for page 3 Laughing
SH0CK3I2 on 22 Mar '10
Here we go again, another day gone, another misinformed report. Again, there are well articulated well thought out responses that cover everything I feel and more. There is always the one easy scapegoat, games are the only reason there is more violence, oh and suddenly they cause depression? Since when? They reverse it in my view. They temporarily alleviate the dull days of working and the drag of daily life. They offer an escape, a free pass to explore and challenge yourself somewhere unique.

These idiots who claim this is true are generalising and their explanations are so poor and lacking of real evidence they are just plain stupid. The sun is a sensationalist paper and by publishing a story many low IQ readers will think that because someone is depressed it is probably because they play MW2, not a whole host of other complex causes.

I am personally sick of this vindictive attitude why are people always claiming games are in the wrong? It always papers over the cracks of Society's real issues which seem to be the real reasons for "Depression" or some other mental illness.

Games set you free, they are my one past time I will never give up no matter what.
Richy23 on 22 Mar '10
Games cause depression? WHAT!?
No! games do not cause depression the two bloody jobs I have to work to keep politicians living a very comfortable life and paying for Junkies methadone, dental work and hospital bills is what makes me depressed, and lets not get started on the amount of money being spent on immigrants and foreign workers.
rayzer69 on 22 Mar '10
The record player is making a very strange noise but yet it keeps playing...
churchy on 22 Mar '10
Aha, recognition at last! Very Happy

Thanks CVG, it's very much appreciated Smile

Maybe next time I'll try and write my findings better to save you some work Wink (and maybe help me get a better job too Rolling Eyes ).

Really should change my forum name though...
dark_gamer on 23 Mar '10
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