Sony's Move controller uses the PS Eye camera to track its distinctive glowing orb, and can also show a video feed on-screen. That, says Sony's Worldwide Studios VP Scott Rohde, is a "huge advantage" over Wii.
Rohde says Sony's not concerned about the seeming similarities between the Move games shown so far and existing Wii games.
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"It's a homegrown technology and we chose it for a number of reasons - chiefly because of the precision that we knew we could get," he said.
"When you're talking about a game that was demoed like Table Tennis out there, you might be able to play that on another system, but I think we showed very well that you can get that top spin or slice in there and it really feels like you're playing a Table Tennis game."
And the added bonus? The camera. "Because of the camera, the PS Eye, we add that whole element of augmented reality. And I think that's a big advantage we have over what the Wii has done to date," added Rohde who says Wii owners will want to "upgrade" to PS3 when Move's released.
"That's definitely an audience that we're targeting ... Maybe someone is sitting on the fence about whether or not to upgrade [to PS3] and [Move] could lead them to do it."
mother: So it's motion control? Sony: yeah. mother: Like the wii. Sony: Yes but it's much more accurate. mother: how much is it? Sony: well it's a bit more than the wii but the games are prettier. mother: How much prettier? Sony: Much prettier. But you need an HDTV of course. mother: oh. Johnny only has a normal TV. we don't like the wii in the sitting room. Sont: But it's really good! Mother: just like the wii? Sony:.....
mother: So it's motion control? Sony: yeah. mother: Like the wii. Sony: Yes but it's much more accurate. mother: how much is it? Sony: well it's a bit more than the wii but the games are prettier. mother: How much prettier? Sony: Much prettier. But you need an HDTV of course. mother: oh. Johnny only has a normal TV. we don't like the wii in the sitting room. Sont: But it's really good! Mother: just like the wii? Sony:.....
Good luck with that one Sony.
Agreed.
Just how are they going to market this 'augmented reality'?
I think that is the problem Sony will face as per the first post.
This is a copy, it looks like a copy and controls like a copy. I don't care that people think it isn't a copy because it has different methods of achieving the same thing, it is a copy.
When people see this in action, the Wii buying public will dismiss it as a copy and say I already have that. The only people who will benefit from this are the people who like their hardcore games and feel shunned by core support on the Wii.
Potentially this control system could be put to use in a graphically pleasing hardcore title. But I think Sony really want to pulling more casual support than bolster what the hardcore gamers on the PS3 already have.
mother: So it's motion control? Sony: yeah. mother: Like the wii. Sony: Yes but it's much more accurate. mother: how much is it? Sony: well it's a bit more than the wii but the games are prettier. mother: How much prettier? Sony: Much prettier. But you need an HDTV of course. mother: oh. Johnny only has a normal TV. we don't like the wii in the sitting room. Sont: But it's really good! Mother: just like the wii? Sony:.....
Good luck with that one Sony.
who is this "Sont" character you brought in. bad playwrighting if you ask me. shoehorning in a character at the end like that just screams lack of ideas for a proper ending.
i'm not gonna recommend this to my friends, not one bit.
Wii popularity was partly because of its simplicity but mainly for its brilliant marketing. If sony market this like they did for everything else they do, people like my mum are not going to have a clue what's going on (eg, what the frig are those sony 'Heart' adverts for inbetween the football on ITV?! I had no idea it was for PS3).
Soz Sony, but I can see this going the way of the PSP Go. Overhyped by yourselves, and no one really seeing the point or justification for splashing out so much cash.
To be honest, Move and Natal are primarily the reason why I have recently sold my Wii.
As long as a fitness product (I'd imagine Natal being the better of the two for that style of software) comes out for either of them, then the missus is sorted.
Me? I'd like to play Golf and Tennis games in lovely HD. Other styles of games will have to be really good for me to bother with motion control.
EDIT: To those above, there is definitely a big enough core audience on the PS3 and 360 to make both MOVE and NATAL a success.
As far as MOVE is concerned, I doubt mums and dads would buy it for that reason alone. However, there are far more reasons than just motion control for either HD console:
Better online (for friends/achievements, etc.) Bluray (PS3) Sky (360) The choice of normal controllers HD, obviously No batteries required
And the prices aren't that much of a concern. For instance, Sony will probably release a PS3 pack with Eyetoy, Move, Dualshock2 and game for around say, £299.99. The 360 will probably release a pack with NATAL and a game for say, £179.99-£199.99.
Either way, with the amount of extra stuff that the Wii doesn't provide, I reckon both Sony and MS will do just fine.
To be honest, Move and Natal are primarily the reason why I have recently sold my Wii.
As long as a fitness product (I'd imagine Natal being the better of the two for that style of software) comes out for either of them, then the missus is sorted.
Me? I'd like to play Golf and Tennis games in lovely HD. Other styles of games will have to be really good for me to bother with motion control.
That's a fair comment, Mark, but don't you think Sony trying to steal the wii crowd is ill concieved? You have decided to do it because you know about games an the like, but most poeple who own the wii do not really have a clue and will probably not see the point of selling their Wiis?
mother: So it's motion control? Sony: yeah. mother: Like the wii. Sony: Yes but it's much more accurate. mother: how much is it? Sony: well it's a bit more than the wii but the games are prettier. mother: How much prettier? Sony: Much prettier. But you need an HDTV of course. mother: oh. Johnny only has a normal TV. we don't like the wii in the sitting room. Sont: But it's really good! Mother: just like the wii? Sony:.....
Good luck with that one Sony.
Good point but at the same time, I own a PS3, the Wii interests me but not enough to fork out the cash for it, so to me move is an excellent prospect.
Sony could say to the mother; Sony: Would you like to watch high definition movies, and 3D movies, etc etc (end) it all depends on the consumers wants and needs, example, I have a friend he has a ps3 for it doing what it does HD games, movies etc but he also has a wii because it's fun for the kids, if move was around earlier he would have no need for a wii but like I said, it's all down to circumstance and opinion.
What if they made a HD wii, how would that conversation go; Mother: "Like a PS3" Nintendo: .....
Actually the mother would probably call it the play thingy and ask if it comes with Mario.
How are they going to sell the fact it does augmented reality? Maybe say "it does augmented reality"? Although I bet a lot of people have no idea what AR is
I reckon both Natal and Move will shift enough units that Sony and MS will be able claim them a success, will they be able to displace the Wii as the families console of choice though? No chance .
To be honest, Move and Natal are primarily the reason why I have recently sold my Wii.
As long as a fitness product (I'd imagine Natal being the better of the two for that style of software) comes out for either of them, then the missus is sorted.
Me? I'd like to play Golf and Tennis games in lovely HD. Other styles of games will have to be really good for me to bother with motion control.
EDIT: To those above, there is definitely a big enough core audience on the PS3 and 360 to make both MOVE and NATAL a success.
As far as MOVE is concerned, I doubt mums and dads would buy it for that reason alone. However, there are far more reasons than just motion control for either HD console:
Better online (for friends/achievements, etc.) Bluray (PS3) Sky (360) The choice of normal controllers HD, obviously No batteries required
And the prices aren't that much of a concern. For instance, Sony will probably release a PS3 pack with Eyetoy, Move, Dualshock2 and game for around say, £299.99. The 360 will probably release a pack with NATAL and a game for say, £179.99-£199.99.
Either way, with the amount of extra stuff that the Wii doesn't provide, I reckon both Sony and MS will do just fine.
In my opinion, Ninty should be worried.
Its a fair point mark but you are missing one vital point. These people already own a wii. Sony aren't just trying to get new customers like nintendo were. they're trying to take them from the competition. For someone who already has a games machine that does what they want and they enjoy Why would they need another? That's the problem sony have to overcome. It's a lot harder to convert happy customers than disgruntled ones.
Core gamers are easy they're never happy. But casual gamers that don't ask for mucha nd are happy with the product they have... Good luck to em.
To be honest, Move and Natal are primarily the reason why I have recently sold my Wii.
As long as a fitness product (I'd imagine Natal being the better of the two for that style of software) comes out for either of them, then the missus is sorted.
Me? I'd like to play Golf and Tennis games in lovely HD. Other styles of games will have to be really good for me to bother with motion control.
That's a fair comment, Mark, but don't you think Sony trying to steal the wii crowd is ill concieved? You have decided to do it because you know about games an the like, but most poeple who own the wii do not really have a clue and will probably not see the point of selling their Wiis?
At the end of the day, it is the games that both Sony and MS make most of their money from. And even if these new motion controllers only take a small percentage of the market away from Nintendo, between the two (MS and Sony) it'll still be enough to cause major concern for Nintendo.
All it'll take is for third parties to favour the HD consoles.
To be honest, Move and Natal are primarily the reason why I have recently sold my Wii.
As long as a fitness product (I'd imagine Natal being the better of the two for that style of software) comes out for either of them, then the missus is sorted.
Me? I'd like to play Golf and Tennis games in lovely HD. Other styles of games will have to be really good for me to bother with motion control.
EDIT: To those above, there is definitely a big enough core audience on the PS3 and 360 to make both MOVE and NATAL a success.
As far as MOVE is concerned, I doubt mums and dads would buy it for that reason alone. However, there are far more reasons than just motion control for either HD console:
Better online (for friends/achievements, etc.) Bluray (PS3) Sky (360) The choice of normal controllers HD, obviously No batteries required
And the prices aren't that much of a concern. For instance, Sony will probably release a PS3 pack with Eyetoy, Move, Dualshock2 and game for around say, £299.99. The 360 will probably release a pack with NATAL and a game for say, £179.99-£199.99.
Either way, with the amount of extra stuff that the Wii doesn't provide, I reckon both Sony and MS will do just fine.
In my opinion, Ninty should be worried.
Its a fair point mark but you are missing one vital point. These people already own a wii. Sony aren't just trying to get new customers like nintendo were. they're trying to take them from the competition. For someone who already has a games machine that does what they want and they enjoy Why would they need another? That's the problem sony have to overcome. It's a lot harder to convert happy customers than disgruntled ones.
Core gamers are easy they're never happy. But casual gamers that don't ask for mucha nd are happy with the product they have... Good luck to em.
I get what you're saying, but if that was the case, then those casuals would just carry on playing their PS2's.
Yes, even the casual gamers move on.*
*No pun intended.
I know for a fact that Natal will be marketed towards the Wii audience and may make a big enough dent on its own, due to the price being as cheap as the Wii.
Sony's Move, I expect to build in userbase a lot slower than Natal. However, by the time Wii2 comes out, the PS3 will be a very attractive option, in both price and features.
At the end of the day, it is the games that both Sony and MS make most of their money from. And even if these new motion controllers only take a small percentage of the market away from Nintendo, between the two (MS and Sony) it'll still be enough to cause major concern for Nintendo.
All it'll take is for third parties to favour the HD consoles.
3rd parties favour money. If the Wii has an install bast of like 100m, rather than 30m, they are going to make a game for the 100m crowd
To be honest, Move and Natal are primarily the reason why I have recently sold my Wii.
As long as a fitness product (I'd imagine Natal being the better of the two for that style of software) comes out for either of them, then the missus is sorted.
Me? I'd like to play Golf and Tennis games in lovely HD. Other styles of games will have to be really good for me to bother with motion control.
EDIT: To those above, there is definitely a big enough core audience on the PS3 and 360 to make both MOVE and NATAL a success.
As far as MOVE is concerned, I doubt mums and dads would buy it for that reason alone. However, there are far more reasons than just motion control for either HD console:
Better online (for friends/achievements, etc.) Bluray (PS3) Sky (360) The choice of normal controllers HD, obviously No batteries required
And the prices aren't that much of a concern. For instance, Sony will probably release a PS3 pack with Eyetoy, Move, Dualshock2 and game for around say, £299.99. The 360 will probably release a pack with NATAL and a game for say, £179.99-£199.99.
Either way, with the amount of extra stuff that the Wii doesn't provide, I reckon both Sony and MS will do just fine.
In my opinion, Ninty should be worried.
I can't see PS3 move packs for anything under £350 as they reckon the entry level move will cost around $100 which is nearly always translated to £100. The problem is that no one is really sure what this entry level pack will contain (rumours are that it will comprise of a PS eye and a Move Wand) many of the move games require 2 move wands or a move wand and nunchuck rip-off.
The lack of batteries is both good and bad. Good because there is no searching for charged batteries when the unit dies but bad because if unit dies then you will have to recharge it (i presume through a wired connection which for a motion controller is sort of counter productive). I do not really see it as a strength. Wii has normal controllers too so again that is not a strength.
That is a lot of money to get essentially a wii experience in HD. Move will live or die on its games and marketing.
I am still very unsure about natal as I still can't understand how you would control something like an FPS (or any other 3D game that involves the character moving for that matter). Looks a very cool tech for productivity though.
At the end of the day, it is the games that both Sony and MS make most of their money from. And even if these new motion controllers only take a small percentage of the market away from Nintendo, between the two (MS and Sony) it'll still be enough to cause major concern for Nintendo.
All it'll take is for third parties to favour the HD consoles.
3rd parties favour money. If the Wii has an install bast of like 100m, rather than 30m, they are going to make a game for the 100m crowd
Okami says hi, as do many other sadly ignored Wii games.
Unfortunately, the majority of the Wii audience just want the next Wii fit or Mario game.
If only the size of the audience matters, then why do Fifa and Tiger Woods, or COD games sell more on the HD consoles?
The real finish to the article's title "Sony: Move's 'big advantage' over Wii is..." is that the Move looks like a 'personal massage device'...*wink**wink*, *nudge**nudge*, say no more.
And that, my dear friends in the UK, is how you win the housewives over, worldwide.
I think Move/Natal will convince families who are sitting on the fence, but I doubt Nintendo will be particularly worried. If Nintendo are worried, they'll just drop the price of the wii. Considering they've sold it at profit from the go, they must be able to knock these things out at close to £100 and still have some margin.
Perhaps at that price it would also attract some 'core' players too. I didn't get a wii for motion control - I got it for Mario, Zelda, Prime etc and the level of fun and innovation Nintendo (for the most part) produce.
Putting motion control on any other console won't mean s**t to me (that's not to say there won't be any good games on Move/Natal) as there won't be any Nintendo games for it. And I've got table tennis on WSR - you can top spin, back spin, side spin perfectly well.
mother: So it's motion control? Sony: yeah. mother: Like the wii. Sony: Yes but it's much more accurate. mother: how much is it? Sony: well it's a bit more than the wii but the games are prettier. mother: How much prettier? Sony: Much prettier. But you need an HDTV of course. mother: oh. Johnny only has a normal TV. we don't like the wii in the sitting room. Sont: But it's really good! Mother: I like the wii? Sony:.....
better luck with that one Sony.
who is this "Sont" character you brought in. bad playwrighting if you ask me. shoehorning in a character at the end like that just screams lack of ideas for a proper ending.
i'm not gonna recommend this to my friends, not one bit.
Id like to be a playwright how about this little remix
mother: So it's motion control? Sony: yeah. mother: Like the wii. Sony: Yes but it's much more accurate,you can play it with your friends when you have a coffee morning mother: how much is it, oh here are my new friends now? Sony: well it's a bit more than the wii but ,woaa your new friends are prettier than your other friends. mother: How much prettier? Sony: Much prettier. But why are you all wearing leather and pvc gear, and isnt he a bloke mother: oh. fancy dress its normal,yeh he's a TV. don't wii in the sitting room. Sont: But it's really good! Mother: I like the wii too sont ,just not in the living room, dont worry about Sont he's from Lithuania Sony:.....Did you guys realise that Home is out of Beta now, Mother: yehh,very good,(pats him on head)give me the move controller and sink plunger please Sont Sont : Its good ya ,pass me the rubber gloves and singstar disc, its time for your performance Johny Sony: Isnt my name Sony?
Thats as far as ive got , I think i need to work on the character development for Sont , the Lithaunian TV plumber ,and lost my way at the end maybe a little but overall an improvement
I think Move shows great potential, but doesn't anyone else have a problem with the fact that the PS Eye uses only VGA resolution? Shouldn't they update it with at least 720p?
At the end of the day, it is the games that both Sony and MS make most of their money from. And even if these new motion controllers only take a small percentage of the market away from Nintendo, between the two (MS and Sony) it'll still be enough to cause major concern for Nintendo.
All it'll take is for third parties to favour the HD consoles.
3rd parties favour money. If the Wii has an install bast of like 100m, rather than 30m, they are going to make a game for the 100m crowd
Okami says hi, as do many other sadly ignored Wii games.
Unfortunately, the majority of the Wii audience just want the next Wii fit or Mario game.
If only the size of the audience matters, then why do Fifa and Tiger Woods, or COD games sell more on the HD consoles?
I'm sure there are many more examples as well.
Okami? The game that sold twice as much on Wii than it did on PS2 with less than half the userbase? Good example. The Wii is also the only console of the three with a million selling Tiger Woods game, possibly due to the control scheme, which will be featured in the PS3 version in the next game. Maybe that will reinvigorate the series on HD consoles.
I'd actually expect a few more PS3/Wii cross platform games as the two control schemes are similar. It's Microsoft and Natal who will struggle there as it would require a completely different set of coding to be done.
@ Raven 'Why can't they just hold their hands up and say, yes we stole Nintendo's idea'
Technically they didn't steal Nintendo's idea - the basic tech for move was demoed in 2005. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpNdkm9s8AY
That being said, I'm sure the Wii has certainly impacted on Move's final design.
I would say heavily impacted the final design. Only part of the move technology uses the colour tracking the rest is practically wiimote tech. Also they seem to have gone for very wii influenced design to the form of the controllers too.
To be honest, Move and Natal are primarily the reason why I have recently sold my Wii.
As long as a fitness product (I'd imagine Natal being the better of the two for that style of software) comes out for either of them, then the missus is sorted.
Me? I'd like to play Golf and Tennis games in lovely HD. Other styles of games will have to be really good for me to bother with motion control.
EDIT: To those above, there is definitely a big enough core audience on the PS3 and 360 to make both MOVE and NATAL a success.
As far as MOVE is concerned, I doubt mums and dads would buy it for that reason alone. However, there are far more reasons than just motion control for either HD console:
Better online (for friends/achievements, etc.) Bluray (PS3) Sky (360) The choice of normal controllers HD, obviously No batteries required
And the prices aren't that much of a concern. For instance, Sony will probably release a PS3 pack with Eyetoy, Move, Dualshock2 and game for around say, £299.99. The 360 will probably release a pack with NATAL and a game for say, £179.99-£199.99.
Either way, with the amount of extra stuff that the Wii doesn't provide, I reckon both Sony and MS will do just fine.
In my opinion, Ninty should be worried.
Its a fair point mark but you are missing one vital point. These people already own a wii. Sony aren't just trying to get new customers like nintendo were. they're trying to take them from the competition. For someone who already has a games machine that does what they want and they enjoy Why would they need another? That's the problem sony have to overcome. It's a lot harder to convert happy customers than disgruntled ones.
Core gamers are easy they're never happy. But casual gamers that don't ask for mucha nd are happy with the product they have... Good luck to em.
I get what you're saying, but if that was the case, then those casuals would just carry on playing their PS2's.
Yes, even the casual gamers move on.*
*No pun intended.
I know for a fact that Natal will be marketed towards the Wii audience and may make a big enough dent on its own, due to the price being as cheap as the Wii.
Sony's Move, I expect to build in userbase a lot slower than Natal. However, by the time Wii2 comes out, the PS3 will be a very attractive option, in both price and features.
That will definately be Sony's marketing line right there:
'It's time to Move on to the next level'
Or something like that.
Still, no concern for me, I'd rather play real table tennis anyway.
Are you guys seriously telling me that mothers of fat children who do nothing but play on their PS3 or 360 all day won't jump at the chance of getting them a move activated controller? HA! That's why parents all bought the freakin Wii! They hoped that it would get their kids to excercise. Basically, all the kids who didn't get a wii will get Move or Natal from their parents for excercise. I'm getting Move, purely based on the recent TV Advert.
Augmented reality is going to be huge. Take a look at recent youtube video's for the iPhone Yell.com app, and the new Tag Heur app. Its one of those things where only geeks know what it is now, but eventually everyone will love it.
I showed the original PSmove E3 demo to non-gamers at work who were interested in buying a Wii. The one with the video of the guy onscreen, but the PS3 replaced the controllers with bats/guns/swords/whip..etc.
These people were very impress, and some even said they would get a PS3 instead of a Wii of that video alone.
All Sony need to do is show some actual footage of Augmented Reality on their ads, to show people how it works.
Also, as said in the article, the Move is a lot more accurate. Table tennis for example, the onscreen bat should move exactly as you move your controller, giving you greater control of where you hit the ball. A lot of people get frustrated by the lack of accuracy and response from the Wii, so if Sony can convince people that the Move is an upgrade, they'll do fine.
Also, Natal is in the same position, Natal shows more promise for the Augmented Reality revolution and will probably do better at taking Wii customers away from Nintendo.
Sony should be using the buttons as a major advantage and create some non-family/party games. leave the other two to fight for that market
Nintendo didn't invent motion control. All they did was take existing tech and ship it with the console. They invented nothing. This is why Nintendo can do nothing about Sony using similar tech now. They have no control over motion sensing controllers. Sony may be late to the party, but they are copying no one with the tech. Just the idea.
how can the sony controller be more accurate than wii motion plus?
if the sony controller has gyro scopes and accelermetres inside i could under stand but if its just relying on what the camera sees then i dont understand how.
They say its better at table tennis but how can the camera know that the big lightbulb is rotating also the speed it would have to track would have to be so fast,
Even if the motion control will be more accurate, I'd still say the Wii's is more impressive considering it doesn't need a camera to "see" where the controllers are. It just knows.
I agree - Remember, Sony are clever, and usually plan for the future.
Move will make some cash now, maybe takes a few players from the Wii, etc.
Remember when they put Blu Ray in? Useless when the PS3 came out. But now, people are complaining about the 360's lack of.
3D firmware? Useless now, not many people will use it. 2 years time, it'll be the norm.
The PS3 has the stuff that the next gen of consoles have, so it's life will be longer, and Wii players may well take one when they move on over the next gen consoles as those will be much more expensive.
Sony know what they're doing.
PS: Anyone actually though that that ad was aimed at casual gamers? Does it have some family sports games in it? All I see is a fighting game, and Socom 4, and humour that only someone who knows about games would understand. This isn't advertising to casual gamers, they'll do that later.
how can the sony controller be more accurate than wii motion plus?
if the sony controller has gyro scopes and accelermetres inside i could under stand but if its just relying on what the camera sees then i dont understand how.
They say its better at table tennis but how can the camera know that the big lightbulb is rotating also the speed it would have to track would have to be so fast,
The PS Move does have motion sensors, (Not sure of full specs) combine this with the fact the the PSeye can work out exactly where the controller is in 3 dimensions (height, width AND depth)
The Wii can only work out this limited position detail and only if the Wii mote is pointing at the 'sensor' bar.
The PSeye will always be able to see the bulb on the controller unless you obstruct it (which is why the demo of the guy boxing was not able to pull off the roundhouse move very well)
And in comes Nintendo with a new Wii announcement. ...Knocks Playstation Move back out of it's pond.
At least Microsoft are trying to attempt something alternate. With Move its seeming more like a direct-copy every day.. except they thought "How can we get away with this?" "Oh its okay, stick a flashy light on the top. That will distract them."
How can the camera detect forward/backward motions with only a single frame of reference, the light? The Wii uses two frames of reference in the sensor bar. I doubt that Move is better than motion plus. In fact I think all told it will not be as good.
Table tennis accurately responds to the movements of the controller. What I do with the mote is represented faithfully on screen.
How can the camera detect forward/backward motions with only a single frame of reference, the light? The Wii uses two frames of reference in the sensor bar. I doubt that Move is better than motion plus. In fact I think all told it will not be as good.
Perhaps it has better sensors inside. The Wii remote only worked when it was pointing at the sensor bar other wise it was a bit crap so they brought out the motion plus to make it slightly better.
ps,Giant enemy crab was a lame attempt at a joke 4 years ago.It hasn't improved with age.
In my opinion, Sony aren't going to expect (not too much anyway) parents to buy their kids a PS3 and Move to replace the Wii. It doesn't make sense! What they are doing though is providing existing owners of PS3 the chance to purchase a 'Wii' (Move) for a cut price 50 quid. (I think that's the figure thrown about)
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