Nintendo's US boss has questioned why Wii owners would consider buying the PS3 Move motion controller.
Only last week Fils-Aime admitted that Nintendo were flattered by Move but he seems to have changed his tune, arguing that Wii owners wouldn't consider upgrading to the HD console.
"Consumers love the Wii," Fils-Aime told Industry Gamers. "What's going to motivate them to spend minimally $300 for a new [PS3] system, plus minimally $100 for the Move motion bundle? So [as a consumer] now I'm into this for $400 and I still have to spend money on software. What's going to motivate me to do that?"
In the same interview, Fils-Aime also questioned Nintendo's rival's ability to create innovative software, saying: "What motivates the consumer are great, innovative, entertaining experiences. So to me, I think what our competitors are doing is quite interesting, but it's always going to come down to the software. And I've yet to see a piece of software [from the competition] that's an innovative experience for the consumer."
Strong words. You can read what Fils-Aime also had to say about Wii 2 here.
It is the lack of decent software that has stopped me buying the Wii, and the reason why most people I know who own one only pull out Wii sports at a party, aside from that they rarely use it.
Im not saying Im running out to buy PS Move, but the demo's have certainly been interesting, the remote seems to be more flexible, in terms of what it can achieve, than the Wii one, if some good software comes out, I might be tempted, but personally, I still find the whole concept of motion controls quite gimmicky, give me a good old controller any day!
He has a fair point. Most of the people who bought a wii are generally people who don't normally play games. I'm sure they are happy with their Wiis, so why would they splash out the cash for a PS3? For people who are not really into gaming, the PS3 would probably be quite intimidating with its price point, needless complication and lack of software which appears to be easy to use. Also, did you see the demo for 'Move'? The games look comparitively bland and serious compared to Wii games.
I think it is possible that some people will upgrade, but nowhere near the numbers that Sony will hope to achieve.
Perhaps Natal is a little different as to the general Wii gamer, the idea of not even using a controller may be appealing and the live avatars are quite friendly looking and fun.
Time will tell, but for someone like me who considders himself a core gamer, 'Move' is not appealing in the slightest. There are a couple of games on the PS3 which I would like on the 360, but ultimately I am happy with my lot.
I think Sony should use 'Move' as an extension to the core games, rather then try to capture the casual market.
I bought a Wii at launch and can honestly say that I have bought TWO games since. These were Raving Rabbids and House of the Dead Overkill. Ok but gathering dust like the console.
Alright games, but the portfolio has not made me go out and buy any more. I thought the Zelda and Wii Sports games (which I got in a bundle) were ok, but of limited appeal.
I think that alot of people have seen the novelty wear off the Wii and I have to say that I will get PS Move. The demos of it are actually a clear evolution to what Nintendo have to offer and this is likely one of the reasons why Reggie is stepping up the war of words.
They are keen to ensure that the Wii is supported by loyal customers for as long as possible = more cash for their investments. So it's entirely logical for him to start making these noises.
Possibly Move might be more accurate. I'd pay more money so that I can aim at the screen rather than track a cursor across the screen.
Accuracy on Wii isn't great. Old CRT lightguns were better.
I agree totally. My brother got a Wii with MotionPlus for Christmas. While the controller was clearly fit for purpose it was woefully inaccurate. Another annoying thing was the MotionPlus had to be constantly recalibrated. It got to the point in some of the games where you'd need to pause and redo it midgame because it had lost track of the controller. This was more prominent in games where movement was fast, such as the duelling game on Wii Sports Resort, but nevertheless a real pain.
As for buying a PS3 for Move, well it's not out of the realms of possibility for a casual gamer. Someone who wants to upgrade to HD quality games and movies, with added extras like VidZone, Home, iPlayer (on Wii I know), NetFlix (eventually) and an online system that works (lets not get into the Live v PSN debate - both are much better than what the Wii offers). No doubt Sony will launch games that appeal to that audience, they have done it before after all with the EyeToy.
I always find it cause for concern when they need to slag off the competiton rather than actually focusing on stating why theirs is better. I think other than the price and that they did it first so have existing games Nintendo haven't got the ammunition here.
Possibly Move might be more accurate. I'd pay more money so that I can aim at the screen rather than track a cursor across the screen.
Accuracy on Wii isn't great. Old CRT lightguns were better.
I agree totally. My brother got a Wii with MotionPlus for Christmas. While the controller was clearly fit for purpose it was woefully inaccurate. Another annoying thing was the MotionPlus had to be constantly recalibrated. It got to the point in some of the games where you'd need to pause and redo it midgame because it had lost track of the controller. This was more prominent in games where movement was fast, such as the duelling game on Wii Sports Resort, but nevertheless a real pain.
As for buying a PS3 for Move, well it's not out of the realms of possibility for a casual gamer. Someone who wants to upgrade to HD quality games and movies, with added extras like VidZone, Home, iPlayer (on Wii I know), NetFlix (eventually) and an online system that works (lets not get into the Live v PSN debate - both are much better than what the Wii offers). No doubt Sony will launch games that appeal to that audience, they have done it before after all with the EyeToy.
....and there's your problem. The Eyetoy was released and nobody knew about it (outside of gamers) - in fact, very few people even know what it is now.
The biggest thing working against Sony is their lack of marketing and advertising - admittedly, they've gotten a lot better, but, if they want this to work, they really need to get back to the kind of effort they used to put into the PS1 and PS2. As it stands, Nintendo are the company that provide motion control - the Wii is such a huge brand now that Sony and MS will have a really hard time in trying to wrestle that market from them.
The price-point of the Move is utterly ridiculous too. I think there'll be plenty of people that already own a PS3 that won't even bother with it, unless the rumoured price is dropped.
I always find it cause for concern when they need to slag off the competiton rather than actually focusing on stating why theirs is better. I think other than the price and that they did it first so have existing games Nintendo haven't got the ammunition here.
They don't need 'ammunition', they already have the customers. He actually makes a salient point - why would a current Wii owner upgrade to Move?
You can say that it's more accurate, but I can't see how Sony are going to market that fact. At the end of the day - it looks similar, the games look similar, it's not as recognised as the Wii and it's a lot more expensive.
I read the other day that as of right now you can only have four Move controllers in use at any one time, and that includes the sub-controller. So if any game requires the use of dual Move or a Move plus sub-controller combo you would be restricted to two players at once only.
So for the families out there who use the Wii to play split-screen four player games like Mario Kart (with any of the numerous control methods), the Sony version would be a step back...
I read the other day that as of right now you can only have four Move controllers in use at any one time, and that includes the sub-controller. So if any game requires the use of dual Move or a Move plus sub-controller combo you would be restricted to two players at once only.
So for the families out there who use the Wii to play split-screen four player games like Mario Kart (with any of the numerous control methods), the Sony version would be a step back...
Yeah, it's a limitation with the amount of Bluetooth ports on the PS3.
I guess some kind of Multitap could rectify that though, surely?
I can't see many casual gamers choosing Natal or Move over Wii. The Wii is family friendly, does what it says on the box and has the extremely popular optional Balance Board that ticks all the boxes for mom's and the elderly. I actually think Nintendo would get more return from investing into online rather than HD.
I can't see many core gamers choosing Natal, or Move or even Wii. It is ideal for sports, simulations and party games but I think it will quickly lose its appeal. Different experiences are cool sure... but i don't care about innovation.
I'd like more of the same but with better production - like Uncharted 2 and God of War 3.
Reggie has obviously been asked the question and he makles a valid point. I have been thinking of getting a PS3 for a while, but the fact that they will be releasing Move doesn't factor into my decision. Whether HD graphics or not, it's all about the games themselves. I am looking at the traditional games that Sony has on it's platform.
I only like the Wii controls for point and shoot type games like Metroid Prime and RE4, so if theres some good shoot 'em ups on PS3 that uses 'Move' really well, then I'll get it, I don't care about graphics, just the games and gameplay; for instance I'll take RE4 Wii over RE5 with similar motion control anyday, because RE4 is the better game.
Possibly Move might be more accurate. I'd pay more money so that I can aim at the screen rather than track a cursor across the screen.
Accuracy on Wii isn't great. Old CRT lightguns were better.
I agree totally. My brother got a Wii with MotionPlus for Christmas. While the controller was clearly fit for purpose it was woefully inaccurate. Another annoying thing was the MotionPlus had to be constantly recalibrated. It got to the point in some of the games where you'd need to pause and redo it midgame because it had lost track of the controller. This was more prominent in games where movement was fast, such as the duelling game on Wii Sports Resort, but nevertheless a real pain.
As for buying a PS3 for Move, well it's not out of the realms of possibility for a casual gamer. Someone who wants to upgrade to HD quality games and movies, with added extras like VidZone, Home, iPlayer (on Wii I know), NetFlix (eventually) and an online system that works (lets not get into the Live v PSN debate - both are much better than what the Wii offers). No doubt Sony will launch games that appeal to that audience, they have done it before after all with the EyeToy.
....and there's your problem. The Eyetoy was released and nobody knew about it (outside of gamers) - in fact, very few people even know what it is now.
The biggest thing working against Sony is their lack of marketing and advertising - admittedly, they've gotten a lot better, but, if they want this to work, they really need to get back to the kind of effort they used to put into the PS1 and PS2. As it stands, Nintendo are the company that provide motion control - the Wii is such a huge brand now that Sony and MS will have a really hard time in trying to wrestle that market from them.
The price-point of the Move is utterly ridiculous too. I think there'll be plenty of people that already own a PS3 that won't even bother with it, unless the rumoured price is dropped.
I always find it cause for concern when they need to slag off the competiton rather than actually focusing on stating why theirs is better. I think other than the price and that they did it first so have existing games Nintendo haven't got the ammunition here.
They don't need 'ammunition', they already have the customers. He actually makes a salient point - why would a current Wii owner upgrade to Move?
You can say that it's more accurate, but I can't see how Sony are going to market that fact. At the end of the day - it looks similar, the games look similar, it's not as recognised as the Wii and it's a lot more expensive.
I can see your points. Sony have been terrible advertisers, whilst Nintendo were brilliant (if a little annoying - different topic altogether). Sony really need to highlight that their games are "superior" and go on a real offensive with what the PS3 offers (like the "It only does..." campaign in the US).
Price is sort of unconfirmed and could change, but I doubt we'll see very high prices. Probably in the region of what a Wii Numchuck and Remote with MotionPlus costs (~Ł70 in stores - online is cheaper obviously).
As for the ammunition comment that was regarding new customers (in my head at least - didn't make it clear as I wrote it). Sony are aiming for new customers with the Move. Some of them may be Wii owners. Again it comes down to showing why your product is better than the competitions. We'll see in time if they pull it off.
He's right. People who own only a Wii and are happy with it will probably never upgrade to PSmove
However.... Ex Wii owner's who were promised so much and let down by the sheer amount of crap on the console may consider it. People who already own a PS3 along with their Wii, may consider the upgrade for a deeper gaming experience. People who only own a PS3 and were considering buying a Wii too, may prefer the Move option.
All of this banter between the big three is pointless, people will buy the console that has the games they want to play
Also people keep banging on about the price... The Wii isnt the cheapest console, the Xbox360 is.
The cheapest Ive ever seen a new Xbox 360 for is Ł99.99 from Sainsburys The cheapest Ive ever seen a PS3 slim for is Ł199.99 from Sainsbury's Ive never seen a new Wii for less than Ł150.
When you consider value for money, the Wii is a rip off. The Xbox is far superior to Wii (8 year old console) and the PS3 offers more than Xbox (im not gonna get into technical capabilities) I mean Blu-ray, WiFi, Wireless/rechargable controllers as standard (Im comparing to Arcade Xbox) and compatibility with your existing bluetooth/usb devices.
If MS release am Arcade-like SKU with Natal replacing standard controler, then Im sure they could price along side Wii.
PS3 on the other hand need to release a Move SKU at around Ł250 (and drop the standard SKU to Ł220)to stay in the game
From my perspective, the PlayStation Empire collapsed years ago. However, many people have not realized this. Many believe that “technology” of the PS3 determines its lifespan (it doesn’t, only consumer interest determines a lifespan).
When the PS3 slim came out, PS3 momentum rocketed up. The Wii was in decline.
However, things have changed. PS3 momentum has really come down since the release of the Slim. Sony fans are in absolute denial of this. Wii momentum has rocketed back up again resulting in sell outs everywhere. Sony fans are also in absolute denial of this.
They believe more PS3s would sell if Sony wasn’t ’supply restrained’. Sony might have had some operation problems, but the PS3 slim was never sold out online. I know because I have been constantly checking it.
The disruption literature forecasts the so-called “motion control battle” to end very suddenly, very spectacularly, and it will herald the end of a great firm. In this case, it will be the PlayStation Empire.
What is more interesting is Natal as Microsoft, who understands the ways of disruption, is deliberately placing Natal as having the same values as Wii (expanding the market, making gaming more accessible, etc. etc.). Microsoft is also now paranoid about Natal which will be to their advantage. The big issue is the execution of Natal’s strategy. The Natal strategy isn’t bad, it is the execution. Is controller free gaming going to work? I don’t think so. Even Nintendo struggles with making motion based games with the Wii-remote.
But there will be no prolonged 16-bit war. This will be over so fast. And it will shock many people.
CAN THE SONY FAN PLEASE WAKE UP
LIKE ROME THE PLAYSTATION EMPIRE IS DEAD THERE I SAID IT CAN SONY FANS DEAL WITH THAT FACT
Nintendo's US boss has questioned why Wii owners would consider buying the PS3 Move motion controller.
Because the PS3 has greater processor firepower, thus the potential for greater games for the Move? PS3 has blu-ray? I mean yes, PS3 is more expensive than Wii but its worth paying, I think, because of the greater tech. That said, there's a certain 'warmth' to Nintendo, maybe its all the 'feel good' advertising, not sure. I think a greater question is whether Wii 2 will be able to tempt people away from PS3? And all that's without even starting with Natal! I haven't actually used the Wii since an initial period straight after I got it, my current most used one is Xbox 360, with the bizarre Borderlands.
People should only want to buy a new console for the games it will offer or in the PS3 case the Blue ray player.
Move will not be the only reason people consider buying a PS3 but it will be some iceing on the cake if motion controls also intrest said person.
I myself do not love the WII and do not own one just yet due to lack of games that Intrest me. I own a PS3 and a Xbox 360 so Natal and Move may intrest me at some point.
It all depends what you look for and like in your gaming. The casuel market will go for what is cheeper though and the WII would be your cheeper option so this will appeal more to casuel gamers.
I’m not really fussed about motion control anymore anyway. The excitement has already dwindled and died for me. On the other hand, if Move or Natal have the hardcore games I’m looking for, I will be interested. For me, Nintendo tried to be innovative with the controller, but the games themselves just aren’t. I expected more light gun games, and was hopeful that maybe there’d also be a few realistic sword fighting games (a concept I thought would be an obvious choice with the controls,) but despite all the light sabre looking extensions I still haven’t seen a game that achieves it in the way I was hoping. I’ve also found the controls to be clunky at times and to not register despite the fact that I’ve been waving it with much exaggerated movement (I also have Wii Plus, but can't see the difference it makes.) In fact, I’ve also had problems with the Wii balance board not picking steps up despite stomping my feet really hard. It can be pretty frustrating, especially when you’re trying to beat a high score and you miss out because the hardware isn’t performing its job properly.
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