Look out folks, the console war fodder is back: Rob Dyer, SCEA senior VP of publisher relations, has said the PS3 price drop has had a "huge impact" on Sony's sales - and laid into Xbox 360 in the process.
Dyer said that PS3 has been out-performing 360 on software sales in install base ratio terms.
"They had a year's head start against us, so we've been playing catch-up ball," he told Industry Gamers. "Before the price cut, they had a two-to-one advantage; if you were a third-party publisher looking at the index, you should have been selling twice the number of units on the 360 as you would on the PS3.
"What we've been finding is that outside of the shooter category we literally over-index every single category - sports, fighting, action/adventure, music, etc. We do better for our publishing community than 360 does.
"So for instance, with a title like Madden, I think the index was 1.4 to 1.0, which meant we way oversold on PS3 versus 360, given the installed base. That's only going to get better and better as the installed base continues to grow," explained Dyer.
This, he explains, is how Sony will leverage exclusivity deals to counter Microsoft's money spending. And on that subject, Dyer has a piece of Microsoft Game Studios.
"They have very few first-party studios at Microsoft. Bungie's next Halo is the last one, Rare rarely puts out anything, you've got Peter Molyneux with his Fable stuff... but they don't have first-party development studios inside at Redmond or anywhere for that matter," said Dyer.
"We do. So rather than putting their money behind that, they've been going to Epic or Valve or BioWare to do what they did with Mass Effect, and that's where they throw their dollars."
Dyer takes cover, reloads, and pops out for more: "Candidly, we're not going to compete with Microsoft on that front, but what we have is a global business here. Our global business is bigger than 360's and will continue to get bigger than 360, and people are seeing that. We passed them in Europe and they don't even exist in Japan, and we're going to catch them and pass them here in the U.S. as well."
Now that's what I call good ol'fashioned grit! Yeah, baby, take it to Microsoft!
Seriously though, aside from the obvious flameware that's about to erupt, it's great to see Sony taking such risks such as Heavy Rain and The Last Guardian, whilst pumping out fantastic new IPs (Uncharted, Infamous, Resistance) and still able to produce awesome sequals (GOW3, GT5)... things really have changed since 2007...
At the end of the day, what is best for me, the consumer? Yeah that's right, a wide variety of games actually, sony.
Having a go at Microsoft for not having their own studios is pointless, as they don't really need them. Sony need them, as the PS3 is a bitch to program for.
At the moment, the xbox is a more attractive prospect for me. If the PS4 is a more attractive prospect thant the xbox 720, then I will go for the PS4.
That, Microsoft, is how to make an argument. Don't just say that your console is so much better, with little or no reason behind it. Yes, Xbox may still be better at the moment, but that gap is closing extremely quickly. I congratulate Sony, and I love how they won't take every exclusive away from Xbox. Instead, they try to match it with their own title.
Hopefuly this lets people see that they are both as bad as each other when it comes to showing a bit of respect for the compeition.
It would seem that only Nintedno know how to keep their mouths shut, then again there too busy counting all that money to care about cheap shots like these ones.
does seem MS just throw cash at stuff and try nab it for themselves. like a quick fix solution. all they care about is trying to stay ahead of the ps3. they are desperate for that.
sony have many studios that have creative freedom. all MS are interested in is pumping out the blockbusters. flogging bizarre, bungie and turn 10 to death for their big-name sequels.
Hopefuly this lets people see that they are both as bad as each other when it comes to showing a bit of respect for the compeition.
It would seem that only Nintedno know how to keep their mouths shut, then again there too busy counting all that money to care about cheap shots like these ones.
Let's be honest, StonecoldMC. If anyone deserves a verbal roasting, it's MS.
Cheap shot, or not, he's only telling the truth.
Not that I agree with this sort of shenanigans, but if you can't take it, then don't give it.
What a load of rubbish every time a multiplatform game comes out you always see the 360 version of the same game in a higher chart position for the US and UK.
Oh it's perfectly ok for Sony to go around saying this sort of crap, but at the mear mention of something negative about the competition from the MS camp (which is never on this scale - these comments are on the verge of fanboyism), we never hear the end of it?
There really are double standards amongst some of the users here.
Oh it's perfectly ok for Sony to go around saying this sort of crap, but at the mear mention of something negative about the competition from the MS camp (which is never on this scale - these comments are on the verge of fanboyism), we never hear the end of it?
There really are double standards amongst some of the users here.
yehh you for a start pal, had to put up with b******s from MS for years (im sure cvg have got all the records, maybe they should have a PR attack score) this is the most "vicious" from a sony exec, all looks to be a fairly perceptive account of events though. Anyway ,told myself i wasnt going to touch this post with a barge poll, that lasted long didnt it!!
The PS3 will not overtake the 360 worldwide despite the delusional crap this muppet is spouting. As per usual a Sony cretin trying to bad-mouth the competition...I can see Bill et al shaking in their boots as we speak!
Install bases don't mean anything if you can't catch the competition.
His comments on first party teams are spot on though. Throwing money at third party teams to make titles exclusive is silly considering they'll probably eventually come out on the competition.
Look at Ninga Giaden for example and the fact that Dragon Age turned up on PS3 shows how fragile exclusive deals are with third part companies are and other titles such as Mass Effect 2 may eventually turn up. Hell, there was talk for a long time that MGS4 would turn up on Xbox 360. Sony can afford to lose titles like Final Fantasy and Quantum as long as they continue to produce quality first party titles such as Little Big Planet, Resistance, Uncharted, Motorstorm, Ratchet and Clank, Last Guardian, Heavey Rain, God of War, Grand Turismo etc.
While Mass Effect 2 has being doing the rounds, Sony has released MAG and prepped Heavy Rain and God of War 3. With Alan Wake, White Knight, Splinter Cell and Yakuza 3 all incoming, things should get really interesting.
The PS3 will not overtake the 360 worldwide despite the delusional crap this muppet is spouting. As per usual a Sony cretin trying to bad-mouth the competition...I can see Bill et al shaking in their boots as we speak!
"Do not over-estimate the power of Playstation!!"
its been steadily and constantly catching up. and thats despite a years deficit... what do you think is going to happen?
What on earth is he on about? I agree with one of the above posters- Sony could never pursue the same strategy as Microsoft as their console is much harder to develop for, with little better results, if at all! We can see that the MS strategy has also provided at least comparable exclusives to Sony's way. He is wrong to diss them as such! And of course if there are less PS3s then 360s then they will have a higher attach ratio to huge games like madden. Surely publishers care about raw numbers anyway!
Hopefuly this lets people see that they are both as bad as each other when it comes to showing a bit of respect for the compeition.
It would seem that only Nintedno know how to keep their mouths shut, then again there too busy counting all that money to care about cheap shots like these ones.
Let's be honest, StonecoldMC. If anyone deserves a verbal roasting, it's MS.
Cheap shot, or not, he's only telling the truth.
Not that I agree with this sort of shenanigans, but if you can't take it, then don't give it.
He's telling the truth, in what sense?
This is nothing about who can or cant take what, i was merley stating they are as bad as each other. Sony have been quiet because they had too, you cant shout your mouh off when your trailing your competiors by the margin they were, as soon as things start to improve they start trash talking.
As long as we agree that they are both as bad as each other then there is nothing to disagree about. I know you used to think that it was only MS that did this type of thing and believed that Sony wouldnt make these snidey comments, at least we can both see that they do, I think?
what aload of crap he speaks, multi platorm games always sell better on the 360 and newsflash sony madden 10 sold 2.2 million on 360 and only 1.7 on ps3 so i dont know what he is on about lol
SHOCK: Company says it's better than rival company!
Another meaningless statement.
sony have many studios that have creative freedom. all MS are interested in is pumping out the blockbusters. flogging bizarre, bungie and turn 10 to death for their big-name sequels.
This is the worst fanboy thread I've seen in ages. Let no one be under ANY illusion - MS and Sony are both equally money obsessed. No studio has much creative freedom if they're not going to make any cash. End of.
Both companies are flogging sequels, both put out s**t to make money.
This is nothing about who can or cant take what, i was merley stating they are as bad as each other. Sony have been quiet because they had too, you cant shout your mouh off when your trailing your competiors by the margin they were, as soon as things start to improve they start trash talking.
As long as we agree that they are both as bad as each other then there is nothing to disagree about. I know you used to think that it was only MS that did this type of thing and believed that Sony wouldnt make these snidey comments, at least we can both see that they do, I think?
they arent really snidey though. hes telling facts, crudely or not.
not like comments from MS like 'final fantasy will sell more on 360' or 'the 360 is the home of the complete GTA experience'
thats just unfounded trash talk. not what this guy is doing.
I Just hope every Natal sold breaks an starts another mass recall like ring of death then maybe all the loyal M$ fans will realise that Microsoft are a bunch of C0*K SUC*ING C*NTS and all they care about is your wallet,
I Just hope every Natal sold breaks an starts another mass recall like ring of death then maybe all the loyal M$ fans will realise that Microsoft are a bunch of C0*K SUC*ING C*NTS and all they care about is your wallet,
Hopefuly this lets people see that they are both as bad as each other when it comes to showing a bit of respect for the compeition.
It would seem that only Nintedno know how to keep their mouths shut, then again there too busy counting all that money to care about cheap shots like these ones.
Let's be honest, StonecoldMC. If anyone deserves a verbal roasting, it's MS.
Cheap shot, or not, he's only telling the truth.
Not that I agree with this sort of shenanigans, but if you can't take it, then don't give it.
He's telling the truth, in what sense?
This is nothing about who can or cant take what, i was merley stating they are as bad as each other. Sony have been quiet because they had too, you cant shout your mouh off when your trailing your competiors by the margin they were, as soon as things start to improve they start trash talking.
As long as we agree that they are both as bad as each other then there is nothing to disagree about. I know you used to think that it was only MS that did this type of thing and believed that Sony wouldnt make these snidey comments, at least we can both see that they do, I think?
He's telling the truth about 1st parties. Everything else is pure speculation.
And yes, I do see that they both spout PR tripe.
Sadly, there is a football chant - "You only sing when your winning", that is perhaps apt in this tit for tat.
If (and that's a big if) the PS3 does overtake the 360, then we won't hear the end of it, purely because MS (and fanboys) have never stayed quiet about their successes.
Sony (and fanboys) are going to rub their faces in it big time, at every opportunity.
This is crap, the xbox titles are always higher than the PS3 in the charts. So what is he on about. The PS3 is doing well, but with a lot of great exclusive titles and Natal coming out...the worm will turn again
"What we've been finding is that outside of the shooter category we literally over-index every single category
Typical half-truth. Admitting that they're not as successful in one category, then using 'literally' to suggest otherwise. Also, FPS are the biggest catagory by quite a way at the moment, but they mention it as if it was throwaway.
So for instance, with a title like Madden, I think the index was 1.4 to 1.0, which meant we way oversold on PS3 versus 360, given the installed base.
That's just bad statistics. Quoting a figure, then introducing another condition afterwards should always set alarm bells ringing. Also, the fact that there are no actual numbers raises a flag. Sure, it's all true, but maybe just not relevant.
He attacks MS for not having 1st party developers, but doesn't mention the fact that most of the PS3's biggest sellers have been produced by 3rd party devs.
The last paragraph is full of speculation based on... Well, we have no idea. Because there is no evidence given:
...and we're going to catch them and pass them here in the U.S. as well.
Nothing but a personal prediction.
I don't support Microsoft, but I will try to show up anyone who thinks any of these companies are any different. They're the same. They're all fronted by suits who know exactly how to play the business game, and will try any tactic to improve their share and damage the competition.
This is nothing about who can or cant take what, i was merley stating they are as bad as each other. Sony have been quiet because they had too, you cant shout your mouh off when your trailing your competiors by the margin they were, as soon as things start to improve they start trash talking.
As long as we agree that they are both as bad as each other then there is nothing to disagree about. I know you used to think that it was only MS that did this type of thing and believed that Sony wouldnt make these snidey comments, at least we can both see that they do, I think?
they arent really snidey though. hes telling facts, crudely or not.
not like comments from MS like 'final fantasy will sell more on 360' or 'the 360 is the home of the complete GTA experience'
thats just unfounded trash talk. not what this guy is doing.
"They have very few first-party studios at Microsoft. Bungie's next Halo is the last one, Rare rarely puts out anything, you've got Peter Molyneux with his Fable stuff... but they don't have first-party development studios inside at Redmond or anywhere for that matter. We do. So rather than putting their money behind that, they've been going to Epic or Valve or BioWare to do what they did with Mass Effect, and that's where they throw their dollars."
None of that is snidey ? Rare dont put anything out? Kameo, Nuts and Bolts, 2 Viva Pinata's? No 1st party Devs? 343 Industries, Spawnpoint, Firebird, Big Park as well as the ones we all know.
So he's being snidey and telling lies? What a guy!
This is crap, the xbox titles are always higher than the PS3 in the charts. So what is he on about. The PS3 is doing well, but with a lot of great exclusive titles and Natal coming out...the worm will turn again
This is crap, the xbox titles are always higher than the PS3 in the charts. So what is he on about. The PS3 is doing well, but with a lot of great exclusive titles and Natal coming out...the worm will turn again
The PlayStation 3 has a better range of exclusives this year than Xbox 360 ... despite temptation, I haven't pasted any lists!!!
the ones we know total less than the insignificant ones you had to dig up.
that will hold more weight if you can tie a decent game to each of they unknown developers.
or if rare actually put out something other than a kiddie party game. from legendary FPS goldeneye, to wacking a stuffed mexican cardboard donkey.
if i say i have no money, doesnt have to be litteral, just that im skint. still have money. just isnt significant.
rare are insignificant this gen. bet MS thought they made the best business move ever, snapping up the makers of goldeneye on the N64... haha. what a disappointment to say the least.
You try and have a decent argument, and what happens? Your points get ignored and people take pot shots at good games because they can't bring themselves to concede anything or say anything that might go against they're masters at their chosen company.
I'm done with this thread, you fanboys have fun now.
P.S. GT5 is going to be the worst game ever and it stole everything off Forza and PD are dinosaurs and I bet Kratos will be a drivable car to try and get more sales and Ratchet and whateverhisnameis will be the mechanics to fix your car and MS will probably get it as an exclusive on XBox anyway roflolwtfhahahah!!!!1!!1!1!1
This is crap, the xbox titles are always higher than the PS3 in the charts. So what is he on about. The PS3 is doing well, but with a lot of great exclusive titles and Natal coming out...the worm will turn again
The PlayStation 3 has a better range of exclusives this year than Xbox 360 ... despite temptation, I haven't pasted any lists!!!
Sorry Starsail, that's utter bollox. Certainly for me anyway, the 360 has a better lineup of exclusives this year. I'm only interested in God of war 3 for the ps3. Some of the others mentioned on ps3 will slip into 2011(mark my words).
Its only the UK and USA where the 360 still leads, and every week the PS3 outsells the 360. By the end of xmas 2010, the 360 will be in last place. If you keep track of the worldwide charts, then you'll see this too.
You just cant see the woods for the trees grasshopper.
Its funny how we can agree on TV programmes, we even seem to like the same ones, but when it comes down to MS and Sony you are clearly blinkered, which is something that I dont understand.
You would call out Greenburg for doing something similiar but Sony seem to get a free pass in your eyes. Again, I just dont understand how you do it.
I find it hilarious that some people think that Microsoft is the big scary capitalist monster ripping off the consumer, whilst Sony is a nice friendly hardware company which does everything for love. What a load of tripe. Microsoft may be throwing money around to third party devs to get exclusive deals, but that's not much different from running internal studios, is it? It's just money at the end of the day, and the result is the same. I own both consoles. I bought the PS3 for LittleBigPlanet and the Xbox for Halo3
Microsoft may be throwing money around to third party devs to get exclusive deals, but that's not much different from running internal studios, is it? It's just money at the end of the day, and the result is the same.
Are you stupid? The MS way takes games away from other consoles and gamers. The Sony way ADDS games to the market. I am not particulary a fan of one or the other as i have both consoles, but i rather have new 1st party exclusives from MS than them putting fences on 3rd party games. The MS way limits the market, the Sony way expands it.
I own both a PS3 & Xbox 360, the Xbox is by far the better console. The ease of use, online services, exclusive titles and value for money means the 360 wins hands down.
I enjoyed uncharted, LBP & Infamous on the PS3, but sorry, it's not worth its current price.
As for reliability, the 360 is a launch console and has gone wrong once (covered by Microsofts warranty). The PS3 has gone wrong twice (once covered & once having to be paid for) and freezes on average three times a week. To be honest, next time my PS3 packs up, I think it's going to be dumped for good.
Microsoft may be throwing money around to third party devs to get exclusive deals, but that's not much different from running internal studios, is it? It's just money at the end of the day, and the result is the same.
Are you stupid? The MS way takes games away from other consoles and gamers. The Sony way ADDS games to the market. I am not particulary a fan of one or the other as i have both consoles, but i rather have new 1st party exclusives from MS than them putting fences on 3rd party games. The MS way limits the market, the Sony way expands it.
You can say anything has outsold anything when you manipulate it by userbase.
There are 1.5million Kindles worldwide as of Q409, so you could say that an e-book from Amazon selling 500k to Kindle users is better than an actual book selling 10million copies, because the userbase for book sales is the literate population of the Earth, so in percentage terms, the Kindle wins...
But that's business, you spin whatever you can, whenever you can to give a perceived competitive advantage.
I don't know if Sony payed them for the exclusive on Demon Souls, so can't comment on that. But there is a difference between funding a game and putting a fence around it. And sure, Sony probably does this too. But lets be honest, Sony publishes a lot more games than MS does.
The guy is a jerk and I am sure if Microsoft was paying him more then sony the 360 would be the best consloe. do not belive everything you read on the internet.
sony struck a deal for an exclusive rockstar game before ps3 was even out - or agent was even in development!
they didnt snatch it off anyone... rockstar is developing their exclusive sandbox on blu-ray, wisely using the ps3's advantages... giving them a chance to do something they couldnt do before on crossplatorm.
they are fulfilling their contract in the best way possible, for sony and rockstar.
360 couldnt have it even if they wanted it. chopping a sandbox into multiple dics? dont think so.
Microsoft may be throwing money around to third party devs to get exclusive deals, but that's not much different from running internal studios, is it? It's just money at the end of the day, and the result is the same.
Are you stupid? The MS way takes games away from other consoles and gamers. The Sony way ADDS games to the market. I am not particulary a fan of one or the other as i have both consoles, but i rather have new 1st party exclusives from MS than them putting fences on 3rd party games. The MS way limits the market, the Sony way expands it.
Erm are you stupid as well? Most of Sony's studios were third party studios originally, so Sony bought them up and by your logic stopped thier games and new IPs from being shared with the rest of the gaming universe!
The only real difference with 1st and 3rd party exclusives is the amount of risk and profit that the platform holder takes.
I own all 3 consoles and prefer any type of exclusive as they generally push the platform further and stop me having to debate which format to choose
well i have to say that looking at the exclusives on PS3 this year there is not a huge amount to shout about.
I played the demo of Heavy Rain and to me it is nothing more than a nice looking Wii game - plays more like the old Dragons Lair games than a next gen game. as it has been proven many times, fancy graphics do not make a game, the game needs to be playable and enjoyable also.
MAG has not had the stella reception that was expected, picking up average at best reviews from anyone that is not affiliated with Sony.
God of War 3 will be interesing and may be worth a dabble but it is not a console seller.
When it comes to GT5 that holds no interest for me what so ever as i dont play racing games.
So the argument that Sony have better exclusives is completely subjective.
if the shoe was on the other foot you would all be raving about how amazing Mass Effect 2 (which it is), Forza, Halo and Gears etc are.
I have both consoles but due to the bluray drive on my PS3 dying and Sony charging me Ł100 to fix it i favour my 360 for gaming - and yes i have had the RROD but never once paid to get it repaired.
I don't know if Sony payed them for the exclusive on Demon Souls, so can't comment on that. But there is a difference between funding a game and putting a fence around it. And sure, Sony probably does this too. But lets be honest, Sony publishes a lot more games than MS does.
Sony publishes more games than MS, yes but quality is better than quantity.
I don't know if Sony payed them for the exclusive on Demon Souls, so can't comment on that. But there is a difference between funding a game and putting a fence around it. And sure, Sony probably does this too. But lets be honest, Sony publishes a lot more games than MS does.
MS hasnt been in this Game as long Nintendo or Sony and they are constantly playing catchup, for them 3rd part is necessary just now. I hope to see that change in the future as well, I just get annoyed when people question one party whilst giving others free reign to do what they want.
Ill say it again for about the 5th time, when it comes down to business (not Games), they are both as bad as each other.
StonecoldMC sadly most of the poeple on this thread are too busy trying to justify the purchase of their console than appreciating the business side of things.
Games are there for entertainment and enjoyment but too many people get wrapped up in the futile "my console is better than yours" debate instead of enjoying what is available.
Erm are you stupid as well? Most of Sony's studios were third party studios originally, so Sony bought them up and by your logic stopped thier games and new IPs from being shared with the rest of the gaming universe!
So was Bungie, Rare, Lionhead studio's etc. Point being? EA, Ubi,Activision and MS have all, like Sony, bought studio's. But thats not the point we were discussing here now were we. The point was about buying excl. on 3rd party games.
There is a fine difference between giving money to a developer to make a game, or giving money to a publisher to NOT release a game on another platform.
fairplay its about time sony pulled they're finger out and started hitting back and showing the ?sony ps2 attitude? of old again like someones already said!
im suspicious of this sudden turn in mood by sony though, what have they got planned that we don't know about.......yet?? why are they in a good mood
Forums running dry? here's an idea, post some fanboy bate as news... 50+ posts... LMFAO
But seriously the guys got a point. While Sony are trying to invest in developing their own first party games, MS do what they always do and buy everything.
What does this mean to us gamers? NOTHING. You buy the console that has the games YOU want. Neither is better than the other.
As stated in the quote, FPS genre is still stronger on Xbox, but other genre's are more popular on PS3. Buy the machine which has the games you want and STFU
MS hasnt been in this Game as long Nintendo or Sony and they are constantly playing catchup, for them 3rd part is necessary just now. I hope to see that change in the future as well, I just get annoyed when people question one party whilst giving others free reign to do what they want.
Thats a joke right? Trying to get MS in the underdog position? MS has been making and publishing games for a VERY long time. They were in it when Sony was still making hifi sets and Walkmans. This is not their first console you know. Edit: Meaning they were doing games on PC long before consoles.
Ill say it again for about the 5th time, when it comes down to business (not Games), they are both as bad as each other.
I've always thought the PS3 would eventually outsell the 360 at some point- does it make it the better console? When the crazy frog got to number 1 in the music charts was that the best tune at the time?
No. At least not for myself. I enjoy my PS3 from time to time but my Xbox gets the majority of my attention. Gamers just want to enjoy the games, fanboys see it as some kind of race (with extra willy waving).
The fact people are STILL seeing Sony as some kind of angelic wonder company is both hilarious and sad. After all the 'stunts' they've pulled- effectively screwing over their customers I wouldn't be placing them on a pedestal- nor would I MS or Nintendo either.
I've always thought the PS3 would eventually outsell the 360 at some point- does it make it the better console? When the crazy frog got to number 1 in the music charts was that the best tune at the time?
No. At least not for myself. I enjoy my PS3 from time to time but my Xbox gets the majority of my attention. Gamers just want to enjoy the games, fanboys see it as some kind of race (with extra willy waving).
The fact people are STILL seeing Sony as some kind of angelic wonder company is both hilarious and sad. After all the 'stunts' they've pulled- effectively screwing over their customers I wouldn't be placing them on a pedestal- nor would I MS or Nintendo either.
Does he think 360 owners sit down of an evening, fire up Mass Effect 2/Halo/Gears whatever and think 'man, PS3 sales have picked up, how depressing'. No, they play their chosen game on their chosen console.
'Microsoft don't have internal studios, they just throw cash at outside developers'. Ok... The point being? It results in the same thing, exclusive titles for the console. Two different approaches, same result.
Who is this information for? Who is he talking to, trying to impress?
Microsoft and Sony could do with shutting their traps and getting on with giving gamers what we want i.e. decent games, not PR bullsh!t no one but the pitiful fanboys who can possibly use it as a barb against their sworn nemesis give a crap about... Anyone else getting a little bored?
But and the big but is Games are still selling largely more on the 360 just because you have a smaller installed base means jack sh@t . they dont like it because MS and nintendo has stolen their thunder . Sony are no longer top dog . Simple as that
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I'm not sure what you're referring to, but I'm definitely feeling some pity right now.
Erm are you stupid as well? Most of Sony's studios were third party studios originally, so Sony bought them up and by your logic stopped thier games and new IPs from being shared with the rest of the gaming universe!
So was Bungie, Rare, Lionhead studio's etc. Point being? EA, Ubi,Activision and MS have all, like Sony, bought studio's. But thats not the point we were discussing here now were we. The point was about buying excl. on 3rd party games.
There is a fine difference between giving money to a developer to make a game, or giving money to a publisher to NOT release a game on another platform.
I can't think of many 3rd party games that were going to be for all formats but were paid to be on one format can only think of GTA DLC on Xbox, Ghostbusters, Full Auto 2 and Haze on PS3 - most of those were only timed deals.
If anything MS have been spending more of thier money to stop those traditional single format PS3 exclusives - final fantasy, Tekken, GTA, Agent - which by your previous arguements I'm sure you will agree is a good thing...
Haha, props to the man for actually standing up and giving it some!
But, he has to say that to bolster Sonys 'manliness' (sorry ladies).
Although he may have a point with MS paying big dollar out to publishers/devs to have the exclusives, Sony have only done the same except they outright buy their Devs before a publisher gets them and then rename them Sony 'input location here'.
Neither company has a bad idea but MS dont cover the fact they pay for exclusives so they are destined to come under fire.
Did nobody consider the fact that Sony might want consumers to compare the 360 and the PS3?
When you have a console that is more powerful than the competition and has a better spec (no disc-drive, quicker controller charging, Bluray, etc) you would want people to argue about the merits...
In doing so it exposes the fact that one is vastly superior!
To give an analogy it’s like two guys arguing who’s the toughest – the best way to find out is to have a rumble!
I think a lot of people bought 360s on the initial bandwagon but this is rapidly slowing. There will always be a hardcore who want the Halo/Gears series etc but the days when the PS3 was viewed as having no games are long gone – in fact Sony have the best and most original list of exclusives this year by far!
If anything MS have been spending more of thier money to stop those traditional single format PS3 exclusives - final fantasy, Tekken, GTA, Agent - which by your previous arguements I'm sure you will agree is a good thing...
Actually yes, it is. I want MS to make more exclusive games. The key word is MAKE. FF etc. going multi-platform is fine by me. I couldn't care less. I just want MS to focus on creating new things (and not some stupid s**t like Natal). 1st party games are on a whole more interesting.
Yes the blu-ray disc does give an advantage, for storage. If you are to compare games on both consoles, the XBOX version is always better. The online is better. The controller is better. I sold my PS3.... With Natal, Splinter Cell, Mass Effect and ALan Wake out or coming this year the Xbox will begin to shift more units the the PS3.
the ps3 has been going from strength to strength since it was launched. now its doing better than its ever done.
what is there to spin?!
Well SVD, I hate to break to you but... the bit about Madden 10 is spin (if not a complete lie). I'm not sticking up for any company here cos ultimately I don't give a shit. But there is spin there. Someone else did mention that before.
And your grammar etc isn't always right either Just thought I'd point that out (I spot mistake in mine and go back to edit them. I guess that's what journalism does to you).
You're right- it's pointless trying to argue against fanboys- I guess CVG is as good a place as any to lent them 'vent'.
Just gets tiresome sifting through endless arguements to find a comment from someone who actually knows what they're talking about/enjoys gaming and isn't interested in all this console wars guff. This thread in particualar is one massive flamebait.
this thread of full of people who (supposedly) dont give a s**t... yet have proceeded to spout off in a manner similar to this sony exec.
though he's running a business. you all just like to get on your high horses... bitches.
dont give a s**t? prove it and ignore it.
or admit you think you're a better breed of human being (trying to prove fanboys wrong) good luck with that one.
LOL fair point SVD. Same with all flame wars though isn't it? It's usually other peoples stupidity that cause us to get involved... If you are going to make a point, at least make it without sounding like this:
All I have to say is... Can you feel it den neh, Can you feel it den ney can you feel it! Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha Xbox rentboys ahah ahahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahhahhahhahahhahhhaahahahhahahahhha Your Console is s**t ahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhah!!!
One of the most consistently vacuous cretins to ever disgrace a forum.
Surely someone's personal preference can't be wrong? Whatever console you own YOU'RE RIGHT!! Obviously Sony and Microsoft are going to waffle to get your money, they're businesses, it's what they do. I'm with the immortal Bill Hicks on this one. To hell with marketing. I say again, Whatever console you own, YOU'RE RIGHT!
There can be only two reasons for Sony suddenly coming out with a lot of "own trumpet blowing" press releases, we're better for developers, we're running short of PS3's...
a) They're running scared that the spike in sales caused bythe slim has dropped off again as seen with the last lot of NPD figures which had it running third in the biggest market out there,
b) They've got a big release coming and want to generate some publicity.
All I have to say is... Can you feel it den neh, Can you feel it den ney can you feel it! Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha Xbox rentboys ahah ahahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahhahhahhahahhahhhaahahahhahahahhha Your Console is s**t ahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhah!!!
Euthanasia anyone?
Somoeone was obviously starved of Oxygen at birth... how do those windows taste son?
this thread of full of people who (supposedly) dont give a s**t... yet have proceeded to spout off in a manner similar to this sony exec.
though he's running a business. you all just like to get on your high horses... bitches.
dont give a s**t? prove it and ignore it.
or admit you think you're a better breed of human being (trying to prove fanboys wrong) good luck with that one.
LOL fair point SVD. Same with all flame wars though isn't it? It's usually other peoples stupidity that cause us to get involved... If you are going to make a point, at least make it without sounding like this:
All I have to say is... Can you feel it den neh, Can you feel it den ney can you feel it! Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha Xbox rentboys ahah ahahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahhahhahhahahhahhhaahahahhahahahhha Your Console is s**t ahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhah!!!
One of the most consistently vacuous cretins to ever disgrace a forum.
haha. i make no bones about it but thats the thing - key difference.
I personally have both the 360 and PS3 and I can easily say that the 360 is by far the better machine. The PS3 is meant to be however many times more powerful that the 360 but yet there is no evidence of this at all.
The graphics look no different AT ALL on cross platform games and the xbox live service is light years ahead of the playstation network.
Sony has failed with the PS3 and I will hold onto my money for their next console. However I will be straight into the shops to get the next xbox.
Microsoft have the capability to completely blow away the competition which is what they have done with the PS3 - money talks and Microsoft splash alot of cash to make sure the 360 is better in every way.....and it definately is !
So many people have moved from playstation to xbox. PS2 was definately better than the original xbox but this round goes to Microsoft easily.
Also the playstation pad is so bad for shooters as the thumb sticks are not spread out correctly - yet again another area where microsoft has got it right
It's nice to know that despite all the mum comments and swearing, the arguements amount to nothing. Even points of substance or fanboyism won't change anybody's opinion, only to show the person up as infantile.
"get a grip you. already had that spiel off some other xbot.
do you just tag your case for the xbox being the best system onto any ps3 post at all?!
and just when it couldnt get any worse... there it is... the f**king D-pad!
go shoot yourself. f**king pathetic"
I aint an xbox fanboy you f**king snooker cue as I have both systems. Its simply fact that the 360 is the better machine - if you could afford both you'd see you f**king retard.
"get a grip you. already had that spiel off some other xbot.
do you just tag your case for the xbox being the best system onto any ps3 post at all?!
and just when it couldnt get any worse... there it is... the f**king D-pad!
go shoot yourself. f**king pathetic"
I aint an xbox fanboy you f**king snooker cue as I have both systems. Its simply fact that the 360 is the better machine - if you could afford both you'd see you f**king retard.
"get a grip you. already had that spiel off some other xbot.
do you just tag your case for the xbox being the best system onto any ps3 post at all?!
and just when it couldnt get any worse... there it is... the f**king D-pad!
go shoot yourself. f**king pathetic"
I aint an xbox fanboy you f**king snooker cue as I have both systems. Its simply fact that the 360 is the better machine - if you could afford both you'd see you f**king retard.
i think the playstation pad is easily better, what are you crapping on about. Just so you know, and this is fact,The ps3 is the most powerful machine out of the 3 ,but most diffilcult to program for , the wii is the least powerful but easiest to program . Both the ps and the xbox are meaty machines ,and the difference isnt as much as some people would let you believe, but there is a difference, even though its hard to see at the moment, in fact most multi format have been better on 360,so far any differances which favour ps3 have been small ie rain effects in modern warfare, however the new crysis engine looks just a little better on ps3 People saying that they've reached the limit of the xbox360 and ps3 ,is a little premature also, and to be honest ,i think by the time you see the difference in the games (about 2-3 years), xbox will drop there next machine. The difference maker in my view is the 3d for Sony and Natal for 360, but then Nintendo have got big news coming , so that might make this whole thing look rather daft.
If the PS3 was better then I would admit it but other than the Blu-ray player I can tsee 1 single thing that it has over the 360
You know its true
And the pad thing wht do you think they invented the XCM Cross Battle Adapter 2.0 for PlayStation 3 so that PS3 users can use the 360 pad on the console
If you notice there isnt a device that lets you use the PS3 pad on 360 because the PS3 pad is s**t
Not wanting to get involved with this little debate- but do you know where I can get one of those battle adaptor things from? Amazon have it going at nearly Ł40 and I ain't paying that!
If the PS3 was better then I would admit it but other than the Blu-ray player I can tsee 1 single thing that it has over the 360
You know its true
And the pad thing wht do you think they invented the XCM Cross Battle Adapter 2.0 for PlayStation 3 so that PS3 users can use the 360 pad on the console
If you notice there isnt a device that lets you use the PS3 pad on 360 because the PS3 pad is s**t
Sony strikes another massive blow to the Xbox 360 console. This is the most truthful and best thing i ever heard from the master at Sony corp. Microsoft has been publicize damage for wasting money on useless s**t.
If the PS3 was better then I would admit it but other than the Blu-ray player I can tsee 1 single thing that it has over the 360
You know its true
And the pad thing wht do you think they invented the XCM Cross Battle Adapter 2.0 for PlayStation 3 so that PS3 users can use the 360 pad on the console
If you notice there isnt a device that lets you use the PS3 pad on 360 because the PS3 pad is s**t
You know its true, err hello, have i entered the twilight zone. I'll try again The ps3 3 chip is more advanced than the xenon in the 360, both developed by IBM ,the cell chip can do almost double the amount of floating point calculations for example,now if that power is too difficult to program then it may be a fairly mute point, but just giving you the fact ,that the ps 3 is technologically more advanced than the 360, now that's a fact you have to read what the chips specs are , you cant see it by looking at it. Whereas the 360 controller you can see , now maybe its just a case of "what you know" but the ps controller has won design awards for its excellent ergonomic design. The day i plug XCM Cross Battle Adapter 2.0 into my ps to operate it with a white lump of plastic cheese,i'll let you know mate, just dont hold your breath. And by the way dont want a debate about it, if you like your controller ,nice one ,enjoy it, but its just diffilcult to use logic when its so obvious to me (ha,ha ), i might as well go and argue with a cider fuelled tramp
this thread of full of people who (supposedly) dont give a shit... yet have proceeded to spout off in a manner similar to this sony exec.
though he's running a business. you all just like to get on your high horses... bitches.
dont give a shit? prove it and ignore it.
or admit you think you're a better breed of human being (trying to prove fanboys wrong) good luck with that one.
Hey, if this is an indirect reponse to what I said, then its rather pointless against me (though I know what you mean in general terms). I only say this because I didn't comment on what the Sony guy said, just what you said. I was talking about grammar and spin. There is spin on the Madden statement and your grammar is pretty bad, dude (you were taking a shot at that pther guy about his). I actually agree to some extent with what he says, but I don't care enough to use it against other people on here.
Of course if it wasn't a response to mine, then I apologise.
The ps3 3 chip is more advanced than the xenon in the 360, both developed by IBM ,the cell chip can do almost double the amount of floating point calculations for example,now if that power is too difficult to program then it may be a fairly mute point, but just giving you the fact ,that the ps 3 is technologically more advanced than the 360, now that's a fact you have to read what the chips specs are , you cant see it by looking at it.
That old chestnut....do you play floating point calculations or do you play games on your console?
You forget to mention the PS3's bottlenecking GPU and memory limitations though.
On topic...why do we as gamers care about sales figures?...that's for the manufacturers to worry about - not us.
And for anyone claiming that Sony will catch Microsoft up (regardless of how un-important it actually is) it's not going to be anytime soon. Sony are still millions behind and when they do claw anything back it's a few thousand at a time.......
What will happen when/if Sony do actually catch M$ up? Does the PS3 suddenly become a great console? Not in my book, it will become a great console when it gets some great games, although I haven't seen any indication that might happen any time soon.
why do you ps3 owners keep brining up the fact that microsoft have the cash to pay for exclusives like it's a bad thing.
Most playstation owners dont have a clue of the history of the brand, cause if they did they would know that back in the day sony done the same thing to put Sega in the looney bin.
Just face it kids, sony dont have as much pocket money. Get over it.
As for catching up....urm...yeh. What, you think microsoft will just sit by and give them a chance? wake up, it's not gonna happen any time soon. Microsofts xbox 360 was there chance to establish a brand, if micro dnt dominate this war they will certainly dominate the next, now that they have a strong foothold.
I can understand your bitterness, but to be honest it's payback time. Us older generation of gamers will never forget how sony used there clout to appeal to gamers who suffered from lack of imagination and the inability to not understand colours. That explains the little shapes you have on ur buttons, for your simple minds.
Sony will fall and get a taste of there own medicine, I will sit back and enjoy the show. Bring back sega!
Oh and one more thing for those illeterate fools that seem to think sony console is superior technologicaly. Yes blu ray is the only thing it has going for it.
Get your fact straight instead of pasting some document u googled. 360's graphics chip is far superior to ps3', that is what counts. Processor wise yes ps3 has the grunt but this is counter balanced with the crap graphics card they have. All ports on xbox 360 are sharper and textures loads better. Bayonetta anyone. That game was ruined on ps3.
Oh and one more thing for those illeterate fools that seem to think sony console is superior technologicaly. Yes blu ray is the only thing it has going for it.
Get your fact straight instead of pasting some document u googled. 360's graphics chip is far superior to ps3', that is what counts. Processor wise yes ps3 has the grunt but this is counter balanced with the crap graphics card they have. All ports on xbox 360 are sharper and textures loads better. Bayonetta anyone. That game was ruined on ps3.
Get an education you five year old clowns
Ileterate? Kind of ironic you saying anyone needs an education.
I'm not even going to try and counter the ridiculous arguments in this thread - we all know it's the 360 being the lead development console which makes for bad ports most of the time.
In fact, wasn't it Bioshock 2 which was supposed to look a bit better on PS3? Honestly can't remember!
Either way, when the 360 can run a game with 256 simultaneous players and when it can handle a game as pretty as Uncharted 2...that's when I'll take notice of these brash claims!
sony should be catching microsoft they have had 3 goes at making consoles and they have always been a hardware manufacturer. there system should be the best but it aint. they both have there good points and bad. i own both consoles and split my time between both. i record tv on my ps3 put movies on the hdd and watch blu ray movies its great for that and for some games. but when it comes down to it, its all about the games and the 360 has some fantastic exclusive games getting released such as alan wake, halo reach, splinter cell. so what if there not made by microsoft. microsoft have backed the creators of these games and releasing them on there system and remember this is microsofts 2nd attempt at a console and sonys 3rd so i dont think they are doing to bad. another thing to think about is most people who do by the ps3 now cos its a cheap blu ray player and half the time games that are released on both systems, there is more bought on the 360 mainly because of how good xbox live is. i wont forget about the ps3 exclusives as these are good too, god of war3, gt5 which has only taken about 7 years to make and each time one of those is made there is a forza motorsport to compete with it and they are getting better each time. one more thing that might upset those ps3 only owners, if the ps3 is so much more powerfull which it aint why is it that a game such as modern wafare 2 run and a smooth 60fps on the 360 and drops all other the place on the ps3 and non of this crap or the developers cant use the ps3 devlopment kits right. i think all devlopers have had time now to make a game look better and run smoother on the ps3. but they cant cos it just aint capable of running games as well as the 360. probably also because the software that is behind the machine isnt as good either. granted games such as uncharted and killzone look fantastic but there is games on the 360 that are out such as gears of war 2 or even the 1st one which look and more importantly play awsome. i bet when you see the finnished alan wake that might just make you want to buy a 360. or just buy the console that you dont have then you dont have to have these arguments other which one is best.
The ps3 3 chip is more advanced than the xenon in the 360, both developed by IBM ,the cell chip can do almost double the amount of floating point calculations for example,now if that power is too difficult to program then it may be a fairly mute point, but just giving you the fact ,that the ps 3 is technologically more advanced than the 360, now that's a fact you have to read what the chips specs are , you cant see it by looking at it.
That old chestnut....do you play floating point calculations or do you play games on your console?
You forget to mention the PS3's bottlenecking GPU and memory limitations though.
On topic...why do we as gamers care about sales figures?...that's for the manufacturers to worry about - not us.
And for anyone claiming that Sony will catch Microsoft up (regardless of how un-important it actually is) it's not going to be anytime soon. Sony are still millions behind and when they do claw anything back it's a few thousand at a time.......
What will happen when/if Sony do actually catch M$ up? Does the PS3 suddenly become a great console? Not in my book, it will become a great console when it gets some great games, although I haven't seen any indication that might happen any time soon.
Graphics chip in ps3 does have less memory but is clocked a little faster than the xenos in the 360 . Xenos is connected to the hd 2000 series ,rsx in the ps3 is linked to the geforce 7800. So although not much in it , the geforce is at least as good ,but in actuality a smidgy bit better . floating point calculations are quite important,but i dont play them ,just to clarify on your highly scientific response (dick head!) Even with a year headstart on development ,by the end of this year ps3 games will look better i suspect. Anyway ,lists can be annoying ,but in this case i really would like to ask owners who have both the 360 and ps3 machines in a unbiased poll to list the top ten prettiest games on there consoles. Not talking about online capability because 360 would have it there with the unified approach adopted by microsoft,or the fact that mag on the ps3 can handle more online players , just the best looking games(from people who own both consoles),that are out now,ta
Graphics chip in ps3 does have less memory but is clocked a little faster than the xenos in the 360 . Xenos is connected to the hd 2000 series ,rsx in the ps3 is linked to the geforce 7800. So although not much in it , the geforce is at least as good ,but in actuality a smidgy bit better . floating point calculations are quite important,but i dont play them
Err no, in a simple GPU contest the 360's GPU (nothing to do with the 2000 series) is better than the PS3 RSX (which is actually nv47 therefore a modified 7900GT). The GPU in the 360 has much more advanced programmable shaders so it will almost always be working efficiently unlike the nv47 as many shaders will be dormant/unused when not being called to do any work. Nvidia didn't start using unified pipeline architecture in their PC GPU's until the 8 series.
It's strange how you start talking about floating point calculations, this is just one area in which the GPU works in....and Nvidia have always used brute force against ATI's efficient architecture - there are lots of other areas in which the 360 GPU is better than the RSX.
Even with a year headstart on development ,by the end of this year ps3 games will look better i suspect.
Whatever. The PS3 and it's many loyal fans have been saying that every single year since the consoles release in 2006...yet they remain virtually identical in 2010.
Why are you using this crappy disclaimer of the year head start anyway? If RSX is supposedly better (in your opinion) than xenos and undoubtedly you think that the Cell is the best thing since sliced bread (after looking at your other 'frothing at the mouth posts regarding the cell' then why isn't the PS3 kicking out games which not only look better but are in a whole different ball park to the 360's games? I suppose that question will only end up with another disclaimer about how it's more tricky to code on PS3's architecture lol. At the end of the day, we've heard all the excuses over and over again yet the games remain the same across the two consoles.
I think you'll find that the limitations are more to do with the system bottlenecks that are present in both consoles that are the problem area....either console can do photorealistic graphics now but neither console has the horsepower or brute force to render and animate graphics like that in true HD resolutions.
If the 360 or PS3 had lots more left in the bank, you'd certainly have been seeing more games at 1080p and 60fps and above....there is a reason why you haven't seen that but judging your previous posts you're not the person who is going to understand it anyway.
Graphics chip in ps3 does have less memory but is clocked a little faster than the xenos in the 360 . Xenos is connected to the hd 2000 series ,rsx in the ps3 is linked to the geforce 7800. So although not much in it , the geforce is at least as good ,but in actuality a smidgy bit better . floating point calculations are quite important,but i dont play them
Err no, in a simple GPU contest the 360's GPU (nothing to do with the 2000 series) is better than the PS3 RSX (which is actually nv47 therefore a modified 7900GT). The GPU in the 360 has much more advanced programmable shaders so it will almost always be working efficiently unlike the nv47 as many shaders will be dormant/unused when not being called to do any work. Nvidia didn't start using unified pipeline architecture in their PC GPU's until the 8 series.
It's strange how you start talking about floating point calculations, this is just one area in which the GPU works in....and Nvidia have always used brute force against ATI's efficient architecture - there are lots of other areas in which the 360 GPU is better than the RSX.
Even with a year headstart on development ,by the end of this year ps3 games will look better i suspect.
Whatever. The PS3 and it's many loyal fans have been saying that every single year since the consoles release in 2006...yet they remain virtually identical in 2010.
Why are you using this crappy disclaimer of the year head start anyway? If RSX is supposedly better (in your opinion) than xenos and undoubtedly you think that the Cell is the best thing since sliced bread (after looking at your other 'frothing at the mouth posts regarding the cell' then why isn't the PS3 kicking out games which not only look better but are in a whole different ball park to the 360's games? I suppose that question will only end up with another disclaimer about how it's more tricky to code on PS3's architecture lol. At the end of the day, we've heard all the excuses over and over again yet the games remain the same across the two consoles.
I think you'll find that the limitations are more to do with the system bottlenecks that are present in both consoles that are the problem area....either console can do photorealistic graphics now but neither console has the horsepower or brute force to render and animate graphics like that in true HD resolutions.
If the 360 or PS3 had lots more left in the bank, you'd certainly have been seeing more games at 1080p and 60fps and above....there is a reason why you haven't seen that but judging your previous posts you're not the person who is going to understand it anyway.
Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 are some of the best looking games around (outside Crysis on a "full" spec PC) not to mention some of the best titles available, then there's Gran Turismo 5 (I challenge you find a better looking racer on any format) and God if War 3, not bad for 2006 tech. The reason they don't play overly different from their rivals is because developers have almost maximised the way we play games on the technology. But there will always be innovation up someone's sleeve.
I can't wait to see what Guerrilla and Naughty Dog achieve the more they tinker with the complex architecture of the console but there's very few games out there on a technical side to match those on PS3 (Gears 2 and Alan Wake on Xbox 360 are the only other possible main candidates).
Yeh ,im obviously frothing at the mouth when i say things like the rsx is at least as good and probably a smidgy bit better, (smidgy is quite an aggresive term,i know),or when i say that the cell isnt as good as Sony would have you believe but is in fact a bit more powerfull than the xenon in the xbox 360. little quote from you "Err no, in a simple GPU contest the 360's GPU (nothing to do with the 2000 series) is better than the PS3 RSX"
the fact is the c1 was the code used when developing for the xenos chip and it is the precursor to the R600 desktop PC graphics card series. The R600 is the foundation of the Radeon HD 2000 and 3000 series. HD 2900 is the first card using the r600 core and as wikipedia says, The R600 is the foundation of the Radeon HD 2000/3000 series, so go and have a little look ,perhaps wikipedia (and a number of other sites)wrong and your right, you better tell them quick! you also stated that i was wrong in regards to the foundation of the rsx chip,however 7900GT uses the g71 core ,so your wrong basically,Although there is some controversy over the nv47 naming as some believe it never really existed ,however it really turned into the g70 core however the nv47 is linked to 7800(the GeForce 7800 GTX being the first card out of the stable), Riva Tuner and the Nvidia Developer's Tools see the 7800GTX as the nv47 core. the rsx has a 128 bit bus opposed to the 256 on the 7800 though, now have a look here as i couldnt explain it any better, although it is rather geeky http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=51251,
but i'll print the conclusion so every one can see,
In a nutshell, while RSX beats the hell out of Xenos about rendering data and raw processing performance, Xenos actually is far easier to work with due to its modern architecture, developers having 4-sample anti-aliasing at very little performance cost, DirectX 9 and Shader Model 3.0.
Now if i just quote you "Nvidia have always used brute force against ATI's efficient architecture, again eerrr no, but it is swings and roundabouts ,the first card that Nvidea realsed with 3.0 shader support ,microsoft actually rated it as 3.0 + as it had exceeded the standard.And you do find that AMD can usually clock there cards a little faster (although drivers are often sloppy),but like i said swings and roundabouts , like the current best card by ATI is efficient and the first card to be direct x 11 and it works, so they are in the lead at the moment until the next card from nvidea comes out (Fermi) and that is really something special, ( but they are having a bit of trouble getting it out the door)
So really ,i'll just come back to my original point the Wii is the least powerfull, but the easiest to program for the 360 is the second most powerfull console and the second easiest to program. The ps3 is the most powerful games console out at the moment ,but by all accounts a total bastard to program for.
(theres no point saying that old chestnut, because it just happens to be accurate,like the ps2 ,exactly the same strategy, the most advanced bit of kit ,but exotic difficult machine to get a handle on )
So when i said its a bit of a mute point, if i elaborate ,(although i do think ive already said this) the fact, that the ps3 is more powerful ( and not by a long way you big crybaby) doesnt mean a great deal if you cant get it to work for you
The fact is games like mass effect 2 ,look and work perfectly and work on the unreal engine , and there's many a game to be written using that engine that would look just as good and could be released over the next few years. However a better comparison of tech would be Alan Wake vs Heavy Rain, both started around the same time , both written( i believe)using engines written specifically for the respective machines ,and with graphics that would appear to be the best on both systems. Heavy Rain is out next week ,Alan Wake in September ( i think), obviously people will bicker as to which looks better, but i would suggest that Heavy rain is at least as good looking as wake ,so perhaps the people working on the ps3 tech are starting to get a handle on it.
I also said that most multi format titles have been better on the 360 ,so far apart from infinitesimal differences, like the rain rendering on the modern warfare game being a bit better on ps3, ( so literally nothing to write home about really) and that was my point, doesnt sound too frothy
The cell chip is a better all rounder really and is certainly more suitable to deliver hd content in a more elegant way , than really anything else at the moment, so that will be quite a major factor, in the years to come.
So one last quote from you
" but judging your previous posts you're not the person who is going to understand it anyway."
So to recap ,you were totally wrong about the foundations of both cards , kinda essential when your talking about the architecture,dont you think. Even Dorian said that me and him can have a civilized debate, but not with you,your wrong,you dont check your "facts" and your kind of condescending with it, so off you go you mate, and come back with when youve got something intelligent to say, actually please dont, i couldnt face another "factual "post from you
Further to that (there's always more lol) looking at the way Namco maximised the original Ridge Racer on game on PS One tech, demo-ing it in hi rez running at 60fps with no pop up, showed how far Sony's machines can go when pushed. The demo when compared to the original game looked as if it were running on next gen tech.
It's a bit silly arguing tech and specs, and martinawatson makes a good point but you can't see it (don't know why) however the only obvious conclusion is to let the games do the talking and at the minute, PS3 is leading the way.
Sure you can argue cross platform looks better 'slightly' on Xbox but they'll built on Xbox tech i.e. Bayonetta, but when developed exclusively on PS3 tech we get titles delivered such as God of War 3 (probably not possible on Xbox tech).
Further to that (there's always more lol) looking at the way Namco maximised the original Ridge Racer on game on PS One tech, demo-ing it in hi rez running at 60fps with no pop up, showed how far Sony's machines can go when pushed. The demo when compared to the original game looked as if it were running on next gen tech.
It's a bit silly arguing tech and specs, and martinawatson makes a good point but you can't see it (don't know why) however the only obvious conclusion is to let the games do the talking and at the minute, PS3 is leading the way.
Sure you can argue cross platform looks better 'slightly' on Xbox but they'll built on Xbox tech i.e. Bayonetta, but when developed exclusively on PS3 tech we get titles delivered such as God of War 3 (probably not possible on Xbox tech).
Yehh ,i certainly dont want to bicker over specs anymore, the proof in the pudding is the eating of it, and i reckon (unlike the 360) we've got just a little bit of custard with ours not startin
And one more thing ,lost planet 2 , is this the shape of things to come with size restrictions of DVD. Blue ray doesnt look so pointless now does it folks
martinawatson - it's quite obvious from your posts that you haven't got a clue what you're talking about and don't understand it yet have simply gone looking for some specs on wiki lol
The fact that you rate the Microsoft score as some sort of relevant benchmark says it all.
I'm constantly amazed at the completely ridiculous side these stories bring out in people. Seriously, are people so insecure about their purchase of A F*CKING HOUSEHOLD IMPLEMENT that they have to lap up any old sh*t that the respective companies throws at them, takes it as gospel, then smashes it over the head of opposing fans... It's truly astounding.
I wonder if there are microwave forums where people bicker like this - after all, it's largely the same thing...
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? Rare dont put anything out? Kameo, Nuts and Bolts, 2 Viva Pinata's? No 1st party Devs? 343 Industries, Spawnpoint, Firebird, Big Park as well as the ones we all know.
