Gran Turismo 5 was due out this March before it was delayed, then it was tipped for summer. Now it might not see the light of day until autumn, if words from Sony Entertainment Portugal CEO James Armstrong are anything to go by.
In an interview with Canarias Al Dia (via GT Planet), Armstrong was quoted saying: "We believe that launching the product this fall, before Christmas, but not yet decided," which, in real English, would mean it's not out until autumn although a date STILL isn't set.
Gran Turismo 5
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2:10A replay video of the Academy demo out Dec. 17
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Gran Turismo 5
Gameplay footage
2:10A replay video of the Academy demo out Dec. 17
It sounds like Sony wants to hold the game back for a strategic window, from what we can make of this (decode what you can): "GT 5 is a great hope for Sony, a very important game for the company, which generates much income. We would have wanted him out before but we think the priority we are giving it our best. I'm very confident in this game that we launch this year and help us consolidate PS3 as the console that is large."
Our only hope is that the discombobulated translation somehow misinterprets Armstrong (who looks a bit like the bloke who presents Mock the Week).
I have seriously 0 anticipation for this game now.
Delayed almost as much as Duke Nukem forever and at the end of it all will be Gran Turismo 4 with very limited damage physics, slightly improved engine and improved graphics.
Yet ND can roll out UC2 a couple of years after the first one and almost maximise PS3s hardware usage, create a game that receives critical acclaim status and still have started the 3rd before PD have even finished this dross.
Oh for f**ks sake, you motherf**cking son of a b***h b****rd c**k sucking t**t s**thead a r s e (can I say that on this website?) had to spell out bottom cos they keep changing it to bottom, and now this sentence doesn't make sense.
on a more serious note.... thats disappointing if true, but does seem to tie in with the story about launching with these new fangled 3D televisions later in the year.
I'll believe it when I see it. For a game that was announced as being "finished" in about October and then "about 90% complete" in December, it looks like we're actually moving backwards.
Obvious analogy: I'll get it in the same bundle as Duke Nukem Forever.
Yet ND can roll out UC2 a couple of years after the first one and almost maximise PS3s hardware usage, create a game that receives critical acclaim status and still have started the 3rd before PD have even finished this dross.
Just a slight correction to the above, ND made Uncharted 1, Uncharted 2 and started working on UC3 in the time it has taken PD to make one game, GT5.
Sad really, this is one of those games Sony showed off early on(+Killzone2) to prove the PS3 was better than the 360, and now they can't get it finished(they even sold a demo to raise funds to finish it).
Bloody hell, can't quite figure out if GT5 is in development hell, or there is some other strategical / financial reason for them to keep pushing it back.
Its been in development for, what, 6 years now?, in salaries alone that must have cost Sony a FORTUNE, and there is still no concrete release date.
errmmmm not particularly... never was a fan of racing sims. More of a Modnation Racer fan myself.
Right, ok then thats fine... does beg the question of why you are posting in topic regarding the release date of a game that doesn't interest you, but hey each to their own...
Right, ok then thats fine... does beg the question of why you are posting in topic regarding the release date of a game that doesn't interest you, but hey each to their own...
Not particularly interested doesn't mean not interested at all.
TBH I really hope this game bombs now. I brought my PS3 when it was bundled with prologue, and can't believe were still waiting for the full game. Dont care if it's the sistien chaple of games,or if PD are shating out Davinchis on a daily bases NO game takes this long. Really hope it backfires in their face and no one buys it or gets universally panned for not comming upto scratch after all this time in development.
Hell theres gotta be kids on PS3 who were in nappies when this was supposed to come out.
ha and i f***in called this on the official ps3 forums, knew this game wouldnt come out till end of this year but nice heavy hitter for sonys end of 2010 line up thou wonder what else theyl have for end of 2010
its mostly 360 owners that are 'disappointed' by this anyway. why the fuck are we comparing uncharted to gran turismo?! sad.
Sad? I was simply stating that in the time it has taken to make GT5 Naughty Dog have made 2 Uncharted games.
You can't make a direct comparison because they are different games, that is true, however both Uncharted games are generally received as 'world class games' surely the same level of game that PD are trying to achieve with GT5, and two of them have been made in less time than it has taken to make GT5.
For a more direct comparison it might be worthwile looking at Forza.
3 Forza games have been released since the release of GT4, all of them receiving 90 or above on metacritic.
but they themselves have been hyping the game for years. so what do they expect?
lets be honest, six years for a game is taking the p**s a bit. i bet all the dev's at turn 10 are laughing their bottoms off.
i dont doubt the game will look really good, but balance that with a six year wait it will have to be one hell of a game.
personally i just dont think the game from their point of view is good enough and because of all the dev time i dont think it ever will be. its like they are chasing a moving target and the more other racers come out with feature GT doesnt have etc.. they put it back. as someone said above its duke nukem all over again.
they did this on the psp too, there was loads of screen shots of GT before the console was even launched and we only got that last year.
Here comes the same old 'its a joke' & 'PD fail' comments... A game that has its release date down as TBC is still TBC and peole go mental. If people go this crazy over nothing really, when Sony do ship Gran Turismo, they are going to sell shed loads of it!
Here comes the same old 'its a joke' & 'PD fail' comments... A game that has its release date down as TBC is still TBC and peole go mental. If people go this crazy over nothing really, when Sony do ship Gran Turismo, they are going to sell shed loads of it!
Was: TBC Now: TBC
Yeah, I can see how people might be upset
Which would all be fine, if..
PD hadn't been hyping the hell out of GT5 since 2004, and giving us little gems like "It's finished, we can release it whenever we want", or "It's 90% finished, just minor polishing needed".
Although there has never been an "official" release date, PD have been taunting the userbase for years with how close it is to release.
personally i just dont think the game from their point of view is good enough and because of all the dev time i dont think it ever will be. its like they are chasing a moving target...
I agree.
PD have got themselves stuck now, they wanted to make the best game ever at the start of making GT5, fair enough no problem with setting your targets high, however more and more advancements in racing games keep coming and PD have got a choice to make they either release what they have now or keep trying to make the game better.
The real problem they have is that they are chasing an impossible dream. GT5 isn't going to be perfect, nothing is perfect, but they are trying to make it so. However the longer they take on making the game the more and more people expect it to be the best game ever made.
Captain dick head please stfu about things you don't understand. Sony told a bunch of retailers this game was going to be out on December 5th last year in Europe. I payed 40 quid for it then as it's was going to happen. Now we have no release date. Sony are taking the *** and this game is becoming a joke as big as Duke Nukem forever.
Here comes the same old 'its a joke' & 'PD fail' comments... A game that has its release date down as TBC is still TBC and peole go mental. If people go this crazy over nothing really, when Sony do ship Gran Turismo, they are going to sell shed loads of it!
Was: TBC Now: TBC
Yeah, I can see how people might be upset
My problem isn't the fact that the game has been 'delayed'.
As you quite rightly pointed out there has never been a release date for Europe.
You could argue that PD have made several 'hints' about its potential release, and the fact that it did have a release date in Japan of March 2010, which has now been scrapped, could have been taken that a release over in Europe was also imminent.
But your right there has been no official release date.
My problem is the length of time this game has been in development. My estimates put it at around 6 years. I really can't think of any other game that has taken this long to make. Maybe this long development time will be a good thing, but I really doubt it.
Captain dick head please stfu about things you don't understand. Sony told a bunch of retailers this game was going to be out on December 5th last year in Europe. I payed 40 quid for it then as it's was going to happen. Now we have no release date. Sony are taking the *** and this game is becoming a joke as big as Duke Nukem forever.
I can wait. Honestly this is pretty much the only racing "game" I care about owning. Others I'll play, but it's always been GT for me. If it means waiting until Autumn to play it then so be it. Nearly everyone has forgotten that this isn't exactly a "game" more a simulator (as the subtitle suggests) and so of course it'll take longer to make. They don't do things by halves and if they are putting damage models in then they've probably had to crash 100 cars in various ways to see the effect (I kid ). I'd rather the "game" be near perfect than just another rehash like most racers. Hopefully the "game" (I will stop doing this I promise) will be so in depth that I won't need another GT for the next 10 years it'll take to develop the next one!
Sorry captain savaloy, I got you mixed up with that other poster. STD Grasshopper or whatever his name is. You know the one who talks **** on here every day.
no. they showcased their game for the press, and little boys like you wet their panties.
the only person that hypes something up is yourself. if you get sucked into PR tactics its your own, pea-brained fault.
Im confused SVD, do you really think PD have shown us all these screenshots, trailers, demos and god knows what else for any other reason than to 'hype' up their game?
Yes your correct a person can only get 'hyped' up themselves but PD are responsible for getting that person 'hyped' up, its the old taking a horse to water analogy.
PD are certainly taking us to the water, by showing us all these amazing things about GT5, and some people are slurping up the water and getting 'hyped' about GT5.
Problem is PD keep trying to take us further and further to the water and some of us are getting lost along the way...
Sorry captain savaloy, I got you mixed up with that other poster. STD Grasshopper or whatever his name is. You know the one who talks **** on here every day.
I can wait. Honestly this is pretty much the only racing "game" I care about owning. Others I'll play, but it's always been GT for me. If it means waiting until Autumn to play it then so be it. Nearly everyone has forgotten that this isn't exactly a "game" more a simulator (as the subtitle suggests) and so of course it'll take longer to make. They don't do things by halves and if they are putting damage models in then they've probably had to crash 100 cars in various ways to see the effect (I kid ). I'd rather the "game" be near perfect than just another rehash like most racers. Hopefully the "game" (I will stop doing this I promise) will be so in depth that I won't need another GT for the next 10 years it'll take to develop the next one!
This is exactly my point from earlier on.
PD have got themselves in a real hole now, people expect GT5 to be perfect, or 'near perfect' as wrightandrewjame puts it, because of the amount of time it has taken to make.
Length of time to make a game does not automatically mean it makes a great game...
Sorry captain savaloy, I got you mixed up with that other poster. STD Grasshopper or whatever his name is. You know the one who talks **** on here every day.
what are they going to do? not showcase their game?!
No of course they are going to showcase their game. I never said otherwise...
However where you and myself seem to differ is that you think that PD put out all these screenshots, trailers, demos and what not for some other reason than to get people 'hyped' up about GT5, yes people themselves need to look at at the shots etc and then get hyped up but that isn't the point.
Why would PD release these screenshots, trailers, demo's etc if it wasn't for people to get 'hyped' up about their game?
I can wait. Honestly this is pretty much the only racing "game" I care about owning. Others I'll play, but it's always been GT for me. If it means waiting until Autumn to play it then so be it. Nearly everyone has forgotten that this isn't exactly a "game" more a simulator (as the subtitle suggests) and so of course it'll take longer to make. They don't do things by halves and if they are putting damage models in then they've probably had to crash 100 cars in various ways to see the effect (I kid ). I'd rather the "game" be near perfect than just another rehash like most racers. Hopefully the "game" (I will stop doing this I promise) will be so in depth that I won't need another GT for the next 10 years it'll take to develop the next one!
This is exactly my point from earlier on.
PD have got themselves in a real hole now, people expect GT5 to be perfect, or 'near perfect' as wrightandrewjame puts it, because of the amount of time it has taken to make.
Length of time to make a game does not automatically mean it makes a great game...
Obviously we expect it to be great. PD have 'The' track record for making great racing games. The length of time shouldn't really be an indication as to how good it'll be. Who are we to know that somewhere in the development of the game part of it wasn't scrapped or redone. I mean GT5 Prologue was essentually GT4 HD minus the GT mode (the bit I actually care about). Who knows whether or not they've made major changes since then. It may not look like it on the outside (they look like cars after all) but deep down there could have been. I agree though with a lot of posters here that PD haven't done themselves any favours by keeping quiet and delaying all the time (although it's hard to delay a TBC ), but as they say it's ready when it's ready. I've got many other games to keep me busy while I wait.
what are they going to do? not showcase their game?!
No of course they are going to showcase their game. I never said otherwise...
However where you and myself seem to differ is that you think that PD put out all these screenshots, trailers, demos and what not for some other reason than to get people 'hyped' up about GT5, yes people themselves need to look at at the shots etc and then get hyped up but that isn't the point.
Why would PD release these screenshots, trailers, demo's etc if it wasn't for people to get 'hyped' up about their game?
didnt say it wasnt to garner hype.
just said its all your own fault if you fall for it.
Obviously we expect it to be great. PD have 'The' track record for making great racing games. The length of time shouldn't really be an indication as to how good it'll be. Who are we to know that somewhere in the development of the game part of it wasn't scrapped or redone. I mean GT5 Prologue was essentually GT4 HD minus the GT mode (the bit I actually care about). Who knows whether or not they've made major changes since then. It may not look like it on the outside (they look like cars after all) but deep down there could have been. I agree though with a lot of posters here that PD haven't done themselves any favours by keeping quiet and delaying all the time (although it's hard to delay a TBC ), but as they say it's ready when it's ready. I've got many other games to keep me busy while I wait.
I am going to have to disagree on the 'PD have the track record for making racing games' part.
just said its all your own fault if you fall for it.
PD are just doing their job.
Good, we agree then.
However I could have sworn you were 'falling' for the 'hype' alot last year. Especially coming up to the release of Forza, please correct me if I am wrong though...
Well ignoring the lite editions which quite clearly were going to get worse reviews I stand by my statement. If you look at GT1 and GT3, the first on each console they got brilliant reviews, "near perfect" as it were. The sequels to each were just more of the same and so would obviously get lower reviews. The two prologues getting near 80s for essentually selling you a demo is just a testament to how good the series is. The PSP one fair enough isn't great, but again like the prologues lacks the GT mode and still even managed a 74 average (which is still "very good" in my books). So if the pattern remains the same we're looking at a very high 90s score. Thanks for backing it up with some figures.
Good move I say, I'm gona be skint for a while after March April time.
I'd also add that Sony, not PD are calling the shots on its release. They want to maximise the games release and what a game it is.
Indy Cars NASCAR Racing Rallying among others Over a thousand cars, customisable and fully incorporated performance damage model implemented with Lamborghini and Bugatti licences. Weather cycles Day and night racing elements Its looks to be one of the best games on any format (including PC, no other racing game can touch it). 60 fps Eye support Top Gear track, can't wait to have a blast Over 70 track variations Portability with PSP Brand new physic system based on PS3's Cell development Open lobby online Youtube replays Text Voice chats Dolby Digital 5.1 and 7.1 support 16 player online races
etc etc
This is a different beast from its predecessors and competitors and should be worth the full purchase on release.
Well ignoring the lite editions which quite clearly were going to get worse reviews I stand by my statement.
Sorry? How can you ignore the so called 'lite' versions? They were games just as much as any other games, PD charged people for them, yes maybe less than a 'full' game but they are still a game and they were reviewed on this basis. If PD want to release 'lite' versions of their games then fine its upto them, but you can't expect them not to be criticised in the same manner as any other game.
If you look at GT1 and GT3, the first on each console they got brillaint reviews, "near perfect" as it were. The sequels to each were just more of the same and so would obviously get lower reviews.
Again, If PD wan't to release games that were 'more of the same' as you so nicely put it, then thats upto them, it doesn't mean they cant get reviewed in the same manner as the other games.
The two prologues getting near 80s for essentually selling you a demo is just a testamount to how good the series is.
So you can discount the 'lite' versions when it goes against your point, but bring it back in again when your trying to prove something else? make up your mind...
The PSP one fair enough isn't great, but again like the prologues lacks the GT mode and still even managed a 74 average (which is still "very good" in my books).
I agree a the PSP version isn't great. In fact I like how metacritic describes an average review score of 74: 'Mixed or Average reviews'.
So if the pattern remains the same we're looking at a very high 90s score. Thanks for backing it up with some figures.
This is where you really lost me, even if we do decide to take out the prologue versions of GT, which I still don't see why we should, the scores look like this
96% 92% 95% 90% 74%
Even an average comes out at 89.4%, not taking into consideration the obvious downward spiral in the scores, so where on Earth do you get your 'very high 90's' score from?
Truth is PD do not have 'the' track record for making racing games. True they have made some great games in the past but their recent games haven't been as good.
If anything Turn 10 have the track record for making racing games...
Sorry? How can you ignore the so called 'lite' versions? They were games just as much as any other games, PD charged people for them, yes maybe less than a 'full' game but they are still a game and they were reviewed on this basis. If PD want to release 'lite' versions of their games then fine its upto them, but you can't expect them not to be criticised in the same manner as any other game.
I don't expect them to be criticised in any other manner than of a full game, but as the reviews stated at the time (which no doubt you read rather than just quoting metacritic) they based their scores on how much of a complete GT it was. Due to them quite clearly missing a lot they were rated lower. You can see by GT4's score that obviously the prologue led into a brilliant game.
Again, If PD wan't to release games that were 'more of the same' as you so nicely put it, then thats upto them, it doesn't mean they cant get reviewed in the same manner as the other games.
Didn't say that they couldn't. It's well known by gamers that a game that offers slight improvements on an original is likely to score lower than its predecessor. Reviewers always demand so much more. Rightly so, but just because it scored lower doesn't make it worse. Who would choose GT1 over GT4? Or Forza 1 over Forza 2? Both formers scored higher than their sequels on average (Forza 3 equalled Forza 1).
So you can discount the 'lite' versions when it goes against your point, but bring it back in again when your trying to prove something else? make up your mind...
Two seperate points thanks. Main entries in the series have always scored very highly. Whereas the Prologues less so, but for very short games they scored very well.
I agree a the PSP version isn't great. In fact I like how metacritic describes an average review score of 74: 'Mixed or Average reviews'.
I like the fact you and Metacritic call 74 'Mixed or Average reviews'. I recall 50 being smack bang in the middle of 0 - 100, or did something change when I left school?
This is where you really lost me, even if we do decide to take out the prologue versions of GT, which I still don't see why we should, the scores look like this
96% 92% 95% 90% 74%
Even an average comes out at 89.4%, not taking into consideration the obvious downward spiral in the scores, so where on Earth do you get your 'very high 90's' score from?
Truth is PD do not have 'the' track record for making racing games. True they have made some great games in the past but their recent games haven't been as good.
If anything Turn 10 have the track record for making racing games...
Yet again you add in the PSP version for your figures. That isn't a main release in the series. It's a portable edition. Slimmed down for the PSP. Take it out of the equation and you have a 93.25% average for the main releases. With this score metacritic isn't your friend as Forza hasn't reached this score with a single entry yet.
Very high 90s may have been a bit zealous but I'd expect an average very close to Forza 3's. Forza hasn't had any proper competition from GT (and it'd still be hard to compare as each is on a different console and will have different reviewers and different yardsticks as a result) and stating either way is pointless at the moment. We just need to wait until Autumn to see. Even then I won't care what score it gets. I'll just be happy to play the damn game.
I don't expect them to be criticised in any other manner than of a full game, but as the reviews stated at the time (which no doubt you read rather than just quoting metacritic) they based their scores on how much of a complete GT it was. Due to them quite clearly missing a lot they were rated lower. You can see by GT4's score that obviously the prologue led into a brilliant game.
It is upto the reviewers to review them as they see fit. I can't make a comment on how or why reviewers review games in the way they do, because each one will obviously be different. I still feel the prologue games should be judged as games, PD charged people for them and I think reviewers have got a right to give their opinions on what they thought about them. Whether you agree or disagree with the scores given is pure opinion.
Didn't say that they couldn't. It's well known by gamers that a game that offers slight improvements on an original is likely to score lower than its predecessor. Reviewers always demand so much more. Rightly so, but just because it scored lower doesn't make it worse. Who would choose GT1 over GT4? Or Forza 1 over Forza 2? Both formers scored higher than their sequels on average (Forza 3 equalled Forza 1).
I disagree again, your thought about 'sequels scoring less even though they offer slight improvements' is again pure opinion, and is going away from the point. The point is that as with each new release there is a downward curve in the review scores for PD games
Two seperate points thanks. Main entries in the series have always scored very highly. Whereas the Prologues less so, but for very short games they scored very well.
They are not seperate. On one hand you can discount the score of the 'lite' games because you feel they shouldn't be scored in comparison to the full versions of the games, yet on the other hand are happy to accept the score of the 'lite' games if they are classed as 'very short' games. Again this is all your opinion.
I like the fact you and Metacritic call 74 'Mixed or Average reviews'. I recall 50 being smack bang in the middle of 0 - 100, or did something change when I left school?
If you had just two pieces of data, or scores, lets say, 0 and 100, the average of the two would be 50 as you point out.
However there are several scores for games in metacritic, therfore an average score for a game is not 50%
Yet again you add in the PSP version for your figures. That isn't a main release in the series. It's a portable edition.
Yet again you let your opinion make a decision on what should and shouldn't be classed as a game that merits a score. Just because you feel that the PSP version shouldn't be counted doesn't mean it shouldn't.
I thought this whole discussion was on the quality of the games PD has released, its track record as you put it. If that is the case then surely all its games should be up for scrutiny and praise not just the ones you pick and choose?
I'm sorry Shabozi, I'll get your permission before I comment again...
Yeh if you could do thanks...
I was simply curious as to your current level of interest in GT5, and the relation this would have to your level of disappointment/non-disappointment or simple non-difference to GT5 not being released as of yet, and an article implying that it will not be released for some time.
I am very sorry if this seemed to confuse or offend you in anyway.
I was simply curious as to your current level of interest in GT5, and the relation this would have to your level of disappointment/non-disappointment or simple non-difference to GT5 not being released as of yet, and an article implying that it will not be released for some time.
I am very sorry if this seemed to confuse or offend you in anyway.
I'm not confused, disappointed or offended, obviously you're struggling to comprehend that. So I hope that makes it a little clearer for you.
I was simply curious as to your current level of interest in GT5, and the relation this would have to your level of disappointment/non-disappointment or simple non-difference to GT5 not being released as of yet, and an article implying that it will not be released for some time.
I am very sorry if this seemed to confuse or offend you in anyway.
I'm not confused, disappointed or offended, obviously you're struggling to comprehend that. So I hope that makes it a little clearer for you.
No no, I am not struggling to comprehend.
I obviously, incorrectly, assumed that your comment regarding getting my 'permission before commenting again' had either come from some level of offence, or confusion caused by myself in what I was trying to imply in a previous post.
I am as clear in my understanding of your feelings as a faultless diamond
Shabozi surely a forum is a place of discussion and therefore I am entitled to my opinion whether right or wrong in your eyes. My point about their track record was not based upon their spinoff titles (an area in which PD clearly don't perform as well) but upon their normal full releases. You must at least grant me that these have been in the past top quality titles. Admittedly their previous two have been below their usual standard, but as I've stated about 4 times now these games are of no comparision to GT5 or the previous titles as they do not include the full features of the normal series. In fact GT5 looks to contain even more than the previous full titles and based upon previous reviews it's not a stretch to expect the game to receive very high critique. The only reason I see this not being the case is if reviewers decide that in comparison to the development time of Forza 3 that it does not deserve the praise. This would be unfair as final product should be judged not the procedure in making it. I've admit that these other titles will have harmed PD's overall metascore, but in truth that's of little consequence as we don't judge other developers that make one poor title but loads of AAA titles the same way, do we? It wasn't that I didn't think the PSP title did not merit a score, but lumping it in with the others was a deliberate ploy to prove a non-factual point. It may be a full release for a PSP but that can have no reflection upon a full PS3 game. Storage capcity on UMD disk was a clear factor in how much content they could squeeze into that game. As the reviews of the game said there was no issue with the quality of the title (as you put it) but only with the lack of features. Now this may seem one and the same, the quality of the gameplay was still top notch, just the lack of GT mode knocked 10-15% off the scores. Another victim of high expectations I believe. As for the downward curve of scores, yes I agree there is one, but that can be expected of any long running series, especially one that received such high acclaim originally, but the main titles are seeing very little slump. It's only these additional titles that really bring it down. Considering it's only these I don't think there is much argument to say that GT series is in decline. We haven't had a proper title on PS3 yet. When that happens we'll be in a better position to evaluate it.
I obviously, incorrectly, assumed that your comment regarding getting my 'permission before commenting again' had either come from some level of offence, or confusion caused by myself in what I was trying to imply in a previous post.
I am as clear in my understanding of your feelings as a faultless diamond
Shabozi surely a forum is a place of discussion and therefore I am entitled to my opinion whether right or wrong in your eyes.
Of course your entitled to your opinion, I actual do agree with alot of what your saying and please do excuse me if I seem to be being argumentative or picky, it is very rare to find someone who you can actually have a proper discussion with on these forums without it reverting to a tirade of insults.
My point about their track record was not based upon their spinoff titles (an area in which PD clearly don't perform as well) but upon their normal full releases. You must at least grant me that these have been in the past top quality titles.
I agree 100% I have owned and loved all of the GT games, I don't openly admit it in pubs and the like, but if I hadn't played GT I don't think my interest in cars would be the same as it is today. However I didn't enjoy GT4 as much as A-spec, purely opinion the more I think about it. However you and I do agree, spin offs or not, PD's recent games haven't been as good as the PS2 days?
Admittedly their previous two have been below their usual standard, but as I've stated about 4 times now these games are of no comparision to GT5 or the previous titles as they do not include the full features of the normal series.
I agree you can't fully compare GT5 to PD's previous games. However playing the prologue for a sustantial amount of time, and playing the PSP version does have me worried...
In fact GT5 looks to contain even more than the previous full titles and based upon previous reviews it's not a stretch to expect the game to receive very high critique. The only reason I see this not being the case is if reviewers decide that in comparison to the development time of Forza 3 that it does not deserve the praise. This would be unfair as final product should be judged not the procedure in making it.
Im afraid though that this is already going to happen, I fully expect the first words on most reviews to be 'the game that has been in development for 6 years' or something similar. I think its inevitable that reviewers will expect alot from the game considering how long it will have taken PD to make it, and this will form a large basis for their review. Heck, I will be looking at GT5 and thinking 'right what took them so long!' when I first get to play it.
I've admit that these other titles will have harmed PD's overall metascore, but in truth that's of little consequence as we don't judge other developers that make one poor title but loads of AAA titles the same way, do we? It wasn't that I didn't think the PSP title did not merit a score, but lumping it in with the others was a deliberate ploy to prove a non-factual point. It may be a full release for a PSP but that can have no reflection upon a full PS3 game. Storage capcity on UMD disk was a clear factor in how much content they could squeeze into that game. As the reviews of the game said there was no issue with the quality of the title (as you put it) but only with the lack of features. Now this may seem one and the same, the quality of the gameplay was still top notch, just the lack of GT mode knocked 10-15% off the scores. Another victim of high expectations I believe.
GTPSP just didn't feel like GT for me, the structure of the game was wrong, it looked good in some places, then awful in some parts, yes some of this, a large part was likely due to the limitations of the PSP but if I am honest it just felt like PD didn't really know what they wanted to do with the game, what direction to take.
As for the downward curve of scores, yes I agree there is one, but that can be expected of any long running series, especially one that received such high acclaim originally, but the main titles are seeing very little slump. It's only these additional titles that really bring it down. Considering it's only these I don't think there is much argument to say that GT series is in decline. We haven't had a proper title on PS3 yet. When that happens we'll be in a better position to evaluate it.
I have never doubted the calibre of PD to make great games. They have the ability to do so, and like I mentioned I have a deep love for the Gran Turismo games, some of the best gaming memories, some of the worst. Like the time my 10 year old brother broke my memory card with 6 months of GT3 save data on.
I am worried for GT5, it seems like the same situation as GTPSP where PD don't really know where they want to take the game and down what direction. The game has been in development for aprox 6 years and we still don't really have any firm details about it.
I hope PD can pull it off and make a great game, but each time we hear of a potential release date getting knocked back it just screams that something is wrong.
Anyway, going back to what I said before, its good to be able to have a proper discussion with someone on these forurs rather than the usual rubbish....
Thank you Shabozi. I agree it is rare on the forums to actually have a discussion about games without it degrading into insults and fanboyish comments. Yes I agree not as good as the PS2 days, but still we still are waiting on the first full release on PS3, we didn't have that on PS2 as A-Spec was the first. Reviews will always be a problem because not matter how unbiased you claim to be you'll always have favourites. Look at the FIFA vs PES argument. That's raged on for years and only now it's acknowledged that FIFA is the better game, while debateably FIFA has been better for a couple of years now. That however is a story for another day. The PSP version I've had a go on, but I stayed away due to the lack of GT mode. I'll probably pick it up on the cheap, but I agree they seemed a little lost as to what to do. A case of trying to put too many cars in the game? Something that worries me with GT5... Hopefully we'll see more actual gameplay soon and by that I mean some footage of the career or GT mode or whatever they want to call it. Delays are worrying but I feel it's more to do with Sony's line up of titles all being at the start of the year rather than a major problem. There aren't many titles I can think of that Sony are releasing late this year. I hope that's the reason. Well I'll keep telling myself that.
The latest halo game only garnered a lower score than the last gt since all those immature halfwits went on metacritic and reviewed a game they had never played in some vein petty attempt to discredit a top line game from a rival console...
Its nice to see that,now svd has developed the ability to argue maturely and pragmatically with a bit more thought to both sides of the argument that PS3 fanboy has come along and filled the void of: Completely one sided,ill informed,immature, petty and dumb comment maker. Tell ma fanboy did you have to apply to cvg for the position or did they ask you???
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). I'd rather the "game" be near perfect than just another rehash like most racers. Hopefully the "game" (I will stop doing this I promise) will be so in depth that I won't need another GT for the next 10 years it'll take to develop the next one!
