Xbox Live is a "more juvenile" place to game online than Sony's PSN, says Ben Jones of MAG developer Zipper Interactive.
The immature actions and foul-mouthed slurs of MS' online gamers are to blame, according to Jones. "I actually consider Xbox Live the more juvenile of the two," he said, adding that this was because of "the things that are being said over Xbox Live".
MAG: Massive Action Game
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Despite a common complaint of PSN being a lack of player communication, Jones says the MAG beta actually showed otherwise: "I think the PlayStation audience definitely fits more to our game," he said.
"As we saw in the beta we've got an audience that's willing to communicate and willing to organise and structure, and help other people to play the game," he told GamerZines (via Edge-Online).
"That's the most remarkable thing that I saw in the beta - random people helping other players along to try and familiarise themselves with this really cool experience."
probably right, the number of stupid american kids playing halo 3 is annoying. i never enter group chats, only party up with people i know in real life.
I think it's true. I've got my live working recently and although live has many more people talking, it's filled with 10 year olds that aren't even old enough to play halo. I mean if they are going to play a game they are not even old enough to play, at least be curteous and f**k off the mic.
All you’ve got to do is look at the xbox dashboard to see MS want this machine aimed at the kiddie market now. No option to get rid of the childish avatar system and each time I turn my xbox on I cringe. No way as an adult do I want this immature dashboard. Give me my ps3 dash and online anyday. It’s so much more user friendly and looks so much more adult when you want to show off your consol to a non gaming mate (to convince them gaming is not for kids!!!!!)
A developer who has a Sony exclusive MMO shooter is attempting to bad-mouth the superior rivals on-line service close to their games launch, well I never, what next, Pachter saying that this would only be possible on the PS3?
I am sure that there are just as many juvenile nutters on PSN. However, I think that the majority of them will give MAG a miss, which suits me down to the ground.
My experience with MAG was great. There were lots of people using mics.
I remember one particular game that had a very vocal commander and it ended up being one of the most enjoyable online experiences that I've ever had.
He was shouting at me because I was spawning back to camp, rather than waiting to be recovered by a team mate when I was killed.
More active users = more assholes. It's just a fact.
Free mics with every console + internet anonymity = more dicks mouthing off.
I do tend to use party chat for everything aside from objective based multiplayer now, and those i do venture out of it tend to be ok but that's because usually the trash talking children reside in the deathmatch games, where they can 'pwn' you or whatever it is they like doing.
alongside necrophilia which seems overly prevalent in online gaming, someone should ban this sick filth in fact, I've seen my poor dead body raped more times then I care to think about.
the problem isnt necessarily that there are more kids on xbox live, rather that every one of the squeeky voiced little bastards gets a headset with their machine, which they think gives them the right to sing and squeak in the mic. This has the side effect that when you do find someone decent to talk to they are normally drowned out by them. However i recently got a PS3 headset, and so far only encountered one person with another, who proceeded to insult and trash talk much like the Live kiddies. I think, having not played the MAG beta, although i did try several times, damn slow download speeds, that the only people with genuine interest in talking to others in the spirit of the game would bother buying a headset therefore less singing 10-year olds. Just think how many people you come across without headsets?Could be a blessing in disguise.
I agree XBL has many idiots, but just as many decent fellow humans.
On launch, I managed to fill my friends list up with quality people from all age groups, though nowadays it's harder to find like minded mature gamers but they are out there
As soon as the PS3 has more games that apeal to a wider audience and is more accessible for those so called "whiny kids" then you will have the same problem I'm afraid.
One thing I totally agree with though, is that the little ones shouldnt be playing 18 games, and then cry when our room is full of disgusting language and gaming banter.
More active users = more assholes. It's just a fact.
hes not talking about more people. just more kids with big mouths.
But surely a larger user base would likely mean a greater number of kids which along with every user having a mic means that there is more likely hood of happening across screaming idiotic foul mouthed racist homophobic kids?
I do find it annoying but it is very easy to mute them and just talk to the normal people. Friends have told me that they have experienced a similar level of idiotic behavior on the PS3. I guess it is just the downside of having anonymity online along with poor parenting. There is also the fact that this was beta testing, when this game is released I imagine there will be more idiots screaming online.
SORRY this might get me some flack but my exp's of this is this I play all over the world and only in the USA do i come across dumb foul mouthed mic hugging idiots, yes u love the freedom of speech law but dont like been told TO SHUT THE FRAG UP whatever you have to say keep it to yourself try working together as a team instead of pointing out others faults when you died 1st giving orders without any team following I give up it's not u all just a few dumb idiots please just go away or play xbox were u will fit better
I agree XBL has many idiots, but just as many decent fellow humans.
On launch, I managed to fill my friends list up with quality people from all age groups, though nowadays it's harder to find like minded mature gamers but they are out there
As soon as the PS3 has more games that apeal to a wider audience and is more accessible for those so called "whiny kids" then you will have the same problem I'm afraid.
One thing I totally agree with though, is that the little ones shouldnt be playing 18 games, and then cry when our room is full of disgusting language and gaming banter.
Is there really any need for disgusting language though? (And I am not talking about the odd swear every now and then). It is not the little ones complaining it is the adults complaining about the foul mouthed and abusive little screaming kids.
I have a 360 and go on-line often, and I have also used PSN on my friend's PS3 when me and my mate are broke at the end of the month.
I have to admit, the PS3 audience generally does seem to be a bit more mature. Can MS not introduce an age/nationality grouping fixture, so I could play with other adults, rather than a bunch of moaning yank emo idiots? I'm not saying all the Americans are annoying, far from it as quite a few I have played with who were over 24 have been fantastic. Unfortunately, whenever I am in the lobby for L4D2, there is always some crass, middle American idiots who just have the most moronic things to say.
Why even bother? This is just school yard BS. Nobody cares what you think Ben Jones of MAG developer Zipper Interactive. Just make your games and shut up. NOBODY cares
Why even bother? This is just school yard BS. Nobody cares what you think Ben Jones of MAG developer Zipper Interactive. Just make your games and shut up. NOBODY cares
I have a 360 and go on-line often, and I have also used PSN on my friend's PS3 when me and my mate are broke at the end of the month.
I have to admit, the PS3 audience generally does seem to be a bit more mature. Can MS not introduce an age/nationality grouping fixture, so I could play with other adults, rather than a bunch of moaning yank emo idiots? I'm not saying all the Americans are annoying, far from it as quite a few I have played with who were over 24 have been fantastic. Unfortunately, whenever I am in the lobby for L4D2, there is always some crass, middle American idiots who just have the most moronic things to say.
Anyone know if I am able to age filter at all?
How would that work? Surely a 10 year old could just claim that they are 25 and be matched against you anyway? They need to be quicker to ban these idiots when they are reported.
Why even bother? This is just school yard BS. Nobody cares what you think Ben Jones of MAG developer Zipper Interactive. Just make your games and shut up. NOBODY cares
well there's no chance on earth the MAG developer is going to say anything good about Live is there?
yes there are loads of tossers on Live but it also depends on what game you're playing. You don't get loads of abusive tossers on a tiger woods game or FIFA for that matter but if you're into shooters then you'll here loads of it. Same goes for PSN it's just that hardly anyone talks because they're too tight to buy a mic.
I also see the same PS3 sucking nobbers on here agreeing that Live is crap etc. You probably haven't even played on live as you've got your c0ck rammed in your Ps3 slot. Get a life! and before you start your whining i own all 3 consoles this gen.
yay, another place for army drop outs to yell abuse at each other and pretned they're general pattern. I think i'll give it a miss.
Mod Nation racers on the other hand. LBP + Mario Kart = Awesome!
Lol, is he the king of cross-stitch simulators!
On topic, I'm pretty sure that I read an article on here a few months ago saying that they'd done some research and the Playstation brand was the one that was most recognised by older teens...
That is, less screaming children and tween gangsters!
The level of "gansta" of Live is quite simply embarrassing!
I would say the greater numbers, the headset you get with every console and the fact there are quite a lot more 360s than PS3s in the USA would lead to this. Also the (especially previous) price point would push towards an older audience.
However you can mute the t**ts in about four button presses. This dude sent out half a racist joke and then said 'contact me for the other half', I reported it to MS but never heard anything. The really racist/homophobic stuff is quite rare in my experience, but MS should ban these t**ts straight off the bat.
And as for other gamers helping each other out, well I see that on L4D all the time - it's a must in a co-op game! Although you do see some overly competitive players who just hate playing with someone new to the game and just leave them behind/try and kick them.
I haven't got a 360 but pretty much I've been on PSN with randoms, most of them seem to be French. They could be calling me all sorts of things and I wouldn't have a clue.
I would say the greater numbers, the headset you get with every console and the fact there are quite a lot more 360s than PS3s in the USA would lead to this. Also the (especially previous) price point would push towards an older audience.
However you can mute the t**ts in about four button presses. This dude sent out half a racist joke and then said 'contact me for the other half', I reported it to MS but never heard anything. The really racist/homophobic stuff is quite rare in my experience, but MS should ban these t**ts straight off the bat.
And as for other gamers helping each other out, well I see that on L4D all the time - it's a must in a co-op game! Although you do see some overly competitive players who just hate playing with someone new to the game and just leave them behind/try and kick them.
Yeah, you're probably more likely to run into idiots on Live due to the reasons you gave, but I think that it also really depends on which game you play. I would fully expect to run into a load of obnoxious, rude and irritating kids on something like MW2, but I would expect it to be a lot more calm on something like Tiger Woods (I'm sure someone is going to correct me here!).
Likewise, I would expect that to be equally true for PSN and Live.
are you people for real: first offs3's online (right now)is FREE;that is what makes it more appealing(as someone stated)and about 90% of teens and adults know this is the reason;BUT i will agree that at least 60% of XBL is kids that according to the rating system should NOT be playing alot of games AT ALL.but that is up to the parents..i have a friend that has ps3 went to his place to check it out(being online is FREE was thinking of getting one)it took him 2 hrs. to get a game of football(u.s. football)XBL 3 mins. tops.that's unacceptable.now i see ps3 is coming out with two paid services;one being cheaper then XBL and the other is $20.00(u.s)more then XBL.as for the kids on XBL that's what mute player optoin is for;and i don't doubt for 1 second once ps3 goes full voice(if they havn't by now)the same issues WILL show themselves..
Must say I had some fun on Live with the gamertag spankz_yankz...
and the use of terms like "yank" is what causes you brits/english to get so much flack on live; over half my friends list on XBL is from the UK so;before you go running at the gums.we don't like being called "yanks" anymore then you like being called "limey's".BUT i will agree there are so real a$$h0l3$ here in the states;BUTnot all of us..
All you’ve got to do is look at the xbox dashboard to see MS want this machine aimed at the kiddie market now. No option to get rid of the childish avatar system and each time I turn my xbox on I cringe. No way as an adult do I want this immature dashboard. Give me my ps3 dash and online anyday. It’s so much more user friendly and looks so much more adult when you want to show off your consol to a non gaming mate (to convince them gaming is not for kids!!!!!)
If you are an adult you won't care about the dashboard or what looks the most adult.
gotta say that especially since xmas theres been a upsurge in the publess with mics on PSN. Last night was in a hardcore death match on MW2 and these 2 bin lids with same clan tag,was on my team screaming orders at each other and generally thinking they knew everything. They killed me 3 times with there itchy trigger fingers (strangely they wernt yanks) before i heard 1 of the kids moms yelling at him to "turn that f@ckin box off and get to sleep! school in the morning" followed by his long moaning protests of how hes doing well and it wasnt even half 9 yet (it was 9.45).
All funny to listen to but distracts from the game so if you dont know how to mute in game, press select to bring up scores table. Scroll down the players to the annoying one then just press x. Do think the age filter would be a good idea though. Wont catch them all but will find more of similar age group. You can tell alot of kids have moved to ps3 last xmas.
well there's no chance on earth the MAG developer is going to say anything good about Live is there?
yes there are loads of tossers on Live but it also depends on what game you're playing. You don't get loads of abusive tossers on a tiger woods game or FIFA for that matter but if you're into shooters then you'll here loads of it. Same goes for PSN it's just that hardly anyone talks because they're too tight to buy a mic.
I also see the same PS3 sucking nobbers on here agreeing that Live is crap etc. You probably haven't even played on live as you've got your c0ck rammed in your Ps3 slot. Get a life! and before you start your whining i own all 3 consoles this gen.
i watch the vid. for this game it looks like a cod game;again since when can a building still stand after getting hit like that.NO REALIZEM;BUT IT DOES LOOK GOOD JUST HOPE IT'S BETTER THEN THE garbage iw PUT OUT.
Even though you gotta pay for online on Live, there's an awful lot of 11 and 12 year olds on there, because of the consoles price point. Thankfully there's about 16 year olds or older on PSN, so mostly no high pitched voices. But I pretty much mute everyone anyway, apart from those who have conversations.
Must say I had some fun on Live with the gamertag spankz_yankz...
and the use of terms like "yank" is what causes you brits/english to get so much flack on live; over half my friends list on XBL is from the UK so;before you go running at the gums.we don't like being called "yanks" anymore then you like being called "limey's".BUT i will agree there are so real a$$h0l3$ here in the states;BUTnot all of us..
To call me a name that reminds us that our forefathers were sensible enough to avoid scurvy is anything but an insult. I don't know about any other British people here but I know that I have never been offended by that term.
Actually, I can't think of one racist comment about white-British aimed at me that I haven't found a) hilarious, or b) eye-rollingly pathetic.
How many white-British here don't find it hilarious when someone refers to them as "honkey"?!
Some people are simply too quick to take offence, and if nothing else it simply fuels the vitriol that is often banded around games on XBL.
gotta say that especially since xmas theres been a upsurge in the publess with mics on PSN. Last night was in a hardcore death match on MW2 and these 2 bin lids with same clan tag,was on my team screaming orders at each other and generally thinking they knew everything. They killed me 3 times with there itchy trigger fingers (strangely they wernt yanks) before i heard 1 of the kids moms yelling at him to "turn that f@ckin box off and get to sleep! school in the morning" followed by his long moaning protests of how hes doing well and it wasnt even half 9 yet (it was 9.45).
All funny to listen to but distracts from the game so if you dont know how to mute in game, press select to bring up scores table. Scroll down the players to the annoying one then just press x. Do think the age filter would be a good idea though. Wont catch them all but will find more of similar age group. You can tell alot of kids have moved to ps3 last xmas.
XBL has one but if the parents don't turn it on well you get these things;the problem of turning it on is games rated 17+ won't play on the xbox even in single player.muting works just fine with a avoid player(works sometimes for the avoid)
Must say I had some fun on Live with the gamertag spankz_yankz...
and the use of terms like "yank" is what causes you brits/english to get so much flack on live; over half my friends list on XBL is from the UK so;before you go running at the gums.we don't like being called "yanks" anymore then you like being called "limey's".BUT i will agree there are so real a$$h0l3$ here in the states;BUTnot all of us..
To call me a name that reminds us that our forefathers were sensible enough to avoid scurvy is anything but an insult. I don't know about any other British people here but I know that I have never been offended by that term.
Actually, I can't think of one racist comment about white-British aimed at me that I haven't found a) hilarious, or b) eye-rollingly pathetic.
How many white-British here don't find it hilarious when someone refers to them as "honkey"?!
Some people are simply too quick to take offence, and if nothing else it simply fuels the vitriol that is often banded around games on XBL.
honkey well there is a african wanna-be american trying to be wise.
I see CVG hasn't missed a beat with the usual Friday end-of-the-week-flamebait.
Note that what the fellow is actually criticizing (whether he realises it or not,) is not LIVE, but some of the audience that uses LIVE. There's a world of difference. And since by his own admission people communicate less on PSN for whatever reasons - one of which may be due to inferior voice chat options compared to LIVE at present time - that might do much to explain why "less mature" comments aren't supposedly as prevalent there (I want to see quantifiable figures that can be independently verified). The cherry on top comes with the fact that this is a man who is involved with "MAG" - a platform exclusive title. It wouldn't be the first time someone talked up one platform over another since they just happen to be releasing a title for that same platform. Imagine that, and yes other game developers on the various platforms are guilty of this as well.
Must say I had some fun on Live with the gamertag spankz_yankz...
and the use of terms like "yank" is what causes you brits/english to get so much flack on live; over half my friends list on XBL is from the UK so;before you go running at the gums.we don't like being called "yanks" anymore then you like being called "limey's".BUT i will agree there are so real a$$h0l3$ here in the states;BUTnot all of us..
To call me a name that reminds us that our forefathers were sensible enough to avoid scurvy is anything but an insult. I don't know about any other British people here but I know that I have never been offended by that term.
Actually, I can't think of one racist comment about white-British aimed at me that I haven't found a) hilarious, or b) eye-rollingly pathetic.
How many white-British here don't find it hilarious when someone refers to them as "honkey"?!
Some people are simply too quick to take offence, and if nothing else it simply fuels the vitriol that is often banded around games on XBL.
honkey well there is a african wanna-be american trying to be wise.
And thus my point was proven. Well done, sir. Well done.
Must say I had some fun on Live with the gamertag spankz_yankz...
and the use of terms like "yank" is what causes you brits/english to get so much flack on live; over half my friends list on XBL is from the UK so;before you go running at the gums.we don't like being called "yanks" anymore then you like being called "limey's".BUT i will agree there are so real a$$h0l3$ here in the states;BUTnot all of us..
To call me a name that reminds us that our forefathers were sensible enough to avoid scurvy is anything but an insult. I don't know about any other British people here but I know that I have never been offended by that term.
Actually, I can't think of one racist comment about white-British aimed at me that I haven't found a) hilarious, or b) eye-rollingly pathetic.
How many white-British here don't find it hilarious when someone refers to them as "honkey"?!
Some people are simply too quick to take offence, and if nothing else it simply fuels the vitriol that is often banded around games on XBL.
Indeed, limey does not offend me in the slightest. However the language that the kids use does and so does much of the racism (and I am not talking about simply referring to Aussies as convicts etc)
Must say I had some fun on Live with the gamertag spankz_yankz...
and the use of terms like "yank" is what causes you brits/english to get so much flack on live; over half my friends list on XBL is from the UK so;before you go running at the gums.we don't like being called "yanks" anymore then you like being called "limey's".BUT i will agree there are so real a$$h0l3$ here in the states;BUTnot all of us..
To call me a name that reminds us that our forefathers were sensible enough to avoid scurvy is anything but an insult. I don't know about any other British people here but I know that I have never been offended by that term.
Actually, I can't think of one racist comment about white-British aimed at me that I haven't found a) hilarious, or b) eye-rollingly pathetic.
How many white-British here don't find it hilarious when someone refers to them as "honkey"?!
Some people are simply too quick to take offence, and if nothing else it simply fuels the vitriol that is often banded around games on XBL.
Hmm. Out of curiosity, would you consider it a badge of honour to be called a "chav"?
I see CVG hasn't missed a beat with the usual Friday end-of-the-week-flamebait.
Note that what the fellow is actually criticizing (whether he realises it or not,) is not LIVE, but some of the audience that uses LIVE. There's a world of difference. And since by his own admission people communicate less on PSN for whatever reasons - one of which may be due to inferior voice chat options compared to LIVE at present time - that might do much to explain why "less mature" comments aren't supposedly as prevalent there (I want to see quantifiable figures that can be independently verified). The cherry on top comes with the fact that this is a man who is involved with "MAG" - a platform exclusive title. It wouldn't be the first time someone talked up one platform over another since they just happen to be releasing a title for that same platform. Imagine that, and yes other game developers on the various platforms are guilty of this as well.
don't worry XBL has alot of issues on it's own;like it's jacked up "true rank"system.($50.00a yr.)to play online and if they "BAN" you a day after you pay for that year they need not give you reason or refund;a bunch of XBLmembers got sucked into THE CODMW2 COPIES OF NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN STILL WAITING TO SEE IF THEY'LL GET THIER LIVE BACK;EVEN THAT MS KNOWS THIS IS THE CASE PEOPLE STILL GOT BAN.
Must say I had some fun on Live with the gamertag spankz_yankz...
and the use of terms like "yank" is what causes you brits/english to get so much flack on live; over half my friends list on XBL is from the UK so;before you go running at the gums.we don't like being called "yanks" anymore then you like being called "limey's".BUT i will agree there are so real a$$h0l3$ here in the states;BUTnot all of us..
To call me a name that reminds us that our forefathers were sensible enough to avoid scurvy is anything but an insult. I don't know about any other British people here but I know that I have never been offended by that term.
Actually, I can't think of one racist comment about white-British aimed at me that I haven't found a) hilarious, or b) eye-rollingly pathetic.
How many white-British here don't find it hilarious when someone refers to them as "honkey"?!
Some people are simply too quick to take offence, and if nothing else it simply fuels the vitriol that is often banded around games on XBL.
Hmm. Out of curiosity, would you consider it a badge of honour to be called a "chav"?
Not at all. That would fall under the "eye-rollingly pathetic" category. These people don't know me from Adam, so if they say something like that I know they're simply ignorant and I get on with the rest of my life.
Ive never seen using the name yankee to describe north americans as a derogatory remark,more jovial if anything. Unless your a 240 year old confederate,then you have my apologises and my suspicions that a timely death can't be far away
yay, another place for army drop outs to yell abuse at each other and pretned they're general pattern. I think i'll give it a miss.
Mod Nation racers on the other hand. LBP + Mario Kart = Awesome!
Lol, is he the king of cross-stitch simulators!
On topic, I'm pretty sure that I read an article on here a few months ago saying that they'd done some research and the Playstation brand was the one that was most recognised by older teens...
That is, less screaming children and tween gangsters!
The level of "gansta" of Live is quite simply embarrassing!
Why yes he is. he's the highest ranked guiy on modern weavefare. But he also loves MAG- Mindless Army Game!
However i think the reason that there are more juevenille snooker cues with microphones on Live is that there are more microphones in circulation. simple as . give an asshole the ability to sound off and he will. Make it cost money and he won't. Age's got nothing to do with it. Kid's have limited income would you rather spend your spare cash on a game or a mic if you could only afford one.
Sadly after playing the beta for about 3 weeks I decided to delete from my ps3, because frankly its s**t! Yes its impressive as i never got lag, but tbh i never really noticed that there was a huge number of players in the game...there was...but it just seemed like too many to care about. I found the same with resistance 2's multiplayer. The other faults i couldnt abide were below par graphics and gameplay the frankly just doesnt live up to MW2.
However i do hate it when developers for one system slag of the other system you can almost see sony standing over them telling them what to say.
As for the 10 year old kids yes they are annoying, but there is a mute feature people. And the invitation system and party chat features mean you never really need to hear them. Still though im sure that when sony decide to bundle mics with the ps3's 10 year old with be cursing and swearing on PSN but they just currently dont have the cash to buy one separate
I wouldn't necessarly say more mature but the fact that the 360 comes with a headset is a double edged sword. In one hand anyone can jump in and speak straight away, on the other ANYONE can jump in and speak straight away. Its unlikely that someone will spend £20 just to abuse someone across a game.
Look--I'm a self-proclaimed Yankee. I live in the South.
When I'm called 'Yankee' by someone from the south, it's typically due to resentment about my relation kicking their relation's bottom in a war over state's rights (NOT slavery--big misconception about the American Civil War).
When I'm called 'Yankee' by the friends I have from Britain, it's because of resentment about my relation kicking their relation's bottom in a war about taxation without representation and civil liberties (chief among the varied grievances).
Either way, when I'm being called a 'Yankee', it's because I ended up on the winning side of history. Not really a bad place to be...
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And as far as this subject is concerned, the MAG dev should spend less time riling up the fanboy camps and more time improving what plays and looks like a sub-average, multiplayer-only game. The PS3 already has shelf-space devoted to such a creature (SOCOM) and MAG will be lucky to challenge SOCOM in sales.
Oh, and I do have both a PS3 and 360. There are plenty of wastes of human flesh playing online for both systems--you just hear about the 360 more because it has the larger install base and there's a greater emphasis for its online space.
Must say I had some fun on Live with the gamertag spankz_yankz...
and the use of terms like "yank" is what causes you brits/english to get so much flack on live; over half my friends list on XBL is from the UK so;before you go running at the gums.we don't like being called "yanks" anymore then you like being called "limey's".BUT i will agree there are so real a$$h0l3$ here in the states;BUTnot all of us..
To call me a name that reminds us that our forefathers were sensible enough to avoid scurvy is anything but an insult. I don't know about any other British people here but I know that I have never been offended by that term.
I was going to type something to that effect, never been offended by limey, it only implies that we had a sensible navy who knew how to keep the crew healthy. I love limes as well, that helps, so do Mexicans, and Mexicans are cool, especially on the Yucatan.
I'd agree with that, especially when playing Modern Warfare 2 online. So many obnoxious morons whose sole purpose in the game is to abuse and generally annoy as many people as possible. Sure you get the odd game with some pretty decent folk, but alas most of the time its the idiots who are out in force.
Must say I had some fun on Live with the gamertag spankz_yankz...
and the use of terms like "yank" is what causes you brits/english to get so much flack on live; over half my friends list on XBL is from the UK so;before you go running at the gums.we don't like being called "yanks" anymore then you like being called "limey's".BUT i will agree there are so real a$$h0l3$ here in the states;BUTnot all of us..
To call me a name that reminds us that our forefathers were sensible enough to avoid scurvy is anything but an insult. I don't know about any other British people here but I know that I have never been offended by that term.
I was going to type something to that effect, never been offended by limey, it only implies that we had a sensible navy who knew how to keep the crew healthy. I love limes as well, that helps, so do Mexicans, and Mexicans are cool, especially on the Yucatan.
Look--I'm a self-proclaimed Yankee. I live in the South.
When I'm called 'Yankee' by someone from the south, it's typically due to resentment about my relation kicking their relation's bottom in a war over state's rights (NOT slavery--big misconception about the American Civil War).
When I'm called 'Yankee' by the friends I have from Britain, it's because of resentment about my relation kicking their relation's bottom in a war about taxation without representation and civil liberties (chief among the varied grievances).
Either way, when I'm being called a 'Yankee', it's because I ended up on the winning side of history. Not really a bad place to be...
Wow they really do miss out some facts about the american war of independance. in the states don't they. Like the whole land grab aspect of it. You know the settlers distaste at the British proposing to let the natives have their own independant state, which was what really sparked the war and is the reason why many native americans joined the British.
Then again the little parts that are glossed over are always the most interesting don't you find.
Look--I'm a self-proclaimed Yankee. I live in the South. When I'm called 'Yankee' by someone from the south, it's typically due to resentment about my relation kicking their relation's bottom in a war over state's rights (NOT slavery--big misconception about the American Civil War). When I'm called 'Yankee' by the friends I have from Britain, it's because of resentment about my relation kicking their relation's bottom in a war about taxation without representation and civil liberties (chief among the varied grievances). Either way, when I'm being called a 'Yankee', it's because I ended up on the winning side of history. Not really a bad place to be...
I beg to differ old boy,but you seemed to have missed out that A) the Civil war was America V America, yanks v confeds, north v south dosnt matter because America still won either way. (suppose its 1 way to get your XP up) And if it wasn't for the French that supplied your melishas with weapons to fight us British you wouldnt be living in a 'free' land now. We gave up the Americas because A) we didnt want to get into what would of been the first true world war with France and B)We didn't realise quiet how many resources lay in America.
America was just a big supply shed of raw materials to be shipped back to England, made into something saleable then shipped back off around the world. If we had known then How resourceful America was espcially the gold out west, i do believe that first world war with the French would of happened and the world would look very different indeed.
plus you can get a blu tooth headset from maplin for a tenner which most kids could afford if they wanted to,but they dont so thats fine with me
Must say I had some fun on Live with the gamertag spankz_yankz...
and the use of terms like "yank" is what causes you brits/english to get so much flack on live; over half my friends list on XBL is from the UK so;before you go running at the gums.we don't like being called "yanks" anymore then you like being called "limey's".BUT i will agree there are so real a$$h0l3$ here in the states;BUTnot all of us..
To call me a name that reminds us that our forefathers were sensible enough to avoid scurvy is anything but an insult. I don't know about any other British people here but I know that I have never been offended by that term.
Actually, I can't think of one racist comment about white-British aimed at me that I haven't found a) hilarious, or b) eye-rollingly pathetic.
How many white-British here don't find it hilarious when someone refers to them as "honkey"?!
Some people are simply too quick to take offence, and if nothing else it simply fuels the vitriol that is often banded around games on XBL.
Hmm. Out of curiosity, would you consider it a badge of honour to be called a "chav"?
Not at all. That would fall under the "eye-rollingly pathetic" category. These people don't know me from Adam, so if they say something like that I know they're simply ignorant and I get on with the rest of my life.
Look--I'm a self-proclaimed Yankee. I live in the South.
When I'm called 'Yankee' by someone from the south, it's typically due to resentment about my relation kicking their relation's bottom in a war over state's rights (NOT slavery--big misconception about the American Civil War).
When I'm called 'Yankee' by the friends I have from Britain, it's because of resentment about my relation kicking their relation's bottom in a war about taxation without representation and civil liberties (chief among the varied grievances).
Either way, when I'm being called a 'Yankee', it's because I ended up on the winning side of history. Not really a bad place to be...
Wow they really do miss out some facts about the american war of independance. in the states don't they. Like the whole land grab aspect of it. You know the settlers distaste at the British proposing to let the natives have their own independant state, which was what really sparked the war and is the reason why many native americans joined the British.
Then again the little parts that are glossed over are always the most interesting don't you find.
A bit like the film U571 in which the Americans seemed to find the enigma machines...... When in fact the British had done this before the Americans even entered the war. Also the British would pass the Uboat threat information on to both the Canadians and the US to enable them to avoid the threat and therefore sail happily across the ocean. However while the Canadians used this information wisely and sailed safely the Americans ignored the info and instead became the focus of a new German hobby of sinking the American Ships. (Although I am not sure how well a film based on these events would have done in the US)
Now I know that we would probably not have won the war if it was not for American help and a good many brave Americans died in order to help defeat the Axis war machine (I have been to pearl harbour and it is a very sobering experience). However I do wish they would at least attempt to get their facts right every now and then.
Now now, let’s not turn this into a British vs. Americans battle, they may have won a battle against a severely depleted navy and army as we were more concerned with the threat from the dirty Dutch and filthy French back in Europe, but they still speak our language don’t they? It’s certainly not French anyway like some stupid Canadians.
They are our brash, high sock pulled up with sandals wearing, cap purveying cousins from across the pond, and we are they’re stiff upper lip providing, tea drinking, well spoken cousins from across the very same pond.
Lets all dance to the same music as we do and not some obscure European pop and we’ll all be happy.
Now now, let’s not turn this into a British vs. Americans battle, they may have won a battle against a severely depleted navy and army as we were more concerned with the threat from the dirty Dutch and filthy French back in Europe, but they still speak our language don’t they? It’s certainly not French anyway like some stupid Canadians.
They are our brash, high sock pulled up with sandals wearing, cap purveying cousins from across the pond, and we are they’re stiff upper lip providing, tea drinking, well spoken cousins from across the very same pond.
Lets all dance to the same music as we do and not some obscure European pop and we’ll all be happy.
As long as it is not Country music I will happily join your dance.
You do know that the most historically inaccurate part of U571 is that there wasn't any Americans involved. It was actually a British Submarine.
But do you know the faction that i think deserves a lot more credit in WWII. The Polish. They held out with absolutly no help against the germans and then when poland finally fell a lot of them came to britain and joined the army. Same goes for all the other european countries that had men that did the same.
If we believed the americans they saved us all from the evil nazis that were coming to destroy the uk.
Fact of the matter is that hitler had no intention of invading british soil, or any part of the empire. It was us that made the first proper stand against them, while the americans dithered and ignored the war, providing both sides with guns and ammo. It took a japanese sneak attack at 2 in the morning to get them to finally do the right thing.
Look--I'm a self-proclaimed Yankee. I live in the South. When I'm called 'Yankee' by someone from the south, it's typically due to resentment about my relation kicking their relation's bottom in a war over state's rights (NOT slavery--big misconception about the American Civil War). When I'm called 'Yankee' by the friends I have from Britain, it's because of resentment about my relation kicking their relation's bottom in a war about taxation without representation and civil liberties (chief among the varied grievances). Either way, when I'm being called a 'Yankee', it's because I ended up on the winning side of history. Not really a bad place to be...
I beg to differ old boy,but you seemed to have missed out that A) the Civil war was America V America, yanks v confeds, north v south dosnt matter because America still won either way. (suppose its 1 way to get your XP up) And if it wasn't for the French that supplied your melishas with weapons to fight us British you wouldnt be living in a 'free' land now. We gave up the Americas because A) we didnt want to get into what would of been the first true world war with France and B)We didn't realise quiet how many resources lay in America.
America was just a big supply shed of raw materials to be shipped back to England, made into something saleable then shipped back off around the world. If we had known then How resourceful America was espcially the gold out west, i do believe that first world war with the French would of happened and the world would look very different indeed.
plus you can get a blu tooth headset from maplin for a tenner which most kids could afford if they wanted to,but they dont so thats fine with me
Not quite.
1) While many refer to the USA as "America" some of the other "Americans" spread out across North, South and Central America resent that limited association since they are technically also "Americans" and part of (the) "America(s)".
2) The Confederacy would not have been "America" (or the USA) since it was trying to secede from the Union. Whatever it would have been had the South not lost the US Civil War we may never know, but it wouldn't have been "America" (aka. "The United States of America".
3) The inhabitants of Boston during the time leading up to the Revolutionary War had the highest standard of living in the British Empire at the time. Some would argue this is all the more reason to question the "official" version that the war for independence started over a taxes and a lack of representation. The Boston "massacre" that was supposedly carried out by red coats may in fact have amounted to little more than the killing of a few citizens that were part of a gathering mob threatening the soldiers. If that is truly what happened then I personally find their actions entirely justifiable as self-defense. Regardless of whether that is what happened or not, it was seized upon by dissident colonials and successfully used as a rallying cry/propaganda tool.
4) The fact, no matter how humiliating it may be for some to accept, is that the British forces and their hired mercenary armies initially crushed the fledgling Continental Army of the colonial rebels, yet gradually found themselves outmaneuvered and beaten by guerrilla tactics. Ex. in one battle some 4,000 red coats were pitted against roughly 400 rebels and their losses were staggering. Turns out that marching rank and file up a fortified hill where people with guns are shooting at you isn't necessarily the best way to defeat the opponent - but such were the tactics of the day at the time.
As for not wanting to get in to a war with France, that happened regardless. Besides, Britain was already involved in a global naval war with Spain at the time. Here's a brief excerpt:
"France provided supplies, ammunition and weapons to the rebels from 1776, and the Continentals' capture of a British army in 1777 led France to enter the war in early 1778, which evened the military strength with Britain. Spain and the Dutch Republic – French allies – also went to war with Britain over the next two years, threatening an invasion of England and severely testing British military strength with campaigns in Europe — including attacks on Minorca and Gibraltar — and an escalating global naval war. Spain's involvement culminated in the expulsion of British armies from West Florida, securing the American colonies' southern flank.
As a fitting side-note, something that is often not mentioned is that the British successfully defended Quebec from a siege by Continental forces. Had they not done so that part of Canada might very well be part of the United States today.
Look--I'm a self-proclaimed Yankee. I live in the South.
When I'm called 'Yankee' by someone from the south, it's typically due to resentment about my relation kicking their relation's bottom in a war over state's rights (NOT slavery--big misconception about the American Civil War).
When I'm called 'Yankee' by the friends I have from Britain, it's because of resentment about my relation kicking their relation's bottom in a war about taxation without representation and civil liberties (chief among the varied grievances).
Either way, when I'm being called a 'Yankee', it's because I ended up on the winning side of history. Not really a bad place to be...
Wow they really do miss out some facts about the american war of independance. in the states don't they. Like the whole land grab aspect of it. You know the settlers distaste at the British proposing to let the natives have their own independant state, which was what really sparked the war and is the reason why many native americans joined the British.
Then again the little parts that are glossed over are always the most interesting don't you find.
A bit like the film U571 in which the Americans seemed to find the enigma machines...... When in fact the British had done this before the Americans even entered the war. Also the British would pass the Uboat threat information on to both the Canadians and the US to enable them to avoid the threat and therefore sail happily across the ocean. However while the Canadians used this information wisely and sailed safely the Americans ignored the info and instead became the focus of a new German hobby of sinking the American Ships. (Although I am not sure how well a film based on these events would have done in the US)
Now I know that we would probably not have won the war if it was not for American help and a good many brave Americans died in order to help defeat the Axis war machine (I have been to pearl harbour and it is a very sobering experience). However I do wish they would at least attempt to get their facts right every now and then.
Very true. Like you I've also been to Pearl Harbor and it is a sobering experience; a bit surreal really. There you are in gorgeous tropical weather and yet you can still see small bubbles of oil seep to the surface from one of the sunk battleships (the "USS Arizona" IIRC) where the bodies of the service men who went down with the ship are still trapped inside. Not to mention the memorial where long lists of names of fallen soldiers are mentioned. The military cemetery overlooking parts of Honolulu give pause for thought as well I find, similar to the memorials for fallen British forces at Edinburgh Castle.
I suppose the silver lining of US ships being attacked and sunk by German u-boats is that it helped form the US' decision to declare war on Germany.
You do know that the most historically inaccurate part of U571 is that there wasn't any Americans involved. It was actually a British Submarine.
But do you know the faction that i think deserves a lot more credit in WWII. The Polish. They held out with absolutly no help against the germans and then when poland finally fell a lot of them came to britain and joined the army. Same goes for all the other european countries that had men that did the same.
If we believed the americans they saved us all from the evil nazis that were coming to destroy the uk.
Fact of the matter is that hitler had no intention of invading british soil, or any part of the empire. It was us that made the first proper stand against them, while the americans dithered and ignored the war, providing both sides with guns and ammo. It took a japanese sneak attack at 2 in the morning to get them to finally do the right thing.
It was the allies that won WWII not America!
Much as I loathe the conscious campaign of mass rape, pillaging and murder that the advancing Red Army carried out against the Germans and their allies, in terms of enemy combatants faced and defeated, as well as losses incurred, it was the Soviets who arguably bore the brunt of fighting between the Allies during WWII.
I agree with General Patton however, that it would be a grave mistake for Eisenhower to order Patton's Third Army to hold back some sixty miles from Berlin. Turns out the disciplinarian loving General Patton was right. Related to another thread the other day, I think from a strategic and political perspective the US did the "right" thing by using the atomic bomb. It gave the Japanese emperor a way to convince his generals to surrender which they would normally not do given their Bushido honour code (they couldn't possibly fight nor defend against that weapon, and only more loss would come of it so surrender would be better though still distasteful to them I imagine), and it sent a very clear message to Stalin and the Russians not to get too many funny ideas about pushing further in to Europe, Asia nor the Middle East.
Look--I'm a self-proclaimed Yankee. I live in the South.
When I'm called 'Yankee' by someone from the south, it's typically due to resentment about my relation kicking their relation's bottom in a war over state's rights (NOT slavery--big misconception about the American Civil War).
When I'm called 'Yankee' by the friends I have from Britain, it's because of resentment about my relation kicking their relation's bottom in a war about taxation without representation and civil liberties (chief among the varied grievances).
Either way, when I'm being called a 'Yankee', it's because I ended up on the winning side of history. Not really a bad place to be...
Wow they really do miss out some facts about the american war of independance. in the states don't they. Like the whole land grab aspect of it. You know the settlers distaste at the British proposing to let the natives have their own independant state, which was what really sparked the war and is the reason why many native americans joined the British.
Then again the little parts that are glossed over are always the most interesting don't you find.
A bit like the film U571 in which the Americans seemed to find the enigma machines...... When in fact the British had done this before the Americans even entered the war. Also the British would pass the Uboat threat information on to both the Canadians and the US to enable them to avoid the threat and therefore sail happily across the ocean. However while the Canadians used this information wisely and sailed safely the Americans ignored the info and instead became the focus of a new German hobby of sinking the American Ships. (Although I am not sure how well a film based on these events would have done in the US)
Now I know that we would probably not have won the war if it was not for American help and a good many brave Americans died in order to help defeat the Axis war machine (I have been to pearl harbour and it is a very sobering experience). However I do wish they would at least attempt to get their facts right every now and then.
Very true. Like you I've also been to Pearl Harbor and it is a sobering experience; a bit surreal really. There you are in gorgeous tropical weather and yet you can still see small bubbles of oil seep to the surface from one of the sunk battleships (the "USS Arizona" IIRC) where the bodies of the service men who went down with the ship are still trapped inside. Not to mention the memorial where long lists of names of fallen soldiers are mentioned. The military cemetery overlooking parts of Honolulu give pause for thought as well I find, similar to the memorials for fallen British forces at Edinburgh Castle.
I suppose the silver lining of US ships being attacked and sunk by German u-boats is that it helped form the US' decision to declare war on Germany.
The silly thing is that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour was in fact a copy of the British attack on the Italian fleet in Taranto. They were very impressed by the fact that a small number of carrier aircraft were able to effectively take the entire italian fleet out of the war.
Of course the US could have prevented the attack or at least lessened the impact by actually taking notice of the radar operators that told the command about the incoming aircraft instead of ignoring them...... Although even then they may have been stuffed as some bright spark decided that it would be a good idea to leave the entire airforce of pearl harbour in the middle of the airfield without ammunition or fuel......
probably right, the number of stupid american kids playing halo 3 is annoying. i never enter group chats, only party up with people i know in real life.
Don't forget all the scrotes from the UK as well. Like most might have said (I'm not reading all the posts!), its best just to get into a party chat with your friends or whatever. I think that's the best move M$ ever did for Live
1) While many refer to the USA as "America" some of the other "Americans" spread out across North, South and Central America resent that limited association since they are technically also "Americans" and part of (the) "America(s)".
I did state in a previous post that i was refering to all North Americans being Yankees. Meaning the USA. When i said north and south it was of the states. Then theres Central America and South/Latin America. All of which are collectively known as the Americas,named after a welsh map maker if memory serves me correct. But i see what your saying and dont understand why they would want the burden of the tag American anyway.
2) The Confederacy would not have been "America" (or the USA) since it was trying to secede from the Union. Whatever it would have been had the South not lost the US Civil War we may never know, but it wouldn't have been "America" (aka. "The United States of America".
This is true but i was saying no matter who won we would still be having this discussion,just with different names.
4) The fact, no matter how humiliating it may be for some to accept, is that the British forces and their hired mercenary armies initially crushed the fledgling Continental Army of the colonial rebels, yet gradually found themselves outmaneuvered and beaten by guerrilla tactics. Ex. in one battle some 4,000 red coats were pitted against roughly 400 rebels and their losses were staggering. Turns out that marching rank and file up a fortified hill where people with guns are shooting at you isn't necessarily the best way to defeat the opponent - but such were the tactics of the day at the time. As for not wanting to get in to a war with France, that happened regardless. Besides, Britain was already involved in a global naval war with Spain at the time. Here's a brief excerpt: "France provided supplies, ammunition and weapons to the rebels from 1776, and the Continentals' capture of a British army in 1777 led France to enter the war in early 1778, which evened the military strength with Britain. Spain and the Dutch Republic ? French allies ? also went to war with Britain over the next two years, threatening an invasion of England and severely testing British military strength with campaigns in Europe ? including attacks on Minorca and Gibraltar ? and an escalating global naval war. Spain's involvement culminated in the expulsion of British armies from West Florida, securing the American colonies' southern flank.
While this maybe true it dosnt take into account we had much more valuable holdings in the far east,Asia Africa that we knew was valuable or at least more valuable than what could turn out to be a over expensive land grab in the new world. Remember the Spanish had already been fooled by fools gold,would it really been worth our resources to carry on a war on 2 fronts? In hindsight knowing what we know now maybe yes,maybe an earlier form of the magna carta would of helped. Im just saying good military decisions arnt made on firepower alone.
Anyway where were the Germans back then? thought they would be up for a bit of world domination. I dont know you hear hardly anything for centurys then boom 20th century and they get a power complex.
Anyway where were the Germans back then? thought they would be up for a bit of world domination. I dont know you hear hardly anything for centurys then boom 20th century and they get a power complex.
I don't think there was a german state as such until after the war of independence when a war with the French brought about a unification. There's nothing like a good war with the french to bring a nation together
Edit: It seems that Armies recruited from the separate germanic states were in fact part of the war of independence on the side of the British.
Look--I'm a self-proclaimed Yankee. I live in the South.
When I'm called 'Yankee' by someone from the south, it's typically due to resentment about my relation kicking their relation's bottom in a war over state's rights (NOT slavery--big misconception about the American Civil War).
When I'm called 'Yankee' by the friends I have from Britain, it's because of resentment about my relation kicking their relation's bottom in a war about taxation without representation and civil liberties (chief among the varied grievances).
Either way, when I'm being called a 'Yankee', it's because I ended up on the winning side of history. Not really a bad place to be...
Wow they really do miss out some facts about the american war of independance. in the states don't they. Like the whole land grab aspect of it. You know the settlers distaste at the British proposing to let the natives have their own independant state, which was what really sparked the war and is the reason why many native americans joined the British.
Then again the little parts that are glossed over are always the most interesting don't you find.
A bit like the film U571 in which the Americans seemed to find the enigma machines...... When in fact the British had done this before the Americans even entered the war. Also the British would pass the Uboat threat information on to both the Canadians and the US to enable them to avoid the threat and therefore sail happily across the ocean. However while the Canadians used this information wisely and sailed safely the Americans ignored the info and instead became the focus of a new German hobby of sinking the American Ships. (Although I am not sure how well a film based on these events would have done in the US)
Now I know that we would probably not have won the war if it was not for American help and a good many brave Americans died in order to help defeat the Axis war machine (I have been to pearl harbour and it is a very sobering experience). However I do wish they would at least attempt to get their facts right every now and then.
Very true. Like you I've also been to Pearl Harbor and it is a sobering experience; a bit surreal really. There you are in gorgeous tropical weather and yet you can still see small bubbles of oil seep to the surface from one of the sunk battleships (the "USS Arizona" IIRC) where the bodies of the service men who went down with the ship are still trapped inside. Not to mention the memorial where long lists of names of fallen soldiers are mentioned. The military cemetery overlooking parts of Honolulu give pause for thought as well I find, similar to the memorials for fallen British forces at Edinburgh Castle.
I suppose the silver lining of US ships being attacked and sunk by German u-boats is that it helped form the US' decision to declare war on Germany.
The silly thing is that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour was in fact a copy of the British attack on the Italian fleet in Taranto. They were very impressed by the fact that a small number of carrier aircraft were able to effectively take the entire italian fleet out of the war.
Of course the US could have prevented the attack or at least lessened the impact by actually taking notice of the radar operators that told the command about the incoming aircraft instead of ignoring them...... Although even then they may have been stuffed as some bright spark decided that it would be a good idea to leave the entire airforce of pearl harbour in the middle of the airfield without ammunition or fuel......
Aye, although it could have been worse. From a industrial military complex perspective, has the Japanese decided to go with a third wave of attack and take out ammunition and fuel depots along with shipyard repair facilities they would have hindered the US Navy for far longer. Admiral Nemitz estimated that such an act would have prolonged the war in the Pacific Theater by another year or two.
Sometimes it beggars belief the decisions, or lack thereof, that are made at the tables of power though I guess it just goes to show we are all human and fallible no matter where in society we find ourselves. Besides, it's awfully easy to criticize with 20/20 hind vision.
1) While many refer to the USA as "America" some of the other "Americans" spread out across North, South and Central America resent that limited association since they are technically also "Americans" and part of (the) "America(s)".
I did state in a previous post that i was refering to all North Americans being Yankees. Meaning the USA. When i said north and south it was of the states. Then theres Central America and South/Latin America. All of which are collectively known as the Americas,named after a welsh map maker if memory serves me correct. But i see what your saying and dont understand why they would want the burden of the tag American anyway.
2) The Confederacy would not have been "America" (or the USA) since it was trying to secede from the Union. Whatever it would have been had the South not lost the US Civil War we may never know, but it wouldn't have been "America" (aka. "The United States of America".
This is true but i was saying no matter who won we would still be having this discussion,just with different names.
4) The fact, no matter how humiliating it may be for some to accept, is that the British forces and their hired mercenary armies initially crushed the fledgling Continental Army of the colonial rebels, yet gradually found themselves outmaneuvered and beaten by guerrilla tactics. Ex. in one battle some 4,000 red coats were pitted against roughly 400 rebels and their losses were staggering. Turns out that marching rank and file up a fortified hill where people with guns are shooting at you isn't necessarily the best way to defeat the opponent - but such were the tactics of the day at the time. As for not wanting to get in to a war with France, that happened regardless. Besides, Britain was already involved in a global naval war with Spain at the time. Here's a brief excerpt: "France provided supplies, ammunition and weapons to the rebels from 1776, and the Continentals' capture of a British army in 1777 led France to enter the war in early 1778, which evened the military strength with Britain. Spain and the Dutch Republic ? French allies ? also went to war with Britain over the next two years, threatening an invasion of England and severely testing British military strength with campaigns in Europe ? including attacks on Minorca and Gibraltar ? and an escalating global naval war. Spain's involvement culminated in the expulsion of British armies from West Florida, securing the American colonies' southern flank.
While this maybe true it dosnt take into account we had much more valuable holdings in the far east,Asia Africa that we knew was valuable or at least more valuable than what could turn out to be a over expensive land grab in the new world. Remember the Spanish had already been fooled by fools gold,would it really been worth our resources to carry on a war on 2 fronts? In hindsight knowing what we know now maybe yes,maybe an earlier form of the magna carta would of helped. Im just saying good military decisions arnt made on firepower alone.
How are you anyway all good i hope
Cheers Moss. Doing better than some and worse than others I reckon. Suppose I can't rightfully complain too much. How has the new year been treating you so far?
Anyway where were the Germans back then? thought they would be up for a bit of world domination. I dont know you hear hardly anything for centurys then boom 20th century and they get a power complex.
I don't think there was a german state as such until after the war of independence when a war with the French brought about a unification. There's nothing like a good war with the french to bring a nation together
Edit: It seems that Armies recruited from the separate germanic states were in fact part of the war of independence on the side of the British.
Yep. Germany as a nation didn't form until the 1871 A.D. with the Prussian principality being the unifying force of the other German principalities. There were however German mercenary forces hired by the British crown and deployed in the American colonies.
The relatively late entry by Germany in to the European colonial race is also commonly cited as one of the contributing factors to the outbreak of WWI, as it sought to expand its territorial holdings and prestige. Other main factors included arms races (particularly between Britain and Germany), political dissent in the Austro-Hungarian empire, detentes and alliances that triggered a dominoes effect once two nations went to war, high national pride (ties in with colonialism/imperialism), etc.
Now now, let’s not turn this into a British vs. Americans battle, they may have won a battle against a severely depleted navy and army as we were more concerned with the threat from the dirty Dutch and filthy French back in Europe, but they still speak our language don’t they? It’s certainly not French anyway like some stupid Canadians.
They are our brash, high sock pulled up with sandals wearing, cap purveying cousins from across the pond, and we are they’re stiff upper lip providing, tea drinking, well spoken cousins from across the very same pond. Lets all dance to the same music as we do and not some obscure European pop and we’ll all be happy.
Oh God please no.
I would wish for the exact opposite.
I absolutely detest American tastes in music - dominated by Hip-Hop, R'n'B and Rap.
Give me the cheesy delights of European dance music or electronic any day.
Funny how there is little mention of the fact MAG wasn't all that much fun. Sorry if I am a bit spoiled, but after playing call of duty 6, playing MAG felt like a step backwards.
As far as how much peopled talked, I played maybe 50-100 matches in MAG and I can only remember maybe 2 or 3 in which people on my team were talking, and maybe once the whole time in which someone with a first aid kit came over to pick me back up. As far as teamwork, it was rather non-existant, I couldn't get any help to take over any objective, most people treated every match like it was free-for-all.
Probably true most xbox owners are under 16, have those daft fringes and only play Halo anyway. That being said I just dont want to pay to play online. I'll stick to offline with my xbox thanks.
Psn is full of bottomwipes as well which is why i tend to rarely turn my headset on and if i'm on live i'm in a party so i dont have to listen to the nobheads.
well marlon jb if yoy think thats what on xbox live then everyone then i can say that all ps3 owners are creepy middleaged men who swarm around girl gamers and prey on children but thats just assumptions right
Probably true most xbox owners are under 16, have those daft fringes and only play Halo anyway. That being said I just dont want to pay to play online. I'll stick to offline with my xbox thanks.
Same. That's what I have my PC for amongst other things.
Im good thanks KVD cant complain,got the ankle bracelet sorted and still gaming. Ordered heavy rain and thinking about MAG. Opened up my PS3 and it was smoke related lol so a quick clean and was good as new. No way was i paying 130 for a refurb. T10 fitment and a all purpose lens cleaner and jobs a good un.
But back to time team. Wasnt Germany known as Germania so was a state of sorts. Just a state the Romans didnt want to French Connection UK with??
Im good thanks KVD cant complain,got the ankle bracelet sorted and still gaming. Ordered heavy rain and thinking about MAG. Opened up my PS3 and it was smoke related lol so a quick clean and was good as new. No way was i paying 130 for a refurb. T10 fitment and a all purpose lens cleaner and jobs a good un.
But back to time team. Wasnt Germany known as Germania so was a state of sorts. Just a state the Romans didnt want to French Connection UK with??
Im good thanks KVD cant complain,got the ankle bracelet sorted and still gaming. Ordered heavy rain and thinking about MAG. Opened up my PS3 and it was smoke related lol so a quick clean and was good as new. No way was i paying 130 for a refurb. T10 fitment and a all purpose lens cleaner and jobs a good un.
But back to time team. Wasnt Germany known as Germania so was a state of sorts. Just a state the Romans didnt want to French Connection UK with??
Glad to hear it! Well done on cleaning your PS3 by yourself and getting it up and running. Much preferable than forking over a 130 quid. That's hardly chump change in my world at any rate.
Germany resides in an area that was once referred to as "Germania" inhabited by Germanic tribes such as the Vandals, Visigoths, etc. The Romans never successfully conquered them and a border was established at the Rhine and Danube Rivers. Germania contained most of the Germanic peoples. Today those people are found in Germany, Switzerland, the Benelux and Scandinavian countries. Interestingly English is also considered a Germanic language and so the Celts appear to have been Germanic too which would imply that the British are also Germanic peoples.
is it just me or does MAG not look like an amazing game??? im thinking 'warhawk span of attention'??? i maybe wrong as i havent played it, seen it in action on trailers etc and it seems to me just another to the collection of easily forgettable online shooters??? 256 players doesnt impress me either, the more players on a shooter the worse it is to me, becomes a daft mess and tactics and skill shot right out the window which defeats the whole object of playing an online shooter to me, that number of players playing against each other instantly put me off this game.... but i havent played it yet so my judgement is reserved for the moment til i get my hands on a play of it...
What a stupid thing to say, it's like blabbering on preaching that ferraris aren't as good as fiestas because they get caught speeding more. If PSN had the same capabilities then it would expose the same level of US whiney nobheads that exist on the planet.
The guy would have been right before the 80gb PS3. But, and I'll stick with this rule, the lower the price, the more people will buy it. This applies to most products. Seeing as the idiots who blabber crap through mics usually don't earn a high wage, they couldn't afford a new 60gb PS3. But when prices dropped under £375, I sold my headset, because I knew that idiots could now afford it. And look here, I was right! Now the PS3 has almost as many idiots as the 360. I also agree with the guy who said that the PS3 has a more mature menu system. The perfect example of my point is my friend and his 2 younger brothers. They all owned 360s, then the 80gb PS3 dropped in price, and they now all have one of those. As I speak, I'm looking at all of their comments, spelt terribly and not making any sense. 2 of them also bad-mouth anyone and everyone in their games. However, there's going to be some intelligence on the 360 too, as it was released far sooner, and they won't want to lose all of their online friends to get a PS3.
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