If the console war was anything like an actual war, it'd be over in seconds. Nintendo's Wii and DS sold over seven million units between them just in December.
According to US stat crunchers The NPD, December was the biggest month ever for our favourite pastime, videogames. Wii and DS stole the show and PlayStation 3 sold a tad more than Xbox 360 for the month.
"The video game industry experienced its biggest sales month ever, besting last December by 4%," said NPD's Anita Frazier. "It wasn't enough, though, to compensate for the sales decline throughout the year, and so full-year sales came in 8% below last year's record-setting revenues."
"December marks just the fourth month of the year where the industry saw an increase over last year," continuned Frazier. "January and February were both up, and since the decline that began in March, only September experienced growth. The big sales this month, particularly on the hardware front, is a positive move for the industry headed into what will hopefully be a recovery year in 2010."
According to VG Chartz figures running from 04th Jan 2009 to 2nd Jan 2010 (closest I could get to the 2009 year) the worldwide sales for 2009 of each of the major consoles were as follows:
Obvious that the Wii has run away with this gen, but I reckon over the next few years the PS3 could catch the 360. That is unless Natal is a huge success, we'll have to wait and see...
According to VG Chartz figures running from 04th Jan 2009 to 2nd Jan 2010 (closest I could get to the 2009 year) the worldwide sales for 2009 of each of the major consoles were as follows:
Obvious that the Wii has run away with this gen, but I reckon over the next few years the PS3 could catch the 360. That is unless Natal is a huge success, we'll have to wait and see...
Thats after the 360 had a very average year with exclusives. This year is going to be massive.
Well done all....what a massive industry this has become. Software Out selling CD's and movies. PS3 is catching the Xbox, but this year with Splinter Cell, Halo Reach, Alan Wake and Mass Effect 2, i think the X360 will pull away slightly. With Natal coming (and if it is priced well) the xbox could have a fantastic year. (xbox tag: Knifey McStab)
Well done everyone, videogames have come a long way since I started playing them & are now obviously the leading type of entertainment. Microsoft & Sony did really well, but Nintendo are unstoppable. I can see Microsoft pulling ahead of Sony slightly this year, with all their exclusives, rumoured pricedrops and of course Natal, but no matter which console(s) you own it's a great time to be a gamer.
I'm curious to know what the sales breakdown of games sold by platform is to see which performs best for the developers. Does anyone know?
I have all 3 machines but my Wii basically sits gathering dust untill I blow the cobwebs of Wii sports when we come back from the pub p**sed.
The Wii might have a massive install base hardware wise but everyone I know that has one hardly uses it. It's just sat there - like an old excersise bike.
If a game's multiplatform I check out the reviews and buy it on whichever platform's best (if it's 50/50 I usually buy it on XBox cos the controller's better)
I'm curious to know what the sales breakdown of games sold by platform is to see which performs best for the developers. Does anyone know?
I have all 3 machines but my Wii basically sits gathering dust untill I blow the cobwebs of Wii sports when we come back from the pub p**sed.
The Wii might have a massive install base hardware wise but everyone I know that has one hardly uses it. It's just sat there - like an old excersise bike.
If a game's multiplatform I check out the reviews and buy it on whichever platform's best (if it's 50/50 I usually buy it on XBox cos the controller's better)
Am I alone in my buying/usage process?
I guess it's different for everyone.
As I recall, the Wii has the lowest attach rate of the 3 consoles and the 360 has the highest. For me personally, I have about 20 Wii games and about 30 360 games - but, I traded a load of 360 games in a while back, so I guess my 360 gets more games than my Wii by a rate of about 2:1.
That said, there's probably more Wii games that I actually want at the moment.
damn the wii sold more than both the 360 and ps3 combined. Thats insane.
Basically Nintendo have taken this gen. there's no way the other two could hope to catch that lead unless they literally started giving them away.
However i could see this gen ending with quite an even split between sony and MS at the end of it if sonys fortunes continue to improve. But their in fighting can surely only be a good thing as its going to lead to lower costs, more features and hopefully better exclusives on each system.
I personally see the Wii as a last gen console. People seem to buy one on a whim whilst their main console is either the Xbox or the PS3. Lets face it...the WII is pretty GASH...
The Wii is mental, how is it still selling so well cause the line-up was pretty poor for it, plus they did not get the biggest game of the year. Just goes to prove they have been adopted by a completely different demographic, you can imagine loads of boyfriends and husbands buying it for their other half at bdays and xmas.
But on a brighter side Wii users might upscale to a proper console, I know many that have.
Looks like Sony might catch Xbox this year, but think Microsoft might price Natal and Xbox aggressively. I reckon its gonna be a £150 bundle by the holidays.
Apparently God of War 3 looks like a first gen PS4 game!! if this is the case developers is gonna lead on the PS3 and then we will start seeing what it is capable of.
I personally see the Wii as a last gen console. People seem to buy one on a whim whilst their main console is either the Xbox or the PS3. Lets face it...the WII is pretty GASH...
Its a console released in this generation of videogames, so yes it is . The hardware power etc have nothing to do with its generation its when it is sold and what it competes against. All in all great sales for all of them and plenty of good games to play on each, at the end of the day we're all the winners here whether you have one two or all three of them, we are spoiled for choice in great games to play and 2010 looks even better. Let the good time roll
I really don't understand the obsession with sales figures. Does anyone care when they buy a TV, a washing machine, a car, whatever how many of the product has sold against the competition. And more importantly, does it really matter? Is there really a console owner who cares about this? It's not even interesting, is it? It's dull, shareholder, money-obsessed information that I'm surprised a games website, let alone a gamer cares about. Can someone actually explain why this information is important to them and affects their hobby.
I really don't understand the obsession with sales figures. Does anyone care when they buy a TV, a washing machine, a car, whatever how many of the product has sold against the competition. And more importantly, does it really matter? Is there really a console owner who cares about this? It's not even interesting, is it? It's dull, shareholder, money-obsessed information that I'm surprised a games website, let alone a gamer cares about. Can someone actually explain why this information is important to them and affects their hobby.
Couldn't agree more.
I guess it's only interesting if there is one lagging behind and there might be concern that support from the major publishers is dropped, that's the only time I'd ever have any real interest in the figures - there's no chance of that this gen though.
I can actually see the 360 and PS3 ending up pretty much dead level - Nintendo will be so far out front that Sony and MS are barely competition though.
… "Well done all....what a massive industry this has become. Software Out selling CD's and movies. PS3 is catching the Xbox, but this year with Splinter Cell, Halo Reach, Alan Wake and Mass Effect 2, i think the X360 will pull away slightly. With Natal coming (and if it is priced well) the xbox could have a fantastic year. (xbox tag: Knifey McStab)" …
I don’t know, with White Knight, Final Fantasy Verses, Heavy Rain, The Last Guardian, The Agent, Mod Nation Racers, God of War 3, Grand Turismo 5, Yakuza 3, 3D Dot etc all incoming solely on PS3, I would say it’s a fair bet that PS3 will lead the sales.
Not to mention Sony's motion controls offer a greater degree of playing games than Natal.
To explain this, Natal appears to be a shinier Eye Toy device but nothing major, whereas Sony's motion controls seem to be more akin to Wii's and as Nintendo's platform has demonstrated with titles such as COD and Metroid, the controls work. If PS3 can offer this on next gen games such as Crysis 2 or Killzone 3 then we'll be in for a hell of a treat and should be a great system seller.
I personally see the Wii as a last gen console. People seem to buy one on a whim whilst their main console is either the Xbox or the PS3. Lets face it...the WII is pretty GASH...
Its a console released in this generation of videogames, so yes it is . The hardware power etc have nothing to do with its generation its when it is sold and what it competes against. All in all great sales for all of them and plenty of good games to play on each, at the end of the day we're all the winners here whether you have one two or all three of them, we are spoiled for choice in great games to play and 2010 looks even better. Let the good time roll
Problem being though is proper nex gen titles arent compatible on it and last gen games have been its best i.e. Zelda, Okami and Resident Evil 4 to name a few. No great cross gen titles are avilable on it and it solely relies on exclusives which are few and far between. No Aliens vs Predator 3. No Bioshock 2. No Batman Arkham Asylum. No Assasins Creed 2. etc etc
I would argue that the Wii isnt a next gen console and I know at least 4 40+ year ols who own one with Wii fit, Wii Play and Wii Sports but no decent games (Mario, Little Kings Storey or Medtroid etc).
Sony really have changed thigs around. 2010 is gonna rock for them with all the exclusives coming our way. Not to mention the new motion controller too.
… "Well done all....what a massive industry this has become. Software Out selling CD's and movies. PS3 is catching the Xbox, but this year with Splinter Cell, Halo Reach, Alan Wake and Mass Effect 2, i think the X360 will pull away slightly. With Natal coming (and if it is priced well) the xbox could have a fantastic year. (xbox tag: Knifey McStab)" …
I don’t know, with White Knight, Final Fantasy Verses, Heavy Rain, The Last Guardian, The Agent, Mod Nation Racers, God of War 3, Grand Turismo 5, Yakuza 3, 3D Dot etc all incoming solely on PS3, I would say it’s a fair bet that PS3 will lead the sales.
Who set him off? Clandestine lists in paragraphs, just put them in bullet point, listed in order of sales expectation, and chronologically too, that would be a proper list not the frankly pathetic list you’ve provided there, it’s got no style, no panache. The pure list is the way to make people agree with you, not the sneaky list, do it and thou shalt be able to convert those charlatans who see not the light that is the truth in list form.
Please no one else retort with another list, as his is as pointless as yours would be, unless you used bullets, chortle chortle.
Thank Crunchie its Friday and we have another flame-bait article. Whats the betting this has been floating around the CVG offices for a few days just waiting for that Friday feeling.
No. Just really sad. Keep dong what your doing though, you must be impressing someone .
I fully intend to keep my dong!
You seem to exude the demeanor of a grumpy grandfather, dude.
Is the name "Stonecold" referring to a certain...um...sense of humour failure?
Compared to some of the kids on here I probably could be a Grandfather. Now I like a joke as much as the next person but when it is the same joke over and over again, it gets pretty tiring.
If you want to be a standout Fan(ny)boy then you have to improve you material, 10 fold. I await your new and improved jokes and routines that will get us all laughing with interest.
I'M SORRY you all just mad nintendo indeed are doing very well but globaly MS and sony are reaching the needed levels to make a good living from,MS do windows 7 and xbox with DLC Sony are doing it all from movie production,music,ps3 and the whole range with lets face it PSN making tons of cash 4 them.What ever u play or own it's a personal choice but what is GREAT is that now we are the main stream of entertainment and not movies ect anymore.
I think the RRP of an Elite and PS3 are the same in the USA, at $299. That's got to be massively in Sony's favour, as anyone who NEEDS wireless will be paying more for a 360, plus BR etc etc.
You can get Elite bundles over here that make the console work out at under £150. MS actually aren't screwing the UK with their RRP compared to America, that's got to be a first!
who ever said MS should not of entered the living room is an bottom. I love my xbox, its great online, great graphics, great exclusives. Mine is 4 years old and no RROD. Natal looks amazing. I sold my PS3 as the controller is GASH as was the online stuff. The PS3 is a great console, with great potential, but at the moments, games relseased on both formats look and play better on the xbox. Well done MS.
I think for all those comparing Wii to 360 and PS3 - Microsoft and Sony aren't competing with Nintendo, only each other.
The Wii is old hardware and one gimmick idea that managed to take the idiotic casual gamers by storm. Name one Wii game anywhere near as good as a AAA title of either PS3 or 360 and I tell you ow - you're wrong, no Wii game can ever be as good. The Wii is made with ONLY money in mind - otherwise it might be a more impressive machine.
MS and Sony are going to attempt to steal some of its market share with Wand/Natal but that would be the first time they attempt to play Nintendo at their game.
I think for all those comparing Wii to 360 and PS3 - Microsoft and Sony aren't competing with Nintendo, only each other.
The Wii is old hardware and one gimmick idea that managed to take the idiotic casual gamers by storm. Name one Wii game anywhere near as good as a AAA title of either PS3 or 360 and I tell you ow - you're wrong, no Wii game can ever be as good. The Wii is made with ONLY money in mind - otherwise it might be a more impressive machine.
MS and Sony are going to attempt to steal some of its market share with Wand/Natal but that would be the first time they attempt to play Nintendo at their game.
Easy, I'll give you 2:
Mario Galaxy & Mario Kart.
You probably disagree, but I can tell you now - you're wrong.
What r you people like!!??!! Who gives a tupny f@ck if the 360 sold 1 million more than the PS3 last tuesday or that the PS3 is "Catching Up" (i love that line, leaves me with a mental image of the 2 boxes running a race with the 360 looking nervously looking over its shoulder at the closing Black Box of doom!!!). MS, Sony or the Big N could not give a toss about each and everyone of its LOYAL userbase (me included as I own all 3), if they had a bigger, better cash cow to milk they would drop us all in a heartbeat. Your mad,obssivive loyalty is mis-placed and juxtaposed with the reality of the situation.
Like a car or a Bike everyone buys one that either they need/can afford/lust after or just plain wanted. But you would not start an argument down the pub if you own a Audi Q7 and your mate an X5 and wish that BMW would go pop and you heard that Audi were 'Catching' BMW in sales this year!! He would look at you like "WTF?" and rightly so. Sales figures are only the start of the money earned by a company when it sells it's wares and consoles (like cars and bikes) make most of their money from 3rd party or aftermarket sales. In Cars/bikes this is parts/spares/3rd party spares (royalty fee) and of course the big one SERVICING and TRADE-IN Re-sale. THis is where the real Money is made (and what attracts the 3rd party people by the sales). For consoles it is the games and peripherals that make the money, Look at MW2 sales userbase or not the 360 has sold nearly double the copies of that game compared to the PS. Like it or not loyalty or not a Company will only support a train that make the money, Even if the PS3 caught the 360 and they both had the same userbase, it means squat unless the Pickup rate on sales is the same or better. What is the point spending 10 million making a game for a 40million userbase if the pickup rate for a AAA title is 10% when on another console that only has 36m base sells 25% on a AAA title.
I simply hope for more games at a better price for both!!!. Enjoy people and stop being blindly obsessed by a misguided view of loyalty!!!
Oh not this s**t again. I'm fed up of you bloody fanboys with your one sided view.
First those figures you've quoted are well out. Your using the MS devison that also includes products like Zune its not only the 360. But fanboys like you don't count that.
And that stupid figure you pulled out your bottom for Sony is a load of nonsence. Sony made a loss on Systems only. When you actually add the profit from PSN and retail software sales, SONY ACTUALLY MADE MONEY! Why on earth do you think that the PS3 business model is any different to that of the PS1 or PS2? Its not, Sony has always sold consoles at a loss so they are cheaper to buy than the compants that are used to build them. This way you sell a product for a great price, but you sell so many that you easly make your money back and more from software sales. If you had actually been around when Sony changed the business model from what Sega and Nintendo used to do in the Mega Drive and SNES days, you might of known this. But a little kid like you has got no chance. Being a stupid fanboy doesn't help either.
I dunno what the big deal is, the ps3 narrowly outsold the 360 for one month in december(admitadly it's the christmas month).
Well done to sony i say, the ps3 has made a lot of ground up on the 360 in recent times.
Now if it starts to outsell the 360 over there month after month, i'd say microsoft have a problem. With the release of mass effect 2 about to hit the shelves, i'd be very surprised if the ps3 is ahead of the 360 for this month.
It ebbs and flows depending on the game releases, we saw that with the 360 on quite a few ocassions outselling the ps3 in japan over certain months.
only_777, I believe that "sell hardware at a loss and make money on software" model was in place long before Sony entered the market.
It's only really Nintendo that has been going back against it lately. And bragging rights aside, I'm sure any company would rather sell fewer, more profitable units.
But yeah, good figures all round. It looked like Sony might've really screwed this gen up, but they came up with the games and MS have taken a good market share I doubt they thought they'd see this gen and nintendo didn't go bust. Happy days I'd say!
It'll be interesting to see how the fight between Sony and M$ goes this year. Other than Halo and maybe Splinter Cell, I don't think M$'s exclusives will give it that much of an advantage over Sony (though Halo could be enough). Mass Effect did well last time but I don't think its a mega advantage. Until Alan Wake gets more exposure, its a non entity. And yes, it remains to be seen if Natal will help them.
Sony have big name games coming this year with God of War 3, Gran Turismo 5 and The Last Guardian will work in their favour.
All this I mean in sales terms not quality of the games. Sony's games will be better in this respect anyway... It'll be interesting to see how FF 13 does on both consoles.
Nintendo though will walk away with this year again. I think their 'Big 3' (assuming they all release this year) along with continued hardware sales will see them in the top spot again
But while Nintendo do dominate, its not like its disheartening for the other two. Its not like the Wii has a 100million+ lead over the PS3 and 360 like the PS2 did last gen. Everyone can be happy this gen and in the end, the gamers are the real winners
Sony have big name games coming this year with God of War 3, Gran Turismo 5 and The Last Guardian will work in their favour.
i dont know, if you ask the average joe what the last guardian is will they know? i'd also say only people really into gaming will know about god of war as well, where as halo is something that has made headline news over the years but i dont think god of war has.
i suppose it all depends on what percentage of people buying games read publications online or off the shelf magazines - i doubt it is the majority.
it all comes down to marketing and a lot of people on this site seem to be offended by marketing and pr.
The potential for the PS3 to really pull away from 360 this year is there.
The PS3 line-up for 2010 is awesome, and bar Halo Reach, the 360 will have a hard time competing.
Price-wise, Sony will at some point slash another £50 off the Slim. The 360, going at £100 for the Core, hasn#y really got anymore room for manouevre on the price front.
Natal is also a more expensive tech than the Sony Wand, both are gimmicks, but any price advantage lies with Sony in their offering.
The potential for the PS3 to really pull away from 360 this year is there.
The PS3 line-up for 2010 is awesome, and bar Halo Reach, the 360 will have a hard time competing.
Price-wise, Sony will at some point slash another £50 off the Slim. The 360, going at £100 for the Core, hasn#y really got anymore room for manouevre on the price front.
Natal is also a more expensive tech than the Sony Wand, both are gimmicks, but any price advantage lies with Sony in their offering.
can i have your crystal ball please?
from my perspective the 360 has the best lineup as i want alan wake, ME2 and halo reach but the only ps3 game i want is GT5. funny thing opinion, eh?
i haven't read any of the comments to be fair, but i just want to say that as a wii gamer, this year is exciting as f**k. it actually is up there and probably ahead of ps3 in terms of excitement about depth of games to come in 2010.
no more heroes 2, red steel 2, silent hill wii, zelda wii, galaxy 2 and metroid: m. damn that sounds f**king good.
The potential for the PS3 to really pull away from 360 this year is there.
The PS3 line-up for 2010 is awesome, and bar Halo Reach, the 360 will have a hard time competing.
Price-wise, Sony will at some point slash another £50 off the Slim. The 360, going at £100 for the Core, hasn#y really got anymore room for manouevre on the price front.
Natal is also a more expensive tech than the Sony Wand, both are gimmicks, but any price advantage lies with Sony in their offering.
can i have your crystal ball please?
from my perspective the 360 has the best lineup as i want alan wake, ME2 and halo reach but the only ps3 game i want is GT5. funny thing opinion, eh?
Bloody hell, Pishers. Is it you vs Sony fans day, or something. If you don't pack it in soon, you may end up with little 360 babies.
The potential for the PS3 to really pull away from 360 this year is there.
The PS3 line-up for 2010 is awesome, and bar Halo Reach, the 360 will have a hard time competing.
Price-wise, Sony will at some point slash another £50 off the Slim. The 360, going at £100 for the Core, hasn#y really got anymore room for manouevre on the price front.
Natal is also a more expensive tech than the Sony Wand, both are gimmicks, but any price advantage lies with Sony in their offering.
can i have your crystal ball please?
from my perspective the 360 has the best lineup as i want alan wake, ME2 and halo reach but the only ps3 game i want is GT5. funny thing opinion, eh?
First of all let me get this out of the way: I am not Mystic Meg.
Now, let me just stir the pot a little further.
You absolutely must not underestimate the effect of GT5 on PS3 hardware sales. It truely is the game that will finaly convert those countless PS2 owners over to PS3. I know so many people (2, in fact) that have waited and waited until GT5 arives before they take the plunge with Sony's latest black monolith.
It is the first of the franchise on PS3 (Prologue doesn't count). Halo Reach is not going to attract the same numbers to 360 after the console has already had Halo 3, ADHT and Wars.
So any Halo fanboy likely has a 360 already.
There are 4 million GT3 fans out there that don't own a PS3 yet. That is a fact.
The potential for the PS3 to really pull away from 360 this year is there.
The PS3 line-up for 2010 is awesome, and bar Halo Reach, the 360 will have a hard time competing.
Price-wise, Sony will at some point slash another £50 off the Slim. The 360, going at £100 for the Core, hasn#y really got anymore room for manouevre on the price front.
Natal is also a more expensive tech than the Sony Wand, both are gimmicks, but any price advantage lies with Sony in their offering.
can i have your crystal ball please?
from my perspective the 360 has the best lineup as i want alan wake, ME2 and halo reach but the only ps3 game i want is GT5. funny thing opinion, eh?
Bloody hell, Pishers. Is it you vs Sony fans day, or something. If you don't pack it in soon, you may end up with little 360 babies.
Maybe change your name to Pishersonyourparade?
lots of pent up anger, need to vent before exploding.
seriously though, its like people looking over at their neighbour and slagging of the garden/car/ decor/kids. i can see the ps3 has good games but for some reason people cant see the other side in good light.
im still a PC fanboy at heart, just cant get all the games these days or justify the expense.
good name by the way, might consider taking it on.
Makes me laugh ,that i was on a similar post about month a half ago commenting on a story that xbox 360 would be selling 3-1 against the playstation3 , looks like that wasnt accurate at all, haha up yours xboxers
Your above comment however, is anything but wise when you stop to consider where MS placed with the first Xbox last generation compared to now. Add to that the fact that the Xbox 360 still leads the PS3 by roughly 5.5 million units, and possesses the highest console attach rate (which is where the real money is made for the console makers), do you still honestly think that "MS should never have entered the living room"? From a money making business perspective your sentiment falls flat on its face.
Incidentally, imagine if Sony had taken your advice to heart when it first started out with the original Playstation? I rest my case.
� "Well done all....what a massive industry this has become. Software Out selling CD's and movies. PS3 is catching the Xbox, but this year with Splinter Cell, Halo Reach, Alan Wake and Mass Effect 2, i think the X360 will pull away slightly. With Natal coming (and if it is priced well) the xbox could have a fantastic year. (xbox tag: Knifey McStab)" �
I don�t know, with White Knight, Final Fantasy Verses, Heavy Rain, The Last Guardian, The Agent, Mod Nation Racers, God of War 3, Grand Turismo 5, Yakuza 3, 3D Dot etc all incoming solely on PS3, I would say it�s a fair bet that PS3 will lead the sales.
Who set him off? Clandestine lists in paragraphs, just put them in bullet point, listed in order of sales expectation, and chronologically too, that would be a proper list not the frankly pathetic list you�ve provided there, it�s got no style, no panache. The pure list is the way to make people agree with you, not the sneaky list, do it and thou shalt be able to convert those charlatans who see not the light that is the truth in list form.
Please no one else retort with another list, as his is as pointless as yours would be, unless you used bullets, chortle chortle.
Conkers, I love your particular brand of deviousness! Don't ever change.
All this I mean in sales terms not quality of the games. Sony's games will be better in this respect anyway... It'll be interesting to see how FF 13 does on both consoles.
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Wow. You really have crossed the point of no return in fanboy-dom land, haven't you?
Apropos "ME2", there is no other game that has been announced for 2010 that I am more excited about, and there are most certainly an awful lot of other individual gamers that are eagerly anticipating it's release. Will it be the biggest selling game "ever"? Probably not. Will it sell in the multiple of millions? Quite likely I'd say.
only_777, I believe that "sell hardware at a loss and make money on software" model was in place long before Sony entered the market.
You'r probably right. Although I do know that this is not how Sega and Nintendo used to operate back in the 80's & 90's. What is a pity is that most people have not heard of this business stratagey, and therefore belive that becuase Sony loses money on PS3 console sales that Sony is losing money on the Playstation business. Its just as poor as people that see the MS profit figures then totaly forget/choose to ignore that this also includes Zune, etc.
The potential for the PS3 to really pull away from 360 this year is there.
The PS3 line-up for 2010 is awesome, and bar Halo Reach, the 360 will have a hard time competing.
Price-wise, Sony will at some point slash another �50 off the Slim. The 360, going at �100 for the Core, hasn#y really got anymore room for manouevre on the price front.
Natal is also a more expensive tech than the Sony Wand, both are gimmicks, but any price advantage lies with Sony in their offering.
can i have your crystal ball please?
from my perspective the 360 has the best lineup as i want alan wake, ME2 and halo reach but the only ps3 game i want is GT5. funny thing opinion, eh?
First of all let me get this out of the way: I am not Mystic Meg.
Now, let me just stir the pot a little further.
You absolutely must not underestimate the effect of GT5 on PS3 hardware sales. It truely is the game that will finaly convert those countless PS2 owners over to PS3. I know so many people (2, in fact) that have waited and waited until GT5 arives before they take the plunge with Sony's latest black monolith.
It is the first of the franchise on PS3 (Prologue doesn't count). Halo Reach is not going to attract the same numbers to 360 after the console has already had Halo 3, ADHT and Wars.
So any Halo fanboy likely has a 360 already.
There are 4 million GT3 fans out there that don't own a PS3 yet. That is a fact.
Hmmmmmm. "2" people do not constitute "many people" by any stretch of the human imagination. Let the actual sales figures speak for themselves when they are released...And for the sake of your prediction you'd best hope that "GT5" actually ends up being released this year.
Oh, and as for the 4 million claim "fact"...Source please?
There are 4 million GT3 fans out there that don't own a PS3 yet. That is a fact.
I was just wondering how you know that to be fact? There are more PS3s out there than copies of GT3 sold aren't there? What if everyone who bought GT3 has already bought a PS3?? Or are you comparing Prologue to GT3 sales?
Makes me laugh ,that i was on a similar post about month a half ago commenting on a story that xbox 360 would be selling 3-1 against the playstation3 , looks like that wasnt accurate at all, haha up yours xboxers
That was a story from a voucher/discount code site trying to get some publicity, and relating to the UK (US sales here) and was, I thought, roundly derided as being a bit OTT?
But glad it made you laugh. It's much better to laugh about it than get your knickers in a twist about that completely rubbish headline grabbing 'news' article.
Look at the numbers for the entire year and the 360 still outsold the PS3 in the US overall.
I own all three consoles. But this year is an interesting one because both consoles have huge franchises that I am interested in. So I personally think both are in for a good year.
Look at the numbers for the entire year and the 360 still outsold the PS3 in the US overall.
I own all three consoles. But this year is an interesting one because both consoles have huge franchises that I am interested in. So I personally think both are in for a good year.
Now, now Bazza. Don't hold back; tell us how you really feel...
only_777, I believe that "sell hardware at a loss and make money on software" model was in place long before Sony entered the market.
You'r probably right. Although I do know that this is not how Sega and Nintendo used to operate back in the 80's & 90's. What is a pity is that most people have not heard of this business stratagey, and therefore belive that becuase Sony loses money on PS3 console sales that Sony is losing money on the Playstation business. Its just as poor as people that see the MS profit figures then totaly forget/choose to ignore that this also includes Zune, etc.
Yeah, I remember reading back in the MD/SNES days they were losing money per unit, at least at launch anyway. Although my memory may be blurred slightly here!
The fact Sony were losing money (and after years of making loads of profit) was always pretty much a non starter for me. MS lost shed loads forcing their way into the industry, but were still seen as doing well. Also, the money Sony 'lost' on a PS3 sale also pushed the BR format, and that is kind of invaluable and probably impossible to calculate.
The only thing they may have lost out is people like me who won't buy both. I've got my 360 and I won't be getting rid unless MS implode and they stop releasing games for it!
Although if it dies and isn't covered by warranty, I would then reconsider. Another benefit for Sony, besides people not wanting to risk the whole rrod fiasco in the first place and going straight for the PS3!
The Wii fanboy has no good points at all, he backs up his own statements with fake facts and lies about the debt, if any, that Sony and Microsoft are in. 5 billion loss, 9 billion loss, 5 billion WHAT? Dollars? Pounds? Euros? You're as thick as shit, and about as entertaining as one as well.
who gives a flying f**k the software still aint selling so people are choosing the cheap blue ray player and its a great year for both the 360 and ps3 so why doesnt everyone shut the f**k up there in perfect competition which means both companys make better games to compete with each other which is a win win for us gamers (not you ps3_f***yboy you are not a gamer)
Although if it dies and isn't covered by warranty, I would then reconsider. Another benefit for Sony, besides people not wanting to risk the whole rrod fiasco in the first place and going straight for the PS3!
Don't let the RRoD scare you. My 60gb PS3 failed just before Christmas and I had to buy a slim instead. My 360 has had RRoD but it didn't cost me because I got it repaired for free.
Jesus, the PS3 outselling the 360 in America? Isn't America traditionally the 360's strongpoint.
Now, I'm not going to go all fanboy, but, I am going to say this, (I haven't seen the 360 figures compared to last years), but is the market starting to saturate?
Truth be told, I think MS and Sony still have a way to go before they even break even on the PS3 and 360. Sony is doing very poorly financially recently, something more to do with the increasing strength of the Yen though. Where as Xbox, on the other hand, made it's first quarterly pofit ever. yes, ever only a few months back. I'm talking about the brand here, not just the 360. Look it up, it's fact.
Ninty must be on top of the f**king world, although I think the future is brighter for MS and Sony. Sony and MS are incredibly close when you take into account Sony released their console 1 year later. Infact, going off that, they're just in the lead.
As for the comment regarding there's 4 million GT fans that haven't converted as of yet, well, that's practically impossible to measure, but, it is worth nothing that GT3 sold roughly 14.89m and Prologue only sold roughly 4,17m copies. Make of that what you will, but regardless of how you think about it, GT5 WILL shift some Playstations.
Jesus, the PS3 outselling the 360 in America? Isn't America traditionally the 360's strongpoint.
Now, I'm not going to go all fanboy, but, I am going to say this, (I haven't seen the 360 figures compared to last years), but is the market starting to saturate?
Truth be told, I think MS and Sony still have a way to go before they even break even on the PS3 and 360. Sony is doing very poorly financially recently, something more to do with the increasing strength of the Yen though. Where as Xbox, on the other hand, made it's first quarterly pofit ever. yes, ever only a few months back. I'm talking about the brand here, not just the 360. Look it up, it's fact.
Ninty must be on top of the f**king world, although I think the future is brighter for MS and Sony. Sony and MS are incredibly close when you take into account Sony released their console 1 year later. Infact, going off that, they're just in the lead.
As for the comment regarding there's 4 million GT fans that haven't converted as of yet, well, that's practically impossible to measure, but, it is worth nothing that GT3 sold roughly 14.89m and Prologue only sold roughly 4,17m copies. Make of that what you will, but regardless of how you think about it, GT5 WILL shift some Playstations.
Yes, the US is the Xbox 360's "stronghold", just as Japan is the PS3's equivalent. That said, there has been the rare occurrence where the Xbox 360 sold more than the PS3 in a given month in Japan due to a exclusive game title. The PS3 has outsold the Xbox 360 in the US for the month of December 2009. As another poster pointed out this is a reoccurring ebb and flow of sales; if the PS3 sales continue to surpass the Xbox 360 sales in the US by significant numbers, that might be a good time for MS to become concerned. The next few months will be interesting in regards to how the balance changes or not.
Also, it's been at least a year since reports circulated of MS making a tiny profit on the Xbox 360 though not as much as Nintendo does with the Wii. Sony isn't losing as much money manufacturing the PS3 slim as it did with the older PS3 - one report indicated it had brought costs down by roughly 50% which is impressive although it is still manufactured and sold at a loss.
I keep reading comments about MS's "tiny" lead over Sony in the console market, etc. In which industry besides que tips for cleaning out ear wax, is a sales advantage of ca. 5½ million units considered "close to being even" or "just barely taking the lead"?! That's a hell of a lot of consoles and I'd bet good money that many of those with a horse in the PS3 camp would crow from the rooftops about such a lead being "massive", etc. if the roles were reversed.
All this I mean in sales terms not quality of the games. Sony's games will be better in this respect anyway... It'll be interesting to see how FF 13 does on both consoles.
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Wow. You really have crossed the point of no return in fanboy-dom land, haven't you
Wow, really!? Tell me, why would I be a fanboy of a console I don't own?
Having said that, M$hite have nothing on offer that'll be remotely amazing this year. Splinter Cell? I'll believe it when I see it but Ubi Soft aren't a company that make amazing games. Alan Wake could fall flat on its face too. Mass Effect might float your boat but that game is Mass Boredom for me. Ditto the Halo franchise (which are not amazing games)
I mean, if I'd not sold my 360, the only games I'd really bother with this year are Dead Rising 2 (if they don't c**k it up), Bioshock 2, the new Batman game (if that is due for this year) and maybe Crackdown 2 (still not sure how good this might be). But nothing else I really could give two shits about, really.
Apart from Crackdown, I could get those games on the PS3 if I was ever to buy one but that's hardly a priority in my life right now. I do admit that the games on that and the Wii look more interesting though
juiken just go jump in too sausage and f***yboys bed, the 360 has great exclusives this year of all kinds of genres, just like the ps3 has to offer from $ony. i personally are looking forward to metro 2033, fable 3, milo and kate, joyride and ninety nine nights 2, and all the ones you metiioned lol not to mention the high quality content on xbox live arcade lol
and iwill, just a little statistic? just a little bulls**t, i searched that site and found no eveidnece to support your claim but i did find out that the xbox 360's software is out selling the ps3 software 3 too 1,so thats a little worring for sony that people might be buying there console for the cheap blue ray option
Whatever dude (yawn! read my post properly). You just keep playing the same games doing the same things and be blown away by them. I moved on a long time ago from games that do that...
And games that try to be like films don't do it for me either. Style over substance and all that
Jesus, the PS3 outselling the 360 in America? Isn't America traditionally the 360's strongpoint.
Now, I'm not going to go all fanboy, but, I am going to say this, (I haven't seen the 360 figures compared to last years), but is the market starting to saturate?
Truth be told, I think MS and Sony still have a way to go before they even break even on the PS3 and 360. Sony is doing very poorly financially recently, something more to do with the increasing strength of the Yen though. Where as Xbox, on the other hand, made it's first quarterly pofit ever. yes, ever only a few months back. I'm talking about the brand here, not just the 360. Look it up, it's fact.
Ninty must be on top of the f**king world, although I think the future is brighter for MS and Sony. Sony and MS are incredibly close when you take into account Sony released their console 1 year later. Infact, going off that, they're just in the lead.
As for the comment regarding there's 4 million GT fans that haven't converted as of yet, well, that's practically impossible to measure, but, it is worth nothing that GT3 sold roughly 14.89m and Prologue only sold roughly 4,17m copies. Make of that what you will, but regardless of how you think about it, GT5 WILL shift some Playstations.
Yes, the US is the Xbox 360's "stronghold", just as Japan is the PS3's equivalent. That said, there has been the rare occurrence where the Xbox 360 sold more than the PS3 in a given month in Japan due to a exclusive game title. The PS3 has outsold the Xbox 360 in the US for the month of December 2009. As another poster pointed out this is a reoccurring ebb and flow of sales; if the PS3 sales continue to surpass the Xbox 360 sales in the US by significant numbers, that might be a good time for MS to become concerned. The next few months will be interesting in regards to how the balance changes or not.
Also, it's been at least a year since reports circulated of MS making a tiny profit on the Xbox 360 though not as much as Nintendo does with the Wii. Sony isn't losing as much money manufacturing the PS3 slim as it did with the older PS3 - one report indicated it had brought costs down by roughly 50% which is impressive although it is still manufactured and sold at a loss.
I keep reading comments about MS's "tiny" lead over Sony in the console market, etc. In which industry besides que tips for cleaning out ear wax, is a sales advantage of ca. 5½ million units considered "close to being even" or "just barely taking the lead"?! That's a hell of a lot of consoles and I'd bet good money that many of those with a horse in the PS3 camp would crow from the rooftops about such a lead being "massive", etc. if the roles were reversed.
Some good points there, although obviously the significance here is the PS3 outsold the 360 in the states over Christmas, which is always a biggy.
Didn't the 360 outsell the PS3 in Japan because of some obscure flight sim, or something? Mental
It depends how you look at it. Obviously 5.5million is a big number. There's 117 xboxes/i? to every 100 PS3's. At the rate the PS3 is currently outselling the 360, it's possibly the PS3 could possibly overtake the 360 in overall sales by the end of the year, so, when you look at it like that, that number is slight.
Also, what's all this about the 360 having a 'huge' year for exclusives? Mass effect wasn't that huge of a game, selling less than Uncharted.
GT5 will easily cancel out Halo:Reach. I don't honestly know of any other 360 exclusives, I'm sure there's more 'big ones', I just can't think of any.
PS3, I know has: The last Guardian(Huge), GT5(Huge), Timesplitters 4 (questionable), L.A Noire (again, questionable), Heavy Rain (questionable) God of War 3(Huge), Resistance 3.
All of these should be flogging ATLEAST 1 million each. Most will probably be closer to 5.
MS are still being outsold by a fairly large amount after Christmas too, this is why I think MS should be slightly worried. Not that anything really changes if PS3 sales surpass the 360, but it'd be a massive landmark regardless.
and IWILL STOPS SPOUTING BULLs**t YOU IGNORED MY POST CALLING UR LIES AND YOU IGNORE IT, AND SINCE WEN HAS IT BEEN ANOUNCED THAT TIMESPLITTERS 4 IS A PS3 EXCLUSIVE? LINK PLEASE? AND THE 360 HAS ALOT OF GAMES THAT WILL SELL OVER A MILLION HALO REACH WILL BEAT GT5 BECAUSE IT WILL NEVER BE REALEASED IF THEY FOCUSED MORE ON THE GAME THAN REALEASING TRAILERS EVERY 2 WEEKS IT WOULD BE HERE 3 YEARS AGO AND The last Guardian(Huge) THIS DOES LOOK GOOD BUT I DOUBT A MILLION SALES, GT5(Huge) LOOK ABOVE, Timesplitters 4 (questionable) BULLs**t, L.A Noire (again, questionable) CANCELLED I HEARD NOT SURE THIS IS AN EXCLUSIVE MORE TIMED, Heavy Rain (questionable) JUST LIKE ALAN WAKE IT WILL SELL WELL JUST NOT MAJOR SALES God of War 3(Huge)LOOKS GOOD WILL SELL WELL FOR SONY JUST LIKE FABLE 3 WILL SELL WEL FOR MICROSOFT, Resistance 3. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA NONE WANTED A SEQUEL WHY MAKE A THIRD THIS IS A BLAND SHOOTER GEARS OF WAR WANABEE AND GEARS OF WAR 3 IF THIS YEAR WILL s**t ALL OVER THIS
Jesus, the PS3 outselling the 360 in America? Isn't America traditionally the 360's strongpoint.
Now, I'm not going to go all fanboy, but, I am going to say this, (I haven't seen the 360 figures compared to last years), but is the market starting to saturate?
Truth be told, I think MS and Sony still have a way to go before they even break even on the PS3 and 360. Sony is doing very poorly financially recently, something more to do with the increasing strength of the Yen though. Where as Xbox, on the other hand, made it's first quarterly pofit ever. yes, ever only a few months back. I'm talking about the brand here, not just the 360. Look it up, it's fact.
Ninty must be on top of the f**king world, although I think the future is brighter for MS and Sony. Sony and MS are incredibly close when you take into account Sony released their console 1 year later. Infact, going off that, they're just in the lead.
As for the comment regarding there's 4 million GT fans that haven't converted as of yet, well, that's practically impossible to measure, but, it is worth nothing that GT3 sold roughly 14.89m and Prologue only sold roughly 4,17m copies. Make of that what you will, but regardless of how you think about it, GT5 WILL shift some Playstations.
Yes, the US is the Xbox 360's "stronghold", just as Japan is the PS3's equivalent. That said, there has been the rare occurrence where the Xbox 360 sold more than the PS3 in a given month in Japan due to a exclusive game title. The PS3 has outsold the Xbox 360 in the US for the month of December 2009. As another poster pointed out this is a reoccurring ebb and flow of sales; if the PS3 sales continue to surpass the Xbox 360 sales in the US by significant numbers, that might be a good time for MS to become concerned. The next few months will be interesting in regards to how the balance changes or not.
Also, it's been at least a year since reports circulated of MS making a tiny profit on the Xbox 360 though not as much as Nintendo does with the Wii. Sony isn't losing as much money manufacturing the PS3 slim as it did with the older PS3 - one report indicated it had brought costs down by roughly 50% which is impressive although it is still manufactured and sold at a loss.
I keep reading comments about MS's "tiny" lead over Sony in the console market, etc. In which industry besides que tips for cleaning out ear wax, is a sales advantage of ca. 5½ million units considered "close to being even" or "just barely taking the lead"?! That's a hell of a lot of consoles and I'd bet good money that many of those with a horse in the PS3 camp would crow from the rooftops about such a lead being "massive", etc. if the roles were reversed.
Some good points there, although obviously the significance here is the PS3 outsold the 360 in the states over Christmas, which is always a biggy.
Didn't the 360 outsell the PS3 in Japan because of some obscure flight sim, or something? Mental
It depends how you look at it. Obviously 5.5million is a big number. There's 117 xboxes/i? to every 100 PS3's. At the rate the PS3 is currently outselling the 360, it's possibly the PS3 could possibly overtake the 360 in overall sales by the end of the year, so, when you look at it like that, that number is slight.
Also, what's all this about the 360 having a 'huge' year for exclusives? Mass effect wasn't that huge of a game, selling less than Uncharted.
GT5 will easily cancel out Halo:Reach. I don't honestly know of any other 360 exclusives, I'm sure there's more 'big ones', I just can't think of any.
PS3, I know has: The last Guardian(Huge), GT5(Huge), Timesplitters 4 (questionable), L.A Noire (again, questionable), Heavy Rain (questionable) God of War 3(Huge), Resistance 3.
All of these should be flogging ATLEAST 1 million each. Most will probably be closer to 5.
MS are still being outsold by a fairly large amount after Christmas too, this is why I think MS should be slightly worried. Not that anything really changes if PS3 sales surpass the 360, but it'd be a massive landmark regardless.
4 million unconverted GT3 fanboys Seems the figure should be closer to 10 million
Now, also add to that fact that God of War III is again the first of a huge series on Sony's latest.
Halo Reach doesn't fall into this criteria even if the franchise is huge.
Mass Effect II is not from a huge franchise (yet) and a version of the game is also on PC.
Lastly, Alan Wake is an unknown quantity similar to Heavy Rain.
So, in terms of 'power to shift consoles', GT5 and GoWIII are gonna take some stopping.
and IWILL STOPS SPOUTING BULLs**t YOU IGNORED MY POST CALLING UR LIES AND YOU IGNORE IT, AND SINCE WEN HAS IT BEEN ANOUNCED THAT TIMESPLITTERS 4 IS A PS3 EXCLUSIVE? LINK PLEASE? AND THE 360 HAS ALOT OF GAMES THAT WILL SELL OVER A MILLION HALO REACH WILL BEAT GT5 BECAUSE IT WILL NEVER BE REALEASED IF THEY FOCUSED MORE ON THE GAME THAN REALEASING TRAILERS EVERY 2 WEEKS IT WOULD BE HERE 3 YEARS AGO AND The last Guardian(Huge) THIS DOES LOOK GOOD BUT I DOUBT A MILLION SALES, GT5(Huge) LOOK ABOVE, Timesplitters 4 (questionable) BULLs**t, L.A Noire (again, questionable) CANCELLED I HEARD NOT SURE THIS IS AN EXCLUSIVE MORE TIMED, Heavy Rain (questionable) JUST LIKE ALAN WAKE IT WILL SELL WELL JUST NOT MAJOR SALES God of War 3(Huge)LOOKS GOOD WILL SELL WELL FOR SONY JUST LIKE FABLE 3 WILL SELL WEL FOR MICROSOFT, Resistance 3. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA NONE WANTED A SEQUEL WHY MAKE A THIRD THIS IS A BLAND SHOOTER GEARS OF WAR WANABEE AND GEARS OF WAR 3 IF THIS YEAR WILL s**t ALL OVER THIS
Why put it all in cap? It makes you sound like a 3 year old. Dorian, apoligies, I didn't 'ignore' your post, It just took me so long to write, I'd already clicked the 'post' button before you'd submitted. Dorian, check the site again, use some basic maths. There's nothing on there giving you those statistics, I've worked them out for myself, I've just gone off the figures from the site - check it out yourself if you don't believe me.
Where does it state? that 360 'software' is outselling the PS3's 3 - 1? If you'd said 2 - 1 I'd have struggled to believe you. And please, if you're just going to give me one single game in which the 360 outsold the PS3 version outsold it 3:1, I ask you to stop and just write nothing regarding this, for the sake of us all.
RE: Timesplitters 4 being an exclusive, that's why I bracketed it at called it questionable. However, it always used to be an exclusive and is being made by Free Radical, who are traditionally exclusive to Playstation. Anyways, that was in the latest edition of PSM3, out yesterday in all good stores.
Halo Reach will sell over a million. I'm sure of it. It's just GT5 will easily sell as many as Halo reach. Regardless of what you think of Resistance, it will shift a lot of copies.
Also, it's 'Lwill'.
Edit: I'm pretty certain The last Guardian will shift 1million copies, I believe the market is there for it these days, unlike the PS2 days where it would be seen as quite niche, which would explain the relatively low sales of Ico and Shadow of the Collusus, despite them being huge successes with reviewers.
360 games always outsell there ps3 counterparts if your sayimg the xbox 360 is failing you are really wrong and psm3 are lying bastarrds and misqouted him http://www.n4g.com/News-48710.aspx and the reason free radical went broke is the ps3s choice of making haze a system exclusive and im sure it would of made a good money if it was realesed on 360 aswell so i blame the ps3 for no battlefront 3, you have to except the ps3 may be doing well in hardware but in software its not good if you will struggle to find a game which has sold more on the ps3 in america and britian. i wouldnt want the ps3 failing as it is a good console with good games and mabye after i have all the achievements i will go trophy hunting but thats what makes me a gamer i can admit that sony make good games and you are a fanboy who would lick sonys bumhole for free the 360 has a mind blowing year of exclusives that tops last years by a mile
RE: Timesplitters 4 being an exclusive, that's why I bracketed it at called it questionable. However, it always used to be an exclusive and is being made by Free Radical, who are traditionally exclusive to Playstation. Anyways, that was in the latest edition of PSM3, out yesterday in all good stores.
I've ignored a lot of stuff in this thread, but *clears throat* WHAT YOU CHATTING ABOUT WILLIS?!?!
I'm reasonably certain I played Timesplitters 2 A LOT on the Gamecube (a Nintendo console), and seem to recall giving Timesplitters: Future Perfect a go on the Xbox too (a Microsoft console). And as there have only been 3 Timesplitters games, that's at least 66% NOT Sony exclusives.
This also ignores Second Sight (an underrated MULTI PLATFORM game).
So, Free Radical exclusives: Timesplitters Haze
Traditionally? *throws tradition out of the window*
360 games always outsell there ps3 counterparts if your sayimg the xbox 360 is failing you are really wrong and psm3 are lying bastarrds and misqouted him http://www.n4g.com/News-48710.aspx and the reason free radical went broke is the ps3s choice of making haze a system exclusive and im sure it would of made a good money if it was realesed on 360 aswell so i blame the ps3 for no battlefront 3, you have to except the ps3 may be doing well in hardware but in software its not good if you will struggle to find a game which has sold more on the ps3 in america and britian. i wouldnt want the ps3 failing as it is a good console with good games and mabye after i have all the achievements i will go trophy hunting but thats what makes me a gamer i can admit that sony make good games and you are a fanboy who would lick sonys bumhole for free the 360 has a mind blowing year of exclusives that tops last years by a mile
Apoligies Dorian, I didn't realise you were eight years old. I'll just leave you and your imagination be.
Marty, genuine apoligies to you, I had no idea splitters was multi - platform after the first title. I didn't actually state that Splitters 4 IS exclusive, I just thought it would/will be. Which I'm doubting as of now. Seriously though Marty, you've read all 4 pages of this s**t, and THIS is the thing you've got the biggest problem with? Really. Really!? Each to their own I guess.
66.67 actually (comon, had to be done).
Just a note here all PSM3 stated was that Splitters 4 is possibly coming out, so, they aren't to blame here! (and that it should be a 2010 release). On Battlefront 3 - all may not be lost with that, there's a rumour (this IS in PSM3) that Activision have "brought the project back to life, with a new, as yet unamed, developer. Promising."
If that ^ was a 360 exclusive (which it almost certainly wont be), I'd be tempted to buy a 360 for it.
Seriously though Marty, you've read all 4 pages of this s**t, and THIS is the thing you've got the biggest problem with? Really. Really!? Each to their own I guess.
Well, no. But if I responded to everything I had an issue with, I'd be here all day and would have doubled the length of the thread. Also, I could actuallu write something that would add to the conversation and not be deemed 'fanboyism'.
All this I mean in sales terms not quality of the games. Sony's games will be better in this respect anyway... It'll be interesting to see how FF 13 does on both consoles.
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Wow. You really have crossed the point of no return in fanboy-dom land, haven't you
Wow, really!? Tell me, why would I be a fanboy of a console I don't own?
Having said that, M$hite have nothing on offer that'll be remotely amazing this year. Splinter Cell? I'll believe it when I see it but Ubi Soft aren't a company that make amazing games. Alan Wake could fall flat on its face too. Mass Effect might float your boat but that game is Mass Boredom for me. Ditto the Halo franchise (which are not amazing games)
Wow. That only makes it all the more pathetic then when it is quite clear from your recent comments that for whatever reasons you harbor some sort of grudge or animosity towards MS. As to the "why" of it, perhaps that's something you should spend some introspective time answering for yourself. Eat your heart out.
Furthermore, that you may not find just a handful of the upcoming games (there are others on the way too,) appealing is not necessarily an accurate litmus test of the general reception those games can expect when they are released. Case in point: You may find "Mass Effect" boring and that's fine yet there are likely millions of others whom would disagree with you. It is their purchases of "ME2" that will catapult it to the success it likely deserves gauging by early reviews.
Jesus, the PS3 outselling the 360 in America? Isn't America traditionally the 360's strongpoint.
Now, I'm not going to go all fanboy, but, I am going to say this, (I haven't seen the 360 figures compared to last years), but is the market starting to saturate?
Truth be told, I think MS and Sony still have a way to go before they even break even on the PS3 and 360. Sony is doing very poorly financially recently, something more to do with the increasing strength of the Yen though. Where as Xbox, on the other hand, made it's first quarterly pofit ever. yes, ever only a few months back. I'm talking about the brand here, not just the 360. Look it up, it's fact.
Ninty must be on top of the f**king world, although I think the future is brighter for MS and Sony. Sony and MS are incredibly close when you take into account Sony released their console 1 year later. Infact, going off that, they're just in the lead.
As for the comment regarding there's 4 million GT fans that haven't converted as of yet, well, that's practically impossible to measure, but, it is worth nothing that GT3 sold roughly 14.89m and Prologue only sold roughly 4,17m copies. Make of that what you will, but regardless of how you think about it, GT5 WILL shift some Playstations.
Yes, the US is the Xbox 360's "stronghold", just as Japan is the PS3's equivalent. That said, there has been the rare occurrence where the Xbox 360 sold more than the PS3 in a given month in Japan due to a exclusive game title. The PS3 has outsold the Xbox 360 in the US for the month of December 2009. As another poster pointed out this is a reoccurring ebb and flow of sales; if the PS3 sales continue to surpass the Xbox 360 sales in the US by significant numbers, that might be a good time for MS to become concerned. The next few months will be interesting in regards to how the balance changes or not.
Also, it's been at least a year since reports circulated of MS making a tiny profit on the Xbox 360 though not as much as Nintendo does with the Wii. Sony isn't losing as much money manufacturing the PS3 slim as it did with the older PS3 - one report indicated it had brought costs down by roughly 50% which is impressive although it is still manufactured and sold at a loss.
I keep reading comments about MS's "tiny" lead over Sony in the console market, etc. In which industry besides que tips for cleaning out ear wax, is a sales advantage of ca. 5½ million units considered "close to being even" or "just barely taking the lead"?! That's a hell of a lot of consoles and I'd bet good money that many of those with a horse in the PS3 camp would crow from the rooftops about such a lead being "massive", etc. if the roles were reversed.
Some good points there, although obviously the significance here is the PS3 outsold the 360 in the states over Christmas, which is always a biggy.
Didn't the 360 outsell the PS3 in Japan because of some obscure flight sim, or something? Mental
It depends how you look at it. Obviously 5.5million is a big number. There's 117 xboxes/i? to every 100 PS3's. At the rate the PS3 is currently outselling the 360, it's possibly the PS3 could possibly overtake the 360 in overall sales by the end of the year, so, when you look at it like that, that number is slight.
Also, what's all this about the 360 having a 'huge' year for exclusives? Mass effect wasn't that huge of a game, selling less than Uncharted.
GT5 will easily cancel out Halo:Reach. I don't honestly know of any other 360 exclusives, I'm sure there's more 'big ones', I just can't think of any.
PS3, I know has: The last Guardian(Huge), GT5(Huge), Timesplitters 4 (questionable), L.A Noire (again, questionable), Heavy Rain (questionable) God of War 3(Huge), Resistance 3.
All of these should be flogging ATLEAST 1 million each. Most will probably be closer to 5.
MS are still being outsold by a fairly large amount after Christmas too, this is why I think MS should be slightly worried. Not that anything really changes if PS3 sales surpass the 360, but it'd be a massive landmark regardless.
It could be that the tide has turned between the Xbox 360 and the PS3 however, personally I'm not convinced yet and in light of MS's keen marketing abilities (whether one actually cares for the product being flogged or not) which seem to surpass the effort Sony puts in to marketing it's likely not a done deal yet. Perhaps not surprisingly (though it does surprise me at times) many people do not appear to put much time nor effort in to doing a bit of background research when they buy electronics, etc. In such instances the one with the most posters, TV ads, and competitive pricing is likely to net more sales. I expect Xbox 360 sales to take the lead once more in the US between Jan. and Feb. due to some of the upcoming game releases that are either limited to the Xbox 360 and the PC, or are multi-platform - many of the multi-platform games are apparently programmed and optimized better for the Xbox 360 than the PS3. That likely has to do with the ease of programming on the Xbox 360 which emulates the software used for PCs (which is the accepted standard as I understand it) whereas the PS3 has its own system that is dissimilar.
Speaking of sales, "Mass Effect" sold approximately 2.13 million units for the Xbox 360 according to VGChartz. I'm not always convinced about the accuracy of VGChartz but they do seem to try and make a genuine effort to keep their list updated. The PC sales figures of "Mass Effect" are harder to pin down since neither BioWare nor Valve appear willing to release the exact sales figures however, as you can see in the second link below "Mass Effect" was the 6th most downloaded game on Steam which is the largest digital distributor at present time. I would wager that "Mass Effect" probably sold at least 3 million units between the Xbox 360 and the PC, and it might very well be closer to 4 million units or more. For a brand new IP that's not bad at all, and now that the franchise has far more visibility and is more easily recognized by the gaming population, coupled with the indicated improvements in "ME2", there is good reason to suspect it will sell just as well, if not more so. That'll make for a strong major sales push at the start of 2010 for the Xbox 360 if gamers want to play it on a console (I will be picking it up for the PC since the controls and settings are superior).
Fair enough, but the PC sales aren't really relevant. so, really, it's just selling the 2 ish million. Which is good, but hardly spectacular, not really worth making a huge fuss about. There'll be loads of games that achieve that this year.
Even the Diehard Dorian's comments are wearing thin now. What are these Great Exclusives that are coming for the 360? Mass effect 2 and Alan Wake look good but apart from that there's little else to be excited about really. The Ps3 list is explosive
Fair enough, but the PC sales aren't really relevant. so, really, it's just selling the 2 ish million. Which is good, but hardly spectacular, not really worth making a huge fuss about. There'll be loads of games that achieve that this year.
If that does turn out to be the case then there's no need to mention them either following your own line of reasoning. Incidentally since all those other games have not even made a single solid sale yet they shouldn't even be thought of at all by that same token. Call me enthusiastic, but it seems an awfully dry methodology in which to approach the upcoming releases of various games. I do wonder whether "GT5"'s eventual sales will live up to the high sales expectations of various fans? I would be surprised if it doesn't sell well yet I very much doubt it will push anywhere near double digit millions.
Even the Diehard Dorian's comments are wearing thin now. What are these Great Exclusives that are coming for the 360? Mass effect 2 and Alan Wake look good but apart from that there's little else to be excited about really. The Ps3 list is explosive
well we have halo reach, fable 3, splinter cell conviction, crackdown 2, APB, champions online, natal games, joyride(which is free), metro 2033, milo and kate, gears of war 3 (predict to get announced at e3), ninety nine nights 2, supreme commander 2, mech warrior(i cant remember the name) blue dragon 2, perfect dark hd, secret tales of monkey island 2 lol and lots more and the ones that havnt been anounced yet, i have the decency to say the ps3 has a good list of exclusives too unlike yourself that just shows how much of a non gamer that has spent so much time licking the bumhole of sony that you lost your sense of what a good game is, and i forgot the wii has a good year 2
Mass effect 2 and god of war 3 are the two biggies for me. Alan wake looks interesting as it looks like a silent hill kind of game(i'm a big silent hill fan). It's also by the max payne team, another game i was a big fan of back in the day. I'm looking forward to that more than heavy rain. If heavy rain gets great reviews though, count me in.
I have the decency to say yes Mass Effect and Alan Wake look really good and if they were out on the Ps3 I would buy them. But the rest of your list not so good dorian not so good at all, escape from Monkey Island maybe 10 years ago!! I am biased towards the Ps3 but simply it has the better exclusive list and I am afraid that the 360 is dropping just like I predicted a long time ago but everyone disagreed! How wrong the doubters were!
the 360 is not dropping id i were you i would be more worried that the software isnt selling both t last weeks releases bayonetta and darksiders both sold more on xbox 360 just like army of two and vancouver 2010 will even 2k games said they were disapointed with the ps3 sales of borderlands and thats why ubisoft and thq are putting spinter cell and metro 2033 exclusive to 360 and i forgot to put beyond good and evil 2 in that list which will be amazing and if you say that metro 2033 isnt a good game your not a true gamer as this has been plugged as this decades half life, i wudnt say this years ps3 line up is as good as last year as there is only one triple a title out this year (god of war 3) and dont say gran turismo forever ooops i mean 5 because that will get delayed again
and if you can name one rpg on the ps3 thats better than fable 3 i will bid u a good day lmao and crackdown 2 is going to be amazing and apb is an online grand theft auto which will blow minds away as i got a hands on at real time worlds in dundee lol
and if you can name one rpg on the ps3 thats better than fable 3 i will bid u a good day lmao and crackdown 2 is going to be amazing and apb is an online grand theft auto which will blow minds away as i got a hands on at real time worlds in dundee lol
Fable 3 hasn't been released yet and next to nothing is known about it.
But any Final Fantasy fans disappointed with FF13 will be in anticipation of the exclusive FF Versus XIII. It has a great dev team behind it so is realy one to watch if you like RPGs, and should be due 2010.
I have the decency to say yes Mass Effect and Alan Wake look really good and if they were out on the Ps3 I would buy them. But the rest of your list not so good dorian not so good at all, escape from Monkey Island maybe 10 years ago!! I am biased towards the Ps3 but simply it has the better exclusive list and I am afraid that the 360 is dropping just like I predicted a long time ago but everyone disagreed! How wrong the doubters were!
Don't break out the party favours just yet. You may find it's a bit premature, especially in light of the fact that Xbox 360 is still ahead in sales by the millions.
As for games that I personally find appealing on the PS3 that would be "Infamous", "Uncharted 2" and probably some others too. I also happen to find the impotent chest beating and bald faced falsehoods MS, Sony and to a lesser extent Nintendo, fire off from time to time insulting to my intellect as a reader.
Fair enough, but the PC sales aren't really relevant. so, really, it's just selling the 2 ish million. Which is good, but hardly spectacular, not really worth making a huge fuss about. There'll be loads of games that achieve that this year.
If that does turn out to be the case then there's no need to mention them either following your own line of reasoning. Incidentally since all those other games have not even made a single solid sale yet they shouldn't even be thought of at all by that same token. Call me enthusiastic, but it seems an awfully dry methodology in which to approach the upcoming releases of various games. I do wonder whether "GT5"'s eventual sales will live up to the high sales expectations of various fans? I would be surprised if it doesn't sell well yet I very much doubt it will push anywhere near double digit millions.
Well, Prologue is the best selling PS3 game according to Wiki. Which is wrong, (COD4 and MW2 I believe have sold more) although it's certainly up there. Probably 3rd, which is 1 reason why people have high expectations for it. I didn't want everyone to back all their money against Mass Effect when it's not that big of a deal, I never claimed that these games were 'OMG HUUAAAGE PS3 GUNNA WIN THE WARZ!!'
I wasn't saying the games I mentioned earlier were going to be huge sellers, I was just making the point they'll cancel out any exclusives the 360 is dishing out this year. (Unless you can name some that I've yet to hear about?)
Ofcourse it wont push double digit millions, even MW2 isn't pushing double digit millions. This isn't the PS2.
to sweaty ballacks, alot is known about fable 3, you will take over as king and will decide how you rule the realm and it will have natal support and dlc, so its going to be natals mahjor realease game. and lwill it did seem like thats what you were saying and the 360 is in no form losing or dropping off the market and last year was a good year for bothe consoles but sonys major exclusive uncharted 2 was nearly doubled in sales by halo odst made and that was an expansion basically so i predict halo reach to sell well over 4 million, now i must get back to studying for my midterms lol
I have the decency to say yes Mass Effect and Alan Wake look really good and if they were out on the Ps3 I would buy them. But the rest of your list not so good dorian not so good at all, escape from Monkey Island maybe 10 years ago!! I am biased towards the Ps3 but simply it has the better exclusive list and I am afraid that the 360 is dropping just like I predicted a long time ago but everyone disagreed! How wrong the doubters were!
Don't break out the party favours just yet. You may find it's a bit premature, especially in light of the fact that Xbox 360 is still ahead in sales by the millions.
As for games that I personally find appealing on the PS3 that would be "Infamous", "Uncharted 2" and probably some others too. I also happen to find the impotent chest beating and bald faced falsehoods MS, Sony and to a lesser extent Nintendo, fire off from time to time insulting to my intellect as a reader.
Haha, yeah, if someone didn't like Uncharted, then sorry, they aren't a gamer. Just like Dead Rising. I'm SO glad that's releasing on PS3 (the new one. Gears is maybe the only 360 game I'm bitter about not being on the PS3. I hope that isn't an exclusive in the next generation. Or that I have the next xbox system.
epic games who make gears are owned by microsoft lol they also make shadow complex which is the best game on xbla better than anything on psn and thats not hard to do :L
Admittedly I've not played it, but I think it'd have to be amazing to be 'easily better' than Warhawk or Wipeout HD! They were both cracking games and easily could have sold at full game price.
I'm not going to wade into the PS3 vs 360 thing here, all I wanted to say is this: A few people are wondering just how close the figures VGCharts quote are. Well there are estimates untill NDP figures are released. NDP figures take around a month, so anything they quote which is older than a month (a games total sales for example) is spot on. This weeks charts are an estimate.
But to be fair to them, they are bloody excellent at their estimations. They were spot on predicting the PS3 xmas sales (these figures came out very quick offically), and their games sales figures are noramlly very close indeed.
becuase their method of prediction is so damn good, and they are normally spot on, this is why a lot of people take what they say as actual figures.
In terms of which Console has done the best compared to it's yearly average, it's undeniably Sony, followed by the wii and the 360 trailing by a not too distant 3rd. Although, I'd expect that, being as it's the oldest console of the bunch.
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. The hardware power etc have nothing to do with its generation its when it is sold and what it competes against. All in all great sales for all of them and plenty of good games to play on each, at the end of the day we're all the winners here whether you have one two or all three of them, we are spoiled for choice in great games to play and 2010 looks even better. Let the good time roll 
