Sony and Panasonic say they've developed a new optical disc evaluation technology that will allow the layer capacity of Blu-ray to grow from 25GB to 33.4GB using existing Blu-ray laser diodes.
Yes, we didn't quite catch that last bit either, but Blu-ray.com seems to know what it's talking about. Basically it means that more information could be crammed onto the already massive Blu-ray disc format.
Whether that means we'll get bigger, or more detailed, PS3 games, we'll have to wait and see. BR says there no word on "when or if the Blu-ray Disc Association will evaluate the proposed layer capacity increase for inclusion in the Blu-ray spec".
Apparently Sony and Panasonic say it will probably happen later this year and a firmware update is all that is needed for current Blu-ray players (including the PS3).
Maybe Peter Jackson will be able to get each Lord Of The Rings movie on its own Blu-ray disc now? Can't wait for that.
oh, so maybe even more PS3 loading times will be even worse than what they are now? this console is frustrating, like owning a Ferrari is a nice thing, but the boot space sucks!. for Sony 1st party games I'll keep buying games, but for multi platform titles I'll stick the Xbox 360 and Xbox Live.
Not a bad bit of tech engineering at all, if it's accurate information. Personally I already own the special all-three-in-one collector's edition of LoTR on multiple DVDs, so I don't plan on buying a BR version of it anytime soon. Realistically speaking I don't foresee myself embracing BR until my current up-scaling DVD player fizzles out and once BR prices come much closer to current DVD prices. Other opinions may differ and that's fine; it doesn't change my position on the matter.
Apollian24 Your a typical xbox hypocrite, what loading times are you on about that make you that disgruntled enough? better yet just disgruntled as a whole! talking out your bottom son!
Load time responses for these discs are gonna be even longer now...plus there'll probably be a little more HDD space used for installs now...brilliant idea...
Here's hoping the game companies can spbottom out all that data in an efficient way..."hoping" is the emphasis.
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WHAT?! Load times are maybe 10 seconds max? You're all off your rockers.
The one exception is Uncharted online. Which is god, bloody awful!
Besides, with the extra space, devs could actually copy the data onto the new space, allowing quicker load times. Although, I can't honestly believe many devs will need the extra space. Most of them are used to squeezing things onto the DVD, so, I'm sure none of them are having any problems fitting games onto a 50gb blu - ray disc.
It does annoy me, however, when you see all these films that come on 2/3 blu - rays. I'm sure they're doing it on purpose. what's wrong with 1!
Hmmm, I seem to recall Fallout 3 GOTY boasting itself on 1 Blu-Ray disc and look at the problems with that,no thanks,I'd rather have 2 discs and no freezing!!!!
WIIBOY RETURNS!! and seemingly by the fact that he was banned again yesterday on another account his name is as ludricous as his genrall mindset. keep up the awefull english and mindless comments!!
No Bamn no true gamer yaps on about oh my console is better than urs.True Gamers respect what each console has to offer,for me this news bring it on bring it on bring it on cant wait to see what can be possible with this space and the PS3 power 1st party designers get workin( and the odd few 3rd party)
Hmmm, I seem to recall Fallout 3 GOTY boasting itself on 1 Blu-Ray disc and look at the problems with that,no thanks,I'd rather have 2 discs and no freezing!!!!
I'm pretty sure that had f**k all to do with the blu - ray disc itself.
This just means more space for uncompressed sound and or video. Complainers complain just to have a gripe, what the hell does the xbox360 have to do with this? Ignorant games abound, Blu-Rays are mainly about uncompromising video and audio, just run one with full 7.1 Dolby Digital on a 46" LCD and you'll get what I'm saying. Beats the cruddy movie theaters any day.
WIIBOY RETURNS!! and seemingly by the fact that he was banned again yesterday on another account his name is as ludricous as his genrall mindset. keep up the awefull english and mindless comments!!
oh, so maybe even more PS3 loading times will be even worse than what they are now? this console is frustrating, like owning a Ferrari is a nice thing, but the boot space sucks!. for Sony 1st party games I'll keep buying games, but for multi platform titles I'll stick the Xbox 360 and Xbox Live.
Couldn't agree more. Multi-format games I get for Xbox as they are generally smoother than PS3 equivalent. Unless reviews say PS3 game substantially better, which isn't often, although Batman AA was virtually identical on both formats. I played Fallout 3 on PS3 and gave up cause of glitches, got it on Xbox instead. Generic PS3 games do show what PS3 CAN do though.
At this point in time it's pointless for PS3 in terms of gaming. No game has even come close to filling a dual layer 50GB Blu-ray. Most even write the game twice of the disc in order to try and cut down load times. What this will be handy for is films. Like mentioned, the odd 3 hour films will now be able to take full advantage of the Blu-ray format and othes will be able to cointain more extras, audio tracks and all that lark. Maybe next gen this will become handy for gaming, but not now.
Devs only copy certain parts over to increase the load time.
If they copied the game twice onto the same disc, it wouldn't increase load time at all.
It'll only scan parts with information on. So, if you just double everything, that just doubles the amount of stuff it has to scan. It'd literally be pointless.
JUST EXPECT EVEN LONGER LOADTIMES FROM NON GAME BLURAY
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Yay hopefully even better graphics? Not like the graphics r bad or anythin but at least PS4 will be held off for a while den.
I could be mistaken, however the professed increase in data storage capacity of BR will likely have little effect on the actual graphical quality of any PS3 games. The graphics are primarily determined by the GPU along with the onboard memory and to some extent CPU speed - the latter depends on how the developers have designed the game. What increased storage space does allow for are larger games of which one cause can be increased graphical fidelity, sound, images and videos, etc. run by the GPU et al.
loading times will improve over time, i remember the loading times on street fighter alpha 2 on the first playstion was really long, and when they released street fighter alpha 3 loading times was almost unnoticeable.
The proposed increase in capacity is something in response to the advent of 3D movies, as (tech-heads may know better) such 3d films require double the space of a normal high-def film because of er...I canna explain it, here:
...hazard a guess that it has something to do with adding 3D to discs.
This, according to the BDA's rules, would have to be done to a standard of 1080p to each eye, meaning two separate memory-sapping 1080p Full HD streams would have to be burned to each Blu-ray.
WHAT?! Load times are maybe 10 seconds max? You're all off your rockers.
The one exception is Uncharted online. Which is god, bloody awful!
Besides, with the extra space, devs could actually copy the data onto the new space, allowing quicker load times. Although, I can't honestly believe many devs will need the extra space. Most of them are used to squeezing things onto the DVD, so, I'm sure none of them are having any problems fitting games onto a 50gb blu - ray disc.
It does annoy me, however, when you see all these films that come on 2/3 blu - rays. I'm sure they're doing it on purpose. what's wrong with 1!
The new patch fixes online loading times. Get a clue noob To those saying that it will increase loading - How? Why? Will the levels be larger? Do you think they'll make them larger than 360's levels? Do you think they don't have enough room as it is? Quit posting trash, you moronic posters. If anything, this should be a plus.
Not sure why people are thinking that this new development is going to result in longer loading times. Just because there's extra space available doesn't mean devs will actually use all of it... there's not many games I can recall that have maxed out the current limit (MGS4?).
Hopefully this means when I buy a Blu-Ray film all the extras might actually be included on the disc rather than bunged onto an extra DVD (Hellboy 2, I'm looking at you).
Not sure why people are thinking that this new development is going to result in longer loading times. Just because there's extra space available doesn't mean devs will actually use all of it... there's not many games I can recall that have maxed out the current limit (MGS4?)
Because some people, no matter how "good" the news is will choose to see the negative because somehow they think an improved competition product to the one they own somehow affects them personally.
this is only for single layer though, dual layer discs offer up to 50gb already.
looks like they are looking to push the discs to store up to 1tb but i imagine this will be with lots of layers on one disc.
not sure how this will affect games though as making more content will be more costly, so perhaps all that could happen is high resolution textures and high quality sound.
Actually, load times should be shorter because the data will be more densely packed. Think of the loading time differences between PS2 games that came on CD (Half-Life, TimeSplitters) and those that came on DVD (TimeSplitters 2, GTA). The DVD games were considerably faster than the dreadfully slow CD games. For games, the additional space isn't necessary, all we might get is higher-qulaity music and sound. it's really for movies. I'd imagine, as 33.4GB of data per layer gives a nice 66.8GB per disc, a considerable increase, and much better for the likes of The Lord Of The Rings and films yet to be officially announced, such as the rumoured Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair. Though when I read the headline, I had hoped it would be the announcement of the much-fabled 100GB or 200GB discs (imagine an entire TV series on ONE DISC!)
Actually, load times should be shorter because the data will be more densely packed. Think of the loading time differences between PS2 games that came on CD (Half-Life, TimeSplitters) and those that came on DVD (TimeSplitters 2, GTA). The DVD games were considerably faster than the dreadfully slow CD games. For games, the additional space isn't necessary, all we might get is higher-qulaity music and sound. it's really for movies. I'd imagine, as 33.4GB of data per layer gives a nice 66.8GB per disc, a considerable increase, and much better for the likes of The Lord Of The Rings and films yet to be officially announced, such as the rumoured Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair. Though when I read the headline, I had hoped it would be the announcement of the much-fabled 100GB or 200GB discs (imagine an entire TV series on ONE DISC!)
Actually, load times should be shorter because the data will be more densely packed. Think of the loading time differences between PS2 games that came on CD (Half-Life, TimeSplitters) and those that came on DVD (TimeSplitters 2, GTA). The DVD games were considerably faster than the dreadfully slow CD games.
It's actually the complete opposite to being "densely packed". The larger the disc capacity, the slower it will be to read, so yes it will slow down in that respect compared with lower capacity discs. However, if you have a larger capacity you have the ability to use uncompressed assets, such as textures and audio. This means that there needs to be far less processing of this data before it gets to you and therefore sped up.
So, for example, if you had a game that filled a smaller disc (compressed) and a much bigger game, like a massive RPG which filled a larger compressed disc then the latter would indeed take longer to load because it would take longer for the reader to find what it's looking for. However, if you have a game that is compressed on a small disc, and the same game uncompressed on a larger disc the aggregate effect is that the latter of the two would load faster.
WHAT?! Load times are maybe 10 seconds max? You're all off your rockers.
The one exception is Uncharted online. Which is god, bloody awful!
Besides, with the extra space, devs could actually copy the data onto the new space, allowing quicker load times. Although, I can't honestly believe many devs will need the extra space. Most of them are used to squeezing things onto the DVD, so, I'm sure none of them are having any problems fitting games onto a 50gb blu - ray disc.
It does annoy me, however, when you see all these films that come on 2/3 blu - rays. I'm sure they're doing it on purpose. what's wrong with 1!
The new patch fixes online loading times. Get a clue noob To those saying that it will increase loading - How? Why? Will the levels be larger? Do you think they'll make them larger than 360's levels? Do you think they don't have enough room as it is? Quit posting trash, you moronic posters. If anything, this should be a plus.
The reason it'll make loading times supposedly longer (which I don't believe it will, well, not noticeably anyways), is, the more spce you have on a disc, the longer it takes to search. To patronise the hell out of you, you could compare it to losing your keys in the bathroom and losing your keys in the dining room. It's going to take you longer to find them in the dining room, because it's bigger. Well, that's the theory anyways.
I heard about that update, did it actually make much of a difference on Uncharted?
I'd rather have to occasionally wait for a few seconds than send off my console 1-2 times yearly for a minimum of a week!
One time I was waiting for nearly a month. Imagine my joy when I realised the console I'd waited a month for was a crappy refurb which wasn't in as good nick as the one I'd sent them and furthermore wouldn't play all of my games...
the lame backward restrictive ancient storage solution used in the 360... obviously.
I absolutely love my 360 and the games I have available for it and the games that are coming out for it. The PS3 serves me well as a bluray player but my 360 fulfills all my gaming needs.
When you try and use put-downs, do you honestly expect me to say "actually, even though I thought I was enjoying my games it turns out that you're right and I now don't like it as much"? What you say doesn't make me like my 360 any less, no matter how much you try.
I almost don't want to tell you this because you obviously enjoy thinking that it works and I don't want to spoil your fun.
I'd rather have to occasionally wait for a few seconds than wait on my console 1-2 hours to play my games
One time I was waiting for nearly a month. Imagine my joy when I realised the console I'd waited a month for was a crappy refurb which wasn't in as good nick as the one I'd played before it and furthermore wouldn't play all of my games...
Good news, if it's just a firmware update. Will there be a slight price rise to accommodate this, or not? I hope not. If the PS3 is used more as the lead console for development, then maybe the Blu Ray will be completely used for once. I can't remember 1 PS3 game that's filled the Blu Ray yet, despite Kojimas claims about MGS4.
@ 360 more reliable than PS3? That's a bit rich. The RROD is pathetic. The PS3 failure rate is very low indeed.
Yes get on there. Read and weap you xbot lowlifes!! ha hahahahahah
So you're proud of the fact that your beloved PS3 is just a fancy bluray player? Good effort
A fancy bluray player that is more reliable, more powerful, sexier, less-American, and has a better and more varied schedule of exclusives!
Havus thatus!
There are American things that I prefer over British things, and vice versa. Out of curiosity, do you suffer from a sense of national inferiority? As for being "sexier", hell, my LG LCD TV puts both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 (any version) to shame, IMO. As for power, my PC laughs at both consoles. BR? Ok, I don't have that capacity at present time yet then again I have little interest in it so I can live with that without feeling any great loss.
I'd rather have to occasionally wait for a few seconds than send off my console 1-2 times yearly for a minimum of a week!
One time I was waiting for nearly a month. Imagine my joy when I realised the console I'd waited a month for was a crappy refurb which wasn't in as good nick as the one I'd sent them and furthermore wouldn't play all of my games...
Scandalous!
Now that is unacceptable IMO. While it does little to change your experiences I have had no problems whatsoever with my Xbox 360 to date and it's been 8 months or so.
A fancy DVD player that is more reliable, more powerful, sexier, less-Japanese, and has a better and more varied schedule of exclusives!
Havus thatus!
Your comeback fails utterly, because the common perception in this country is that is far, far better for something to be Japanese than it is to be American.
Carry out a survey of the British population, asking which they consider to have the best quality, reliability, style, etc and I can guarantee you Japanese products will beat American products hands down.
Just compare a Toyota or a Honda car to a Ford. The Jap cars will last virtually forever, whereas the Ford will almost certainly require major repairs within two to three years!
As for power, my PC laughs at both consoles. BR? Ok, I don't have that capacity at present time yet then again I have little interest in it so I can live with that without feeling any great loss.
Indeed. In fact, I would argue that when it comes to multi-platform titles, neither the 360 nor the PS3 should ever enter into the equation. Any gamer worth his salt should go PC!
Loading speeds? Pah! Any decent PC optical drive will put the 360 and PS3's drives to shame, and if yours doesn't then simply go and buy yourself a better one! Better yet, once the game is installed grab yourself a no-DVD crack and do away with the need for the game disc altogether . (And BTW, blu-ray PC drives can currently be had for £45 - £50, and writeable blu-ray drivers aren't much more.)
Of course, with a PC you also get better graphics (or at least the potential for better graphics once you finally upgrade your five year old rig), and you save yourself at least a fiver per game. Plus, with 99% of PC games developed in the last few years supporting gamepads, and with the advent of HD TV, there's absolutely no reason a modern gamer cannot laze around his couch in front of his 50" plasma screen TV playing PC games if he so chooses!
I'd rather have to occasionally wait for a few seconds than send off my console 1-2 times yearly for a minimum of a week!
One time I was waiting for nearly a month. Imagine my joy when I realised the console I'd waited a month for was a crappy refurb which wasn't in as good nick as the one I'd sent them and furthermore wouldn't play all of my games...
Scandalous!
Now that is unacceptable IMO. While it does little to change your experiences I have had no problems whatsoever with my Xbox 360 to date and it's been 8 months or so.
I think most people think it is a troll tale yet it really did happen to me!
I was utterly livid for about a week! I'd taken such good care of my launch Premium that when I got a turkey it really didn't feel like christmas...
Strangely one of the most annoying things was that the disc-open button was a tiny bit wobbly. It worked and everything but I was just so vexed. Due to me having got a remote with my launch console I had very rarely pressed the disc button and it had resultingly been as crisp as a twiglet.
It might sound like a petty quibble but when I'd paid £425 for a launch model and then got sent some grubby refurb with wobbly buttons I was utterly livid. Fast and furious was my response to Microsoft!
I'd rather have to occasionally wait for a few seconds than send off my console 1-2 times yearly for a minimum of a week!
One time I was waiting for nearly a month. Imagine my joy when I realised the console I'd waited a month for was a crappy refurb which wasn't in as good nick as the one I'd sent them and furthermore wouldn't play all of my games...
Scandalous!
Now that is unacceptable IMO. While it does little to change your experiences I have had no problems whatsoever with my Xbox 360 to date and it's been 8 months or so.
I think most people think it is a troll tale yet it really did happen to me!
I was utterly livid for about a week! I'd taken such good care of my launch Premium that when I got a turkey it really didn't feel like christmas...
Strangely one of the most annoying things was that the disc-open button was a tiny bit wobbly. It worked and everything but I was just so vexed. Due to me having got a remote with my launch console I had very rarely pressed the disc button and it had resultingly been as crisp as a twiglet.
It might sound like a petty quibble but when I'd paid £425 for a launch model and then got sent some grubby refurb with wobbly buttons I was utterly livid. Fast and furious was my response to Microsoft!
Thankfully no disc-tray buttons on the PS3, eh...
I would likely have been livid as well, were I in a similar situation.
As for disc-tray buttons, that changed with the introduction of the PS3 slim, remember? Some people apparently prefer it to the touch sensitive "buttons" on the "fat" PS3 models. True, you simply insert the disc with the PS3, but buttons there are (at least on the slim versions)!
looks like they are looking to push the discs to store up to 1tb but i imagine this will be with lots of layers on one disc.
There already are 1tb discs out there but they arent blu-ray (actually these were shown b4 blu-ray was released!) and it's just prototype stuff now. 5 years is when we will prob see them.
at all of you moaning about load times. If there's more data then of course it's going to take longer to read all of it, but loading can be done in a variety of ways... It's not as though the whole disc has to be read in all at once!
The CELL’s I/O interface 1 to South bridge allows for very fast, simultaneous data transfer. Thanks to the PS3’s 2GB of HDD system cache, data can be streamed direct to memory from a Blu-ray disc AND from the HDD based system cache simultaneously. A decent chunk of game data, level data, texture data (or whatever) can be dumped to the PS3 HDD system cache during boot up, cut-scenes, during game play, etc.
The 2GB of HDD based system cache is over 1/4 of the DVD capacity available to the XBox 360 (approx 7GB after mandatory X360 DVD system data accounted for). A PS3’s HDD can stream textures and / or game data faster than even the X360 can stream data from the DVD drive.
With special thanks to the HDD (& more HDD space now with the PS3 slim) and the fairly recent EDGE PS3 SDK, the PS3 is now ahead of the X360 in everything with the exception of GPU.
Put simply, the Xenos GPU is the ONLY place the X360 can claim to have better technology. More vertices, more transparent alpha textures, a unified shader model and has the eDRAM to secure a better frame rate. The PS3 has reserved pixel shaders and so can deliver better looking texture lighting & filtering than an X360 version of a game trying to max out a higher number of vertices. The PS3 version is forced to cut back on vertices but if a dev makes better use of it's pixel shaders it can deliver higher quality lighting and in that way - "better graphics". The X360 is the more flexible of the two & it has more grunt. The CELL and it's SPE's also come into the equation somewhere, but anyway, that's not what this article is about...
In summary, offering another 8+ GB more space per Blu-ray is a good thing.
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That's a bit rich. The RROD is pathetic. The PS3 failure rate is very low indeed.
