Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer and Entertainment & Devices President Robbie Bach have taken to the stage at the Consumer Electronics Show and reported that there are there are now over 39 million Xbox 360 consoles around the world.
Other facts released in Las Vegas include news that more than 500 million games have been sold. "Between Christmas and New Years Day, Xbox Live experienced its busiest week ever, adding a new member every second and a record of more than 2.2 million concurrent members online," said Ballmer.
"Nearly 10 million people have logged into Xbox Live's nongaming applications - Facebook, Twitter, Netflix, Last.fm, Sky, Canal and Zune - using their Xbox as a way to stay connected to friends and family."
The company added that Xbox Live membership is now at over 20 million people.
Well done to MS here. 39M is a significant improvement on the original XBox.
2010 will be even more challenging for Microsoft with Sony's 3D, motion controller, PS3 firmware, PSN and gaming announcements though. One might wonder whether Microsoft should announce the XBox 3 at E3 this year. It would certainly be a better bet than Natal is going to be.
The subscription fee will have to disappear at some point. It makes me wonder if there's a figure written down somewhere at Sony and they're waiting to have a specific number of installed users before they introduce the same thing. It wouldn't surprise me.
Who'd have guessed that gamers would pay for something that had been totally free for years. Microsoft, I suppose!
I can imagine in future that as many people will give up gaming because of the cost as they do because of their age and have outgrown it. I don't think I'm the outgrowing kind. As far as cost is concerned, if the console makers get too greedy, they'll eventually turn PC gaming into the cheaper option. And Microsoft would still continue to do well... if it's not their online gaming tax, it's their operating system tax.
I think the gaming industry needs more competition. While new businesses will inevitably want our money too, it could reduce the cost of gaming and end up giving us all a better service. At least the most important aspect, the actual games themselves are in a healthy state.
@ JensonJet. XBL subs fee will never be dropped (to zero). Even Sony are going to start charging for certain new services whilst still keeping the current feature set free. Microsoft could always restructure their fees, but I doubt it because they host game servers themselves.
Well done to MS here. 39M is a significant improvement on the original XBox.
2010 will be even more challenging for Microsoft with Sony's 3D, motion controller, PS3 firmware, PSN and gaming announcements though. One might wonder whether Microsoft should announce the XBox 3 at E3 this year. It would certainly be a better bet than Natal is going to be.
Sony has played its best hand last year with a couple of follow ups to average games and a long overdue price cut. Since when do sony have suprise announcments. We know what is coming from sony and if it wasn't for modern warfare 2 you would have had them already. Maybe not gran turismo 5. Even the fanboys on this site are raving about the non gaming stuff that the ps3 has on offer over the games. 09 was the year of the ps3 I will admit, but it has peaked. 360 will not loose another year to ps3.
Killzone 2 proved to be a masterstroke and thee best exclusive FPS of the year and its first entry this generation.
Infamous managed to exceed expectations by becoming one of the best super hero games made.
Uncharted 2 proved better online and offline than any Xbox 360 third person shooter.
I imported the English version of D. Souls and never play a more challenging re-playable game and its originality online is nothing short of genius.
I want to ask is where the heck were all the Xbox 360 games???
1 decent title around Christmas, Forza. Then we had an online only game L4D2 and an extension ODST then downloadable GTA4 content. Where are all the games MS???
I think the sales hikes are prove that aiming your content at 12 year old boys pays off, and parents will always buy cheaper machines.
Not loose another year??? Heavy Rain, Grand Turismo 5, God of War 3, Mod Nation, Final Fantasy Online, Final Fantasy Verses, White Knight Chronicles, Yakuza incoming
What a shame its come down to this. If you compair what MS are saying to the NDP data, then something is clearly wrong. Because the figures MS are quoting would mean they have sold around 6 million units in about a month. Now considering they are selling fewer hardware units than Nintnedo or Sony, this story starts to smell a bit fishy. Then you read the "39 million 360's in the world" and you can see what MS have done, they are using the shipped figures. A console is shipped from MS to the retailer and that counts as a shipped unit, but until a consumer buys it, its not sold. This to me looks like desperation from a share holder point of view. Keep looking at the NDP data and you'll see why.
Sony have overtaken Microsoft in EVERY region now apart from America, so MS don't want that to affect their share holder price so statments like this need to be handed out. This to me is the lowest of the low, this is worse then making silly claims that a game can only run on your system becuase of some stupid lighting thats has been out for years.
I'm on my third xbox, (elite died 2 weeks before christmas) and all three were new purchases. Anyone who says I've only got myself to blame can cram it. With 50+ games I'd be stupid not to get a new one. (And yes yes i've got a PS3 already.)
Back to the point, from the group of friends who are regular xboxlivers we have between the 7 of us been through 22 xboxes, 11 of which have been bought new. So in theory our stats would dictate that the 39 million sold would result in 18.5 million in use.
I love the games on my little box of degeneration but the chest beating on sales is something they should shy away from.
Not surprised about these sales figures. How many customers had to buy a new one because the old one died out of warranty? I bet its a lot.
My 360 is more than a year old, got RROD, and was repaired for free and returned within a week. I wonder how many PS3s which broke down after a year got repaired for free? Oh that's right, none.
I know which manufacturer I would recommend to my friends.
MS hand was forced and they offered this rather decent policy simply because 50% of their machines encountered RROD.
The YLOD only occurred on a small fraction of PS3's and Sony's tech continues to be more reliable, uses less power and makes less noise and is all inclusive with the power brick built inside, a blu ray drive built inside, a wi-fi device built inside. On a hardware side of things PS3 trumps Xbox 360.
And Xbox 360 failure rates show as being astronomically high until better models were released recently (years later).
I wonder how many PS3s which broke down after a year got repaired for free? Oh that's right, none.
I know which manufacturer I would recommend to my friends.
My hat goes off to you sir, that is a true fan boy statment! So that fact that MS has a hardware failure of around 50% compaired to Sony's 7% didn't even enter your brain when you wrote that statment speaks for itself!
I wonder how many PS3s which broke down after a year got repaired for free? Oh that's right, none.
I know which manufacturer I would recommend to my friends.
My hat goes off to you sir, that is a true fan boy statment! So that fact that MS has a hardware failure of around 50% compaired to Sony's 7% didn't even enter your brain when you wrote that statment speaks for itself!
Seconded!
The only reason for the warranty extension is the utterly shodtastic quality!
It's like saying that the local KFC is better than a slap-up restaurant because they had to offer me more medical care after eating there and getting food-poisoning...
I wonder how many PS3s which broke down after a year got repaired for free? Oh that's right, none.
I know which manufacturer I would recommend to my friends.
My hat goes off to you sir, that is a true fan boy statment! So that fact that MS has a hardware failure of around 50% compaired to Sony's 7% didn't even enter your brain when you wrote that statment speaks for itself!
Given the large number of grey hairs I've got, I would prefer the term 'Fan bloke' or perhaps even just 'Fan'. I really am not bothered about sales or failure percentages, I only care about what effects me when something goes wrong. All electrical devices will die eventually. My washing machine required a paid repair. My broken dvd player had to be replaced by buying a new one. My broken xbox got repaired for free. That makes me happy. That is all.
I wonder how many PS3s which broke down after a year got repaired for free? Oh that's right, none.
I know which manufacturer I would recommend to my friends.
My hat goes off to you sir, that is a true fan boy statment! So that fact that MS has a hardware failure of around 50% compaired to Sony's 7% didn't even enter your brain when you wrote that statment speaks for itself!
Given the large number of grey hairs I've got, I would prefer the term 'Fan bloke' or perhaps even just 'Fan'. I really am not bothered about sales or failure percentages, I only care about what effects me when something goes wrong. All electrical devices will die eventually. My washing machine required a paid repair. My broken dvd player had to be replaced by buying a new one. My broken xbox got repaired for free. That makes me happy. That is all.
so your beef is with all paid repaired hardware not just the ps3?! yet you still act like a 16 year old fan boy about it! is your washing machine a bosch? thinkin of going to hoover or indecit next? only reason M$ do it for free was because they almost got sued for it, not enough ps3's breaks to cause a day out in court
Killzone 2 proved to be a masterstroke and thee best exclusive FPS of the year and its first entry this generation.
Infamous managed to exceed expectations by becoming one of the best super hero games made.
Uncharted 2 proved better online and offline than any Xbox 360 third person shooter.
I imported the English version of D. Souls and never play a more challenging re-playable game and its originality online is nothing short of genius.
I want to ask is where the heck were all the Xbox 360 games???
1 decent title around Christmas, Forza. Then we had an online only game L4D2 and an extension ODST then downloadable GTA4 content. Where are all the games MS???
I think the sales hikes are prove that aiming your content at 12 year old boys pays off, and parents will always buy cheaper machines.
Not loose another year??? Heavy Rain, Grand Turismo 5, God of War 3, Mod Nation, Final Fantasy Online, Final Fantasy Verses, White Knight Chronicles, Yakuza incoming
I said the originals were average. Don't think anyone can argue with that. As for the games you mention GT5 like forza 3 will not appeal to many and will not be a huge seller, god of war 3 should have come out before bayonetta and darksiders because now people will be sick of hack and slash, mod nation - you serious?, rest of them will be popular in japan maybe but not in the western world. Couple from the 360 line up. Halo reach, not my thing but it will be the highest selling game of all time. Alan wake, people have been hanging out for this for years. Splinter cell conviction, will be awsome. Mass effect 2, speaks for itself I think. Crackdown 2, will be huge. Dead rising 2 is also looking awsome. Thats not to mention the games that ms has not mentioned yet, but always keep things close to their chest along with natal and all the games to go with that, I think ms will hold its own this year.
Good news for MS. I think it was an analyst who stated that their target for this gen, should be around the 50 million mark.
Despite Aaron Greenberg stating they want to "win" this gen, I think that will be a satisfactory goal for them, looking at how the last gen went and most "experts" placing them in distant last place by Xmas '09.
Although it looks like they'll be able surpass that easily by the time they ship the new Xbox.
I wonder how many PS3s which broke down after a year got repaired for free? Oh that's right, none.
I know which manufacturer I would recommend to my friends.
My hat goes off to you sir, that is a true fan boy statment! So that fact that MS has a hardware failure of around 50% compaired to Sony's 7% didn't even enter your brain when you wrote that statment speaks for itself!
Given the large number of grey hairs I've got, I would prefer the term 'Fan bloke' or perhaps even just 'Fan'. I really am not bothered about sales or failure percentages, I only care about what effects me when something goes wrong. All electrical devices will die eventually. My washing machine required a paid repair. My broken dvd player had to be replaced by buying a new one. My broken xbox got repaired for free. That makes me happy. That is all.
so your beef is with all paid repaired hardware not just the ps3?! yet you still act like a 16 year old fan boy about it! is your washing machine a bosch? thinkin of going to hoover or indecit next? only reason M$ do it for free was because they almost got sued for it, not enough ps3's breaks to cause a day out in court
Well done to MS, it's good finally Sony have some stiff competition, but I am personally getting bored of Live and I won't be paying for it any longer. Why? Well I'm a PC gamer at heart and there is plenty coming out on PC to keep me entertained, the only thing I'll miss on XBLA is BF1943.
This also means my PS3 may get some solid use online this year. I'm starting to warm to PSN even if it is inferior to Live.
I'm going to have to quote myself here, becuase people are actually beliving this story! MS have not sold 39million Units. They have Shipped 39million units. Out of that 39million, 35 million are actually sold to the consumer.
What a shame its come down to this. If you compair what MS are saying to the NDP data, then something is clearly wrong. Because the figures MS are quoting would mean they have sold around 6 million units in about a month. Now considering they are selling fewer hardware units than Nintnedo or Sony, this story starts to smell a bit fishy. Then you read the "39 million 360's in the world" and you can see what MS have done, they are using the shipped figures. A console is shipped from MS to the retailer and that counts as a shipped unit, but until a consumer buys it, its not sold. This to me looks like desperation from a share holder point of view. Keep looking at the NDP data and you'll see why.
Sony have overtaken Microsoft in EVERY region now apart from America, so MS don't want that to affect their share holder price so statments like this need to be handed out. This to me is the lowest of the low, this is worse then making silly claims that a game can only run on your system becuase of some stupid lighting thats has been out for years.
I'm going to have to quote myself here, becuase people are actually beliving this story! MS have not sold 39million Units. They have Shipped 39million units. Out of that 39million, 35 million are actually sold to the consumer.
What a shame its come down to this. If you compair what MS are saying to the NDP data, then something is clearly wrong. Because the figures MS are quoting would mean they have sold around 6 million units in about a month. Now considering they are selling fewer hardware units than Nintnedo or Sony, this story starts to smell a bit fishy. Then you read the "39 million 360's in the world" and you can see what MS have done, they are using the shipped figures. A console is shipped from MS to the retailer and that counts as a shipped unit, but until a consumer buys it, its not sold. This to me looks like desperation from a share holder point of view. Keep looking at the NDP data and you'll see why.
Sony have overtaken Microsoft in EVERY region now apart from America, so MS don't want that to affect their share holder price so statments like this need to be handed out. This to me is the lowest of the low, this is worse then making silly claims that a game can only run on your system becuase of some stupid lighting thats has been out for years.
I'm going to have to quote myself here, becuase people are actually beliving this story! MS have not sold 39million Units. They have Shipped 39million units. Out of that 39million, 35 million are actually sold to the consumer.
What a shame its come down to this. If you compair what MS are saying to the NDP data, then something is clearly wrong. Because the figures MS are quoting would mean they have sold around 6 million units in about a month. Now considering they are selling fewer hardware units than Nintnedo or Sony, this story starts to smell a bit fishy. Then you read the "39 million 360's in the world" and you can see what MS have done, they are using the shipped figures. A console is shipped from MS to the retailer and that counts as a shipped unit, but until a consumer buys it, its not sold. This to me looks like desperation from a share holder point of view. Keep looking at the NDP data and you'll see why.
Sony have overtaken Microsoft in EVERY region now apart from America, so MS don't want that to affect their share holder price so statments like this need to be handed out. This to me is the lowest of the low, this is worse then making silly claims that a game can only run on your system becuase of some stupid lighting thats has been out for years.
Great argument there mate, well thought out and packed with actual facts.
I'm going to have to quote myself here, becuase people are actually beliving this story! MS have not sold 39million Units. They have Shipped 39million units. Out of that 39million, 35 million are actually sold to the consumer.
What a shame its come down to this. If you compair what MS are saying to the NDP data, then something is clearly wrong. Because the figures MS are quoting would mean they have sold around 6 million units in about a month. Now considering they are selling fewer hardware units than Nintnedo or Sony, this story starts to smell a bit fishy. Then you read the "39 million 360's in the world" and you can see what MS have done, they are using the shipped figures. A console is shipped from MS to the retailer and that counts as a shipped unit, but until a consumer buys it, its not sold. This to me looks like desperation from a share holder point of view. Keep looking at the NDP data and you'll see why.
Sony have overtaken Microsoft in EVERY region now apart from America, so MS don't want that to affect their share holder price so statments like this need to be handed out. This to me is the lowest of the low, this is worse then making silly claims that a game can only run on your system becuase of some stupid lighting thats has been out for years.
Great argument there mate, well thought out and packed with actual facts.
Im afraid im with Mantis here , and I dont normally use that emoticon. To actually highlight a post you had already made is pretty crazy. You must really really really really care, would you like a hankie?
I'm going to have to quote myself here, becuase people are actually beliving this story! MS have not sold 39million Units. They have Shipped 39million units. Out of that 39million, 35 million are actually sold to the consumer.
What a shame its come down to this. If you compair what MS are saying to the NDP data, then something is clearly wrong. Because the figures MS are quoting would mean they have sold around 6 million units in about a month. Now considering they are selling fewer hardware units than Nintnedo or Sony, this story starts to smell a bit fishy. Then you read the "39 million 360's in the world" and you can see what MS have done, they are using the shipped figures. A console is shipped from MS to the retailer and that counts as a shipped unit, but until a consumer buys it, its not sold. This to me looks like desperation from a share holder point of view. Keep looking at the NDP data and you'll see why.
Sony have overtaken Microsoft in EVERY region now apart from America, so MS don't want that to affect their share holder price so statments like this need to be handed out. This to me is the lowest of the low, this is worse then making silly claims that a game can only run on your system becuase of some stupid lighting thats has been out for years.
Great argument there mate, well thought out and packed with actual facts.
Im afraid im with Mantis here , and I dont normally use that emoticon. To actually highlight a post you had already made is pretty crazy. You must really really really really care, would you like a hankie?
Exactly!
The fact that he's too dim-witted to realise that, goes to show he's truly a veteran of this "PS3/360 war" and takes it WAY too seriously!
The fact that he's too dim-witted to realise that, goes to show he's truly a veteran of this "PS3/360 war" and takes it WAY too seriously!
No I thought the reason might be clear enough but it seems not, so I'll spell it out for you.
The sheer amount of posts in this topic which contain something closely looking like "Great numbers, well done MS" is the majority. So I'm trying to point out that this is a lie and the facts are out there for people to go and see it for themselves. I did post already, but still mores posts giving 'gratz' to MS are coming.
It makes me sad that people will just take whatever they are feed and wont question it. And yeah I do give a f**k about it, becuase sitting back and just watching people get more and more ignorant may be fine for you, but it p**ses me off. Even worse though is people like you who show apathy to ignorance.
Well have you seen how cheap they are selling the console for now?
There was that bombastic deal in GAME: a 360 and 2 games for...wait for it...£100!!!! It can't get any cheaper
So these world-wide 'shipped' figures are about the maximum the 360 will get until maybe COD: MW3 comes out the end of this year.
As we all know 360 Natal will be more expensive, so sales will very likely slow down, unless they have the 360 Natal's going for around the £100 mark
Actually, Amazon were doing an even better deal the other day - £109 with 2 games, but you could choose from the likes of FIFA 10 etc. Pretty damn good, if you ask me.
As for this story - honestly, does anyone really care?....there's only one 360 that I care about and that's the one I bought.
The fact that he's too dim-witted to realise that, goes to show he's truly a veteran of this "PS3/360 war" and takes it WAY too seriously!
No I thought the reason might be clear enough but it seems not, so I'll spell it out for you.
The sheer amount of posts in this topic which contain something closely looking like "Great numbers, well done MS" is the majority. So I'm trying to point out that this is a lie and the facts are out there for people to go and see it for themselves. I did post already, but still mores posts giving 'gratz' to MS are coming.
It makes me sad that people will just take whatever they are feed and wont question it. And yeah I do give a f**k about it, becuase sitting back and just watching people get more and more ignorant may be fine for you, but it p**ses me off. Even worse though is people like you who show apathy to ignorance.
It appears we have an industry analyst in our midst. Tell me, according to your high standards what would you deem to be an acceptable number sold before anyone is allowed to congratulate MS for doing well?
Or maybe you could just accept that the console is selling nicely and get on with your life.
Only_777, do you also think that Sony sold all of the 3.8million that they are quoting they sold over December? Or are you missing the point where they say shipped as well? But more to the point, why do you care?
All companies will list the best figures they can for their shareholders, as it looks better for them, sold to retailers are still sales in their eyes. They couldn’t give a s**t what you, or any of the other sad little f**ks that argue continuously about this on the internet, care about.
The fact that he's too dim-witted to realise that, goes to show he's truly a veteran of this "PS3/360 war" and takes it WAY too seriously!
No I thought the reason might be clear enough but it seems not, so I'll spell it out for you.
The sheer amount of posts in this topic which contain something closely looking like "Great numbers, well done MS" is the majority. So I'm trying to point out that this is a lie and the facts are out there for people to go and see it for themselves. I did post already, but still mores posts giving 'gratz' to MS are coming.
It makes me sad that people will just take whatever they are feed and wont question it. And yeah I do give a f**k about it, becuase sitting back and just watching people get more and more ignorant may be fine for you, but it p**ses me off. Even worse though is people like you who show apathy to ignorance.
My apathy depends on the ignorance being displayed. These are console sales figures, obviously I don't really care. All of the big three do it, so why are you so up in arms about this story?
who said you cant continue gaming because they never sold as much as the ps3?
of course you can. but its not what were talking about.
your defending an arguement with something completely different. just like the arguement yesterday that your "enjoyment" of the machine negates all of its downfalls.
who said you cant continue gaming because they never sold as much as the ps3?
of course you can. but its not what were talking about.
your defending an arguement with something completely different. just like the arguement yesterday that your "enjoyment" of the machine negates all of its downfalls.
Exactly. It's almost as pointless coming in here and slagging off this lack of detail for these numbers. Is it really that important to you? If it is it's quite pathetic, if not then why the hell are we even having this conversation?
It appears we have an industry analyst in our midst. Tell me, according to your high standards what would you deem to be an acceptable number sold before anyone is allowed to congratulate MS for doing well?
Or maybe you could just accept that the console is selling nicely and get on with your life.
You are a mile away from my whole point. Well done MS you sold 35 million units, it is a great figure - but don't post shipped figures and let people belive that these are sales figures.
I don't care about the figures, I don't care who sold what, I just get p**sed off when other people act like sheep.
This is no different to the rubbish Sony came up with the other day about GOW3 only being possable on the PS3. People might as well belive that too, just go ahead and belive anything MS, Sony, Nintendo, hell why not belive the claims made by onlive while your at it.
who said you cant continue gaming because they never sold as much as the ps3?
of course you can. but its not what were talking about.
your defending an arguement with something completely different. just like the arguement yesterday that your "enjoyment" of the machine negates all of its downfalls.
Exactly. It's almost as pointless coming in here and slagging off this lack of detail for these numbers. Is it really that important to you? If it is it's quite pathetic, if not then why the hell are we even having this conversation?
no, its not.
im talking on topic. youre talking crap.
if you dont want to talk about 360 sales then youre in the wrong thread.
who said you cant continue gaming because they never sold as much as the ps3?
of course you can. but its not what were talking about.
your defending an arguement with something completely different. just like the arguement yesterday that your "enjoyment" of the machine negates all of its downfalls.
Exactly. It's almost as pointless coming in here and slagging off this lack of detail for these numbers. Is it really that important to you? If it is it's quite pathetic, if not then why the hell are we even having this conversation?
no, its not.
im talking on topic. youre talking crap.
if you dont want to talk about 360 sales then youre in the wrong thread.
Oh, because you've never been known to drag a thread off-topic before...
who said you cant continue gaming because they never sold as much as the ps3?
of course you can. but its not what were talking about.
your defending an arguement with something completely different. just like the arguement yesterday that your "enjoyment" of the machine negates all of its downfalls.
Exactly. It's almost as pointless coming in here and slagging off this lack of detail for these numbers. Is it really that important to you? If it is it's quite pathetic, if not then why the hell are we even having this conversation?
no, its not.
im talking on topic. youre talking crap.
if you dont want to talk about 360 sales then youre in the wrong thread.
Oh, because you've never been known to drag a thread off-topic before...
who said you cant continue gaming because they never sold as much as the ps3?
of course you can. but its not what were talking about.
your defending an arguement with something completely different. just like the arguement yesterday that your "enjoyment" of the machine negates all of its downfalls.
Exactly. It's almost as pointless coming in here and slagging off this lack of detail for these numbers. Is it really that important to you? If it is it's quite pathetic, if not then why the hell are we even having this conversation?
no, its not.
im talking on topic. youre talking crap.
if you dont want to talk about 360 sales then youre in the wrong thread.
Oh, because you've never been known to drag a thread off-topic before...
who said you cant continue gaming because they never sold as much as the ps3?
of course you can. but its not what were talking about.
your defending an arguement with something completely different. just like the arguement yesterday that your "enjoyment" of the machine negates all of its downfalls.
Exactly. It's almost as pointless coming in here and slagging off this lack of detail for these numbers. Is it really that important to you? If it is it's quite pathetic, if not then why the hell are we even having this conversation?
no, its not.
im talking on topic. youre talking crap.
if you dont want to talk about 360 sales then youre in the wrong thread.
Oh, because you've never been known to drag a thread off-topic before...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXf0yIRcdnI
That's not on topic.
thats dire.
it was an apt reply to YOUR off topic shenanigans.
well the last time MS released figures later than Sony, which was after thanksgiving, or whatever it's called, they beat Sony's figures so i wouldn't read anything in to them not releasing the christmas ones just yet.
who said you cant continue gaming because they never sold as much as the ps3?
of course you can. but its not what were talking about.
your defending an arguement with something completely different. just like the arguement yesterday that your "enjoyment" of the machine negates all of its downfalls.
Exactly. It's almost as pointless coming in here and slagging off this lack of detail for these numbers. Is it really that important to you? If it is it's quite pathetic, if not then why the hell are we even having this conversation?
no, its not.
im talking on topic. youre talking crap.
if you dont want to talk about 360 sales then youre in the wrong thread.
Oh, because you've never been known to drag a thread off-topic before...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXf0yIRcdnI
That's not on topic.
thats dire.
it was an apt reply to YOUR off topic shenanigans.
Shock and indeed horror, it's a new year but Starsail returns with his list of games... Please stop dude, you are boring us to tears. Perhaps learn a new trick for 2010? Go on, treat yourself.
Who'd have guessed that gamers would pay for something that had been totally free for years. Microsoft, I suppose!
Live is much more than just playing online. I don't mind a small subscription fee (funny how it's the PS3 owners who harp on about the annual fee, not the 360 guys and girls, isn't it?), but you can't say there is anything like Live anywhere else, now or ever. It is head and shoulders above the competition, and it should be, this sort of thing is Microsofts bread and butter.
I find it really amusing that people are going on about the fact that these are shipped figures.
That is industry practice. Once MS, Sony and Nintendo sell to wholesale it means they had an order for them. They sold it, they got paid for it and as far as they are concerned it's a sale.
They all do it. Sony have always done it, so shut up about it. It's normal.
Shock and indeed horror, it's a new year but Starsail returns with his list of games... Please stop dude, you are boring us to tears. Perhaps learn a new trick for 2010? Go on, treat yourself.
Who'd have guessed that gamers would pay for something that had been totally free for years. Microsoft, I suppose!
Live is much more than just playing online. I don't mind a small subscription fee (funny how it's the PS3 owners who harp on about the annual fee, not the 360 guys and girls, isn't it?), but you can't say there is anything like Live anywhere else, now or ever. It is head and shoulders above the competition, and it should be, this sort of thing is Microsofts bread and butter.
theres nothing like LIVE now or ever?? ...err, dont cream your pants mate.
PSN is a few features away from being the same thing and the PC has had gaming communities for years that outclass it.
i forgot LIVE was just all about adding people you dont know and calling them 'friends'... PC communities are built around the games themselves.
I always take these stories with a pinch of salt, but it is quite an impressive total when you consider how little the original Xbox sold in comparison. The only way Microsoft can truly say they've done the job is if they crack Japan, which I highly doubt ever happening.
Off topic, I actually don't mind paying £40 a year for Xbox Live. No-one ever seems to complain paying over the odds for a Sky subscription. As long as Live remains (IMO) value for money I'll be first in line with my 40 bar.
I find it really amusing that people are going on about the fact that these are shipped figures.
That is industry practice. Once MS, Sony and Nintendo sell to wholesale it means they had an order for them. They sold it, they got paid for it and as far as they are concerned it's a sale.
They all do it. Sony have always done it, so shut up about it. It's normal.
Nintendo generally quote real figures though. As in sales to customers. Sony and M$hite are the spinners. And just to be a numbers noob, NSMB Wii is closing in on 10 million already (globally). Not far behind MW 2 now, eh?
FlimFlam wrote: Shock and indeed horror, it's a new year but Starsail returns with his list of games... Please stop dude, you are boring us to tears. Perhaps learn a new trick for 2010? Go on, treat yourself.
Quote: Who'd have guessed that gamers would pay for something that had been totally free for years. Microsoft, I suppose!
Live is much more than just playing online. I don't mind a small subscription fee (funny how it's the PS3 owners who harp on about the annual fee, not the 360 guys and girls, isn't it?), but you can't say there is anything like Live anywhere else, now or ever. It is head and shoulders above the competition, and it should be, this sort of thing is Microsofts bread and butter.
theres nothing like LIVE now or ever?? ...err, dont cream your pants mate.
PSN is a few features away from being the same thing and the PC has had gaming communities for years that outclass it.
i forgot LIVE was just all about adding people you dont know and calling them 'friends'... PC communities are built around the games themselves.
Yeah, if you had read what I was responding to, you would know that 'now or ever' means up until this point. As you acknowledge that PSN 'is a few features away' from being the same, then that would be an agreement, no?
So, less 'creaming my pants' (one day you will be able to refrain from making your arguments so... Childish. Maybe. Perhaps you could learn a new trick for 2010 too? Push the boat out a little?) and more just stating a fact, one you seem to agree with.
LIVE is all about 'adding people you dont know and calling them 'friends'? WTF are you on about? By the very virtue of online communities, doesn't EVERY platform rely on players meeting though the games? How is Live different from PSN for instance? Or PC? The point itself also seems a little vague... I dunno SVD, sometimes it's like you think of something, and then automatically try to shoehorn it into an anti-Xbox argument. Amusing, but not in the way you think.
the web is riddled with free online communties with the features of LIVE...
so what are you paying for? what is this 'much more than playing games' that it offers?!
i dont think im missing anything, your just hyping it up to justify shelling out for it.
As someone who has all three consoles and plays a lot of online games. Live is still the best system. People say PSN is a few features behind, but that isn't true.
PSN is awkward to use and that is its current failing. The reason why Live works so well is that it is built into the interface of the console so well. Everything I need to do, invite, chat, message etc has been there since day one, works for any game and is just so simple and quick to use. It's far easier for me to arrange a game with friends and if I get an invite I see the message pop up instantly, on PSN I can go three or four days and then realise that I got a message from someone.
Live is better, at present anyway. It's the fact that everything you need to do is done from the same interface whatever the game. Just basics in my view, something Sony can copy. But you can guarantee that Sony will start charging for PSN one way or another. Why should you get it all for free and for £30 a year, which is what I pay for Xbox Live I have no complaints whatsoever.
I'm going to have to quote myself here, becuase people are actually beliving this story! MS have not sold 39million Units. They have Shipped 39million units. Out of that 39million, 35 million are actually sold to the consumer.
What a shame its come down to this. If you compair what MS are saying to the NDP data, then something is clearly wrong. Because the figures MS are quoting would mean they have sold around 6 million units in about a month. Now considering they are selling fewer hardware units than Nintnedo or Sony, this story starts to smell a bit fishy. Then you read the "39 million 360's in the world" and you can see what MS have done, they are using the shipped figures. A console is shipped from MS to the retailer and that counts as a shipped unit, but until a consumer buys it, its not sold. This to me looks like desperation from a share holder point of view. Keep looking at the NDP data and you'll see why.
Sony have overtaken Microsoft in EVERY region now apart from America, so MS don't want that to affect their share holder price so statments like this need to be handed out. This to me is the lowest of the low, this is worse then making silly claims that a game can only run on your system becuase of some stupid lighting thats has been out for years.
Do you actually play games?....or do you play sales figures?
What difference does it matter to anyone other than Sony and Microsoft how many units are sold?...will it change the way your console behaves?......or will it only serve to impress a fanboy who only owns 1 console?
What a shame its come down to this. If you compair what MS are saying to the NDP data, then something is clearly wrong. Because the figures MS are quoting would mean they have sold around 6 million units in about a month. Now considering they are selling fewer hardware units than Nintnedo or Sony, this story starts to smell a bit fishy. Then you read the "39 million 360's in the world" and you can see what MS have done, they are using the shipped figures. A console is shipped from MS to the retailer and that counts as a shipped unit, but until a consumer buys it, its not sold. This to me looks like desperation from a share holder point of view. Keep looking at the NDP data and you'll see why.
Sony have overtaken Microsoft in EVERY region now apart from America, so MS don't want that to affect their share holder price so statments like this need to be handed out. This to me is the lowest of the low, this is worse then making silly claims that a game can only run on your system becuase of some stupid lighting thats has been out for years.
Not really. MS already had Xbox 360 figures of over 36.5+ million units shipped before this latest report, so it is entirely possible that some 2.2 to 2.5 million units, or more, have shipped during the 2009 Christmas period worldwide.
Speaking of "EVERY region"...Did you perchance read the recent article here on CVG's forum that showed MS having the highest sales attachment-wise in the UK in 2009?
Cheers. I rather enjoyed watching and listening to some of the crowd's reactions! I however found the Zelda crowd's reaction far more enthusiastic and with the battle music of "Conan" being the icing on the cake.
MS hand was forced and they offered this rather decent policy simply because 50% of their machines encountered RROD.
The YLOD only occurred on a small fraction of PS3's and Sony's tech continues to be more reliable, uses less power and makes less noise and is all inclusive with the power brick built inside, a blu ray drive built inside, a wi-fi device built inside. On a hardware side of things PS3 trumps Xbox 360.
And Xbox 360 failure rates show as being astronomically high until better models were released recently (years later).
Source?
Note: It needs to be a reliable source and not a survey on a niche gaming website that had 1,000 participants, etc.
P.S. You were almost right however, the Xbox 360 does in fact have a better GPU than the PS3 and yet the visual difference between the two in terms of live gaming is hard to discern - indeed, apparently it often favours the "inferior" Xbox 360 when dealing with cross platform games. Have a slice of humble pie and better luck next time.
I wonder how many PS3s which broke down after a year got repaired for free? Oh that's right, none.
I know which manufacturer I would recommend to my friends.
My hat goes off to you sir, that is a true fan boy statment! So that fact that MS has a hardware failure of around 50% compaired to Sony's 7% didn't even enter your brain when you wrote that statment speaks for itself!
Given the large number of grey hairs I've got, I would prefer the term 'Fan bloke' or perhaps even just 'Fan'. I really am not bothered about sales or failure percentages, I only care about what effects me when something goes wrong. All electrical devices will die eventually. My washing machine required a paid repair. My broken dvd player had to be replaced by buying a new one. My broken xbox got repaired for free. That makes me happy. That is all.
so your beef is with all paid repaired hardware not just the ps3?! yet you still act like a 16 year old fan boy about it! is your washing machine a bosch? thinkin of going to hoover or indecit next? only reason M$ do it for free was because they almost got sued for it, not enough ps3's breaks to cause a day out in court
Good grief! You really are frothing at the mouth today, eh SDF fella? The "bloke" (as per his request ) did not at any point state he had any "beef" with any of the paid repairs he's had. Quite the contrary, he specifically went out of his way to state that it is a fact of life he expects. That MS are willing to repair his Xbox 360 free of any additional charges is simply a bonus in his eyes. Now do you understand or do we need to go over it again?
who doesnt release their christmas figures, but instead, release worldwide sales?!
should set an alarm off in all but the most 360-biased head.
its sad you need to defend such a politican style headline and champion it into the bargain.
sony released their xmas figures first. this is to counter it, while saving face.
Depends on how you wish to look at it. Apparently you prefer to focus on one slice of the "pie". Others, like myself, may consider it far more interesting to focus on the whole "pie" (i.e. total annual sales) as that is the actual bottom line. Focusing on one slice of the "pie" has its uses if you have specific plans for that region or segment of the year that the aforementioned slice of "pie" occupies. Or do you advocate focusing on one single detail in a game, car, painting, what-have-you while ignoring all the other relevant details? Individual details matter and so does the big picture.
I'm going to have to quote myself here, becuase people are actually beliving this story! MS have not sold 39million Units. They have Shipped 39million units. Out of that 39million, 35 million are actually sold to the consumer.
What a shame its come down to this. If you compair what MS are saying to the NDP data, then something is clearly wrong. Because the figures MS are quoting would mean they have sold around 6 million units in about a month. Now considering they are selling fewer hardware units than Nintnedo or Sony, this story starts to smell a bit fishy. Then you read the "39 million 360's in the world" and you can see what MS have done, they are using the shipped figures. A console is shipped from MS to the retailer and that counts as a shipped unit, but until a consumer buys it, its not sold. This to me looks like desperation from a share holder point of view. Keep looking at the NDP data and you'll see why.
Sony have overtaken Microsoft in EVERY region now apart from America, so MS don't want that to affect their share holder price so statments like this need to be handed out. This to me is the lowest of the low, this is worse then making silly claims that a game can only run on your system becuase of some stupid lighting thats has been out for years.
Do you actually play games?....or do you play sales figures?
What difference does it matter to anyone other than Sony and Microsoft how many units are sold?...will it change the way your console behaves?......or will it only serve to impress a fanboy who only owns 1 console?
I know the answer to that, now bore off.
Well done, you missed the entir point I made by a mile.
I don't care how many units people sell so long as I can play great games. But I don't see why we need all this bulls**t from companys feeding lies to people, what is now really amazing me is how people are leaping to MS's defence even though they are lying!
What a shame its come down to this. If you compair what MS are saying to the NDP data, then something is clearly wrong. Because the figures MS are quoting would mean they have sold around 6 million units in about a month. Now considering they are selling fewer hardware units than Nintnedo or Sony, this story starts to smell a bit fishy. Then you read the "39 million 360's in the world" and you can see what MS have done, they are using the shipped figures. A console is shipped from MS to the retailer and that counts as a shipped unit, but until a consumer buys it, its not sold. This to me looks like desperation from a share holder point of view. Keep looking at the NDP data and you'll see why.
Sony have overtaken Microsoft in EVERY region now apart from America, so MS don't want that to affect their share holder price so statments like this need to be handed out. This to me is the lowest of the low, this is worse then making silly claims that a game can only run on your system becuase of some stupid lighting thats has been out for years.
Not really. MS already had Xbox 360 figures of over 36.5+ million units shipped before this latest report, so it is entirely possible that some 2.2 to 2.5 million units, or more, have shipped during the 2009 Christmas period worldwide.
Shipped, not sold! Thats my point. Shipped means its sitting in a shop ready to be sold. A sold unit is sitting in someones house. The amount of units a company shipps means nothing, its the amount of units sold that actually matters. My whole point is that people are saying "Hey well done MS" (CVG included), but these units are not sold! Its like people don't know the difference between a shipped unit and a sold unit. You say well done MS you sold 35 million units, not well done MS you shipped 39million. I bet Nintnedo has about another 8 million units world wide that are shipped.
And like everyone else is saying, why would you care whether M$ sold five 360's or five million?
Does it bother you that Sony do exactly the same with their sales figures?
What happens when/if the PS3 catches the 360 up? Absolutely nothing.....apart from you having a cardiac arrest in excitement probably.
Are you serious, or just dumb? As I've written probably about 3 times now, my beef is with lies - its nothing to do with how many are sold. I don't care how many units are sold, we have a healthy industry which is good.
This has been posted as a story about MS selling X amount of units, but they havent. They have shipped X amount of units which is a different thing. Someone is trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes for some reason, and make claims which are not true, thats what my whole problem is. And somehow becuase I pointed this out I'm some sort of bottom hole.
What a shame its come down to this. If you compair what MS are saying to the NDP data, then something is clearly wrong. Because the figures MS are quoting would mean they have sold around 6 million units in about a month. Now considering they are selling fewer hardware units than Nintnedo or Sony, this story starts to smell a bit fishy. Then you read the "39 million 360's in the world" and you can see what MS have done, they are using the shipped figures. A console is shipped from MS to the retailer and that counts as a shipped unit, but until a consumer buys it, its not sold. This to me looks like desperation from a share holder point of view. Keep looking at the NDP data and you'll see why.
Sony have overtaken Microsoft in EVERY region now apart from America, so MS don't want that to affect their share holder price so statments like this need to be handed out. This to me is the lowest of the low, this is worse then making silly claims that a game can only run on your system becuase of some stupid lighting thats has been out for years.
Not really. MS already had Xbox 360 figures of over 36.5+ million units shipped before this latest report, so it is entirely possible that some 2.2 to 2.5 million units, or more, have shipped during the 2009 Christmas period worldwide.
Shipped, not sold! Thats my point. Shipped means its sitting in a shop ready to be sold. A sold unit is sitting in someones house. The amount of units a company shipps means nothing, its the amount of units sold that actually matters. My whole point is that people are saying "Hey well done MS" (CVG included), but these units are not sold! Its like people don't know the difference between a shipped unit and a sold unit. You say well done MS you sold 35 million units, not well done MS you shipped 39million. I bet Nintnedo has about another 8 million units world wide that are shipped.
Calm down. I am well aware that "shipped" needn't automatically equate with an actual "sale" however, as others have already pointed out to you repeatedly, from the console makers perspective once they ship a unit to a retailer it is seen as a sale in their books unless the retailer has an arrangement with them that allows them to send back any unsold inventory. Now neither you nor I know how many units are sent back, if any, yet I think its safe to say that it is clear that many, many console units are actually sold. That goes for the Xbox 360, the PS3 and the Wii. They all play the same game in regards to figures. Sony's recent announcement of increased sales is in all likelihood no different in that regards. If you are so ardent about this cause then be sure to go stir up the same brouhaha in that thread.
I understand your frustration with perceived falsehood. I have felt the same way and I still do, but with time I have mellowed out some and learned to better control that outrage. You may find that there is an awful lot of grey in between the perceived black and white zones of life. Why do you consider these figures lies when they state "shipped"? Is it because it strikes you as potentially misleading? Misleading, while not fair, is not exactly the same as outright lying. Add to that that since you don't know how many of the shipped units become sold units, it may turn out that there isn't much of a difference in the figures at all and thus no intentional lying nor fudging of the figures has taken place if a general estimate is what has been provided. Just food for thought young grasshopper.
And who gives a stuff if Microsoft 'bend' the truth on their sales, Sony do it, Nintendo do it.....but because this is Microsoft and you love Sony you feel the need to jump up and down and have a nose bleed?
I couldn't give a flying fart how many consoles are sold and how many consoles the manufacturers sell because it doesn't affect us as gamers in the slightest, I'm more inclined to be cheesed off with manufacturers claiming hardware specs that never surface, the power of certain processors and a library of unbelievable games that would be unmatched by anything else.....and why? because this does affect us when it turns out to be complete bullsh1t.
the web is riddled with free online communties with the features of LIVE...
so what are you paying for? what is this 'much more than playing games' that it offers?!
i dont think im missing anything, your just hyping it up to justify shelling out for it.
Posted: 7 Jan 10 4:17 pm Post subject: PSN is a few features away from being the same thing
At the very least I would say we pay for those features you don't get for free, eh?
I don't need to justify shelling out for it. If it wasn't worth it, I wouldn't do it. I find it weird why you are so worried about what other people spend their money on to be honest. Tell me... If Sony started charging for their online service, would you pay?
Why do you consider these figures lies when they state "shipped"?
The rest of your post is actually very calming, unlike the utter troll Paraspaz!
The only real reason I got upset was becuase it didn't stat that they were shipped, but it just said "in the world" which is misleading, and looking at other peoples post who were giving 'gratz' the misleading on MS behalf worked.
On reflection, I guess this is the reason I sold my 360 and swore never to get anything other than windows from MS again, becuase they are a poor company with low standards in almost every area.
this is not accurate figure,shipped means the amount out of the factory, not the amount bought,very misleading,and what a shock from micros**t. A good example would be there might be 30,000 in stock per week in Japan shops,however they are selling about 8000. So there isnt 30,000 happy customers, theres 8000 plonkers ,is that clearer
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My hat goes off to you sir, that is a true fan boy statment!
