While there's nothing official on what Call Of Duty developer Treyarch is currently up to, the heat is beginning to be turned up on rumours that it's busy making Call of Duty Vietnam. Here's the latest crop.
It's being suggested that Treyarch's title is set for a winter 2010 release and it'll be based on conflicts from the Vietnam War.
PlanetXbox360 claims that Treyarch has relied heavily on technologies and ideas introduced by series creator Infinity Ward, which is probably a given.
Vietnam is said to focus heavily on the story, specifically the struggles of each individual platoon member. And pacing of the game is rumoured to follow movies such as Saving Private Ryan, Platoon, Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket.
Who knows. It's all too early to even think about yet.
I think this would be great as it'd be something completely new.
I'm a bit worried it'll be too much like the Japanese parts in WAW, which were not very good.
Starting the new decade just made me realise there's not a huge difference between WW2 and Vietnam. Obviously the M16 will have a noticeable difference though. I guess there could be helicopters too, which could make for some great on rails sections.
I got a chuckle out of the mention of "Saving Private Ryan" as video inspiration. I thought it was a magnificent WWII movie and I do realise that it may still be possible to learn things about combat and physics, etc. from that movie however, it has nothing to do with the Vietnam war in military terms.
Havent really looked forward to a COD since COD4.Wasent impressed witg WOW or MW2 (well i was at first with MW2) but straight away dont like the sound of this. For one Treyarch is doing it and two its in Vietnam which is just gunner be identicle to the Japenese missions in WOW.
Plus with Vietnam how much depth can you have.Wit World War 2 you had five years of worldwide battles to work with and with Modern Warefare..... well look at the state of the world today. With Vietnam you only have two sides in a pointless war. To me it sounds like to many booby traps and Last Stands to me really cant see what they can do with this but hay i hope i get my eye wiped and they make a decent game but with it bein Treyacrh... cant really see it.
Havent really looked forward to a COD since COD4.Wasent impressed witg WOW or MW2 (well i was at first with MW2) but straight away dont like the sound of this. For one Treyarch is doing it and two its in Vietnam which is just gunner be identicle to the Japenese missions in WOW.
Plus with Vietnam how much depth can you have.Wit World War 2 you had five years of worldwide battles to work with and with Modern Warefare..... well look at the state of the world today. With Vietnam you only have two sides in a pointless war. To me it sounds like to many booby traps and Last Stands to me really cant see what they can do with this but hay i hope i get my eye wiped and they make a decent game but with it bein Treyacrh... cant really see it.
While I'm not quite sure how thrilled (or not) to be about this latest news (and I feel the same way about WAW, MW2 and Treyarch as you do), I think you are barely scratching the surface of the Vietnam conflict.
The tensions, both diplomatically and strategically speaking, began almost immediately after the French colonial power pulled out after losing the first Indochina War in Vietnam (then known as "French Indochina" ). The US inserted advisors (read "CIA" ) in to South Vietnam starting with the Eisenhower administration, this intensified along with smaller numbers of military personnel being deployed as well under the Kennedy administration. It was under the Johnson administration in 1965 that the US military was unleashed in Vietnam. Under the Nixon administration a cease fire was established in 1973 although a steady bombing campaign continued - incidentally the US dropped more bombs over Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia combined than they did during all of WWII. The US completely stopped the official war against Vietnam under the Ford administration in 1975 after Nixon resigned in disgrace after being caught bugging his political adversaries campaign headquarters during an election year. Thus the Vietnam war came to a close in 1975 some 10 years after it militarily began in 1965 while having taken place in the three countries of Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. That's a lot of military history in a lot of places. There were full frontal assaults, new technology developed not seen before (ex. early laser guided bombs), plenty of covert operations carried out by special forces, drug deals orchestrated by national intelligence organizations to help fund their operations away from prying eyes. Add to that the global scene which was deep in the Cold War at the time and I'm confident there is loads of material to work with!
I think that WAW has a better campaign than MW2. Lasted far longer with a better story. Also the multiplayer is less buggy. If implemented with all MW2 'advancements' I'm sure it'll be an excellent game. Will we see the return of the evil (un)dead?
Havent really looked forward to a COD since COD4.Wasent impressed witg WOW or MW2 (well i was at first with MW2) but straight away dont like the sound of this. For one Treyarch is doing it and two its in Vietnam which is just gunner be identicle to the Japenese missions in WOW.
Plus with Vietnam how much depth can you have.Wit World War 2 you had five years of worldwide battles to work with and with Modern Warefare..... well look at the state of the world today. With Vietnam you only have two sides in a pointless war. To me it sounds like to many booby traps and Last Stands to me really cant see what they can do with this but hay i hope i get my eye wiped and they make a decent game but with it bein Treyacrh... cant really see it.
While I'm not quite sure how thrilled (or not) to be about this latest news (and I feel the same way about WAW, MW2 and Treyarch as you do), I think you are barely scratching the surface of the Vietnam conflict.
The tensions, both diplomatically and strategically speaking, began almost immediately after the French colonial power pulled out after losing the first Indochina War in Vietnam (then known as "French Indochina" ). The US inserted advisors (read "CIA" ) in to South Vietnam starting with the Eisenhower administration, this intensified along with smaller numbers of military personnel being deployed as well under the Kennedy administration. It was under the Johnson administration in 1965 that the US military was unleashed in Vietnam. Under the Nixon administration a cease fire was established in 1973 although a steady bombing campaign continued - incidentally the US dropped more bombs over Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia combined than they did during all of WWII. The US completely stopped the official war against Vietnam under the Ford administration in 1975 after Nixon resigned in disgrace after being caught bugging his political adversaries campaign headquarters during an election year. Thus the Vietnam war came to a close in 1975 some 10 years after it militarily began in 1965 while having taken place in the three countries of Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. That's a lot of military history in a lot of places. There were full frontal assaults, new technology developed not seen before (ex. early laser guided bombs), plenty of covert operations carried out by special forces, drug deals orchestrated by national intelligence organizations to help fund their operations away from prying eyes. Add to that the global scene which was deep in the Cold War at the time and I'm confident there is loads of material to work with!
Fantastic history lesson there. Can't wait to play the Nixon Invasion minigame!
Did anyone ever play Vietcong on the PC several years ago. That was actually not a bad game and if Treyarch can build on that using the COD engine, then I'm gonna hold out hope. Although I'll be first to admit a new COD game every year is wearing rather thin.
Of course everything hinders on them getting the soundtrack just right!
I don't care what anyone says about WAW I enjoyed it far more than I did MW2, both online and especially the campaign. I hope Treyarch are going for Vietnam as it's a period of history I know very little about unlike WW2 which I have a great deal of interest in.
I think that WAW has a better campaign than MW2. Lasted far longer with a better story. Also the multiplayer is less buggy. If implemented with all MW2 'advancements' I'm sure it'll be an excellent game. Will we see the return of the evil (un)dead?
The campaign was maybe an hour longer at most. Maybe.
Also, don't you rememebr the WAW underscreen glitch? That was a pain in the bottom! Totally ruined some games. I'd love to see zombies cme back, although, I don't know, I see something a bit 'wrong' with Vietcong zombies, just seems a bit out of order, not sure why.
I got a chuckle out of the mention of "Saving Private Ryan" as video inspiration. I thought it was a magnificent WWII movie and I do realise that it may still be possible to learn things about combat and physics, etc. from that movie however, it has nothing to do with the Vietnam war in military terms.
Typically, treyarch havnt created anything half as good as Infinaty, the same design will be used for everything, AGAIN, big bright yellow highlights for where explosives need to be placed, everything scripted to hell, unlimited enemy respawns.. I'm more looking forward to what EA do with the Modern 'Medal of Honour' and what DICE will add to the bound-to-be-fantastic Bad Company2.
Yes, BC2 will follow the same design as the original but it's feels so much more rewarding being able to destroy buildings and plot your own route through the open environment. Theirs just something that's too outdated with the 'Call of Duty' franchise, even with MW2 being set in a modern day battleground- it try's too hard to disguise the flaws that have plagued the series for quite some time!
i'd like to play as the 'other side' in many of these games. I'd rather have an involving story of a vietnamese soldier then that of a generic american 'hero soldier'.
Also like the person who said that the americans will win this time. I bet you won't be that wrong, it'll probably be like 'We were soldiers' were victory comes from shooting everything up and getting airlifted away safely.
Also just the throw this out there, what do you people think about a game set in the 18th century playing as the British trying to hold on to the Americas, or even something like the american civil war?
Interesting stuff. I have hope for this game especially if Treyarch can detach itself from their previous games of which I thought WAW was still pretty interesting.
Would be a great new start for the mini franchise within the COD branding and I feel as KFD stated that there is a lot more to the Vietnam war than many people think. If they can nail the backstory and create a great atmosphere it would be great.
And pacing of the game is rumoured to follow movies such as Saving Private Ryan, Platoon, Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket.
What the hell does that mean?
The "pacing" of Apocalypse Now and Platoon are completely different from one another. The first half of FMJ is spent at boot camp where the only combat is lyrical, whilst Saving Private Ryan starts with the biggest fight scene in film history.
So in answer to my question: f*ck all.
Google what a word means before using it (or, more likely, cut and pasting it from the press release).
I think a full game based on Nazi zombies would sell well, as it's the only reason many people bought COD5. They could have different levels from different times (e.g. WW2, Vietnam, Iraq etc) with a load of perk/weapon unlocks. Nazi zombies, in my opinion, is the best survival game out there by far. Plus, competing with Halo, MW and all of the other shooters out there would be madness, people would only buy it because it's called call of duty. Treyarch, you could make the best survival game on the market without a problem, so why the hell not?
I got a chuckle out of the mention of "Saving Private Ryan" as video inspiration. I thought it was a magnificent WWII movie and I do realise that it may still be possible to learn things about combat and physics, etc. from that movie however, it has nothing to do with the Vietnam war in military terms.
Didn't MoHAA do this more than 12 years ago?
Yes, although MoHAA was released Feb. 5th, 2002 so 8 years as opposed to 12 years ago. What a fantastic introductory mission/level it was too, IMO!
i wonder how historically correct it will be? US army will win this time round im sure.
Depends on how you wish to view the historical facts. Did North Vietnam successfully manage to overpower South Vietnam and establish a communist regime? Yes. Was North Vietnam fighting primarily US forces at the end of that conflict? No; the vast majority of US forces had left by 1973, so some would argue that it is false to say the US military lost since it wasn't actually there in a large combat capacity when South Vietnam finally did succumb. South Vietnamese forces lost the war for a variety of reasons (lack of political support for the perceived puppet government of South Vietnam amongst the civilian population, a lack of supplies and arms from the US or so some claim, while China and the USSR helped keep the Vietcong well supplied, etc.) Finally, from a US military perspective the Vietnam conflict wasn't a "total war"; in such conflicts all military means are used and for geo-political reasons one would imagine, Uncle Sam didn't start tossing nuclear weapons around Hanoi at the time though it could have.
Furthermore, some people would likely argue that by committing to an extensive and costly war in Vietnam, the US successfully communicated to the two main communist powers of the USSR and China that the US would not allow a "Domino effect" to take place in Southeast Asia whereby communism would have spread unhindered. Indeed, some credit the US commitment to Vietnam as a catalyst for the ousting of communist sympathizers in the Philipines (nevermind that a totalitarian despot by the name of Marcos later came in to power *ahem*).
I think a full game based on Nazi zombies would sell well, as it's the only reason many people bought COD5. They could have different levels from different times (e.g. WW2, Vietnam, Iraq etc) with a load of perk/weapon unlocks. Nazi zombies, in my opinion, is the best survival game out there by far. Plus, competing with Halo, MW and all of the other shooters out there would be madness, people would only buy it because it's called call of duty. Treyarch, you could make the best survival game on the market without a problem, so why the hell not?
Sounds a little bit like the premise of "Jericho".
Vietnam would be an inspired location. All we've had so far are Conflict: Vietnam which, as a Conflict fan, apart from the dreadful PS3 Conflict, is the worst in the series, and the Shellshock games which were both terrible as well. I'd want some WW1 shooters as well, completely unexplored territory there.
Vietnam would be an inspired location. All we've had so far are Conflict: Vietnam which, as a Conflict fan, apart from the dreadful PS3 Conflict, is the worst in the series, and the Shellshock games which were both terrible as well. I'd want some WW1 shooters as well, completely unexplored territory there.
Not "completely" but certainly spbottomly covered! Off the top of my head:
Did anyone ever play Vietcong on the PC several years ago.
i got that the same time i bought Black Hawk Down on the PC, and you're right it was actually a pretty good game if not a little hard. the emersion it portrayed of the guy you played was brilliant.
I think that WAW has a better campaign than MW2. Lasted far longer with a better story. Also the multiplayer is less buggy. If implemented with all MW2 'advancements' I'm sure it'll be an excellent game. Will we see the return of the evil (un)dead?
The campaign was maybe an hour longer at most. Maybe.
Also, don't you rememebr the WAW underscreen glitch? That was a pain in the bottom! Totally ruined some games. I'd love to see zombies cme back, although, I don't know, I see something a bit 'wrong' with Vietcong zombies, just seems a bit out of order, not sure why.
Zombies in Vietnam was done in this movie called R-Point ... messed up film.
i just hope that if this does happen, the story follows the vietnamese instead of the americans. I think it would be a much more original story and i'd much more prefer to play as them too.
Until more game designers can turn out war games with deformable terrain and destructible environments like BC and BC2, I'm over just blowing up enemy soldiers and farmhouse fences...
Until more game designers can turn out war games with deformable terrain and destructible environments like BC and BC2, I'm over just blowing up enemy soldiers and farmhouse fences...
Until more game designers can turn out war games with deformable terrain and destructible environments like BC and BC2, I'm over just blowing up enemy soldiers and farmhouse fences...
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What a fantastic introductory mission/level it was too, IMO!
