Bayonetta's received a stunning ten out of ten verdict in the latest issue of Edge Magazine. We can't say we were expecting that.
The gushing review calls the Platinum Games brawler "flawless" and "the kind of game you dream of playing". Don't hold back, Edge boys...
"From start to finish its intricate and intuitive fighting system is a masterclass, and it even finds time to reclaim vehicle levels. This is about as good as it gets," the magazine says.
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"A thirdperson action game from the same school as Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden, Bayonetta has just memorised the best bits and burned down the building, its combination of seamless animation, sensory cues and riotous imagination setting a new standard."
Edge says the combat system "breaks new ground" and the story is "funny", but also finds time to be tender in places.
"It's a beautiful and graceful fighting game that lets imagination loose, and winks before slapping Dante, Kratos and every other hero back to the drawing board."
Err, I have this, and whilst it is a good game, I wouldn't think its a 10/10. The Japanese version (PS3) has horrible loading times, even when you pause, so unless these kinds of things have been ironed out, then I'd disagree.
Day one for me. NG and DMC weren't the best they could've been this gen in my opinion, so it's good to see a title that takes those two head on and ups the ante considerably.
I played the demo of this and thought it was terrible.
Okay maybe it isn't my sort of thing but ten out of ten? All I did in the demo was run around pressing square - I was bored s**tless by the end of it.
Also played the demo and wouldnt say it was terrible but I certainly didnt hold out much hope for it being AAA, with these reviews coming in though, maybe im wrong .
Err, I have this, and whilst it is a good game, I wouldn't think its a 10/10. The Japanese version (PS3) has horrible loading times, even when you pause, so unless these kinds of things have been ironed out, then I'd disagree.
8/10
It's pretty well known that the PS3 version is inferior to the 360 version, maybe the score's for the 360 version. Famitsu gave the 360 version 40/40 and the PS3 one 38/40 too.
All I did in the demo was run around pressing square - I was bored s**tless by the end of it.
Then maybe you should've done more than press Square. That's like saying SF sucks because all you did was jump around and press Jab.
Agreed, Edge magazine is quickly losing its....well....edge! 10/10? Even the 360 version is not worth that! 6/10 maybe 7/10 I had the demo and I didn't think it was very good at all.
EDGE like to be different - simple as that. However, if they love it so much, why not give it 10/10? It's their opinion. An opinion that, unfortunately, means very little to me. Same goes for Famitsu, so I still don't know if Bayonetta is any good. Both magazines have been so inconsistent in their reviewing methods that I barely trust either of them.
Either way, it will sell like snot pies and will be forgotten about when Mass Effect 2 and the other big guns come along.
However, that isn't to say that I won't buy it if it proves to be universally good. I do support good games over good sellers.
Way to be a snarky prat. That said, I agree with both points.
Just getting a little annoyed with the internet exploding with experts since the Edge review hit this morning, proclaiming it not to be worth the full marks it's been getting, even though they've 'only played the demo' or not even played the game at all.
I've read and own every copy of EDGE since Issue 1 and I have to say its not the same magazine it was. I was shocked this morning when I opened this issue and saw that review score. 10/10 used to be very rare but in the last 3 years they've handed it out to 5 or 6 games, nearly twice as many as they had give in the previous 12 years. They say that its not 10/10 based on overall quality of the game but more to do with how the game makes them feel and thats what counts. I'm not sure about that but review scores always have to be taken with a pinch of salt as it depends on lots of factors, I.E mainly who's reviewing the game.
I had the demo and I didn't think it was very good at all.
Maybe Edge reviewed the full game and not just the demo as you seem to have done.
Unless the full game features Shenmue 3 in it, I very much doubt that the full game really expands on the demo very far.
But what did you think of the demo then? I can't see how the full game could of been much better, how do you think it would of expanded the game experence seeing as your so quick to leap to Edge's defence.
All I did in the demo was run around pressing square - I was bored s**tless by the end of it.
Then maybe you should've done more than press Square. That's like saying SF sucks because all you did was jump around and press Jab.
Honestly mate I just didn't get it at all. What I mean is that I got through the entire demo pressing square and didn't really need to do much else besides jump.
I acknowledge that it isn't my kind of game, but what I'm trying to say is that a 10/10 score should only ever be for a game that can appeal to pretty much everyone and this certainly doesn't do that in my book. It may be great for fighting game fans, but I honestly just thought it was dull.
I will have to rent and form a proper opinion on it cos this score has me totally perplexed. I just don't see how it could be better than GTA 4, MW2 or Uncharted 2.
Unless the full game features Shenmue 3 in it, I very much doubt that the full game really expands on the demo very far.
But what did you think of the demo then? I can't see how the full game could of been much better, how do you think it would of expanded the game experence seeing as your so quick to leap to Edge's defence.
I thought the demo was okay but I'm not really a score attack based brawler fan, though I'm not naive enough to dismiss the game as not being worthy of its scores just because I'm not a massive fan of the genre, just as I won't do the same with the Forzas or GTs just because I couldn't give two shits about realistic driving games. And even I could tell from the demo that the possible scope of the combo and item system in the full game was massive.
Your opening sentence is pretty much you moaning that it doesn't switch genres, whereas the reviews are saying that it takes all that was great about DMC, Viewtiful Joe, God Hand, etc, smashes them out of the park and effectively ends up being the absolute pinnacle of the genre, and that's why it's getting those scores.
The guys I know that have this, who are big fans of the genre, have been creaming their pants over it with nothing but great things to say about it... Well, the 360 version anyway.
Saying a game needs to appeal to everybody to warrant full marks is just as idiotic as saying nothing deserves a perfect score because nothing is perfect. You don't get that kind of thinking in any other type of entertainment or art form so why here?
So would you give Microsoft flight simulator a 10/10 then? As a videogame?
It's the same reason why football manager never gets 10/10. It may do a perfect job for what it is, but because it's never going to appeal to everyone then it's impossible for a videogames magazine to recommend it to completely everyone, which is what a 10/10 score is doing in my opinion.
I think the same can be said for Bayonetta, but it's hard to say cos I haven't played it (Apart from the demo). I'm just saying that from what I've played, this is gonna be very much a marmite game for a lot of people.
I acknowledge that it isn't my kind of game, but what I'm trying to say is that a 10/10 score should only ever be for a game that can appeal to pretty much everyone and this certainly doesn't do that in my book.
If Edge think it deseverves 10/10 then great, if CVG for example think its a 8/10 great aswell, hell if some French mag wants to give it 21/20 then fine...
The problem is that some people get a bit obsessed with review scores, and think they are something more than the opinion of the person reviewing the game.
Unless the full game features Shenmue 3 in it, I very much doubt that the full game really expands on the demo very far.
Your opening sentence is pretty much you moaning that it doesn't switch genres,
No I'm moaning that I don't own Shenmue 3, also I'm saying that I doubt that the full game offers a vast canyon of difference from what is on offer in the demo. I don't care that it doesnt change genre, but I think the demo gives a damn good idea on what to expect from the full game.
I acknowledge that it isn't my kind of game, but what I'm trying to say is that a 10/10 score should only ever be for a game that can appeal to pretty much everyone and this certainly doesn't do that in my book.
If Edge think it deseverves 10/10 then great, if CVG for example think its a 8/10 great aswell, hell if some French mag wants to give it 21/20 then fine...
The problem is that some people get a bit obsessed with review scores, and think they are something more than the opinion of the person reviewing the game.
It's just a conversation don't read too much into it mate. I'm not one of those types that goes on and on and on about scores, it's just Edge - I find them really strange.
When you read that magazine you can sometimes tell if the guy writing the review was in a bad mood when he was doing it.
It's also so pseudo intellectual. They all think they're Mark Kermode. You could kind of predict a 10/10 for this as it's a bit wacky, a bit japanese, a bit different you know?
I dunno, they just get on my nerves.
I think I'm right though. A game should only get 10/10 if it can be recommended to everyone. I know there's a case to be made that says if it's the best in it's field it should get top marks, but then if that happened the likes of Wii Fit, Nintendogs and Brain Training would've all got 10/10 wouldn't they?
People need to relax and realize that review scores are not the be-all-and-end-all. People have different tastes, so naturally different review scores will be given out across the board. I also played the demo and thought it was good, but not great. I have however also been watching a ton of media, and it does look VERY good. Sort of what DMC should have been after it opened it's account with the first installment. Only negative I can say is that the main character is freakishly tall, so not a fan of her character design. Saying that, I really can't wait to get my hands on this game and hopefully play something that lives upto the hype, unlike COD: MW2, which doesn't do it for me, despite being another game with stupidly high review scores. And yes, for whatever reason the PS3 version is inferior to the 360 version and has recieved lower review scores. This is the main let down as they still have another month before it's released over here, so you'd think they'd do their best to get that on par.
I think I'm right though. A game should only get 10/10 if it can be recommended to everyone.
This is your problem, you think thats how games should be scored, thats your opinion and thats fine.
But Edge think different, and thats their opinion.
My opinion?
No game is going to appeal to everyone for the same reasons above, becuase everyone thinks differently. All any reviewer can really do is give their own opinion...
So would you give Microsoft flight simulator a 10/10 then? As a videogame?
It's the same reason why football manager never gets 10/10. It may do a perfect job for what it is, but because it's never going to appeal to everyone then it's impossible for a videogames magazine to recommend it to completely everyone, which is what a 10/10 score is doing in my opinion.
I've never played MS Flight Sim as I don't have any interest in it but if critics gave it top marks and explained why then I wouldn't dispute it as I have no knowledge of, or interest in it.
Stating that a game needs to appeal to everyone to get top marks makes no sense. Films don't get top marks because they appeal to everyone. Someone who thinks GI Joe is 'the shit' isn't necessarily going to love Citizen Kane. An album given top marks will never appeal to everyone, why should a game? That's why I compare it to saying 'nothing is worth a ten because nothing is perfect', it's an unobtainable goal and renders the scoring system redundant.
but I think the demo gives a damn good idea on what to expect from the full game.
How do you know that? You haven't played the full game. There are plenty of demos out there that don't represent the finished product particularly well.
All I'm saying is that people can't just dismiss a game as overrated when they haven't even played the finished product.
I think I'm right though. A game should only get 10/10 if it can be recommended to everyone.
This is your problem, you think thats how games should be scored, thats your opinion and thats fine.
Yeah, that's it. That's sort of what this place is for. I'm just giving my opinion that's all. I'm not telling people this is how games SHOULD be scored, I'm just saying that on the logic that a game should get 10/10 because it's the best in its genre then maybe magazines should be much more generous with football manager, Wii Fit, nintendogs, and Brain Training. It makes sense to me.
Stating that a game needs to appeal to everyone to get top marks makes no sense. Films don't get top marks because they appeal to everyone. Someone who thinks GI Joe is 'the shit' isn't necessarily going to love Citizen Kane. An album given top marks will never appeal to everyone, why should a game? That's why I compare it to saying 'nothing is worth a ten because nothing is perfect', it's an unobtainable goal and renders the scoring system redundant. .
I think the difference is that games simply aren't films or music. It's much easier to figure out if you like a certain genre of film or type of music from the trailer or a single or something. I think it's more difficult with a game.
When you are looking at Bayonetta you see a scrolling beat em up/shoot em up/fighter. Now immediately you think that it's gonna appeal to ninja Gaiden/DMC fans which is fine and so people like me stay away from it. I like Final Fight and Double Dragon and Streets of Rage though and they are scrolling beat em ups. They are of the same genre, but they are very different as well.
If this game scores 10/10 then I expect it to cater to me too, as there is a part of that genre I like, but from what I've played of the demo, it doesn't. This is just my opinion and my thoughts. I'm not saying the game is rubbish or anything, it's just an opinion about review scores that's all.
So maybe you don't agree with my opinion, but it does make sense.
10/10 has to be taken with a pinch of salt, please. The Edge magazine? This is the first time I've heard of this publication... what are their credibilities? And the author(s) of the review?
This 10/10 figure is used to grab the attention of children, fact.
I think I'm right though. A game should only get 10/10 if it can be recommended to everyone.
This is your problem, you think thats how games should be scored, thats your opinion and thats fine.
Yeah, that's it. That's sort of what this place is for. I'm just giving my opinion that's all. I'm not telling people this is how games SHOULD be scored, I'm just saying that on the logic that a game should get 10/10 because it's the best in its genre then maybe magazines should be much more generous with football manager, Wii Fit, nintendogs, and Brain Training. It makes sense to me.
Stating that a game needs to appeal to everyone to get top marks makes no sense. Films don't get top marks because they appeal to everyone. Someone who thinks GI Joe is 'the shit' isn't necessarily going to love Citizen Kane. An album given top marks will never appeal to everyone, why should a game? That's why I compare it to saying 'nothing is worth a ten because nothing is perfect', it's an unobtainable goal and renders the scoring system redundant. .
I think the difference is that games simply aren't films or music. It's much easier to figure out if you like a certain genre of film or type of music from the trailer or a single or something. I think it's more difficult with a game.
When you are looking at Bayonetta you see a scrolling beat em up/shoot em up/fighter. Now immediately you think that it's gonna appeal to ninja Gaiden/DMC fans which is fine and so people like me stay away from it. I like Final Fight and Double Dragon and Streets of Rage though and they are scrolling beat em ups. They are of the same genre, but they are very different as well.
If this game scores 10/10 then I expect it to cater to me too, as there is a part of that genre I like, but from what I've played of the demo, it doesn't. This is just my opinion and my thoughts. I'm not saying the game is rubbish or anything, it's just an opinion about review scores that's all.
So maybe you don't agree with my opinion, but it does make sense.
Well here's my opinion: You are talking absolute b******s mate!
No game is ever going to appeal to everyone. I just can't believe that you think just because a game has recieved a 10/10 it has to have something in it for everyone???
Never going to happen mate!
Oh, and Pepperman, its just EDGE and if you've never heard of it then you must be very new to gaming.
but I think the demo gives a damn good idea on what to expect from the full game.
How do you know that? You haven't played the full game. There are plenty of demos out there that don't represent the finished product particularly well.
I've played video games for 25 years now and I can't think of a single demo which didn't represent the full game well enough for me to turn my idea of it around.
Edge gave it 10/10, so that puts it up there with the most elite games ever. So I thought back to other games that had demos that are ranked with such high regard.
The Doom shareware newsgroup demo - That was amazing. Whats Shenmue? - Japanese only Dreamcast demo which had me begging for more. Sega Rally Bootleg Sample disc - Just unreal, a surpurb game. Gran Turismo 2 Demo - Blew me away.
When such a respected magazine like Edge gives a 10/10 award, I expect something very special. Becuase you are saying that this right up their with Mario 64, Shenmue, Zelda OOT, GTA Vice City, Goldeneye. The demo doesnt show that it should be anyway near these games. Other demos of amazing games have proven how good they are, Bayonetta just shows it is average. I understand your point of that you can't fully judge a game until you play the full version. But my point is that in my experence I can tell by a demo when something is going to be amazing and the Bayonetta demo was average, and I bet I'll think the same when I play the full game. Never have I played a demo which I thought was a bit meh, then played the full version only to be totally blown away. If you can think of a demo that done that please list it, maybe I can't think that far back anymore.
Well here's my opinion: You are talking absolute b******s mate!
No game is ever going to appeal to everyone. I just can't believe that you think just because a game has recieved a 10/10 it has to have something in it for everyone???
Never going to happen mate!
Oh, and Pepperman, its just EDGE and if you've never heard of it then you must be very new to gaming.
I'm not really saying that though. I'm just saying that it should appeal to pretty much everyone that is a fan of that genre, or at least have a fairly broad range of appeal that's all. I'm not saying every person in the world has to like it.
This game has a very niche appeal and that maybe great for those people, but I think you should be more responsible when reviewing a game.
All I'm saying is, if you review games that way then the scores go all to c**k don't they? If there are only 2 Real time strategies in a year, then the best one will get a decent score won't it because there isn't much else to compare it to, even if it's pretty average. There may be 100 fps's released in a year though and a really great one would still get a lower score than the average rts if it isn't the best in the genre. Do you see what I mean?
Oh I know what I mean, but you guys just seem to want to paint me as some kind of nutter that's shouting 'It doesn't deserve that score!'
I tell you what. Perfect example the other day. I was reading Gamecentral on Teletext and someone was annoyed cos they gave Wii Fit Plus 8/10 and Killzone 2 7/10. Now they said it was because they are two totally seperate genres and so the scores shouldn't be compared, but from where I'm sitting it just looks like they are saying Wii Fit Plus is a better game than Killzone 2. You can't have different scoring criteria for different genres in my opinion.
Unless the full game features Shenmue 3 in it, I very much doubt that the full game really expands on the demo very far.
Your opening sentence is pretty much you moaning that it doesn't switch genres,
No I'm moaning that I don't own Shenmue 3, also I'm saying that I doubt that the full game offers a vast canyon of difference from what is on offer in the demo. I don't care that it doesnt change genre, but I think the demo gives a damn good idea on what to expect from the full game.
I've played through the full game the demo is barely a scratch on what's in the full game.
If this game scores 10/10 then I expect it to cater to me too, as there is a part of that genre I like, but from what I've played of the demo, it doesn't. This is just my opinion and my thoughts. I'm not saying the game is rubbish or anything, it's just an opinion about review scores that's all.
So maybe you don't agree with my opinion, but it does make sense.
As much as I do like you, fanboy, that's complete bullcrap I'm afraid. Just because a game scores 10/10 does NOT mean it's meant to appeal to everyone. What on earth makes you think that? It just means that Bayonetta is one of the best examples of its genre.
Seeing as it's being created by the DMC bloke, then it's obviously going to appeal mainly to fans of Japanese action games and people who are fans of how the Japanese go about making their games. you certainly can't be putting a game down based on the demo either.
I'm as sceptical as the next guy about a 10/10 for this game. It has to go a long way to beat Uncharted 2, which was a 9 for me. That said i'm really looking forward to it. I thought the demo was fantastic. GoW3 demo was pants compared to it...which is odd considering i'd rather watch Clash of the Titans than most japanese stuff.
Those questioning the score..would you be asking the same question if it was MW2? I doubt it, yet that game is hardly even an 8.
And seriously...Shenmue? geeze, talk about rose tinted glasses. Great concept storyline and presentation, god awful game play and mechanics. It makes MGS4 look like a fully interactive shmup.
As much as I do like you, fanboy, that's complete bullcrap I'm afraid. Just because a game scores 10/10 does NOT mean it's meant to appeal to everyone. What on earth makes you think that? It just means that Bayonetta is one of the best examples of its genre.
Seeing as it's being created by the DMC bloke, then it's obviously going to appeal mainly to fans of Japanese action games and people who are fans of how the Japanese go about making their games. you certainly can't be putting a game down based on the demo either.
I honestly do believe what I'm saying!
I'm just struggling to put it in the right words.
You know the way most reviews for Ghostbusters said 'put an extra 2 marks on if you're a Ghostbusters fan'? That's what I think should be done with games like this.
It's a 10/10, but I'm betting there will be a large group of people that will be disappointed that have just bought the game on the strength of the score.
As I said earlier, I don't think it needs to appeal to everyone, but a 10/10 for me should kind of transcend the genre it is in, whereas this in my opinion (and it's not a great opinion as I've only played the demo) will not even appeal to everyone that likes scrolling fighters.
Jazzy P is spot on, and I think is inadvertently saying what I'm saying. Shenmue got fantastic scores across the board, and I love it, but even I can see that a lot of people aren't going to be thrilled about having to get a job as a forklift truck driver in order to get money to progress in the game. People would've bought that game because of the reviews even though it is quite a niche experience.
There will probably be alot of people who will buy Bayonetta on the basis of the score, but so what? If it's anything to go by, as an action game, Bayonetta is meant to be a facking brilliant example. It may even convert alot of people to the genre who might not have given it a second look.
The game is meant to play really, really well regardless. 10/10, 9/10 or 8/10, the gameplay is meant to be top notch.
I just don't think it will that's all. I could well be wrong, but I don't think fans of Streets of Rage and Golden Axe will like this much, never mind people who aren't hack 'n' slash/beat em up fans.
I do realise there's no way I could possibly know this yet , but you know when you've been playing games for years and years and you think you can just tell? It's like that.
It's a very loose opinion and is really just based on a hunch, but I've got a funny feeling I might be right.
The demo for Dead Space was s**te, but the full game isn't.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
As for this, I'm amazed it got a ten. I haven't played the demo or anything but from the videos I've seen it just looked like a complicated mess, with enemies and flashing lights constantly covering the screen. I thought Dante's Inferno was the one to watch out of these two. Still could be I suppose.
As for the scoring debate, personally I don't think any game should get a ten, it implies that it's perfect which no game is, or ever will be. Oh and I wouldn't take Fanboy too seriously btw, he IS from Liverpool you know.
Unless the full game features Shenmue 3 in it, I very much doubt that the full game really expands on the demo very far.
Your opening sentence is pretty much you moaning that it doesn't switch genres,
No I'm moaning that I don't own Shenmue 3, also I'm saying that I doubt that the full game offers a vast canyon of difference from what is on offer in the demo. I don't care that it doesnt change genre, but I think the demo gives a damn good idea on what to expect from the full game.
I've played through the full game the demo is barely a scratch on what's in the full game.
Im sure there is a load of content in the full version, but I bet the demo gives you a good idea on what to expect. Now as you have actually played the game unlike the rest of us, does the demo represent the game well? By that I mean are the gameplay mechanics represented well by the demo. Im sure there are many more moves, badguys, level etc. But is the meat and potatos the same?
Well i have the new Edge and i do not recall them saying it was flawless. Also they listed the imperfections at the end of the review and to get a 10/10 does not mean a games is perfect, they state this in their reviews breakdown every month.
Does anyone remember the Edge issue where they didn't put a score on the end of the reviews as an experiment? Bet they wish that was in place with this review! Personally I like to see a score at the end but lets not forget its just one person opinion...
How do you know that? You haven't played the full game. There are plenty of demos out there that don't represent the finished product particularly well.
That's a very good point. I would name Dead Space as a prime example of this. The demo was far, far too difficult and put me off within about a minute. It was only because I saw it for a tenner and thought "what the hell" that bought it and found it to be one of the best games of this generation - certainly everything that RE5 is not.
I've pretty much agreed with every Edge 10/10 so far - but the Bayonetta style of game really doesn't appeal to me.
I think the demos can sometimes put you off a game. When I played the resi 5 demo I didn't know what the hell was going on or what the controls were and I almost didn't buy the game. When I did buy it and you are introduced to the controls one at a time it is no problem, and the game was great... When you are just given a sample of a game it can give the wrong impression of the overall game.
If you have a PS3 you have to create a Japanese psn account and download it from their store. As far as I know there isn't one available for the 360 yet.
If you have a PS3 you have to create a Japanese psn account and download it from their store. As far as I know there isn't one available for the 360 yet.
360 was the 1st console to feature the demo but like psn its Japanese only just look on you tube for setting up a jap live/psn account
Seeing as we brits are always f*&%ed beyond belief most of the time when it comes to worldwide game and demo releases I took the opportunity to play the demo at the Eurogamer Expo, and while it was certainly a good action game along the lines of Devil May Cry it was hardly original by any strech of the imagination. It definitly was not worthy of a 10 out of 10 score on any level. A 7 would have been much closer to the mark(as for a demo not representing the full game - please. In all my years of gaming I have yet to play a demo that didn't represent the finished article). It was good fun and I will get it, but it isn't top of the list.
I'll give you an example of a demo that didn't show the game in it's true light.
Brutal Legend......it makes the game seem like it's an action adventure/brawler when in actual fact it's a broken RTS/open world metal love in.
Like someone said above me, why not have full marks? Full marks has never meant perfect, much like a 1st or an A* doesn't mean you've passed 100% at academia.
I generally trust Edge, if they say it's 10/10 and they have justified the score then so be it. It's not like anything this gen has really taken ownership of the genre.
I can't remember who it was that stated that Wiifit and Nintendogs and the ilk should maybe get higher marks as they are the best representatives in their field too. Well Wii fit sees itself as more of a fitness thing, so it obviously loses out to, you know, excercise, while Nintendogs is in no way comparable to having an actual pet so neither are very effective and don't go beyond novelty value. I see your reasoning but it's very flawed.
as much as i want to be excited about this, i just can't be.
i played the demo and i did really enjoy it, i actually went back and played it 2 times. i love bayonetta herself, i don't get hard over game characters but i think she is very cool and looks sexy.
platinum games are one of my top games folk and i f**king bummed madworld earlier in the year, my top game as mad as it sounds.
i have to give fanboy some credit here, what he is saying sounds about right... i really liked everything about the game, my girlfriend on the other hand was slating it's design (i.e the "sonic rings" you have to collect etc) hahahaha.
definitely not a game for everyone and 10/10 is certainly too high. 8-9 is probably more right if you are not p**sed. i'd say the demo was 8/10, in the same class as NG2 which i loved.
i will certainly buy the game on ps3, all this about 360 having the better version etc is just codswallop, every game that is supposed to be better on the 360 than on ps3 is just bulls**t. they are identical in most cases and i'm sure they'll fix whatever it is that is wrong with the ps3 version in time for our release.
where is everyone playing this demo?????? im guessing its not on xbox live i really want to have a go at the game because devil may cry and ninja gaiden are not enough for me atm i need more of that genre
Yeah but by that reasoning Bayonetta isn't as good as actually being a really hard, magical witch is it?!
All the games mentioned are reviewed on their videogame representation of their subject. So on that basis I think my point still works.
Not at all, it's a videogame and gives you the opportunity to be a 'kick ass witch' which you obviously can't do in the real world. Nintendogs and Wii fit are positioned as life style software and not games, they don't share any similarities with games except for the fact they share the same hardware.
Fifa and Pro Evo are decent interpretations of their field so they get positive reviews. They don't get 10s as they are brought out on a yearly basis and you have to mark them down for the fact that they're not striving to be definitive as there would be no point in buying a new iteration.
Instead of the assumption that a 10/10 should by rights appeal to you maybe you should just learn to appreciate things you don't like instead. You don't have to like something to appreciate that it is good.
where is everyone playing this demo?????? im guessing its not on xbox live i really want to have a go at the game because devil may cry and ninja gaiden are not enough for me atm i need more of that genre
Japanese accounts mate, it's out on XBLA first week of december I think. I don't know about PSN, probably the same week.
A lot of people on here don't seem to be taking the review score in context... Look, if I give a Waldorf Salad top marks, and also an Aston Martin DB9, then put them head to head, which one is the winner?
Exactly. They are two completely different things, can't be compared.
So comparing Bayonetta to the other Edge 10's is missing the point a little. In the context of what can be achieved in a third person action game, Bayonetta is a prime example, the pinnacle of the genre.
I for one have always trusted Edge's reviews. In fact, it is the one review I wait on for the definitive view on a game. They always view things just that little bit differently, and 9 times out of 10 their views pretty much mirror my own. Xbox World 360 is the other mag of choice, as I appreciate their honesty.
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Just getting a little annoyed with the internet exploding with experts since the Edge review hit this morning, proclaiming it not to be worth the full marks it's been getting, even though they've 'only played the demo' or not even played the game at all.
I'm not one of those types that goes on and on and on about scores, it's just Edge - I find them really strange.
, but you know when you've been playing games for years and years and you think you can just tell? It's like that. 
