Microsoft knows when you play a pre-release game on Xbox Live and will hunt you down if they feel they have too. That's what Stephen Toulouse, Xbox Live's director of policy and enforcement has said on the subject of playing pre-release illegal games on the service.
Forza 3 - Suzuka Couse
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Forza 3 - Suzuka Couse
Gameplay footage
1:36Does Turn-10's latest racer look any different?
"Don't worry folks, anyone who bought a copy early is ok," Toulouse Tweeted. "In general, if you got a receipt, play away. These are illegit copies we're hitting. You know, when you play a pre-release title on Live when I know you shouldn't have it, it's not hard for me to figure out."
Fair is fair if Microsoft insist upon treating it customers like garbage by trying to squeeze every last penny from it's customers then why shouldn't they feel the pinch too ? Remember what Valve said about the last Left 4 Dead DLC ? They wanted to make it free for all of us who bought the game but Microsoft said no us loyal customers have to pay. You see it's nonsense. Good on the pirate community keep on keeping on just don't get caught !
Glad to hear it. I got an email today saying my copy of Forza 3 has been dispatched and was worried that I might not be safe to play it if it arrives early.
Fair is fair if Microsoft insist upon treating it customers like garbage by trying to squeeze every last penny from it's customers then why shouldn't they feel the pinch too ? Remember what Valve said about the last Left 4 Dead DLC ? They wanted to make it free for all of us who bought the game but Microsoft said no us loyal customers have to pay. You see it's nonsense. Good on the pirate community keep on keeping on just don't get caught !
but it's not just MS losing out is it? It's the guys and gals busting their guts out for 2 years on a game who are losing out and might end up losing their jobs through lost profits. pirates are scum, there's no excuse. can't afford a game? then don't buy it or get a better paying job.
Fair is fair if Microsoft insist upon treating it customers like garbage by trying to squeeze every last penny from it's customers then why shouldn't they feel the pinch too ? Remember what Valve said about the last Left 4 Dead DLC ? They wanted to make it free for all of us who bought the game but Microsoft said no us loyal customers have to pay. You see it's nonsense. Good on the pirate community keep on keeping on just don't get caught !
Cool. Why dont you tell me your address and tell me when your out and about and ill make my way over and rob you of all your possesions, i dont care if there big or small, ill take them all.
Glad to hear it. I got an email today saying my copy of Forza 3 has been dispatched and was worried that I might not be safe to play it if it arrives early.
Same here, was thinking about having to look at the box for a few days and not being able to play, well unless not connected to the internet
Glad to hear it. I got an email today saying my copy of Forza 3 has been dispatched and was worried that I might not be safe to play it if it arrives early.
If it's being sent by regular post you might not be playing it until next year the state Royal Fail is in
Hmmm so now applauding pirates is 'cool', slightly narrow view and one that meets no favour with those sensible enough to acknowledge that pirates are what ruin not only your game at home but how much you will pay for it in the shop. If we all became hacking scum tomorrow have a think how long our beloved industry will last?
Exactly so be glad and applaud the paying gaming public instead.
Here's the kicker though. How many of you buy games second hand?
For the industry its as bad as piracy. Devs and publishers don't get any money from it. Just like piracy and whats worse, is that its perfectly legal to do. The only saving grace is that originally someone had to buy a copy.
Then again that copy could be rebought several times over. Each time actually losing the company a sale.
Piracy on the other hand is an incredibly grey area, It's a complete misconception that every pirated/downloaded copy of something equates to a lost sale as many people will download something that they would otherwise never purchase. Similarily some people do download copies for the purposes of keeping thier original copies from harm or as a form of demoing before buying a legitimate copy to support the devs.
I blame the media pursonally, they take an incredibly complex issue like information rights and trivialise it for thier own ends.
Here's the kicker though. How many of you buy games second hand?
For the industry its as bad as piracy. Devs and publishers don't get any money from it. Just like piracy and whats worse, is that its perfectly legal to do. The only saving grace is that originally someone had to buy a copy.
Then again that copy could be rebought several times over. Each time actually losing the company a sale.
Piracy on the other hand is an incredibly grey area, It's a complete misconception that every pirated/downloaded copy of something equates to a lost sale as many people will download something that they would otherwise never purchase. Similarily some people do download copies for the purposes of keeping thier original copies from harm or as a form of demoing before buying a legitimate copy to support the devs.
I blame the media pursonally, they take an incredibly complex issue like information rights and trivialise it for thier own ends.
I feel the buying of second-hand copies of games seen as hurting games cindustry a bit of a wierd one. Car companies don't complain about people buying second-hand cars... or maybe I am looking at it wrong.
See... it's not just the PC games that get pirated
I feel the buying of second-hand copies of games seen as hurting games cindustry a bit of a wierd one. Car companies don't complain about people buying second-hand cars... or maybe I am looking at it wrong.
One car sold for new pretty much covers all of its manufacturing costs. One game sold for new doesn't.
Most new games I get are online, for about Ł35. I do also buy 2nd hand, because there might be games I wanted first time round but wasn't convinced to spend Ł40 on it because of negative reviews, etc. 2nd hand is fine. Best situation is, just make the games cheaper. Less profits for the company but so what, you'll probably make more cash back in a small period of time than a year later in the 2nd hand sales. All new games should be Ł30 IMO, that's a fair price.
As for the story, good that they're cracking down. Not really a problem for the PS3 with the Blu-Ray storage, but harder for the 360 because of the DVDs it uses.
The only Reason a LOT of people choose the lolbox360 is because they can get it FLASHED, I know this is true, So do microsoft and they dont give a toss, It's the developers and publishers that feel the pinch not microsoft.
I received Borderlands through the post this morning from Zavvi and it wasn't until after playing for an hour or so that i thought about the 'early play' banhammer MS have waiting.
After a quick google search i read his comments but it still isn't clear how they know if your copy of the game is legit or not. Are they going to just ban all early players and ask for proof of purchase after or what?
Two things for sure right now, first is that the game is awesome and second is that ive not been banned... yet.
The only Reason a LOT of people choose the lolbox360 is because they can get it FLASHED, I know this is true, So do microsoft and they dont give a toss, It's the developers and publishers that feel the pinch not microsoft.
Oh look another ps3 c**k being a troll on a 360 thread why dont you lot f**k off and get a life you sad little tossers or better still buy both consoles so your opinion actually counts
I feel the buying of second-hand copies of games seen as hurting games cindustry a bit of a wierd one. Car companies don't complain about people buying second-hand cars... or maybe I am looking at it wrong.
One car sold for new pretty much covers all of its manufacturing costs. One game sold for new doesn't.
That's not really true. What about the cost of designing the car and buying the equipment in the factory etc. - surely that's the equivelant of the resources developers put into creating a game in the first place.
If I had my way, anyone playing stolen software on modded a 360 would be issued court proceeding and be forced to pay fines or face custodial sentences for their crimes.
Piracy is a crime and everyone should realise this.
I feel the buying of second-hand copies of games seen as hurting games cindustry a bit of a wierd one. Car companies don't complain about people buying second-hand cars... or maybe I am looking at it wrong.
One car sold for new pretty much covers all of its manufacturing costs. One game sold for new doesn't.
That's not really true. What about the cost of designing the car and buying the equipment in the factory etc. - surely that's the equivelant of the resources developers put into creating a game in the first place.
I probably should've explained myself a little better but I was on the way out of work.
The cost of the manufacturing equipment is a one-off expense that is more in line with the costs of the DVD factory printing the disks the game comes on. The profit margins in a car are much bigger than those of a game too, which means they recoup any development costs a lot quicker. Plus the value of your average every-day car isn't in its development it's in its physical parts... The car itself. The value of a game is the license to use what's on the disk, not the actual disc itself. That's why I don't feel you can compare the second hand car market to the second hand games one. They're two totally different things.
Also you can't, say, borrow a friends car and make a copy of it or download one from the web and get all the benefits of owning one for free like you can a game.
I feel the buying of second-hand copies of games seen as hurting games cindustry a bit of a wierd one. Car companies don't complain about people buying second-hand cars... or maybe I am looking at it wrong.
One car sold for new pretty much covers all of its manufacturing costs. One game sold for new doesn't.
That's not really true. What about the cost of designing the car and buying the equipment in the factory etc. - surely that's the equivelant of the resources developers put into creating a game in the first place.
I probably should've explained myself a little better but I was on the way out of work.
The cost of the manufacturing equipment is a one-off expense that is more in line with the costs of the DVD factory printing the disks the game comes on. The profit margins in a car are much bigger than those of a game too, which means they recoup any development costs a lot quicker. Plus the value of your average every-day car isn't in its development it's in its physical parts... The car itself. The value of a game is the license to use what's on the disk, not the actual disc itself. That's why I don't feel you can compare the second hand car market to the second hand games one. They're two totally different things.
Also you can't, say, borrow a friends car and make a copy of it or download one from the web and get all the benefits of owning one for free like you can a game.
But the design of a car is a very expensive endevour and comparable to that of developing a game. Think of all the hardware in the car, all the systems, all the software for the on-board computer etc.
Anyways, enough of this otherwise we'll end up in an argument over the accuracy of an analogy which is a bit daft!
Piracy on the other hand is an incredibly grey area, It's a complete misconception that every pirated/downloaded copy of something equates to a lost sale as many people will download something that they would otherwise never purchase. Similarily some people do download copies for the purposes of keeping thier original copies from harm or as a form of demoing before buying a legitimate copy to support the devs.
I blame the media pursonally, they take an incredibly complex issue like information rights and trivialise it for thier own ends.
Indeed, I remember downloading the latest Metallica Album from Bit-Torrent becuase t was online a week before it was out in the shops. But once it was on sale I brought the CD from HMV. So just becuase I got an illegal version Metallica never lost out on a sale, I just wanted the album as early as I could!
Piracy on the other hand is an incredibly grey area, It's a complete misconception that every pirated/downloaded copy of something equates to a lost sale as many people will download something that they would otherwise never purchase. Similarily some people do download copies for the purposes of keeping thier original copies from harm or as a form of demoing before buying a legitimate copy to support the devs.
I blame the media pursonally, they take an incredibly complex issue like information rights and trivialise it for thier own ends.
Indeed, I remember downloading the latest Metallica Album from Bit-Torrent becuase t was online a week before it was out in the shops. But once it was on sale I brought the CD from HMV. So just becuase I got an illegal version Metallica never lost out on a sale, I just wanted the album as early as I could!
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