46,000 angry PC gamers are petitioning against Infinity Ward's decision to drop dedicated online servers from Modern Warfare 2.
Speaking to site BashandSlash, community man Robert Bowling revealed that the PC sequel would be opting for a console-like matchmaking system via IfinityWard.net rather than the traditional option, thus sending the community absolutely loopy.
"WHAT THE f***!!!! This is such bullshit. This is taking XBL putting on PC and saying have fun. If IW.net sucks ill say bye bye to MW2 and hello CoD4," posted one pleasant Call of Duty fan, who's among 46,054 people petitioning against the decision.
Another angry PC gamer vented his displeasure through a YouTube video, which you can see below:
There is some good news for PC gamers from Infinity Ward though, as the developer reiterated that Modern Warfare 2 has not been delayed on the platform (original story). We doubt that'll calm down the angry forum threads though, somehow.
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Personally I'm buying MW2 for the same reason I bought CoD4: the single player campaign. However, I see little benefit to PC gamers of MW2 when they have to rely on a closed system to run multiplayer game sessions (I guess LAN parties are out then?). When will developers and publishers whom are so eager to micro-control seemingly everything and anything, finally accept that the PC gaming crowd tends to be highly individualistic and does not want to be shoe horned in to a console approach of "one-size-fits-all"?
I hope IW and Activision catch holy hell for this latest transgression if they don't ease up and/or provide concrete, *desired* benefits for the customers. If it isn't broken then why try and "fix" it? Smells like another attempt at trying to control a market share and potentially milk it in the future.
DICE has reported that they are puzzled by this decision from IW, and have (correctly) pointed out that the open nature of dedicated serves often allows games to remain active and relevant years after they have any right to be.
IW always wanted to make modern first person shooter games and always wanted to be console based, not pc based as activision wanted them to be. Since they got their hands on making modern warfare and made it a hit on console, it's their choice to decide how the pc version should be as it was successful on console. They make more money from console anyway, Pc people are likely to download than buy while console people don't have a choice.
Over 40k of those people are pirates, p**sed that they won't be able to play a pirarated copy of this online. And the rest are the usual nerds raging who never back up their rage with actions.
As soon as this game starts getting rave reviews all these people with no back bones will be down the shops first in line to pick it up.
The internet is full of manbabies, once you realise that you no longer care what they have to say.
A lot of you don't fully understand why people are angry here, this system IW and consoles are using is like what PCs used way back in the 90s when online first took off for them, it's a step backwards. It's equivalent to if MS/Sony said we're going to use the Wii's online system from now on, dedicated servers is one reason why PC games have bigger games with more people online as well as more freedom with mods and such, this is in fact a very bizarre move.
A lot of you don't fully understand why people are angry here, this system IW and consoles are using is like what PCs used way back in the 90s when online first took off for them, it's a step backwards. It's equivalent to if MS/Sony said we're going to use the Wii's online system from now on, dedicated servers is one reason why PC games have bigger games with more people online as well as more freedom with mods and such, this is in fact a very bizarre move.
But surely, given that IW are the professionals who tend to know what they're doing, they wouldn't make this decision if it just wouldn't work.
If it works for consoles, then surely it's going to work for PCs given that it's exactly the same game.
And don't give me any of this "host bias" rubbish. I've very rarely had reason to complain in the nearly 7 years I've been using XBL. If you have the odd game where the connection is bad, get over it and just join a new one.
I actually played CS:S the other day as it happens, and dedicated servers aren't without their lag problems, it has to be said.
Tis indeed. I think it might have something to do with trying to stop some kind of mod scene happening with this game. Which would be a shame. I mean whats the point in buying the map packs if some guy in his bedroom has already pumped out better maps for free.
This would be a very bad move.
Although i didn't agree with the L4D petition i liked that they decided to be vocal and attempt some kind of dialogue with Valve. Shame console gamers don't do the same.
Can we not have any ignorant bashing of the PC crowd please, this is something I think they definitely should petition against. I signed it last night. It was 35k last night and has jumped to 48k as I write this. If a petition is ever going to make a differance, I think it will be this.
The system for MW was perfect really, I don't want them to mess with it.
Look, the issue is that dedicated servers enable a group of gamers - i.e. clans - to:
* get together easily,
* exclude kiddies, cheats, bunny-hoppers and other annoying scumbags from their games,
* control - or not - the language used, to enable recruitment to the clans, to have fun
* play on modded servers - i.e. hardcore only, custom weapons, custom sounds and enhancements etc., and * create and play on custom maps once the stock maps get stale - and after a couple of weeks/months, I assure you, they do get stale.
What will happen to all the small game service providers renting out servers? They'll go bust, more unemployed tecchies. All the mappers and modders will simply stick with known games, like W@W and COD4 etc.
It's a crap decision by IW, and only lessens the success of their game. Petition's almost reached 50,000 today. Let's hope IW listen.
Yeah I agree this sucks, PC online players and console online players have different expectations. You can get away without dedicated servers on console but its a must on PC. Its like telling PC players to play an FPS without mouseaim. I feel sorry for the PC players, of which I am one, although never intended to play this online anyway so at least its not bad news for me.
FFS, shut up whining...if you don't agree with their move then boycott it, not that they'll give a s**t as it's going to be brilliant and will sell by the bucket-load regardless, and this from someone who's an ardent PC gamer as well!
f**k up tony b. this petition is valid. instead of getting to check the ping, and the room - that you can sit in ALL day - you get a 'play' button that automatically ditches you in with some random twats... until the host drops the connection, probably before the match ends cause he's getting his little hole whipped.
great for console monkeys, on the pc, where this game was born... its an outright disgrace.
yesterday this petition was at 21k, so its growing fast.
also by tying it to steam it ensures DLC will need to be paid for. which was probably the reason behind this. activision at work again!! i'll be pirating this game and playing multiplayer over LAN if this is the case.
Look, the issue is that dedicated servers enable a group of gamers - i.e. clans - to:
* get together easily,
* exclude kiddies, cheats, bunny-hoppers and other annoying scumbags from their games,
* control - or not - the language used, to enable recruitment to the clans, to have fun
* play on modded servers - i.e. hardcore only, custom weapons, custom sounds and enhancements etc., and * create and play on custom maps once the stock maps get stale - and after a couple of weeks/months, I assure you, they do get stale.
What will happen to all the small game service providers renting out servers? They'll go bust, more unemployed tecchies. All the mappers and modders will simply stick with known games, like W@W and COD4 etc.
It's a crap decision by IW, and only lessens the success of their game. Petition's almost reached 50,000 today. Let's hope IW listen.
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Very good points made there. Strange decision by IW. So I guess MW2 at the 'I-Series' will have to connect to outside server then? That sounds completely daft.
lol at you children raging over this. You even managed to fill up Infinity Wards forum with porn all day yesterday, real classy bunch you lot are.
You deserve to be treated like **** from devs and the rest of the gaming community. For to long you've looked down your nose at console gamers while you pirated the **** out of games like COD4.
I couldn't be more happy with what's happening at the moment, you deserve nothing.
FFS, shut up whining...if you don't agree with their move then boycott it, not that they'll give a s**t as it's going to be brilliant and will sell by the bucket-load regardless, and this from someone who's an ardent PC gamer as well!
You clearly haven't understood why the PC gamers are angry, cus it's a valid reason. I'm not particularly angry myself, I just think it's a stupid decision that will make the multiplayer less enjoyable.
f**k up tony b. this petition is valid. instead of getting to check the ping, and the room - that you can sit in ALL day - you get a 'play' button that automatically ditches you in with some random twats... until the host drops the connection, probably before the match ends cause he's getting his little hole whipped.
great for console monkeys, on the pc, where this game was born... its an outright disgrace.
This? An outright disgrace?! If you react to this in this way I'd hate to see how you'd react if something that's actually important happens like Iran launching a nuke...
This move makes no sense at all. Dedicated servers are brilliant. They are the best way for clans to survive, with private servers for training, public ones for recruiting. They allow people to build up favourite server lists, to be part of communities. Look at CS:S, it wouldn't be half the game it is without all the mods and dedicated servers. What about custom maps, how are you meant to find them and share them?
The L4D petition was ridiculous, but this is very valid and the PC version should be boycotted.
f**k up tony b. this petition is valid. instead of getting to check the ping, and the room - that you can sit in ALL day - you get a 'play' button that automatically ditches you in with some random twats... until the host drops the connection, probably before the match ends cause he's getting his little hole whipped.
great for console monkeys, on the pc, where this game was born... its an outright disgrace.
This? An outright disgrace?! If you react to this in this way I'd hate to see how you'd react if something that's actually important happens like Iran launching a nuke...
this is a games forum you tosser. disgraces can happen on all types of levels, doesnt have to be some backward country trying to develop something weve had for 50 years.
Well there goes IW Christmas Number 1 spot... if it wasn't for PC gamers buying COD 1 and loving it you lot would be out of a job IW... Now this is how you repay back us PC gamers... f**k the console fan's what the f**k do they know...
Just to answer the piracy accusations, I can assure you that the vast majority of clan members and multiplayer afficionados buy legit games to play multiplayer with. This is because they want to join and run legit servers that are popular because there's no cheating or pirating scum on there.
Singleplayer games suffer more from piracy since there's no server checks etc needed.
you know, all you console only guys saying PC gamers are whining really dont get it, that's all I can say because you wont be able to wrap your brains around the facts.
This is a massive dick move, the 2nd big one after the merger (star craft's no LAN play being the 1st) and its starting to get really, really annoying. I think the title of biggest douchebag publisher has been fully taken from EA.
I won't be surprised if they announced that it will only be playable with the 360 controller and that resolutions will be locked at 1920X1080 at best.
f**k up tony b. this petition is valid. instead of getting to check the ping, and the room - that you can sit in ALL day - you get a 'play' button that automatically ditches you in with some random twats... until the host drops the connection, probably before the match ends cause he's getting his little hole whipped.
great for console monkeys, on the pc, where this game was born... its an outright disgrace.
This? An outright disgrace?! If you react to this in this way I'd hate to see how you'd react if something that's actually important happens like Iran launching a nuke...
this is a games forum you tosser. disgraces can happen on all types of levels, doesnt have to be some backward country trying to develop something weve had for 50 years.
IW have taken this decision rightly or wrongly and if you as PC gamers don't like it, don't f**king buy it, it's as simple as that!
They're a business, who believe it or not are allowed to make decisions for themselves, and not what the so called "PC community" thinks how it should be, moaning t**ts!!
signed it myself last night and it's gone past the 50,000 signatures mark already.
i wouldn't have batted an eyelid at this if i was still only gaming on the 360 and wii but the pc version of modern warfare won me over a few years back.
matchmaking is garbage compared to being able to browse servers and game types. i blame bungie for matchmaking being the norm these days.
also,a lack of mods will diminish mw2's lifespan on the pc greatly,that's partly why counter strike is still so popular all these years after launch.
the only people who think this is a good thing are the ones who don't know any better.
it looks like the pc version of mw2 is a gimped console port. tut tut infinity ward.
This is a ridiculous move, dedicated servers make online communities on PC. Considering they've already hiked the price up far more than any other PC game they're just asking for people to pirate it.
This makes me doubly sick. First the way that PC gamers are shafted yet again and secondly the way that some juvenile idiots on here immediately start flaming when PC Gamers feel (rightly) aggrieved.
Nick851 - your comments are insulting, inaccurate and unwanted. Most PC gamers do not pirate games and most PC gamers do not start ranting just because they like the sound it makes. Since the introduction of the PS3 and XBox360 (more than anything else) there has been a definite and continuous negative effect on PC gaming as a platform, caused by dev companies either being pushed into focusing on console versions exclusively or on modifying PC games to that they fit more neatly into the restrictive console parameters needed to release games across all platforms.
Piracy is always cited as the reason for this but piracy generally doesn't impact PC sales to any great degree and piracy also exists for console games as well. It is a convenient excuse to hide behind. The full details haven't been released but it would be interesting to know exactly what IW will be doing and how this will effect the COD PC community. It would also be interesting to know why their community manager deceived everyone last month when in an interview he stated that the PC multiplayer would be unchanged from previous games.
IW have taken this decision rightly or wrongly and if you as PC gamers don't like it, don't f**king buy it, it's as simple as that!
They're a business, who believe it or not are allowed to make decisions for themselves, and not what the so called "PC community" thinks how it should be, moaning t**ts!!
come back when you can afford a pc that can play something other than solitaire.
you dont have a clue what your talking about. call of duty is a pc game.
...great for console monkeys, on the pc, where this game was born... its an outright disgrace.
Have I missed something? When did your allegiance change from staunch PS3 fanboy to PC fanboy? How come now console users are "monkeys" when you have spent the last God-knows-how-long creaming over your PS3?
IW have taken this decision rightly or wrongly and if you as PC gamers don't like it, don't f**king buy it, it's as simple as that!
They're a business, who believe it or not are allowed to make decisions for themselves, and not what the so called "PC community" thinks how it should be, moaning t**ts!!
come back when you can afford a pc that can play something other than solitaire.
you dont have a clue what your talking about. call of duty is a pc game.
And you k**b-rash don't know anything about me or the systems I own.
I'm a f**king PC/Server engineer who builds kit from component level for both home users/gamers through to office Servers and myself own a "s**t hot" rig.
So before you start spouting out your usual s**te and making yourself look an even bigger pr1ck, think for once!
Then that makes you an even bigger idiot TonyB, as someone who knows about PCs and PC gaming you certainly should not be questioning the usefulness of dedicated servers.
Does anyone know whether this is IW's decision or Activision's?
All the people moaning about PC gamers being outraged should think for a moment about what would happen if the console versions of games had none of the features that they have come to expect for no apparent reason. No lock-on assist, no matchmaking, no party function etc.
At least there are still some developers out there who care about their community. I can see DICE taking IW crown over the next 2 years. Firstly, treating each platform individually (see Bad Company 2) and secondly, realising that a sequel to Battlefield 2 could only be given justice on PC.
In my opinion, if developers carry on following the path of ignoring PC gaming then the repercussions may be felt by all further down the line in years to come. There's already a lack of innovation in console gaming, with the majority of games relying on gimmicks. People don't appreciate the PC as a different kind of beast to consoles. Games are cheaper to make, including distribution, meaning that innovation can be attempted without as much a financial risk.
Lastly (big long rant I know), who owns the Modern Warfare (not Call of Duty) brand? I would love to see IW go either independent or bought out by EA. At least EA are attempting to change their image as corporate bast*rds whereas Activision aren't.
A lot of people on here with their panties in bunch over this...
Before everyone jumps to this or that conclusion, would it not be a better idea to actually see what IW do? I mean, the guys do know a thing or two about making cracking multiplayer games, right?
All you are doing is speculating as to what you will and won't be able to do without a dedicated server, without actually knowing what IW have in store.
Why is it that PC gamers feel the need to petition everything anyway? want to be careful with that, it's close to becoming a running joke. I didn't see console owners petitioning for Crysis for instance... and before anyone pipes up, it is running on consoles now thanks to Cry-Engine 3, my point is, what do PC owners believe they are owed over console owners so much that they have to constantly complain to the dev's of their favourite games?
Then that makes you an even bigger idiot TonyB, as someone who knows about PCs and PC gaming you certainly should not be questioning the usefulness of dedicated servers.
I couldn't give a s**t about dedicated PC gaming Servers either way as from a professional point-of-view they are probably less than 0.01% in terms of actual sales for my company.
What I do care about, or should that be, am sick of, is the bleeding heart, hard done to PC community that become gaming martyrs every time something happens that they don't agree with.
it was the 360 crowd who invented a boycott for L4D - because they were releasing a sequel.
if you played multiplayer on pc you'd know the difference between setting up a good game, and being flung into a random one.
no clan servers, no mods. thats the backbone of pc FPS games - that keep them going for years and years. UT99 is going on strong because of this. thats a decade.
I don't care, it'll still be better than the console versions.
Just like L4D, the 360 version is p**s poor compared to the PC version, they get no mods, no free online play and no free maps...
the reason, sadly, why they done this is so the pc doesnt get free maps or mods now.
activison consolizing the pc crowd for extra profit. it will only serve the pirates though. greedy f**ks. as if pushing the price of a standard game up wasnt enough.
it was the 360 crowd who invented a boycott for L4D - because they were releasing a sequel.
if you played multiplayer on pc you'd know the difference between setting up a good game, and being flung into a random one.
no clan servers, no mods. thats the backbone of pc FPS games - that keep them going for years and years. UT99 is going on strong because of this. thats a decade.
it was the 360 crowd who invented a boycott for L4D - because they were releasing a sequel.
if you played multiplayer on pc you'd know the difference between setting up a good game, and being flung into a random one.
no clan servers, no mods. thats the backbone of pc FPS games - that keep them going for years and years. UT99 is going on strong because of this. thats a decade.
If they made it so that there was no matchmaking on consoles and you had to rent a server from Activison then the console owners would go mental. Yet when they change the whole way online gaming is played on the pc in a very bad way, it's ok.
Anyone who is a console gamer who used to play on pc is wishing that the consoles adopt the pc system of dedicated servers, mods and communities. PC servers have mods and admins who can punish team killers and ban hackers, who can pick the next map via votes. And what do Activison do, they do it the other way round and take the brilliant pc system and replace it with the simplified console system.
...great for console monkeys, on the pc, where this game was born... its an outright disgrace.
Have I missed something? When did your allegiance change from staunch PS3 fanboy to PC fanboy? How come now console users are "monkeys" when you have spent the last God-knows-how-long creaming over your PS3?
svd you have some good points but man you really got to calm down. I myself am also super passionate abt this stuff and in my head im thinking abt things 10x worse than what you're posting but we gotta hold off sometimes.
The PC is the best platform and I was one of those people who thought consoles were the future but then i got my 1st high end rig and now I can see how retarded I was. I gotta bring out the cliched "ignorance is bliss" phrase as it applies really well here. How can PC gaming be better if 90% of you havent played on a good PC?
Steam's only been around since 2003, UT99 has been around since... 1999. Pretty sure Digital Extremes did not release a game on a system that hadn't been invented yet
But I can appreciate what they're all complaining about - half the fun of PC gaming (especially FPS) is modding. And having your own dedi-server running whatever mod(s) you want to run.
Why take something out of the new game that's worked perfectly well up until now? Seems a bit dumb.
A lot of you don't fully understand why people are angry here, this system IW and consoles are using is like what PCs used way back in the 90s when online first took off for them, it's a step backwards. It's equivalent to if MS/Sony said we're going to use the Wii's online system from now on, dedicated servers is one reason why PC games have bigger games with more people online as well as more freedom with mods and such, this is in fact a very bizarre move.
But surely, given that IW are the professionals who tend to know what they're doing, they wouldn't make this decision if it just wouldn't work.
If it works for consoles, then surely it's going to work for PCs given that it's exactly the same game.
And don't give me any of this "host bias" rubbish. I've very rarely had reason to complain in the nearly 7 years I've been using XBL. If you have the odd game where the connection is bad, get over it and just join a new one.
I actually played CS:S the other day as it happens, and dedicated servers aren't without their lag problems, it has to be said.
This presumes that IW and Activision actually have PC gamers' interests at heart. That's a big "if", IMO, so even if IW presumably have a clue about these matters, that does not automatically translate in to them doing right by the customers.
True, dedicated servers are not devoid of lag at all times, however as I mentioned previously, if it isn't broken - and as Izo pointed out, if you then end up going backwards tech wise - then why "fix" it?
Tis indeed. I think it might have something to do with trying to stop some kind of mod scene happening with this game. Which would be a shame. I mean whats the point in buying the map packs if some guy in his bedroom has already pumped out better maps for free.
This would be a very bad move.
Although i didn't agree with the L4D petition i liked that they decided to be vocal and attempt some kind of dialogue with Valve. Shame console gamers don't do the same.
Precisely. I suspect this is a pre-emptive move to muscle in on yet another perceived revenue source. Personally you would have to pay me to pay for an online map (and what you pay me has to be a certain amount more than what the maps cost)!
f**k up tony b. this petition is valid. instead of getting to check the ping, and the room - that you can sit in ALL day - you get a 'play' button that automatically ditches you in with some random twats... until the host drops the connection, probably before the match ends cause he's getting his little hole whipped.
great for console monkeys, on the pc, where this game was born... its an outright disgrace.
yesterday this petition was at 21k, so its growing fast.
also by tying it to steam it ensures DLC will need to be paid for. which was probably the reason behind this. activision at work again!! i'll be pirating this game and playing multiplayer over LAN if this is the case.
Holy s**tballs! Svd, you and I are in complete agreement for once!
lol at you children raging over this. You even managed to fill up Infinity Wards forum with porn all day yesterday, real classy bunch you lot are.
You deserve to be treated like **** from devs and the rest of the gaming community. For to long you've looked down your nose at console gamers while you pirated the **** out of games like COD4.
I couldn't be more happy with what's happening at the moment, you deserve nothing.
Mmmm. I love the smell of the PC crowd's online napalm in the morning...and in the afternoon...and in the evening! In particular, I love the fact that try as they may neither developers nor publishers can control us and are routinely humiliated in their efforts to extend control over us. Talk about being counter-productive.
f**k up tony b. this petition is valid. instead of getting to check the ping, and the room - that you can sit in ALL day - you get a 'play' button that automatically ditches you in with some random twats... until the host drops the connection, probably before the match ends cause he's getting his little hole whipped.
great for console monkeys, on the pc, where this game was born... its an outright disgrace.
This? An outright disgrace?! If you react to this in this way I'd hate to see how you'd react if something that's actually important happens like Iran launching a nuke...
Pish posh, Altitude! That one's easy enough: You launch as many nukes as it will take to level all of Iran in one fell swoop.
Lastly (big long rant I know), who owns the Modern Warfare (not Call of Duty) brand? I would love to see IW go either independent or bought out by EA. At least EA are attempting to change their image as corporate bast*rds whereas Activision aren't.
I hope for IW sake they do split from activison and dont get taken over by EA, they are worse imo.....never had a game run smoothly online by EA and probably never will.
IW have taken this decision rightly or wrongly and if you as PC gamers don't like it, don't f**king buy it, it's as simple as that!
They're a business, who believe it or not are allowed to make decisions for themselves, and not what the so called "PC community" thinks how it should be, moaning t**ts!!
Remember those words when the shoe is on the other foot, Tony.
I bet 90% of these PC petition signing gamers buy the game regardless. The rest will either pirate it or never had any intention of purchasing it in the first place.
I'd also bet Infinity Ward don't change their stance on this. While the company obviously cares to please it's customers I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing with this decision.
Perhaps this was another plot by a PC gamer to be invited to the developers HQ for an early blast on the game!
As has been pointed out previously, if you're really unhappy with a game then simply don't buy it. Maybe some of the community feel developers shouldn't release games unless it's met with their approval. With a major piracy problem, the hassle of hardware compatability, the reduction of the PC market and the expanding games market partly due to consoles, whiney PC gamers aren't doing themselves, or fellow PC gamers an favours. The PC is not the dominent system now. PC gamers are the minority (for most games). Perhaps petitions to control the future of MMORPG might work, but I don't think they'll ever impact on games that are console led.
A lot of people on here with their panties in bunch over this...
Before everyone jumps to this or that conclusion, would it not be a better idea to actually see what IW do? I mean, the guys do know a thing or two about making cracking multiplayer games, right?
All you are doing is speculating as to what you will and won't be able to do without a dedicated server, without actually knowing what IW have in store.
Why is it that PC gamers feel the need to petition everything anyway? want to be careful with that, it's close to becoming a running joke. I didn't see console owners petitioning for Crysis for instance... and before anyone pipes up, it is running on consoles now thanks to Cry-Engine 3, my point is, what do PC owners believe they are owed over console owners so much that they have to constantly complain to the dev's of their favourite games?
Fair enough, however I will point out that the console cousins do seem far more placid and willing to take whatever the industry gives them (or withholds!). Why this is a positive thing I'm not sure, and personally I will sign the petition sometime today in order to show some solidarity with my PC brethren - many of whom I'm likely to disagree with on a number of things - but none of whom I think ought to see their customer options undermined.
First a price hike, and now this for PC gamers. Nice customer service, although I suppose with a series such as C.O.D under your belt, only beggers can't be choosers.
Hmmm harsh as it is this is a classic case of company vs priates/free loaders trying to get stuff for free. If the PC community is unable to regulate/control itself then suppliers to this market have no option other than look to protect their interests by moving away from dedicated servers. How this is not legitimate or fair not least understandable is beyond me. If I created a product and people come in like scum and pilfer it off for free then I would do everything in my power to stop that. The PC community is not and should not be immune to this regardless of how 'special' they think they are, you are just consumers nothing more so live with it as no amount of bleating like babies will either lever favour nor encourage sympathy.
Oh and as for the comment about PC gamers been somehow superior because PC's are expensive lets leave the dick measuring to football sites, my Apple business set up costs a fortune but games go on the XBox end of.
I bet 90% of these PC petition signing gamers buy the game regardless. The rest will either pirate it or never had any intention of purchasing it in the first place.
I'd also bet Infinity Ward don't change their stance on this. While the company obviously cares to please it's customers I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing with this decision.
Perhaps this was another plot by a PC gamer to be invited to the developers HQ for an early blast on the game!
As has been pointed out previously, if you're really unhappy with a game then simply don't buy it. Maybe some of the community feel developers shouldn't release games unless it's met with their approval. With a major piracy problem, the hassle of hardware compatability, the reduction of the PC market and the expanding games market partly due to consoles, whiney PC gamers aren't doing themselves, or fellow PC gamers an favours. The PC is not the dominent system now. PC gamers are the minority (for most games). Perhaps petitions to control the future of MMORPG might work, but I don't think they'll ever impact on games that are console led.
I have MW2 pre-ordered and intend on seeing that purchase through, however I will sign the petition in the hopes that it clearly sends a message to IW that this is not sitting too well with many of their PC supporters, and that hopefully IW will rescind. Since I'm buying MW2 for the single player campaign and not multiplayer I won't be directely affected immediately, but others will be and what if this were to become a trend? No, I will use peaceful means this time. The next time who knows? Afterall, apparently piracy is the sole cause of all PC troubles according to these monkeys in suits....
P.S. While the PC platform may not be the one the always sells the most of a given title (there are exceptions), it is the leading platform for games design. In other words, some of what happens on the PC trickles down to the consoles. The PC isn't going away in regards to gaming, and most certainly not in regards to business and productivity in the modern workplace.
I bet 90% of these PC petition signing gamers buy the game regardless. The rest will either pirate it or never had any intention of purchasing it in the first place.
I'd also bet Infinity Ward don't change their stance on this. While the company obviously cares to please it's customers I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing with this decision.
Perhaps this was another plot by a PC gamer to be invited to the developers HQ for an early blast on the game!
As has been pointed out previously, if you're really unhappy with a game then simply don't buy it. Maybe some of the community feel developers shouldn't release games unless it's met with their approval. With a major piracy problem, the hassle of hardware compatability, the reduction of the PC market and the expanding games market partly due to consoles, whiney PC gamers aren't doing themselves, or fellow PC gamers an favours. The PC is not the dominent system now. PC gamers are the minority (for most games). Perhaps petitions to control the future of MMORPG might work, but I don't think they'll ever impact on games that are console led.
the petition signers didnt say they wouldnt buy the game. they are showing their dismay.
all the people who signed the petition would have paid for the game. its difficult to play a pc game online without a cd-key. (not impossible) but for a game you are going to invest in heavily (time wise) then it is more than worth it - talking away dedicated servers makes it much less worth it.
Hmmm harsh as it is this is a classic case of company vs priates/free loaders trying to get stuff for free. If the PC community is unable to regulate/control itself then suppliers to this market have no option other than look to protect their interests by moving away from dedicated servers. How this is not legitimate or fair not least understandable is beyond me. If I created a product and people come in like scum and pilfer it off for free then I would do everything in my power to stop that. The PC community is not and should not be immune to this regardless of how 'special' they think they are, you are just consumers nothing more so live with it as no amount of bleating like babies will either lever favour nor encourage sympathy.
Oh and as for the comment about PC gamers been somehow superior because PC's are expensive lets leave the dick measuring to football sites, my Apple business set up costs a fortune but games go on the XBox end of.
Right...
So the idea is that PC gamers deserve this because you and other small minded people paint everyone with the same brush? Not so long ago console only users were complaining about certain 'exclusives' going multiplatform, satying it wasn't fair. The difference here is that this may have a detrimental effect on how the game plays. If this new IWnet service is poor then people who paid for the game, some solely for the multiplayer aspect, will have a product that doesn't work as good as it should.
@ SVD: you're right about having the game linked to Steam means people will have to buy the DLC as mods are not an option. Surely though, competition between IW and modders is good in that it gets people to make an effort to create better maps? The CoD4 map pack was dreadful.
Wasn't it with Portal that the developers were originally modders before being picked up by Valve after seeing a demo/prototype of concept? How would console owners have enjoyed that without PC modders?
Hmmm harsh as it is this is a classic case of company vs priates/free loaders trying to get stuff for free. If the PC community is unable to regulate/control itself then suppliers to this market have no option other than look to protect their interests by moving away from dedicated servers. How this is not legitimate or fair not least understandable is beyond me. If I created a product and people come in like scum and pilfer it off for free then I would do everything in my power to stop that. The PC community is not and should not be immune to this regardless of how 'special' they think they are, you are just consumers nothing more so live with it as no amount of bleating like babies will either lever favour nor encourage sympathy.
Oh and as for the comment about PC gamers been somehow superior because PC's are expensive lets leave the dick measuring to football sites, my Apple business set up costs a fortune but games go on the XBox end of.
While we're at it, how about we air all of the piracy that's going on? PC and console wise. To date it seems only the PS3 has gone largely unscathed. Piracy is such an easy and tired whipping horse, and it's been beaten to death. If the industry wants to take away my rights and my user options then they are going to have to come up with some verifiable hard evidence...which they should have plenty of since they claim piracy is clearly the biggest problem of all, right? I'm calling bulls**t on this one.
They'll dress it up as a means to prevent piracy, and maybe that is part of it, but ultimately I strongly suspect this is simply another money grab and it only benefits the companies involved. Not the customers.
P.S. "Bleating" about this, as you so kindly put it, may not end up with desired results, yet I can guarantee you that not "bleating" up over this is infinitely more likely not to achieve the desired changes. Apparently you are not willing to stand up for yourself nor the things you cherish. I feel sorry for you.
I just signed the signature, simply because what Infinity Ward are trying to do is both stupid and wrong.
It's not so much the fact that it's another ruler rapped on the knuckles of PC gamers that annoys me, more it's the whole "so you want to play your game this way? Well actually we think you should play it that way."
When are developers going to realise that you can't treat one game in the same manner on all platforms? IW haven't tried to release this on the Wii with the current graphics engine, or with X360 controls. And they haven't tried to crowbar the Xbox LIVE system onto the PS3. I mean for f**k's sake the games are made on PC, is it really that hard to make them suitable for that platform?
Multi-platform releases should be designed to get the most out of each platform, not designed to work well with one and then slapped half-bottomdly onto the rest.
Moose, No it is not tarnishing all PC gamers with the same brush but as we know it only takes 1 pirate to undo the honest intentions of 100,000 gamers, IW/Activision clearly see this issue as significant enough to adopt such a strategy, my point is that regardless of how fair it is/isn't the move is in direct response to them loosing money.
Hmmm harsh as it is this is a classic case of company vs priates/free loaders trying to get stuff for free. If the PC community is unable to regulate/control itself then suppliers to this market have no option other than look to protect their interests by moving away from dedicated servers. How this is not legitimate or fair not least understandable is beyond me. If I created a product and people come in like scum and pilfer it off for free then I would do everything in my power to stop that. The PC community is not and should not be immune to this regardless of how 'special' they think they are, you are just consumers nothing more so live with it as no amount of bleating like babies will either lever favour nor encourage sympathy.
Oh and as for the comment about PC gamers been somehow superior because PC's are expensive lets leave the dick measuring to football sites, my Apple business set up costs a fortune but games go on the XBox end of.
While we're at it, how about we air all of the piracy that's going on? PC and console wise. To date it seems only the PS3 has gone largely unscathed. Piracy is such an easy and tired whipping horse, and it's been beaten to death. If the industry wants to take away my rights and my user options then they are going to have to come up with some verifiable hard evidence...which they should have plenty of since they claim piracy is clearly the biggest problem of all, right? I'm calling bulls**t on this one.
They'll dress it up as a means to prevent piracy, and maybe that is part of it, but ultimately I strongly suspect this is simply another money grab and it only benefits the companies involved. Not the customers.
P.S. "Bleating" about this, as you so kindly put it, may not end up with desired results, yet I can guarantee you that not "bleating" up over this is infinitely more likely not to achieve the desired changes. Apparently you are not willing to stand up for yourself nor the things you cherish. I feel sorry for you.
Oh please KFD deflect your pity elsewhere it is not needed here. Piracy is a big problem and your attempts to bypass it's legitimacy in this argument is pathetic, particuarly when you replace it with the even more repeated chimes of poor consumer vs corporate company. Every system suffers from piracy and has for as long as I can remember, the Pc because of it's makeup is perhaps more affected by this, the 360 is hackable too however this is a moot point because if there was no problem with COD on the PC then there would be no fire, i.e. no need to limit the server usage.
If indeed you were right and hackers priates or whatever did not exist or at least were not 'that serious a problem' then this action would not have been taken, to hide behind the poor consumer label is shortsighted to say the least, a comment more akin to your pirating ally Mr SVD.
Let me say that being a console gamer, I dont completely understand why the pc gamers are so upset. Im sure the game will be just fine with the matchmaking servers they will use. Its not that bad on the console. But again, I have read your comments and understand that you dont want to be forced into a console gaming situation. I agree that it is wrong for IW and/or Activision to do that to you. As everyone else has said, its probably just another way for them to make more profit on the game. But it seems as though IW has already made the decision and with the game coming out in a few weeks, being on here and complaining isnt going to do you any good. Im sure the game will be just as good as COD4, even without the dedicated servers. But that is only my opinion.
Boycott the game, dont buy it. Try and show IW and Activision through sales that you are unahppy with it. But if you all buy the game anyways, they are going to come to the conclusion that even though you were unhappy about the decision, you still bought the game. Being on here complaining isnt going to do much of anything.
And to clarify the bleating I referred to is on this thread not the petition, not really sure people from Activision or IW will be checking here thus your complaints are rather futile.
f**k up tony b. this petition is valid. instead of getting to check the ping, and the room - that you can sit in ALL day - you get a 'play' button that automatically ditches you in with some random twats... until the host drops the connection, probably before the match ends cause he's getting his little hole whipped.
great for console monkeys, on the pc, where this game was born... its an outright disgrace.
This? An outright disgrace?! If you react to this in this way I'd hate to see how you'd react if something that's actually important happens like Iran launching a nuke...
Pish posh, Altitude! That one's easy enough: You launch as many nukes as it will take to level all of Iran in one fell swoop.
I find it a touch upsetting that many off the comments here (mainly by the console crowd) are so severly misinformed. please at least play a damn PC game before you come on here flaming, and at least go and look at the transcrip or listen to the cast so you know what you are saying when you accuse P gamers of bleating! I play both console and pc and as a dedicated PC gamer of over 15 years this is simply another attempted nail in the PC coffin and I for one am dismayed at this decision aimed at eeking more money out of ALL gamers console and pc alike. Lets look at some of the main points that have been discussed and what was said in the cast
Piracy? Piracy was only a small reason for going to IW.NET - not the whole reason.
Modding and lost revenue to current server operators? Modding the game is now very much in question. Fourzerotwo had no info on modding. However, it appears that there will be no community mods or maps for MW2. GSP's will no longer be renting out servers.
Clans? No more clan servers. Private matches, replace clan servers.
not only is this a kick for clan gaming which in the long term WILL hit IW's revenue stream this also impacts on current server operators and their staff. And all you console gamers thinking we are whining?? when you eventually have to pay for every single little download for the game you will eventually have to pay Ł50 for due to market controls, well come back to us then and tell us we were right!
Hmmm harsh as it is this is a classic case of company vs priates/free loaders trying to get stuff for free. If the PC community is unable to regulate/control itself then suppliers to this market have no option other than look to protect their interests by moving away from dedicated servers. How this is not legitimate or fair not least understandable is beyond me. If I created a product and people come in like scum and pilfer it off for free then I would do everything in my power to stop that. The PC community is not and should not be immune to this regardless of how 'special' they think they are, you are just consumers nothing more so live with it as no amount of bleating like babies will either lever favour nor encourage sympathy.
Oh and as for the comment about PC gamers been somehow superior because PC's are expensive lets leave the dick measuring to football sites, my Apple business set up costs a fortune but games go on the XBox end of.
While we're at it, how about we air all of the piracy that's going on? PC and console wise. To date it seems only the PS3 has gone largely unscathed. Piracy is such an easy and tired whipping horse, and it's been beaten to death. If the industry wants to take away my rights and my user options then they are going to have to come up with some verifiable hard evidence...which they should have plenty of since they claim piracy is clearly the biggest problem of all, right? I'm calling bulls**t on this one.
They'll dress it up as a means to prevent piracy, and maybe that is part of it, but ultimately I strongly suspect this is simply another money grab and it only benefits the companies involved. Not the customers.
P.S. "Bleating" about this, as you so kindly put it, may not end up with desired results, yet I can guarantee you that not "bleating" up over this is infinitely more likely not to achieve the desired changes. Apparently you are not willing to stand up for yourself nor the things you cherish. I feel sorry for you.
Oh please KFD deflect your pity elsewhere it is not needed here. Piracy is a big problem and your attempts to bypass it's legitimacy in this argument is pathetic, particuarly when you replace it with the even more repeated chimes of poor consumer vs corporate company. Every system suffers from piracy and has for as long as I can remember, the Pc because of it's makeup is perhaps more affected by this, the 360 is hackable too however this is a moot point because if there was no problem with COD on the PC then there would be no fire, i.e. no need to limit the server usage.
If indeed you were right and hackers priates or whatever did not exist or at least were not 'that serious a problem' then this action would not have been taken, to hide behind the poor consumer label is shortsighted to say the least, a comment more akin to your pirating ally Mr SVD.
That is something neither of us are likely never to know the full truth behind. Perhaps you are willing to trust the companies on this occassion. I am not. Piracy exists, I'm certain and it likely does cause some lost sales yet the billions in lost revenue that various companies howl about appear to be founded on speculation and not facts. Any half wit who passed grammar school can do that. They have yet to make a substantive case and like JoWoo, these meddling attempts to dictate to me how I should play a game (where it does not pertain to the actual game content,) is one of the surest ways to ensure maximum resistance and lingering resentment.
It's methods like these, that have turned me from being an anti-pirate to cheering them on from the sidelines because they appear to be the only ones who can take the bastard companies on in their own game and win. Are all pirates heroes then? Not in my book, but when there's little to distinguish the companies from the pirates in terms of behaviour then one side has betrayed the tenets it proclaims to represent; that's not the case of the pirates whose namesake makes it abundantly clear which tenets they uphold.
As for the argument that removing dedicated server functions curtails piracy, yeah for online gaming maybe. Not for the single player version. So not only have IW not ensured that their game won't be pirated, they've also gone and p**sed off a lot of fans some of whom may now decided to pirate the game instead of buying it. Bravo.
And to clarify the bleating I referred to is on this thread not the petition, not really sure people from Activision or IW will be checking here thus your complaints are rather futile.
If the intention were to get my comments here read by IW/Activions, then yes. However, since I will be signing the petition, they will receive it that way and the posts on here may end up persuading and/or informing other gamers to join in the backlash. If just one other person comes away from this posts determined to push back, then it has not been futile. Not at all.
Let me say that being a console gamer, I dont completely understand why the pc gamers are so upset. Im sure the game will be just fine with the matchmaking servers they will use. Its not that bad on the console. But again, I have read your comments and understand that you dont want to be forced into a console gaming situation. I agree that it is wrong for IW and/or Activision to do that to you. As everyone else has said, its probably just another way for them to make more profit on the game. But it seems as though IW has already made the decision and with the game coming out in a few weeks, being on here and complaining isnt going to do you any good. Im sure the game will be just as good as COD4, even without the dedicated servers. But that is only my opinion.
Boycott the game, dont buy it. Try and show IW and Activision through sales that you are unahppy with it. But if you all buy the game anyways, they are going to come to the conclusion that even though you were unhappy about the decision, you still bought the game. Being on here complaining isnt going to do much of anything.
Then I hope this game gets pirated to hell and back again twice. And maybe the next time IW or Activision release a game I want for the PC, I may decide to consider my options of acquisition more carefully.
Hmmm harsh as it is this is a classic case of company vs priates/free loaders trying to get stuff for free. If the PC community is unable to regulate/control itself then suppliers to this market have no option other than look to protect their interests by moving away from dedicated servers. How this is not legitimate or fair not least understandable is beyond me. If I created a product and people come in like scum and pilfer it off for free then I would do everything in my power to stop that. The PC community is not and should not be immune to this regardless of how 'special' they think they are, you are just consumers nothing more so live with it as no amount of bleating like babies will either lever favour nor encourage sympathy.
Oh and as for the comment about PC gamers been somehow superior because PC's are expensive lets leave the dick measuring to football sites, my Apple business set up costs a fortune but games go on the XBox end of.
While we're at it, how about we air all of the piracy that's going on? PC and console wise. To date it seems only the PS3 has gone largely unscathed. Piracy is such an easy and tired whipping horse, and it's been beaten to death. If the industry wants to take away my rights and my user options then they are going to have to come up with some verifiable hard evidence...which they should have plenty of since they claim piracy is clearly the biggest problem of all, right? I'm calling bulls**t on this one.
They'll dress it up as a means to prevent piracy, and maybe that is part of it, but ultimately I strongly suspect this is simply another money grab and it only benefits the companies involved. Not the customers.
P.S. "Bleating" about this, as you so kindly put it, may not end up with desired results, yet I can guarantee you that not "bleating" up over this is infinitely more likely not to achieve the desired changes. Apparently you are not willing to stand up for yourself nor the things you cherish. I feel sorry for you.
Oh please KFD deflect your pity elsewhere it is not needed here. Piracy is a big problem and your attempts to bypass it's legitimacy in this argument is pathetic, particuarly when you replace it with the even more repeated chimes of poor consumer vs corporate company. Every system suffers from piracy and has for as long as I can remember, the Pc because of it's makeup is perhaps more affected by this, the 360 is hackable too however this is a moot point because if there was no problem with COD on the PC then there would be no fire, i.e. no need to limit the server usage.
If indeed you were right and hackers priates or whatever did not exist or at least were not 'that serious a problem' then this action would not have been taken, to hide behind the poor consumer label is shortsighted to say the least, a comment more akin to your pirating ally Mr SVD.
But surely, given that IW are the professionals who tend to know what they're doing, they wouldn't make this decision if it just wouldn't work.
If it works for consoles, then surely it's going to work for PCs given that it's exactly the same game.
And don't give me any of this "host bias" rubbish. I've very rarely had reason to complain in the nearly 7 years I've been using XBL. If you have the odd game where the connection is bad, get over it and just join a new one.
I actually played CS:S the other day as it happens, and dedicated servers aren't without their lag problems, it has to be said.
How about if Nintendo's lackluster system works for Wii online then it can work for PS3/360, start to see the point now, this person lays out a few points straight.
Look, the issue is that dedicated servers enable a group of gamers - i.e. clans - to:
* get together easily,
* exclude kiddies, cheats, bunny-hoppers and other annoying scumbags from their games,
* control - or not - the language used, to enable recruitment to the clans, to have fun
* play on modded servers - i.e. hardcore only, custom weapons, custom sounds and enhancements etc., and * create and play on custom maps once the stock maps get stale - and after a couple of weeks/months, I assure you, they do get stale.
What will happen to all the small game service providers renting out servers? They'll go bust, more unemployed tecchies. All the mappers and modders will simply stick with known games, like W@W and COD4 etc.
Anyone PC gaming for ages will know why this is such an issue Altitude, Live is good for consoles but backwards for PC and I'm a console gamer as well as a PC one.
Dedicated Servers are the basis for competitive play.
i've played CS:S since release and you can't play a match without a dedicated server.
COD4 on the PC, 90 % of the leagues require you have access to a Dedicated Server.
Not only are Dedicated good for clans(being able to get matches on a set server). Dedicated servers are good for Controling, putting in your own 'rules' if you will. Also, if you know a server is good you add it to favourites and go there. For example if you had a server you like the social aspect of, you add it to favourites and make it your 'local' - however with this new system, there is none of that. This is indeed a huge step backwards for the PC. I don't know if this is a technical descion by IW or a Lazy route. either way, it shouldn't be like this!
Now, someone above said that Dedicated Servers have their own problems. Surely IW's method of people hosting their own games is worse...
Online petitions are for sissies, if you feel that strongly about some kind of ‘outrage’ then perhaps you should strap yourself in semtex, or another household made explosive alternative, go to the head office of the company your rage is directed at, and force them to make such changes that will make you happy. Then blow yourself up anyway for the sheer f**k of it. Or perhaps get a steak bake from Greggs and shut the f**k up as you’re owed nothing.
Just to make a point of my annoyance of no Dedicated Server( i rarely play any non-arcade PC games online that dont have dedicated server support ) and the fact that they've hiked up the price on the PC version also( along with the console versions ), i wont buy this unless its in the bargain bin.
Either way im not bothered, i liked CoD4 but not that much for the hassle and fair dues to DICE for speaking up and to show theyre grateful for the longevity of their games due to dedicated servers/mods( of course Activision dont want this, theyre the new EA and will be churning out the next CoD next year etc. )
If they made it so that there was no matchmaking on consoles and you had to rent a server from Activison then the console owners would go mental. Yet when they change the whole way online gaming is played on the pc in a very bad way, it's ok.
Anyone who is a console gamer who used to play on pc is wishing that the consoles adopt the pc system of dedicated servers, mods and communities. PC servers have mods and admins who can punish team killers and ban hackers, who can pick the next map via votes. And what do Activison do, they do it the other way round and take the brilliant pc system and replace it with the simplified console system.
Why all the hate? I mean, you're just poeple who prefer to play their games in different ways, does that mean you're not as good as one another?
Sorry to be all 'why can't we all just get along?' but have you sat and read this entire stream of comments top to bottom in one go? It's so hateful!
I'm a pc gamer, it is my prefered platform and I don't like this move by IW but this their own doing, for whatever reasons. Why must a platform war be started? I think ultimately we're all suffering from this because it's just a company doing what it wants and disregarding the players. It can be pc gamers now but console gamers have seen their share of grief.
I really don't think this is just a few people having a small complaint now.
Oh and the PS3 is soooo much better than the xbox!!!!
See console players, you always get hot under the collar when someone berates your console type, but we PC gamers don't spam your forums. Shows what an unenlightened bunch you are.
You pathetic little console f**ks can shut the f**k up right now. dont open your traps until you know anything on the subject. Infinity Ward are f**king us over even though they used us as a stepping stone into the mainstream river of s**t which every developer seems to be reaching for. we deserve better than you c**ts regardless and we dont want some s**tty match-making system like the ones you have to live by - which ultimately makes console gaming as s**t as it is.
We see you as nothing more than a bunch of obese, squeaky voiced 12 year old little f****ts who sit there screaming down your stupid xbox microphones at each other like a set of f**king chimpanzees.
You think were butthurt about infinity ward? not a chance - the pc gaming community have single-handedly made some of the best games to date, no developer involved.
Let me say that being a console gamer, I dont completely understand why the pc gamers are so upset. Im sure the game will be just fine with the matchmaking servers they will use. Its not that bad on the console. But again, I have read your comments and understand that you dont want to be forced into a console gaming situation. I agree that it is wrong for IW and/or Activision to do that to you. As everyone else has said, its probably just another way for them to make more profit on the game. But it seems as though IW has already made the decision and with the game coming out in a few weeks, being on here and complaining isnt going to do you any good. Im sure the game will be just as good as COD4, even without the dedicated servers. But that is only my opinion.
Boycott the game, dont buy it. Try and show IW and Activision through sales that you are unahppy with it. But if you all buy the game anyways, they are going to come to the conclusion that even though you were unhappy about the decision, you still bought the game. Being on here complaining isnt going to do much of anything.
Then I hope this game gets pirated to hell and back again twice. And maybe the next time IW or Activision release a game I want for the PC, I may decide to consider my options of acquisition more carefully.
I just don't understand how some of you think it's ok to pirate the game simply because the company has changed the features.
Piracy is STEALING. A very faceless, cowardly form of stealing at that. Why don't all of you guys who seem to be advocating the piracy of this game walk into the shop instead and steal the physical media? You wouldn't, because you'd likely get caught and charged. Why is there a difference in mindset towards stealing the digital media. After all, this is the part of the package that costs the company the millions to make - the disc and box are pennies.
Videogames are not an essential item, they're a luxury. It's not our God-given right to have them (sometimes feels like it, I agree ).
You should treat this like you would anything else. If a car company decided their next model was not going to have air-con, would it be ok to steal this ?
Update: well it looks like theyre starting to take notice
TriggerPappy, the one who messaged FourZeroTwo for an answer, asked him if he had seen the petition signed by over 70,000 PC gamers and what his response to the chaos was. Unfortunately, FourZeroTwo kept his response short (partially due to the Twitter restrictions), and stated simply:
"fourzerotwo: Definitely made a big wave, and the response will not be ignored. I'll ensure everyone at IW sees the petitions and responses to it."
Let me say that being a console gamer, I dont completely understand why the pc gamers are so upset. Im sure the game will be just fine with the matchmaking servers they will use. Its not that bad on the console. But again, I have read your comments and understand that you dont want to be forced into a console gaming situation. I agree that it is wrong for IW and/or Activision to do that to you. As everyone else has said, its probably just another way for them to make more profit on the game. But it seems as though IW has already made the decision and with the game coming out in a few weeks, being on here and complaining isnt going to do you any good. Im sure the game will be just as good as COD4, even without the dedicated servers. But that is only my opinion.
Boycott the game, dont buy it. Try and show IW and Activision through sales that you are unahppy with it. But if you all buy the game anyways, they are going to come to the conclusion that even though you were unhappy about the decision, you still bought the game. Being on here complaining isnt going to do much of anything.
Then I hope this game gets pirated to hell and back again twice. And maybe the next time IW or Activision release a game I want for the PC, I may decide to consider my options of acquisition more carefully.
I just don't understand how some of you think it's ok to pirate the game simply because the company has changed the features.
Piracy is STEALING. A very faceless, cowardly form of stealing at that. Why don't all of you guys who seem to be advocating the piracy of this game walk into the shop instead and steal the physical media? You wouldn't, because you'd likely get caught and charged. Why is there a difference in mindset towards stealing the digital media. After all, this is the part of the package that costs the company the millions to make - the disc and box are pennies.
Videogames are not an essential item, they're a luxury. It's not our God-given right to have them (sometimes feels like it, I agree ).
You should treat this like you would anything else. If a car company decided their next model was not going to have air-con, would it be ok to steal this ?
Tough. Tell it to someone who cares. I'm tired of being pushed around by unscrupulous gaming companies whom think that they can whitewash any damn thing they please simply by uttering the dreaded "P" word. If they want to blame piracy for everything, then fine! It's piracy they'll get! Until they f**king choke on it and die a slow death because you are right: games aren't a life necessity for us...But our money is a life necessity for the gaming companies if they want to continue to exist, if they want to be able to pay their employees' salaries, so they in turn can pay their mortgages, car payments, credit card loans, put food on their tables, etc.
Piracy is a form of stealing. I do not dispute this; incidentally I do not personally plan on pirating this game on this occasion. I make no promises that I won't consider it as an option the next time around when Activision, IW, EA, whomever decides to screw me/the gaming community over. They started this fight by operating from false negatives (i.e. every customer is also a pirate, etc.) and have consistently lashed out at everyone - even paying customers - in a ham fisted and so-far futile attempt at stopping piracy. Their methods have done serious damage to the legitimate customers while at best slowing the pirates down by a few days. If they are going to engage in the equivalent of indiscriminate carpet bombing then they should not be surprised when they find full blown revolts on their hands. Reap what you sow!
There is more here at stake than a few PC gamers not getting what they want. At stake here is the very Heart of what separates PC games from their console cousins. Something that sets them apart, using what is to many a profoundly more robust and player friendly system. (Before the console peeps start having a go I am not taking a dig at the Match making system used there) There is the Modding scene from which many of the next generation of programmers emerge. There is the clan scene which can keep a game going long after it should rightfully have passed on (Tribes 2 for example). There are the Server providers and the jobs created from this industry. There is more to lose than there is to gain. This is a move to bring the PC into line with all other consoles, to tie them to paying for every little download and map created. This is a shameful attempt by Activision and IW to bleed the consumer of monies on a product that is already over priced. If we as consumers except such things without voicing our opinion, raising the banner of protest then we will surely lose all that we hold dear as it is twisted by every developer and publisher to fit their greedy wanton needs.
Let me say that being a console gamer, I dont completely understand why the pc gamers are so upset. Im sure the game will be just fine with the matchmaking servers they will use. Its not that bad on the console. But again, I have read your comments and understand that you dont want to be forced into a console gaming situation. I agree that it is wrong for IW and/or Activision to do that to you. As everyone else has said, its probably just another way for them to make more profit on the game. But it seems as though IW has already made the decision and with the game coming out in a few weeks, being on here and complaining isnt going to do you any good. Im sure the game will be just as good as COD4, even without the dedicated servers. But that is only my opinion.
Boycott the game, dont buy it. Try and show IW and Activision through sales that you are unahppy with it. But if you all buy the game anyways, they are going to come to the conclusion that even though you were unhappy about the decision, you still bought the game. Being on here complaining isnt going to do much of anything.
Then I hope this game gets pirated to hell and back again twice. And maybe the next time IW or Activision release a game I want for the PC, I may decide to consider my options of acquisition more carefully.
I just don't understand how some of you think it's ok to pirate the game simply because the company has changed the features.
Piracy is STEALING. A very faceless, cowardly form of stealing at that. Why don't all of you guys who seem to be advocating the piracy of this game walk into the shop instead and steal the physical media? You wouldn't, because you'd likely get caught and charged. Why is there a difference in mindset towards stealing the digital media. After all, this is the part of the package that costs the company the millions to make - the disc and box are pennies.
Videogames are not an essential item, they're a luxury. It's not our God-given right to have them (sometimes feels like it, I agree ).
You should treat this like you would anything else. If a car company decided their next model was not going to have air-con, would it be ok to steal this ?
Tough. Tell it to someone who cares. I'm tired of being pushed around by unscrupulous gaming companies whom think that they can whitewash any damn thing they please simply by uttering the dreaded "P" word. If they want to blame piracy for everything, then fine! It's piracy they'll get! Until they f**king choke on it and die a slow death because you are right: games aren't a life necessity for us...But our money is a life necessity for the gaming companies if they want to continue to exist, if they want to be able to pay their employees' salaries, so they in turn can pay their mortgages, car payments, credit card loans, put food on their tables, etc.
Piracy is a form of stealing. I do not dispute this; incidentally I do not personally plan on pirating this game on this occasion. I make no promises that I won't consider it as an option the next time around when Activision, IW, EA, whomever decides to screw me/the gaming community over. They started this fight by operating from false negatives (i.e. every customer is also a pirate, etc.) and have consistently lashed out at everyone - even paying customers - in a ham fisted and so-far futile attempt at stopping piracy. Their methods have done serious damage to the legitimate customers while at best slowing the pirates down by a few days. If they are going to engage in the equivalent of indiscriminate carpet bombing then they should not be surprised when they find full blown revolts on their hands. Reap what you sow!
Very strange language you are using here "being pushed around by unscrupulous gaming companies". They changed a feature to a game whose rights belong to them - annoying, yes. You have a choice to buy it or not. I just can't understand how you believe that it's ok to steal the game on this basis (incidentally, I'm not saying you will, but you seem to advocate it with your comments). If MW2 doesn't have the multiplayer option you require from a game, then buy one that does and be mildly disappointed at Activision/IW. Your reaction seems to be one of entitlement and a little childish.
You have every right to be disappointed with the multiplayer matchmaking option that has been touted, but the way you speak seems a little out of proportion.
Again I will ask. Do you think it's ok for people therefore to go out to GAME and steal the boxed copy? Would you do it yourself? It seems a lot worse than a torrent doesn't it?, but an intelligent adult would see the similarity.
Why not include the server selection from MW2? WHY?
I have COD 4 on PC and 360 and PS3. And I much prefer on PC to select the type of game that is to my taste. To have the console version will be a step backwards.
If you play on console shut up. It's got P*ss all to do with you.
It seems a lot worse than a torrent doesn't it?, but an intelligent adult would see the similarity.
An intelligent adult wouldn't make it such a black and white issue either. I don't think that a similarity in piracy and box theft makes them equal.
The difference being that one way is easy and faceless and the other takes a lot more bottle.
Just because downloading a torrent is easy enough for many people to do doesn't somehow make it better than physical theft. Theft such as this has become "ok" because the average joe can do it without any comebacks.
Using theft as a means to send a message to a company because you didn't get your own way is pathetic and the reason I keep mentioning physical theft is that most of the people adding their support to pirating this game wouldn't consider other forms of theft in their life. You do it because it's easy, not because of some moral grey area.
Why not include the server selection from MW2? WHY?
I have COD 4 on PC and 360 and PS3. And I much prefer on PC to select the type of game that is to my taste. To have the console version will be a step backwards.
If you play on console shut up. It's got P*ss all to do with you.
Sign, lets get the best deal we can....
because if they do that the PC version will have mods and that will increase the longevity of the game meaning Activision wont be able to sell as many copies on release of the next CoD game next year.
Let me say that being a console gamer, I dont completely understand why the pc gamers are so upset. Im sure the game will be just fine with the matchmaking servers they will use. Its not that bad on the console. But again, I have read your comments and understand that you dont want to be forced into a console gaming situation. I agree that it is wrong for IW and/or Activision to do that to you. As everyone else has said, its probably just another way for them to make more profit on the game. But it seems as though IW has already made the decision and with the game coming out in a few weeks, being on here and complaining isnt going to do you any good. Im sure the game will be just as good as COD4, even without the dedicated servers. But that is only my opinion.
Boycott the game, dont buy it. Try and show IW and Activision through sales that you are unahppy with it. But if you all buy the game anyways, they are going to come to the conclusion that even though you were unhappy about the decision, you still bought the game. Being on here complaining isnt going to do much of anything.
Then I hope this game gets pirated to hell and back again twice. And maybe the next time IW or Activision release a game I want for the PC, I may decide to consider my options of acquisition more carefully.
I just don't understand how some of you think it's ok to pirate the game simply because the company has changed the features.
Piracy is STEALING. A very faceless, cowardly form of stealing at that. Why don't all of you guys who seem to be advocating the piracy of this game walk into the shop instead and steal the physical media? You wouldn't, because you'd likely get caught and charged. Why is there a difference in mindset towards stealing the digital media. After all, this is the part of the package that costs the company the millions to make - the disc and box are pennies.
Videogames are not an essential item, they're a luxury. It's not our God-given right to have them (sometimes feels like it, I agree ).
You should treat this like you would anything else. If a car company decided their next model was not going to have air-con, would it be ok to steal this ?
Tough. Tell it to someone who cares. I'm tired of being pushed around by unscrupulous gaming companies whom think that they can whitewash any damn thing they please simply by uttering the dreaded "P" word. If they want to blame piracy for everything, then fine! It's piracy they'll get! Until they f**king choke on it and die a slow death because you are right: games aren't a life necessity for us...But our money is a life necessity for the gaming companies if they want to continue to exist, if they want to be able to pay their employees' salaries, so they in turn can pay their mortgages, car payments, credit card loans, put food on their tables, etc.
Piracy is a form of stealing. I do not dispute this; incidentally I do not personally plan on pirating this game on this occasion. I make no promises that I won't consider it as an option the next time around when Activision, IW, EA, whomever decides to screw me/the gaming community over. They started this fight by operating from false negatives (i.e. every customer is also a pirate, etc.) and have consistently lashed out at everyone - even paying customers - in a ham fisted and so-far futile attempt at stopping piracy. Their methods have done serious damage to the legitimate customers while at best slowing the pirates down by a few days. If they are going to engage in the equivalent of indiscriminate carpet bombing then they should not be surprised when they find full blown revolts on their hands. Reap what you sow!
Very strange language you are using here "being pushed around by unscrupulous gaming companies". They changed a feature to a game whose rights belong to them - annoying, yes. You have a choice to buy it or not. I just can't understand how you believe that it's ok to steal the game on this basis (incidentally, I'm not saying you will, but you seem to advocate it with your comments). If MW2 doesn't have the multiplayer option you require from a game, then buy one that does and be mildly disappointed at Activision/IW. Your reaction seems to be one of entitlement and a little childish.
You have every right to be disappointed with the multiplayer matchmaking option that has been touted, but the way you speak seems a little out of proportion.
Again I will ask. Do you think it's ok for people therefore to go out to GAME and steal the boxed copy? Would you do it yourself? It seems a lot worse than a torrent doesn't it?, but an intelligent adult would see the similarity.
Save your lectures for when you have kids. Since you appear intelligent enough to type out several paragraphs, I'm going to presume you are also intelligent enough to find my answer to your question(s) in my previous comment. Since various gaming companies apparently think they should be exempt from various rules and laws that are inconvenient for them, yet insist on holding everyone else and their cats accountable on a whim, I'm all for seeing them suffer huge setbacks for their unrestrained greed and attempts at coercion.
Now, if there is still confusion, or perhaps your naivete holds you back, let me make it abundantly clear: I consider this war and yes, I'm prepared to advocate a great many means in an effort to strike back - including piracy. Since few gamers can afford small armies of lawyers tied up in legal battles for years on end, and considering that many companies don't seem to really listen until it hurts them where it counts most for them (i.e. their bottom line), the people on the streets have to find other...creative...means of being heard and respected. When laws no longer adequately cater to the needs and rights of individuals, and when some of those same laws are actively used to punish not just the guilty but innocent bystanders, then that law is neither just nor lawful but a corrupt shadow of it's spirit. At such a point I believe it is a civic duty to not just resist, but to actively fight back.
Yes, these increasingly brazen transgressions make me angry, and I'm not just going to sit back quietly and take it anymore. Disagree if you must; it does little to change my conviction on this matter. We can stand together or face off in opposing camps - either way I'm not backing down.
P.S. Since a condescending tone seems to be something you enjoy, along with unequal comparisons, perhaps you would like to answer whether you consider a death caused in self defense is the same as murder? That comparison is at least as relevant as yours. I'll be eagerly anticipating what I'm sure will be a brilliant response.
There is more here at stake than a few PC gamers not getting what they want. At stake here is the very Heart of what separates PC games from their console cousins. Something that sets them apart, using what is to many a profoundly more robust and player friendly system. (Before the console peeps start having a go I am not taking a dig at the Match making system used there) There is the Modding scene from which many of the next generation of programmers emerge. There is the clan scene which can keep a game going long after it should rightfully have passed on (Tribes 2 for example). There are the Server providers and the jobs created from this industry. There is more to lose than there is to gain. This is a move to bring the PC into line with all other consoles, to tie them to paying for every little download and map created. This is a shameful attempt by Activision and IW to bleed the consumer of monies on a product that is already over priced. If we as consumers except such things without voicing our opinion, raising the banner of protest then we will surely lose all that we hold dear as it is twisted by every developer and publisher to fit their greedy wanton needs.
Good point well made.
If I may shorten it though, to very simple terms. Being a PC Gamer isn't as easy as just buying a console for a variety of reasons, but the rewards include stuff like higher resolutions, better online support and the best modding scene. So yeah, we get p**sed when the last two are taken away.
I have been a loyal PC gamer for a number of years now and am quite frankly disgusted at the way that Infinity Ward have handled this. I have to say I was looking forward to Modern Warfare 2 with some considerable anticipation, I am now seriously thinking of withdrawing my pre-order. The fact that I will no longer be able to play mods, search for servers, be part of huge 50 man games or even be part of a server community will, I am sure, ruin the enjoyment that I get from playing multiplayer games on my PC.
I own a 360 and enjoy playing it, but I have to say that for FPS games there is no greater platform than the PC, the keyboard and mouse make gaming much more about accuracy and skill, games are much faster, bigger and more intense. The fact that MW2 seems to have become some f***ed up console port makes me extremely angry. Dedicated servers make the PC what it is, clans, leagues, mods and the community will not be able to function with this new system and for me that is the very heart of PC gaming.
For a game that originated on the PC this is an incredible leap backwards and I for one am very confused by it. If it is just a way for Infinity Ward or Activision to get more money they can F**K off. They have just stabbed the entire PC community in the back and I seriously hope they take the petition into account, I for one have signed my name and hope that many more do.
I have been a loyal PC gamer for a number of years now and am quite frankly disgusted at the way that Infinity Ward have handled this. I have to say I was looking forward to Modern Warfare 2 with some considerable anticipation, I am now seriously thinking of withdrawing my pre-order. The fact that I will no longer be able to play mods, search for servers, be part of huge 50 man games or even be part of a server community will, I am sure, ruin the enjoyment that I get from playing multiplayer games on my PC.
I own a 360 and enjoy playing it, but I have to say that for FPS games there is no greater platform than the PC, the keyboard and mouse make gaming much more about accuracy and skill, games are much faster, bigger and more intense. The fact that MW2 seems to have become some f***ed up console port makes me extremely angry. Dedicated servers make the PC what it is, clans, leagues, mods and the community will not be able to function with this new system and for me that is the very heart of PC gaming.
For a game that originated on the PC this is an incredible leap backwards and I for one am very confused by it. If it is just a way for Infinity Ward or Activision to get more money they can F**K off. They have just stabbed the entire PC community in the back and I seriously hope they take the petition into account, I for one have signed my name and hope that many more do.
I have been a loyal PC gamer for a number of years now and am quite frankly disgusted at the way that Infinity Ward have handled this. I have to say I was looking forward to Modern Warfare 2 with some considerable anticipation, I am now seriously thinking of withdrawing my pre-order. The fact that I will no longer be able to play mods, search for servers, be part of huge 50 man games or even be part of a server community will, I am sure, ruin the enjoyment that I get from playing multiplayer games on my PC.
I own a 360 and enjoy playing it, but I have to say that for FPS games there is no greater platform than the PC, the keyboard and mouse make gaming much more about accuracy and skill, games are much faster, bigger and more intense. The fact that MW2 seems to have become some f***ed up console port makes me extremely angry. Dedicated servers make the PC what it is, clans, leagues, mods and the community will not be able to function with this new system and for me that is the very heart of PC gaming.
For a game that originated on the PC this is an incredible leap backwards and I for one am very confused by it. If it is just a way for Infinity Ward or Activision to get more money they can F**K off. They have just stabbed the entire PC community in the back and I seriously hope they take the petition into account, I for one have signed my name and hope that many more do.
Hear, hear!
Are they looking to make their own DLC and charge us pc owners for new maps etc? If that is the case, PC owners will play single player and that's it. They won't make any more money than selling the game in the first place. It's easy for us to just say 'f**k you, I'll play something else instead' It's not like MW2 will be anything innovative anyway.
You pathetic little console f**ks can shut the f**k up right now. dont open your traps until you know anything on the subject. Infinity Ward are f**king us over even though they used us as a stepping stone into the mainstream river of s**t which every developer seems to be reaching for. we deserve better than you c**ts regardless and we dont want some s**tty match-making system like the ones you have to live by - which ultimately makes console gaming as s**t as it is.
We see you as nothing more than a bunch of obese, squeaky voiced 12 year old little f****ts who sit there screaming down your stupid xbox microphones at each other like a set of f**king chimpanzees.
You think were butthurt about infinity ward? not a chance - the pc gaming community have single-handedly made some of the best games to date, no developer involved.
You don't know what gaming is.
What a nasty and unpleasant person you are. If you don't like what's happened to Modern Warfare 2 on your precious PC, DON'T BUY IT you whiney little girl. And as you're too dumb to realise, allow me to educate you about some console gamers... we're not all young, fat, stupid or scream at others. People often reflect their own hang ups and shortcomings on others. So you'll understand if I actually think you might be young, fat, stupid and loud, not to mention rude, bitter and spoilt! I doubt Infinity Ward are trying to 'fu*k anyone over', but if you believe that to be the case, and it upsets you, I'm quite pleased about that.
I've mostly been ignoring all the hype for Modern Warfare 2. Every time I (infrequently) take a peek to see what's going on with CoD6, it's clear that more and more people seem to be craving it. It reminds me of the run up to GTA4.
CoD4 is a top game, but I also recognize that CoD6 is its own beast and even Infinity Ward are capable of f***ing up.
From a console perspective, we're talking about another game at 1024x600 so while there'll be better textures thanks to streaming, the display resolution won't make the best use of it. The PC version will still be the best version, so if it's a good game it should be worth paying for - right? After all, people pay for WoW...
I'll be waiting for all the early adopters to rush out & purchase. After a month has passed - just in time for Christmas, I'll be looking to see how many copies have made their way to the pre-owned shelves.
You pathetic little console f**ks can shut the f**k up right now. dont open your traps until you know anything on the subject. Infinity Ward are f**king us over even though they used us as a stepping stone into the mainstream river of s**t which every developer seems to be reaching for. we deserve better than you c**ts regardless and we dont want some s**tty match-making system like the ones you have to live by - which ultimately makes console gaming as s**t as it is.
We see you as nothing more than a bunch of obese, squeaky voiced 12 year old little f****ts who sit there screaming down your stupid xbox microphones at each other like a set of f**king chimpanzees.
You think were butthurt about infinity ward? not a chance - the pc gaming community have single-handedly made some of the best games to date, no developer involved.
You don't know what gaming is.
So, it's only us console AND pc gamers who aren't squeaky little 12 year olds or are capable of holding an intelligent debate without resorting to swearing and throwing insults around like a spoiled ten year old?
You learn all that language from the internet? Your mum must be so proud.
Ok lets try to reset this argument with some rational, non-insulting comment shall we?
I have cancelled my pre-order not because it's like playing a console game on the PC, as I think there are advantages and disadvantages to both system types. It's just that match-making on the PC simply doesn't work as proved pretty much by the L4D experience. Valve had to renege and supply the ability to use a server list with dedicated servers for it to run smoother.
The reason match-making works on consoles is because it is a standard system, with comparable ping rates making it easier for one console to host a game. Also match sizes are much smaller.
This is without even touching on the effect this IW.net will have on clan matches, clan specific server rules (no swearing, no spamming etc etc), admin monitored servers, fan maps, fan mods etc etc.
TBH, it was inevitable that this would happen though. Devs/publishers have been looking for an inroad to charging for dlc and controlling online content ever since it worked on consoles. It just needed a large well established game like this to set the precident, weather the storm, then make the money that PC'ers with inevitably pay.
Beginning of the future i'm sorry to say. Get used to it, shout from the roof tops like I am all you like, but we've just gotta swallow that very bitter pill or find a new hobby.
I for one think this petition can only be a good thing. Its will give IW a chance to change their minds. Instead of losing sales. Its in the high 80k now. So say Ł34.99 x 80000 = Ł2799200. That is quite a bit of money if all of these guys or gals follow through on their promises.
If I was IW then this petition would only serve to make me more resolute in my stance.
80,000 pirates moaning because they won't be able to torrent this game and play it on cracked servers!
If even half of them relent and buy the game (which they ultimately will) then IW have sold an extra 40,000 copies which they wouldn’t have if the scrounging cretins had been given the opportunity to freeload.
Makes perfect sense...if you’re an honest member of society that is!
Let me say that being a console gamer, I dont completely understand why the pc gamers are so upset. Im sure the game will be just fine with the matchmaking servers they will use. Its not that bad on the console. But again, I have read your comments and understand that you dont want to be forced into a console gaming situation. I agree that it is wrong for IW and/or Activision to do that to you. As everyone else has said, its probably just another way for them to make more profit on the game. But it seems as though IW has already made the decision and with the game coming out in a few weeks, being on here and complaining isnt going to do you any good. Im sure the game will be just as good as COD4, even without the dedicated servers. But that is only my opinion.
Boycott the game, dont buy it. Try and show IW and Activision through sales that you are unahppy with it. But if you all buy the game anyways, they are going to come to the conclusion that even though you were unhappy about the decision, you still bought the game. Being on here complaining isnt going to do much of anything.
Then I hope this game gets pirated to hell and back again twice. And maybe the next time IW or Activision release a game I want for the PC, I may decide to consider my options of acquisition more carefully.
I just don't understand how some of you think it's ok to pirate the game simply because the company has changed the features.
Piracy is STEALING. A very faceless, cowardly form of stealing at that. Why don't all of you guys who seem to be advocating the piracy of this game walk into the shop instead and steal the physical media? You wouldn't, because you'd likely get caught and charged. Why is there a difference in mindset towards stealing the digital media. After all, this is the part of the package that costs the company the millions to make - the disc and box are pennies.
Videogames are not an essential item, they're a luxury. It's not our God-given right to have them (sometimes feels like it, I agree ).
You should treat this like you would anything else. If a car company decided their next model was not going to have air-con, would it be ok to steal this ?
Tough. Tell it to someone who cares. I'm tired of being pushed around by unscrupulous gaming companies whom think that they can whitewash any damn thing they please simply by uttering the dreaded "P" word. If they want to blame piracy for everything, then fine! It's piracy they'll get! Until they f**king choke on it and die a slow death because you are right: games aren't a life necessity for us...But our money is a life necessity for the gaming companies if they want to continue to exist, if they want to be able to pay their employees' salaries, so they in turn can pay their mortgages, car payments, credit card loans, put food on their tables, etc.
Piracy is a form of stealing. I do not dispute this; incidentally I do not personally plan on pirating this game on this occasion. I make no promises that I won't consider it as an option the next time around when Activision, IW, EA, whomever decides to screw me/the gaming community over. They started this fight by operating from false negatives (i.e. every customer is also a pirate, etc.) and have consistently lashed out at everyone - even paying customers - in a ham fisted and so-far futile attempt at stopping piracy. Their methods have done serious damage to the legitimate customers while at best slowing the pirates down by a few days. If they are going to engage in the equivalent of indiscriminate carpet bombing then they should not be surprised when they find full blown revolts on their hands. Reap what you sow!
Very strange language you are using here "being pushed around by unscrupulous gaming companies". They changed a feature to a game whose rights belong to them - annoying, yes. You have a choice to buy it or not. I just can't understand how you believe that it's ok to steal the game on this basis (incidentally, I'm not saying you will, but you seem to advocate it with your comments). If MW2 doesn't have the multiplayer option you require from a game, then buy one that does and be mildly disappointed at Activision/IW. Your reaction seems to be one of entitlement and a little childish.
You have every right to be disappointed with the multiplayer matchmaking option that has been touted, but the way you speak seems a little out of proportion.
Again I will ask. Do you think it's ok for people therefore to go out to GAME and steal the boxed copy? Would you do it yourself? It seems a lot worse than a torrent doesn't it?, but an intelligent adult would see the similarity.
Save your lectures for when you have kids. Since you appear intelligent enough to type out several paragraphs, I'm going to presume you are also intelligent enough to find my answer to your question(s) in my previous comment. Since various gaming companies apparently think they should be exempt from various rules and laws that are inconvenient for them, yet insist on holding everyone else and their cats accountable on a whim, I'm all for seeing them suffer huge setbacks for their unrestrained greed and attempts at coercion.
Now, if there is still confusion, or perhaps your naivete holds you back, let me make it abundantly clear: I consider this war and yes, I'm prepared to advocate a great many means in an effort to strike back - including piracy. Since few gamers can afford small armies of lawyers tied up in legal battles for years on end, and considering that many companies don't seem to really listen until it hurts them where it counts most for them (i.e. their bottom line), the people on the streets have to find other...creative...means of being heard and respected. When laws no longer adequately cater to the needs and rights of individuals, and when some of those same laws are actively used to punish not just the guilty but innocent bystanders, then that law is neither just nor lawful but a corrupt shadow of it's spirit. At such a point I believe it is a civic duty to not just resist, but to actively fight back.
Yes, these increasingly brazen transgressions make me angry, and I'm not just going to sit back quietly and take it anymore. Disagree if you must; it does little to change my conviction on this matter. We can stand together or face off in opposing camps - either way I'm not backing down.
P.S. Since a condescending tone seems to be something you enjoy, along with unequal comparisons, perhaps you would like to answer whether you consider a death caused in self defense is the same as murder? That comparison is at least as relevant as yours. I'll be eagerly anticipating what I'm sure will be a brilliant response.
What law has been broken by IW/Activision here? Where are the rules/Laws written that all PC games MUST have a certain multiplayer system?
I'm not disputing that it will be a poorer system or that the petition is valid. What I did have a problem with was the fact that you said it was ok to pirate the game on this basis, making it some sort of excuse. Also, why would anyone who is unhappy with a product want it anyway? Surely the best form of protest is to not buy it. But I take it you want your cake and eat it.
Why so angry towards me? I'm not slating you as a person. Such dramatic language you use in your comments. It's a videogame that isn't to your liking - get some perpective.
Aaaannnnd the above idiotic comment gives perfect credance as to why we do not want console style gaming on the PC.
We'd have to put up with him all the fecking time!
Don't worry buddy, I have no intention of migrating to the solitaire machine just yet!
I've delegated that mission to Sergeant SVD...hope you've made his acquaintance!
Thank god, you had me worried there for a second.
BTW, i'm assuming you have a PC to connect to the internet?
Also, I know you were only flaming, but the vast majority of PC gamers do not use pirate games to play online. I have yet to meet someone that can play CoD4 online with a pirate copy with no probs.
If I was IW then this petition would only serve to make me more resolute in my stance.
80,000 pirates moaning because they won't be able to torrent this game and play it on cracked servers!
If even half of them relent and buy the game (which they ultimately will) then IW have sold an extra 40,000 copies which they wouldn’t have if the scrounging cretins had been given the opportunity to freeload.
Makes perfect sense...if you’re an honest member of society that is!
First problem: You presume all of those whom protest are pirates - that's the exact same mistake that various publishers are making and many of us know how well that turned out in the case of "Spore" (if you don't know Google it).
Second problem: While this current approach may prevent piracy for the online multi-player it is unlikely to stop piracy of the single player campaign. Do you really think that those people whom were planning on pirating this game won't do it if they can't get access to multiplayer?
Third problem: Even if half of the closer to 100,000 petitioners do relent and buy the game, that still leaves a potentially lost 50,000 sales...That is if we use the same argument that the developers and publishers use when stating that every pirated copy is a lost sale (which it isn't), but hey! If that logic is good for the publishers/developers then it's also fair game here. Either way IW and Activision have shot themselves in the foot and are likely to lose sales over this. What a fantastic business model! Oh wait...Business is about making sales and earning money, right?
It's an exercise in frustration watching one gaming company after another making the same mistakes that have been repeated throughout human history. The tighter your fist while holding a handful of sand, the more of it seeps out between your fingers. In stark contrast the flat, open palm keeps most of the sand grains in. Think about it. It is abundantly clear that the punitive approach has failed miserably at stopping or even slowing down piracy. Perhaps using rewards and positive incentives to inspire customer loyalty might have better results...They certainly can't get much worse.
Let me say that being a console gamer, I dont completely understand why the pc gamers are so upset. Im sure the game will be just fine with the matchmaking servers they will use. Its not that bad on the console. But again, I have read your comments and understand that you dont want to be forced into a console gaming situation. I agree that it is wrong for IW and/or Activision to do that to you. As everyone else has said, its probably just another way for them to make more profit on the game. But it seems as though IW has already made the decision and with the game coming out in a few weeks, being on here and complaining isnt going to do you any good. Im sure the game will be just as good as COD4, even without the dedicated servers. But that is only my opinion.
Boycott the game, dont buy it. Try and show IW and Activision through sales that you are unahppy with it. But if you all buy the game anyways, they are going to come to the conclusion that even though you were unhappy about the decision, you still bought the game. Being on here complaining isnt going to do much of anything.
Then I hope this game gets pirated to hell and back again twice. And maybe the next time IW or Activision release a game I want for the PC, I may decide to consider my options of acquisition more carefully.
I just don't understand how some of you think it's ok to pirate the game simply because the company has changed the features.
Piracy is STEALING. A very faceless, cowardly form of stealing at that. Why don't all of you guys who seem to be advocating the piracy of this game walk into the shop instead and steal the physical media? You wouldn't, because you'd likely get caught and charged. Why is there a difference in mindset towards stealing the digital media. After all, this is the part of the package that costs the company the millions to make - the disc and box are pennies.
Videogames are not an essential item, they're a luxury. It's not our God-given right to have them (sometimes feels like it, I agree ).
You should treat this like you would anything else. If a car company decided their next model was not going to have air-con, would it be ok to steal this ?
Tough. Tell it to someone who cares. I'm tired of being pushed around by unscrupulous gaming companies whom think that they can whitewash any damn thing they please simply by uttering the dreaded "P" word. If they want to blame piracy for everything, then fine! It's piracy they'll get! Until they f**king choke on it and die a slow death because you are right: games aren't a life necessity for us...But our money is a life necessity for the gaming companies if they want to continue to exist, if they want to be able to pay their employees' salaries, so they in turn can pay their mortgages, car payments, credit card loans, put food on their tables, etc.
Piracy is a form of stealing. I do not dispute this; incidentally I do not personally plan on pirating this game on this occasion. I make no promises that I won't consider it as an option the next time around when Activision, IW, EA, whomever decides to screw me/the gaming community over. They started this fight by operating from false negatives (i.e. every customer is also a pirate, etc.) and have consistently lashed out at everyone - even paying customers - in a ham fisted and so-far futile attempt at stopping piracy. Their methods have done serious damage to the legitimate customers while at best slowing the pirates down by a few days. If they are going to engage in the equivalent of indiscriminate carpet bombing then they should not be surprised when they find full blown revolts on their hands. Reap what you sow!
Very strange language you are using here "being pushed around by unscrupulous gaming companies". They changed a feature to a game whose rights belong to them - annoying, yes. You have a choice to buy it or not. I just can't understand how you believe that it's ok to steal the game on this basis (incidentally, I'm not saying you will, but you seem to advocate it with your comments). If MW2 doesn't have the multiplayer option you require from a game, then buy one that does and be mildly disappointed at Activision/IW. Your reaction seems to be one of entitlement and a little childish.
You have every right to be disappointed with the multiplayer matchmaking option that has been touted, but the way you speak seems a little out of proportion.
Again I will ask. Do you think it's ok for people therefore to go out to GAME and steal the boxed copy? Would you do it yourself? It seems a lot worse than a torrent doesn't it?, but an intelligent adult would see the similarity.
Save your lectures for when you have kids. Since you appear intelligent enough to type out several paragraphs, I'm going to presume you are also intelligent enough to find my answer to your question(s) in my previous comment. Since various gaming companies apparently think they should be exempt from various rules and laws that are inconvenient for them, yet insist on holding everyone else and their cats accountable on a whim, I'm all for seeing them suffer huge setbacks for their unrestrained greed and attempts at coercion.
Now, if there is still confusion, or perhaps your naivete holds you back, let me make it abundantly clear: I consider this war and yes, I'm prepared to advocate a great many means in an effort to strike back - including piracy. Since few gamers can afford small armies of lawyers tied up in legal battles for years on end, and considering that many companies don't seem to really listen until it hurts them where it counts most for them (i.e. their bottom line), the people on the streets have to find other...creative...means of being heard and respected. When laws no longer adequately cater to the needs and rights of individuals, and when some of those same laws are actively used to punish not just the guilty but innocent bystanders, then that law is neither just nor lawful but a corrupt shadow of it's spirit. At such a point I believe it is a civic duty to not just resist, but to actively fight back.
Yes, these increasingly brazen transgressions make me angry, and I'm not just going to sit back quietly and take it anymore. Disagree if you must; it does little to change my conviction on this matter. We can stand together or face off in opposing camps - either way I'm not backing down.
P.S. Since a condescending tone seems to be something you enjoy, along with unequal comparisons, perhaps you would like to answer whether you consider a death caused in self defense is the same as murder? That comparison is at least as relevant as yours. I'll be eagerly anticipating what I'm sure will be a brilliant response.
What law has been broken by IW/Activision here? Where are the rules/Laws written that all PC games MUST have a certain multiplayer system?
I'm not disputing that it will be a poorer system or that the petition is valid. What I did have a problem with was the fact that you said it was ok to pirate the game on this basis, making it some sort of excuse. Also, why would anyone who is unhappy with a product want it anyway? Surely the best form of protest is to not buy it. But I take it you want your cake and eat it.
Why so angry towards me? I'm not slating you as a person. Such dramatic language you use in your comments. It's a videogame that isn't to your liking - get some perpective.
That's just it, Kreem. I don't care that you have a problem with the means I'm willing to consider in this fight we have on our hands. You have chosen your side and that's fine. I've chosen mine and that's fine too. We do not come together, but if we do cross paths then I will do what is necessary to get through to my main target whether that is around, or through, you. You see, we've already crossed the point whereby you and I are not playing by the same rules anymore. That doesn't particularly bother me on this occasion, yet it seems to discomfort you. So be it. I've made my position clear and I stand by it. No quarter will be given and none shall be asked for. I want to see these companies humbled and reigned in. Nothing less.
As for perspective, it's good to see you continuing your act of judging from on high. Guess what? I'm not accountable to you. I don't owe you anything, including any explanations other than those I deign of interest to make, and what makes your perspective better than mine? I would argue that your "soccer-mom-stay-home-with-the-kids-and-hope-everything-will-be-okay" perspective is a disgusting and ineffective pacifistic approach that will achieve nothing but maintain the current status quo which does not favour customer rights and freedoms. That's your choice and I support your right to have that freedom, but don't judge me with your crap. If you want to, then get off your high horse and get your hands dirty.
That's just it, Kreem. I don't care that you have a problem with the means I'm willing to consider in this fight we have on our hands. You have chosen your side and that's fine. I've chosen mine and that's fine too. We do not come together, but if we do cross paths then I will do what is necessary to get through to my main target whether that is around, or through, you. You see, we've already crossed the point whereby you and I are not playing by the same rules anymore. That doesn't particularly bother me on this occasion, yet it seems to discomfort you. So be it. I've made my position clear and I stand by it. No quarter will be given and none shall be asked for. I want to see these companies humbled and reigned in. Nothing less.
As for perspective, it's good to see you continuing your act of judging from on high. Guess what? I'm not accountable to you. I don't owe you anything, including any explanations other than those I deign of interest to make, and what makes your perspective better than mine? I would argue that your "soccer-mom-stay-home-with-the-kids-and-hope-everything-will-be-okay" perspective is a disgusting and ineffective pacifistic approach that will achieve nothing but maintain the current status quo which does not favour customer rights and freedoms. That's your choice and I support your right to have that freedom, but don't judge me with your crap. If you want to, then get off your high horse and get your hands dirty.
You actually wrote and submitted that whole thing and possibly think it sounds like the words of a sane and normal member of society.
I can't continue the discussion simply because you are clearly mental. Why are you rambling like Winston Churchill on the day we declared war? It's a videogame for God's sake. The only people I have ever met that speak like that about a videogame are either teenagers who don't yet have anything more important in their lives or sad, lonely guys a little older who are socially inept. Is it THAT important? Really? Well, good luck and all that!
That's just it, Kreem. I don't care that you have a problem with the means I'm willing to consider in this fight we have on our hands. You have chosen your side and that's fine. I've chosen mine and that's fine too. We do not come together, but if we do cross paths then I will do what is necessary to get through to my main target whether that is around, or through, you. You see, we've already crossed the point whereby you and I are not playing by the same rules anymore. That doesn't particularly bother me on this occasion, yet it seems to discomfort you. So be it. I've made my position clear and I stand by it. No quarter will be given and none shall be asked for. I want to see these companies humbled and reigned in. Nothing less.
As for perspective, it's good to see you continuing your act of judging from on high. Guess what? I'm not accountable to you. I don't owe you anything, including any explanations other than those I deign of interest to make, and what makes your perspective better than mine? I would argue that your "soccer-mom-stay-home-with-the-kids-and-hope-everything-will-be-okay" perspective is a disgusting and ineffective pacifistic approach that will achieve nothing but maintain the current status quo which does not favour customer rights and freedoms. That's your choice and I support your right to have that freedom, but don't judge me with your crap. If you want to, then get off your high horse and get your hands dirty.
You actually wrote and submitted that whole thing and possibly think it sounds like the words of a sane and normal member of society.
I can't continue the discussion simply because you are clearly mental. Why are you rambling like Winston Churchill on the day we declared war? It's a videogame for God's sake. The only people I have ever met that speak like that about a videogame are either teenagers who don't yet have anything more important in their lives or sad, lonely guys a little older who are socially inept. Is it THAT important? Really? Well, good luck and all that!
You make the mistake of confusing passion for a cause with insanity. I am fully aware of what I've typed and the implications, as well as the potential "eggs" that may be broken in the process of making this "omelette". That you don't share my conviction, and apparently fail to appreciate the far deeper fundamental issues at stake here and what the implications are if they are allowed to fall by the wayside, does not make me insane, but rather exposes a disconnect between your world view and mine. If you think that makes me insane that is your prerogative, but until you actually earn a PhD. in psycho analysis you will have to forgive me for not placing too much weight in your amateur evaluation.
It's okay Kreem; not everyone is cut out for some of the longer, rougher rides in life. You can thank me and the others, who will keep on resisting the continuing erosion of our customer rights, should you eventually see just how precarious the balance of power and order are in a society - this extends to the business world as well.
Firstly I've gotta say that that youtube video is the best thing I've seen in a while, so thanks for posting it for us.
Now to the subject; well there is nothing to say really. For all the information dripped to us over the last few days we are no closer to understanding quite how the new system is going to work so it is a real wait-and-see (or hope and pray) situation.
If configurable dedicated server access is cut, I think it will be a very big negative on the what appears to be a very fine game. The idea of replacing completely replacing the old multiplayer structure rather than adding or adapting it is a significant development task, and a significant investment by IW. I only hope that the information we have atm isn't the whole package and hope the new multiplayer system is designed to integrate both structures.
As for the people who seem to think this is a anti-pirac move/system, its not. Its just a interface to access online servers without choosing for yourself. If a player can access the online interface, then they will be able to access a server as they have already passed enough checks to be considered a legit user (as with most online games with persistant profiles, players who can convince the server they are a legit player can play; whether they are or not ). The integration of steam is a anti-piracy tool, not the removal of the dedicated servers.
The logic behind the removal of the dedicated servers support still illudes me. Some of the arguments put forward as reasons fail completely. The idea that dedicated servers prevented DLC content from being deployed in the PC market is completely untrue - ask DICE who had a add-on pack & 2 DLC packs for Battlefield2. The idea that the modding community were embarishing, or providing better support that the developer brings a smile to my face. The modding community is good, and creative but more importantly expanded upon the existing core structure - so expanding the game. Evidence of a active modding community, is evidence of appreciation of the game by those who understand how it was built but doesn't replace a software house or does it undermines unless the code being modded tells of things that gamers wanted but developers removed. Modding is still a amatuers playground, there will be the good, the bad, and the ugly but there will always be something. Its that something that can keep people wanting more, and its why expansion packs and DLC packs came along in the first place. Its all apart of the same cycle, as long as their is something to play - there will be people playing.
Personally, I can see the benefits of having a match-making - easy to use jump in a game right now option. I can see people using it. Just not me, guess I'm just arkward. I prefer to the old DIY approach, and every click-now to play option I've used as resulted in a bad day (not all for fault of the click-now button to be fair, but it did its part). As I said at the start, its removal would be a very big negative on a fine looking game and as a consumer I made my mark on that digital paper as proof I gave a dam. The truth of the matter is that the investment has already been done, and unless its designed in the system - there's not much that can be done, petition, or no petition. I hope that more information will come through and we'll all be embarished about our little drama, but even if it doesn't atleast we said something about it.
another sad case of a games company taking a great PC game and catering to console monkeys who can manage to use a mouse and keyboard coz of there webbed hands! they did it to UT3 and Deus Ex2!! both went to s**te coz they made it console friendly!
another sad case of a games company taking a great PC game and catering to console monkeys who can manage to use a mouse and keyboard coz of their webbed hands! they did it to UT3 and Deus Ex2!! both went to s**te coz they made it console friendly!
Don't pay much heed to PS3f***yboy; he's admitted he likes to stoke the coals in the hopes of getting a fire.
As for neutrality, that's nice, it does not however change the empirical facts regarding the advantages of a dedicated server setup. Nor does it change the fact that there were/are very good reasons why this antiquated matchmaking setup was left by the wayside many years ago by the PC gaming market (and the brief attempts to return to it ended in a poor showing, only to see dedicated servers continue to lead the charge).
P.S. "Deus Ex 2" did indeed suck a big one compared to it's progenitor IMO. "Deus Ex" was one of the finest games ever made as far as I'm concerned. It does however show it's age today in terms of graphics and controls. If a HD remake was made I would jump on it in a second. Here's to hoping the third "Deus Ex" in development turns in to something at least half decent.
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