The price of an Xbox Live Gold subscription will eventually rise to as much as $100 (£61), predicts analyst Michael Pachter.
Speaking in a discussion with GTTV, Pachter suggested that Microsoft's profit margins meant that "we all know" the Gold subs price will rise.
"You can't hook a guy into Xbox Live Gold if he's playing on a PC," Pachter said on how Microsoft's seemingly ditched the PC games market. "... that's the other problem - you really want to hook every gamer who has a 360, you want them to buy all their games on 360, play everything multiplayer, pay you 50 bucks a year so that, in a couple years, it's a 100 bucks a year."
"And that's going up, we all know that ... it's a profit deal," Pachter added.
A year's Gold subscription currently costs £39.99 in the UK. We've contacted Microsoft for comment.
I doubt that MS would start raising the price of XBL, they have to compete against the PSN which is free and has all the same features. What ever you may think of MS they are not stupid.
Considering MS make around 1 billion from the charges already, I doubt they'd raise the price. The only way I can see it happening is if Nintendo and Sony were to start charging.
I watched the Bonus Round yesterday and this was a throw away comment by Pachter made right at the very end of the show.
I would be amazed if MS bumped the price of Live by 100% but then again this is Pachter who infamously broke the news that Sony would release a PS3 without the Blu Ray drive to cut costs!
So Pachter thinks that MS will bump up the price to $100?
Sure they will Michael, sure they will.
Still, this is the kind of thread that makes Mondays bearable, so thanks (Michael & CVG), i think .
I'd love to be this guy. To wake up in the morning and wonder (for approx. 2 secs) what s**te I'm going to spraff all over the internet and get payed for it...
PSN will stamp on LIVE's balls. they will need to bring the price down, not up.
interest in the 360 is waning in favour for the ps3. nobody wants to pay a sub anymore.
Your almost as bad as Michael Pachter, grasshopper .
fifa 10 worldwide sold an extra 93k units on ps3, and that with the 360's extra millions install base. i'd say thats proof the tide is turning.
new multiformat titles are getting picked up on ps3 now, as thats what people are playing these days. a lot of 360s are just lying by the wayside. its install base is getting irrelevant.
PSN will stamp on LIVE's balls. they will need to bring the price down, not up.
interest in the 360 is waning in favour for the ps3. nobody wants to pay a sub anymore.
Your almost as bad as Michael Pachter, grasshopper .
fifa 10 worldwide sold an extra 93k units on ps3, and that with the 360's extra millions install base. i'd say thats proof the tide is turning.
new multiformat titles are getting picked up on ps3 now, as thats what people are playing these days. a lot of 360s are just lying by the wayside. its install base is getting irrelevant.
That's not proof at all. I wouldn't be surprised if the extra sales come from the fact that EA run the official online tournament on PS3's exclusively.
He gets huge amounts of attention for himself and his employers in the UK and US gaming press (and maybe beyond). I've no doubt most of his claims are deliberately outrageous.
PSN will stamp on LIVE's balls. they will need to bring the price down, not up.
interest in the 360 is waning in favour for the ps3. nobody wants to pay a sub anymore.
Your almost as bad as Michael Pachter, grasshopper .
fifa 10 worldwide sold an extra 93k units on ps3, and that with the 360's extra millions install base. i'd say thats proof the tide is turning.
new multiformat titles are getting picked up on ps3 now, as thats what people are playing these days. a lot of 360s are just lying by the wayside. its install base is getting irrelevant.
That's not proof at all. I wouldn't be surprised if the extra sales come from the fact that EA run the official online tournament on PS3's exclusively.
oh aye, thats it.
its not just fifa multiformat that done better on ps3. both sales and pre-orders of new games are topping out on ps3. and sales of the slim are way higher than the 360. its logic. stop clinging.
PSN will stamp on LIVE's balls. they will need to bring the price down, not up.
interest in the 360 is waning in favour for the ps3. nobody wants to pay a sub anymore.
Your almost as bad as Michael Pachter, grasshopper .
fifa 10 worldwide sold an extra 93k units on ps3, and that with the 360's extra millions install base. i'd say thats proof the tide is turning.
new multiformat titles are getting picked up on ps3 now, as thats what people are playing these days. a lot of 360s are just lying by the wayside. its install base is getting irrelevant.
FIFA is not really a great title to pick up on when it comes to worlwide sales as the worlds largest market (ie US) will barely touch it which leads Japan to distort the balance as the 360 does not sell too well over there due to not being Japanese. In Europe where there is greater balance between 360 and PS3 FIFA has sold more on the 360 platform. I would imagine world sales of Madden are tilted hugely in favour of the 360 as the 360 has a far greater share of the market in practically the only market that buys American Football games in any significant numbers. There are lies, damn lies and statistics as they say....
The extra sales for ps3 fifa just proves there's less choice in software than the xbox. I want to get a ps3 but with bottomholes like grasshopper on there it really puts me off.
PSN will stamp on LIVE's balls. they will need to bring the price down, not up.
interest in the 360 is waning in favour for the ps3. nobody wants to pay a sub anymore.
Your almost as bad as Michael Pachter, grasshopper .
fifa 10 worldwide sold an extra 93k units on ps3, and that with the 360's extra millions install base. i'd say thats proof the tide is turning.
new multiformat titles are getting picked up on ps3 now, as thats what people are playing these days. a lot of 360s are just lying by the wayside. its install base is getting irrelevant.
The vast majority of Fifa sales would have been in the EU and im pretty sure that MS and Sony are pretty level in this territory, I was under the impression that most Multi Platform Games perform better on the 360 although there are always exceptions to the norm.
If you can tell me what other Multi Platform Games perform better on PS3 then your arguement will hold more truth, rather than you just speculating (like a suit does).
PSN will stamp on LIVE's balls. they will need to bring the price down, not up.
interest in the 360 is waning in favour for the ps3. nobody wants to pay a sub anymore.
Your almost as bad as Michael Pachter, grasshopper .
fifa 10 worldwide sold an extra 93k units on ps3, and that with the 360's extra millions install base. i'd say thats proof the tide is turning.
new multiformat titles are getting picked up on ps3 now, as thats what people are playing these days. a lot of 360s are just lying by the wayside. its install base is getting irrelevant.
That's not proof at all. I wouldn't be surprised if the extra sales come from the fact that EA run the official online tournament on PS3's exclusively.
oh aye, thats it.
its not just fifa multiformat that done better on ps3. both sales and pre-orders of new games are topping out on ps3. and sales of the slim are way higher than the 360. its logic. stop clinging.
I'll stop "clinging" when you stop posting nonsense.
PSN will stamp on LIVE's balls. they will need to bring the price down, not up.
interest in the 360 is waning in favour for the ps3. nobody wants to pay a sub anymore.
Your almost as bad as Michael Pachter, grasshopper .
fifa 10 worldwide sold an extra 93k units on ps3, and that with the 360's extra millions install base. i'd say thats proof the tide is turning.
new multiformat titles are getting picked up on ps3 now, as thats what people are playing these days. a lot of 360s are just lying by the wayside. its install base is getting irrelevant.
The vast majority of Fifa sales would have been in the EU and im pretty sure that MS and Sony are pretty level in this territory, I was under the impression that most Multi Platform Games perform better on the 360 although there are always exceptions to the norm.
If you can tell me what other Multi Platform Games perform better on PS3 then your arguement will hold more truth, rather than you just speculating (like a suit does).
NFS shift and batman for two pretty new games that fit that description...
PSN will stamp on LIVE's balls. they will need to bring the price down, not up.
interest in the 360 is waning in favour for the ps3. nobody wants to pay a sub anymore.
Your almost as bad as Michael Pachter, grasshopper .
fifa 10 worldwide sold an extra 93k units on ps3, and that with the 360's extra millions install base. i'd say thats proof the tide is turning.
new multiformat titles are getting picked up on ps3 now, as thats what people are playing these days. a lot of 360s are just lying by the wayside. its install base is getting irrelevant.
The vast majority of Fifa sales would have been in the EU and im pretty sure that MS and Sony are pretty level in this territory, I was under the impression that most Multi Platform Games perform better on the 360 although there are always exceptions to the norm.
If you can tell me what other Multi Platform Games perform better on PS3 then your arguement will hold more truth, rather than you just speculating (like a suit does).
NFS shift and batman for two pretty new games that fit that description...
Forza 3 is released this week, which would explain why Shift is being looked over. Plus Batman had exclusive content for the PS3.
svd_grasshopper is on this occasion right, there is a large iceberg not far ahead of the good ship MS and it is XBL charges.
Most of my friends have sold there XBOX's because they deplor the Ł60 network adapter charge and the fact that you have to pay MS to play multiplayer etc...when Sony have included.... (1) a blue ray player, (2) a built in network card (granted its not as good as the MS Adpator) and (3) PSN for free.
I love my my XBOX...but if things don't change my hardware will be.
PSN will stamp on LIVE's balls. they will need to bring the price down, not up.
interest in the 360 is waning in favour for the ps3. nobody wants to pay a sub anymore.
Your almost as bad as Michael Pachter, grasshopper .
fifa 10 worldwide sold an extra 93k units on ps3, and that with the 360's extra millions install base. i'd say thats proof the tide is turning.
new multiformat titles are getting picked up on ps3 now, as thats what people are playing these days. a lot of 360s are just lying by the wayside. its install base is getting irrelevant.
The vast majority of Fifa sales would have been in the EU and im pretty sure that MS and Sony are pretty level in this territory, I was under the impression that most Multi Platform Games perform better on the 360 although there are always exceptions to the norm.
If you can tell me what other Multi Platform Games perform better on PS3 then your arguement will hold more truth, rather than you just speculating (like a suit does).
NFS shift and batman for two pretty new games that fit that description...
I actually went onto VG Chartz for worldwide sales and saw those 2 Games were ahead of the 360. 1, I would imagine most 360 owners are holding off for Forza and 2, Batman included the exclusive Joker character and Challenge Rooms.
All other MP Games are selling better on 360: http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php from this list anyway.
PSN will stamp on LIVE's balls. they will need to bring the price down, not up.
interest in the 360 is waning in favour for the ps3. nobody wants to pay a sub anymore.
Your almost as bad as Michael Pachter, grasshopper .
fifa 10 worldwide sold an extra 93k units on ps3, and that with the 360's extra millions install base. i'd say thats proof the tide is turning.
new multiformat titles are getting picked up on ps3 now, as thats what people are playing these days. a lot of 360s are just lying by the wayside. its install base is getting irrelevant.
The vast majority of Fifa sales would have been in the EU and im pretty sure that MS and Sony are pretty level in this territory, I was under the impression that most Multi Platform Games perform better on the 360 although there are always exceptions to the norm.
If you can tell me what other Multi Platform Games perform better on PS3 then your arguement will hold more truth, rather than you just speculating (like a suit does).
NFS shift and batman for two pretty new games that fit that description...
Forza 3 is released this week, which would explain why Shift is being looked over. Plus Batman had exclusive content for the PS3.
you are like alabama to their guns.
if a joker character or whatever the DLC was swayed sales in favour of the ps3, with 6 million extra 360 units out there, then it says it all.
did people go out and buy a ps3 just to play as the joker?
or did they just buy it on their new system...
for multiplatform games to perform better on ps3 a while ago was almost unthinkable. now its getting to be the norm.
as more people buy ps3's, they will want to buy the games on that console. its logic... or are you trying to tell me that 360 is outselling the ps3?
The only people who should care about the game sales are the publishers and developers. Why the hell are you guys arguing over which platform sells better?
Believe it or not, it is actually possible to own both systems. In fact, I highly recommend it. You will play a much better selection of titles.
PSN will stamp on LIVE's balls. they will need to bring the price down, not up.
interest in the 360 is waning in favour for the ps3. nobody wants to pay a sub anymore.
Your almost as bad as Michael Pachter, grasshopper .
fifa 10 worldwide sold an extra 93k units on ps3, and that with the 360's extra millions install base. i'd say thats proof the tide is turning.
new multiformat titles are getting picked up on ps3 now, as thats what people are playing these days. a lot of 360s are just lying by the wayside. its install base is getting irrelevant.
The vast majority of Fifa sales would have been in the EU and im pretty sure that MS and Sony are pretty level in this territory, I was under the impression that most Multi Platform Games perform better on the 360 although there are always exceptions to the norm.
If you can tell me what other Multi Platform Games perform better on PS3 then your arguement will hold more truth, rather than you just speculating (like a suit does).
NFS shift and batman for two pretty new games that fit that description...
Oooo can I play too.
Current games that have sold better on the 360 than the PS3.
Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising, NBA2K10, NBA Live 10, Madden NFL 10, Guitar Hero 5 and Dirt2.
Also the initial sales spike caused by the PS3 slim is dropping off as can be seen by the 12% fall in sales for the PS3 compared to the 5% fall for the 360. Then there is the tie ratio for the 360 at 8.06 compared with 6.27 for the PS3 which is beaten by the wii at 6.29.
I actually went onto VG Chartz for worldwide sales and saw those 2 Games were ahead of the 360. 1, I would imagine most 360 owners are holding off for Forza and 2, Batman included the exclusive Joker character and Challenge Rooms.
All other MP Games are selling better on 360: http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php from this list anyway.
Also, when there's fewer big titles to choose from, the ones that are big are going to sell a lot more
The extra sales for ps3 fifa just proves there's less choice in software than the xbox. I want to get a ps3 but with bottomholes like grasshopper on there it really puts me off.
You would let one guys opinion dissuade you from buying a PS3? I think you should stick with the 360 - it's more suited to your mentality.
I don't see how anyone with a brain* could possibly think that Microsoft would increase the price of their service and expect to remain competitive in the market.
* I just realised as I posted where my comment falls down. I was talking about an analyst so of course I should expect any brain function.
PSN will stamp on LIVE's balls. they will need to bring the price down, not up.
interest in the 360 is waning in favour for the ps3. nobody wants to pay a sub anymore.
Your almost as bad as Michael Pachter, grasshopper .
fifa 10 worldwide sold an extra 93k units on ps3, and that with the 360's extra millions install base. i'd say thats proof the tide is turning.
new multiformat titles are getting picked up on ps3 now, as thats what people are playing these days. a lot of 360s are just lying by the wayside. its install base is getting irrelevant.
The vast majority of Fifa sales would have been in the EU and im pretty sure that MS and Sony are pretty level in this territory, I was under the impression that most Multi Platform Games perform better on the 360 although there are always exceptions to the norm.
If you can tell me what other Multi Platform Games perform better on PS3 then your arguement will hold more truth, rather than you just speculating (like a suit does).
NFS shift and batman for two pretty new games that fit that description...
Oooo can I play too.
Current games that have sold better on the 360 than the PS3.
Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising, NBA2K10, NBA Live 10, Madden NFL 10, Guitar Hero 5 and Dirt2.
Also the initial sales spike caused by the PS3 slim is dropping off as can be seen by the 12% fall in sales for the PS3 compared to the 5% fall for the 360. Then there is the tie ratio for the 360 at 8.06 compared with 6.27 for the PS3 which is beaten by the wii at 6.29.
Stats are great aren't they.....
bearing in mind that killzone 2, an old ps3 game, sold better than the 360 version of dirt 2 this week...
and whats the tie ratio got to do with it... the wii being very slightly ahead, but with double the consoles sold, im surprised you even mentioned that. hardly a trump for nintendo. it actually reads better for sony. fool. you'll take any ammo you can find. even if its duff.
and i never said ALL ps3 multiplatform games now sell better on 360... did i?!
pointing out the change in trend, dont get your knickers in a twist - its only going to get worse for the 360.
pointing out the change in trend, dont get your knickers in a twist - its only going to get worse for the 360.
What exactly is going to 'get worse' for the 360? It has nearly 28M install base! Even if PS3 suddenly sells 50M, all multi plat games will still be released for the 360 because the publishers will still make money, and it will still get exclusives due to Microsoft's deep pockets.
The extra sales for ps3 fifa just proves there's less choice in software than the xbox. I want to get a ps3 but with bottomholes like grasshopper on there it really puts me off.
And the XBox is full of even more bottomholes. Don't get me wrong, I'm not sticking up for SVD, but the fact that I have to pay to play online with complete morons is just plain stupid. I won't be renewing my Live subscription once it expires...
As for the choice thing, yeah sure. That's why the only really big selling games on the 360 are Halo, Gears of War and CoD. They have all that choice yet only buy the same games, which are all the same genre types too.
pointing out the change in trend, dont get your knickers in a twist - its only going to get worse for the 360.
What exactly is going to 'get worse' for the 360? It has nearly 28M install base! Even if PS3 suddenly sells 50M, all multi plat games will still be released for the 360 because the publishers will still make money, and it will still get exclusives due to Microsoft's deep pockets.
the ps3 will continue to get more popular as the 360 declines.
come succesor the the GTA throne, agent, everyone and their grandma are gonna want a ps3.
uncharted 2 is just a taste of what its capable of without having to pander for crossplatform.
if GTA was on ps3 only, it would have been a very different game.
dont worry, i dont own a ps3 anymore. but will certainly be investing in one when the time is right.
imagine investing in a 360 for the future... thats just unthinkable. and stupid.
Why do you even bother posting these Pachter facts. Have any of the more wild ones ever came true.
TBH i think they're just put up to provoke flaming
This.
Now, should LIVE Gold sub. fees increase to 100 USD a year, then I'm willing to make my own wild, bold predic...erh analysis, that gamers will be switching to silver accounts or dropping LIVE usage altogether in droves. Especially if PSN continues to be free (the verdict is still out on that; Sony might decide it could rake in the cash if it follows MS's approach). That leaves PC gaming which I already do, and which is why I haven't even bothered connecting my Xbox 360 to an online service yet.
Well, I was just going to pop in to say that Pachter is talking crap - as usual. I would expect the price of Live Gold subs to go down, if anything.
Still, it appears I've walked into another one of those 'debates'.
Grasshopper - tie ratios have absolutely nothing to do with the amount of consoles sold. If Sony sold 100M PS3s and Nintendo only one Wii, it still wouldn't have any bearing on the tie ratio....it's about the average amount of games that an owner of a console buys for said console.
Secondly, please stop talking about the Agent in such ridiculous ways - I'm sure it will probably be good, but stop making out as if it's the second coming of Jesus.....no-one knows barely anything about it - least of all you. It's just as likely to be another Warriors than it is to be anywhere near the calibre of GTA.
the ps3 will continue to get more popular as the 360 declines.
come succesor the the GTA throne, agent, everyone and their grandma are gonna want a ps3.
uncharted 2 is just a taste of what its capable of without having to pander for crossplatform.
if GTA was on ps3 only, it would have been a very different game.
dont worry, i dont own a ps3 anymore. but will certainly be investing in one when the time is right.
imagine investing in a 360 for the future... thats just unthinkable. and stupid.
You haven't answered my question. What is going to get worse for the 360?
Also, how can you possibly say that GTA4 was PS3 only, it would have been a very different game? What evidence do you have to support this, rather than some meaningless blog on N4G, which had no evidence but questionable speculation?
PSN will stamp on LIVE's balls. they will need to bring the price down, not up.
interest in the 360 is waning in favour for the ps3. nobody wants to pay a sub anymore.
Your almost as bad as Michael Pachter, grasshopper .
fifa 10 worldwide sold an extra 93k units on ps3, and that with the 360's extra millions install base. i'd say thats proof the tide is turning.
new multiformat titles are getting picked up on ps3 now, as thats what people are playing these days. a lot of 360s are just lying by the wayside. its install base is getting irrelevant.
Maybe. Maybe not. Unless you are only quoting the UK market, please consider that a substantial amount of Xbox 360 owners live in places where football is not the prime national past time (hint: the US). This in turn may well affect sales, similarly to how a Madden game might stack up if only measured by European sales. It is also relevant to consider the specific tastes of the Japanese market.
P.S. I see someone else made the exact same argument earlier.
Now, should LIVE Gold sub. fees increase to 100 USD a year, then I'm willing to make my own wild, bold predic...erh analysis, that gamers will be switching to silver accounts or dropping LIVE usage altogether in droves. Especially if PSN continues to be free (the verdict is still out on that; Sony might decide it could rake in the cash if it followed MS's approach). That leaves PC gaming which I already do and which is why I haven't even bothered connecting my Xbox 360 to an online service yet.
This. I am happy to pay Ł27 a year, but when Live costs half the price of my internet connection, I think it would be time to say goodbye. I am already contemplating getting a good PC for my online gaming requirements, especially as some of the MODs for HL2 L4D etc look so fantastic.
go off to lunch. and someone lets the crazies in. I blame my fault. the lock on the door really was getting rusty, and in hindsight putting the on a hook right next to it was a bit of a school boy error.
rockstar said themselves that the DVD format limited them, they told MS to find a storage solution. they didnt, they dont get agent. rockstar also say that they are looking forward to using bluray on itself.
agent is better than the second coming of jesus.
its the spiritual successor to the best game franchise ever. a sandbox by rockstar north is as good as it gets in my gaming book.
PSN will stamp on LIVE's balls. they will need to bring the price down, not up.
interest in the 360 is waning in favour for the ps3. nobody wants to pay a sub anymore.
Your almost as bad as Michael Pachter, grasshopper .
fifa 10 worldwide sold an extra 93k units on ps3, and that with the 360's extra millions install base. i'd say thats proof the tide is turning.
new multiformat titles are getting picked up on ps3 now, as thats what people are playing these days. a lot of 360s are just lying by the wayside. its install base is getting irrelevant.
The vast majority of Fifa sales would have been in the EU and im pretty sure that MS and Sony are pretty level in this territory, I was under the impression that most Multi Platform Games perform better on the 360 although there are always exceptions to the norm.
If you can tell me what other Multi Platform Games perform better on PS3 then your arguement will hold more truth, rather than you just speculating (like a suit does).
NFS shift and batman for two pretty new games that fit that description...
Forza 3 is released this week, which would explain why Shift is being looked over. Plus Batman had exclusive content for the PS3.
you are like alabama to their guns.
if a joker character or whatever the DLC was swayed sales in favour of the ps3, with 6 million extra 360 units out there, then it says it all.
did people go out and buy a ps3 just to play as the joker?
or did they just buy it on their new system...
for multiplatform games to perform better on ps3 a while ago was almost unthinkable. now its getting to be the norm.
as more people buy ps3's, they will want to buy the games on that console. its logic... or are you trying to tell me that 360 is outselling the ps3?
Your premise is flawed since it presumes all 6+ million additional Xbox 360 owners are interested in Batman: AA. Personally I chose not to buy it at release because I was spending moeny on other games at the time, and I've only just ordered it recently second-hand, thus my purchase of the game will not register on the official charts. This goes both ways of course, at least potentially, and thus underscores that statistics will only take you so far.
PSN will stamp on LIVE's balls. they will need to bring the price down, not up.
interest in the 360 is waning in favour for the ps3. nobody wants to pay a sub anymore.
Your almost as bad as Michael Pachter, grasshopper .
fifa 10 worldwide sold an extra 93k units on ps3, and that with the 360's extra millions install base. i'd say thats proof the tide is turning.
new multiformat titles are getting picked up on ps3 now, as thats what people are playing these days. a lot of 360s are just lying by the wayside. its install base is getting irrelevant.
The vast majority of Fifa sales would have been in the EU and im pretty sure that MS and Sony are pretty level in this territory, I was under the impression that most Multi Platform Games perform better on the 360 although there are always exceptions to the norm.
If you can tell me what other Multi Platform Games perform better on PS3 then your arguement will hold more truth, rather than you just speculating (like a suit does).
NFS shift and batman for two pretty new games that fit that description...
Oooo can I play too.
Current games that have sold better on the 360 than the PS3.
Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising, NBA2K10, NBA Live 10, Madden NFL 10, Guitar Hero 5 and Dirt2.
Also the initial sales spike caused by the PS3 slim is dropping off as can be seen by the 12% fall in sales for the PS3 compared to the 5% fall for the 360. Then there is the tie ratio for the 360 at 8.06 compared with 6.27 for the PS3 which is beaten by the wii at 6.29.
Stats are great aren't they.....
bearing in mind that killzone 2, an old ps3 game, sold better than the 360 version of dirt 2 this week...
and whats the tie ratio got to do with it... the wii being very slightly ahead, but with double the consoles sold, im surprised you even mentioned that. hardly a trump for nintendo. it actually reads better for sony. fool. you'll take any ammo you can find. even if its duff.
and i never said ALL ps3 multiplatform games now sell better on 360... did i?!
pointing out the change in trend, dont get your knickers in a twist - its only going to get worse for the 360.
Jesus, Svd. Do you really need to have it spelled out for you? If the Wii has a higher attachment rate and it has a much larger installation base than Sony, then guess which company is making more money (note: price factors need to be considered, both for the consoles and the games, however since many console games seem to be similarly priced that is a non-issue in this case)? And that's before profit margins are even factored in....How you can construe that as a disadvantage for Nintendo is hugely ignorant because it implies you are only looking at the surface figure and grasping at anything that you think just might make Sony look better. In this case you failed (yet again).
rockstar said themselves that the DVD format limited them, they told MS to find a storage solution. they didnt, they dont get agent. rockstar also say that they are looking forward to using bluray on itself.
agent is better than the second coming of jesus.
its the spiritual successor to the best game franchise ever. a sandbox by rockstar north is as good as it gets in my gaming book.
It's not a successor to anything, spiritually or otherwise - it's a standalone title, a new IP. Because of that, I doubt it'll have many similarities to GTA as we know it.....obviously, that could be a good thing - but it could also go either way.
I just really wouldn't get my hopes up too high, it's unlikely that we'll see anything about it in the near future and we definitely won't be able to get a true judgement on it until it's fully released.
Speculation is little more than a waste of everybodys time and getting excited about something so distant is for children.
SVD's on form today! Anyway, I think I'll set aside some time to reflect on my unthinkable and stupid decision to invest and stick with my 360.
There, there old chap! Apparently we can be stupid together for choosing to invest in a console system in order to play games and have fun.
Personally I just finished playing "GoW 2" last night (I'm still catching up in terms of playing through my games catalog). Once I got over the initial annoyance with lame duck precision on a console controller (PC FPS fellow here), it was fantastic! If you haven't played it yet I highly recommend it.
rockstar said themselves that the DVD format limited them, they told MS to find a storage solution. they didnt, they dont get agent. rockstar also say that they are looking forward to using bluray on itself.
agent is better than the second coming of jesus.
its the spiritual successor to the best game franchise ever. a sandbox by rockstar north is as good as it gets in my gaming book.
If anyone ever were in need of a live sample of what it means to be a "fanboy", this is it!
SVD's on form today! Anyway, I think I'll set aside some time to reflect on my unthinkable and stupid decision to invest and stick with my 360.
There, there old chap! Apparently we can be stupid together for choosing to invest in a console system in order to play games and have fun.
Personally I just finished playing "GoW 2" last night (I'm still catching up in terms of playing through my games catalog). Once I got over the initial annoyance with lame duck precision on a console controller (PC FPS fellow here), it was fantastic! If you haven't played it yet I highly recommend it.
Great game! I'll be playing through it again soon, as I invested in a Surround Sound system not long ago and that game would be amazing on it!
rockstar said themselves that the DVD format limited them, they told MS to find a storage solution. they didnt, they dont get agent. rockstar also say that they are looking forward to using bluray on itself.
agent is better than the second coming of jesus.
its the spiritual successor to the best game franchise ever. a sandbox by rockstar north is as good as it gets in my gaming book.
If anyone ever were in need of a live sample of what it means to be a "fanboy", this is it!
jealous?
you stick to playing your Ł5-a-pop back catalogue. us true gamers will be playing brand new boundary pushing titles like UC2, GT5 and AGENT.
Oh, and if you could give me some concrete details of what AGENT is, what its about and what 'revolutionary' features we can expect, that would be great.
SVD's on form today! Anyway, I think I'll set aside some time to reflect on my unthinkable and stupid decision to invest and stick with my 360.
There, there old chap! Apparently we can be stupid together for choosing to invest in a console system in order to play games and have fun.
Personally I just finished playing "GoW 2" last night (I'm still catching up in terms of playing through my games catalog). Once I got over the initial annoyance with lame duck precision on a console controller (PC FPS fellow here), it was fantastic! If you haven't played it yet I highly recommend it.
Great game! I'll be playing through it again soon, as I invested in a Surround Sound system not long ago and that game would be amazing on it!
Ouh! Good call!
Even though my surround system currently only plays full surround sound when playing 5.1 enabled DVDs, the sound quality and volume are still both impressive when playing games. Have you found a way to get your Xbox 360 to utilise all 5 speakers (or more)?
My current system is lovely, yet I've been unable to find a way to connect my Xbox 360 to the DVD unit that is optically connected to the TV, and thus while the the Xbox 360 is conneceted to the TV with an HDMI cable, and the sound does indeed come from the surround system's speakers, it does not utiilise all five speakers. Any tips would be greatly appreciated though I do enjoy the sound quality as it is.
rockstar said themselves that the DVD format limited them, they told MS to find a storage solution. they didnt, they dont get agent. rockstar also say that they are looking forward to using bluray on itself.
agent is better than the second coming of jesus.
its the spiritual successor to the best game franchise ever. a sandbox by rockstar north is as good as it gets in my gaming book.
If anyone ever were in need of a live sample of what it means to be a "fanboy", this is it!
jealous?
you stick to playing your Ł5-a-pop back catalogue. us true gamers will be playing brand new boundary pushing titles like UC2, GT5 and AGENT.
Of "Agent"? Nah; I haven't seen or read much about it. Perhaps that will change with time.
Of you? Certainly not.
As for my spending habits on games and electronics, you have no clue whatsoever, as to what I spend.
PSN will stamp on LIVE's balls. they will need to bring the price down, not up.
interest in the 360 is waning in favour for the ps3. nobody wants to pay a sub anymore.
Your almost as bad as Michael Pachter, grasshopper .
fifa 10 worldwide sold an extra 93k units on ps3, and that with the 360's extra millions install base. i'd say thats proof the tide is turning.
new multiformat titles are getting picked up on ps3 now, as thats what people are playing these days. a lot of 360s are just lying by the wayside. its install base is getting irrelevant.
That's not proof at all. I wouldn't be surprised if the extra sales come from the fact that EA run the official online tournament on PS3's exclusively.
oh aye, thats it.
its not just fifa multiformat that done better on ps3. both sales and pre-orders of new games are topping out on ps3. and sales of the slim are way higher than the 360. its logic. stop clinging.
Or maybe it's because the PlayStation has always been a football/chav favourite?
...or an xbox even. I'd love to have a zbox, wonder if it would read disks, cause mine is struggling and microsoft want to charge me 80 quid to replace the drive, that they themselves had put in back in February.
Apparently you only get a 3 month guarantee on parts on repairs under warranty.
What a crock.........Microsoft are a bunch of dicks.
PSN will stamp on LIVE's balls. they will need to bring the price down, not up.
interest in the 360 is waning in favour for the ps3. nobody wants to pay a sub anymore.
Your almost as bad as Michael Pachter, grasshopper .
fifa 10 worldwide sold an extra 93k units on ps3, and that with the 360's extra millions install base. i'd say thats proof the tide is turning.
new multiformat titles are getting picked up on ps3 now, as thats what people are playing these days. a lot of 360s are just lying by the wayside. its install base is getting irrelevant.
The vast majority of Fifa sales would have been in the EU and im pretty sure that MS and Sony are pretty level in this territory, I was under the impression that most Multi Platform Games perform better on the 360 although there are always exceptions to the norm.
If you can tell me what other Multi Platform Games perform better on PS3 then your arguement will hold more truth, rather than you just speculating (like a suit does).
NFS shift and batman for two pretty new games that fit that description...
Oooo can I play too.
Current games that have sold better on the 360 than the PS3.
Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising, NBA2K10, NBA Live 10, Madden NFL 10, Guitar Hero 5 and Dirt2.
Also the initial sales spike caused by the PS3 slim is dropping off as can be seen by the 12% fall in sales for the PS3 compared to the 5% fall for the 360. Then there is the tie ratio for the 360 at 8.06 compared with 6.27 for the PS3 which is beaten by the wii at 6.29.
Stats are great aren't they.....
bearing in mind that killzone 2, an old ps3 game, sold better than the 360 version of dirt 2 this week...
and whats the tie ratio got to do with it... the wii being very slightly ahead, but with double the consoles sold, im surprised you even mentioned that. hardly a trump for nintendo. it actually reads better for sony. fool. you'll take any ammo you can find. even if its duff.
and i never said ALL ps3 multiplatform games now sell better on 360... did i?!
pointing out the change in trend, dont get your knickers in a twist - its only going to get worse for the 360.
Erm tie ratio is erm a ratio and therefore not dependent on the hardware sales. It shows on average how many games are sold per console. If PS3 has a low tie ratio that means users buy less games than the 360 and Wii. So it is not exactly duff info it is potentially one of the most important stats of them all. And I know you did not say that all multi format games sell better on PS3 but I was just trying to point out that if you look at the stats in different ways you can make up you very own analysts judgment no matter how relevant it may be (ie your dubious fifa 10 argument).
As a gamer I am not particularly interested in which game sold better on which format, I am interested in games, games and more games regardless of the format. In fact now the PS3 has come down in price I am very tempted to get one if not only for LBP and Uncharted 2 and some of the great PSN games. However unless there is some other reason to get a ps3 version of a multi-format game I will be getting the 360 versions as for the majority of games (beat em'ups aside) the 360 pad is far superior which is an important point for me. That said I would have got SF4 on the PS3 as the 360 d-pad is plain rubbish (Oh how I long for a wii version so I can use the classic controller).
FlimFlam wrote: I'm surprised SVD has the time to play any games, given how long he spends on here spitting irrelevant petty nonsense...
The one question I would love to hear your opinion on Grasshopper is... Who do you think cares?
about 10 people in this thread so far. who took interest in your slebberings?
and there we see the problem... You take people's reaction to your inane and generally odious comments to be interest in what you are saying. A common trait in the socially retarded.
FlimFlam wrote: I'm surprised SVD has the time to play any games, given how long he spends on here spitting irrelevant petty nonsense...
The one question I would love to hear your opinion on Grasshopper is... Who do you think cares?
about 10 people in this thread so far. who took interest in your slebberings?
and there we see the problem... You take people's reaction to your inane and generally odious comments to be interest in what you are saying. A common trait in the socially retarded.
any reaction is better than no reaction.
you dont even make a dent.
if you care so little, ignore. not being able to do so highlights your need to feel superior. anonymously.
SVD's on form today! Anyway, I think I'll set aside some time to reflect on my unthinkable and stupid decision to invest and stick with my 360.
There, there old chap! Apparently we can be stupid together for choosing to invest in a console system in order to play games and have fun.
Personally I just finished playing "GoW 2" last night (I'm still catching up in terms of playing through my games catalog). Once I got over the initial annoyance with lame duck precision on a console controller (PC FPS fellow here), it was fantastic! If you haven't played it yet I highly recommend it.
Great game! I'll be playing through it again soon, as I invested in a Surround Sound system not long ago and that game would be amazing on it!
Ouh! Good call!
Even though my surround system currently only plays full surround sound when playing 5.1 enabled DVDs, the sound quality and volume are still both impressive when playing games. Have you found a way to get your Xbox 360 to utilise all 5 speakers (or more)?
My current system is lovely, yet I've been unable to find a way to connect my Xbox 360 to the DVD unit that is optically connected to the TV, and thus while the the Xbox 360 is conneceted to the TV with an HDMI cable, and the sound does indeed come from the surround system's speakers, it does not utiilise all five speakers. Any tips would be greatly appreciated though I do enjoy the sound quality as it is.
Can't help I'm afraid. My setup is 2:1 at the moment as it's only a stop gap until LG release http://hk.lge.com/prodmodeldetail.do?actType=search&page=1&modelCategoryId=0306&categoryId=0306&parentId=03&modelCodeDisplay=HB954TBW&model=NOTHING
SVD's on form today! Anyway, I think I'll set aside some time to reflect on my unthinkable and stupid decision to invest and stick with my 360.
There, there old chap! Apparently we can be stupid together for choosing to invest in a console system in order to play games and have fun.
Personally I just finished playing "GoW 2" last night (I'm still catching up in terms of playing through my games catalog). Once I got over the initial annoyance with lame duck precision on a console controller (PC FPS fellow here), it was fantastic! If you haven't played it yet I highly recommend it.
Great game! I'll be playing through it again soon, as I invested in a Surround Sound system not long ago and that game would be amazing on it!
Ouh! Good call!
Even though my surround system currently only plays full surround sound when playing 5.1 enabled DVDs, the sound quality and volume are still both impressive when playing games. Have you found a way to get your Xbox 360 to utilise all 5 speakers (or more)?
My current system is lovely, yet I've been unable to find a way to connect my Xbox 360 to the DVD unit that is optically connected to the TV, and thus while the the Xbox 360 is conneceted to the TV with an HDMI cable, and the sound does indeed come from the surround system's speakers, it does not utiilise all five speakers. Any tips would be greatly appreciated though I do enjoy the sound quality as it is.
Why have you connected the dvd optically to the tv? I would connect them both optically or co-axle to your amp directly and cut out a potential weak link. Also please tell me you have not been ripped off by paying more than Ł5 for an optical cable...
SVD's on form today! Anyway, I think I'll set aside some time to reflect on my unthinkable and stupid decision to invest and stick with my 360.
There, there old chap! Apparently we can be stupid together for choosing to invest in a console system in order to play games and have fun.
Personally I just finished playing "GoW 2" last night (I'm still catching up in terms of playing through my games catalog). Once I got over the initial annoyance with lame duck precision on a console controller (PC FPS fellow here), it was fantastic! If you haven't played it yet I highly recommend it.
Great game! I'll be playing through it again soon, as I invested in a Surround Sound system not long ago and that game would be amazing on it!
Ouh! Good call!
Even though my surround system currently only plays full surround sound when playing 5.1 enabled DVDs, the sound quality and volume are still both impressive when playing games. Have you found a way to get your Xbox 360 to utilise all 5 speakers (or more)?
My current system is lovely, yet I've been unable to find a way to connect my Xbox 360 to the DVD unit that is optically connected to the TV, and thus while the the Xbox 360 is conneceted to the TV with an HDMI cable, and the sound does indeed come from the surround system's speakers, it does not utiilise all five speakers. Any tips would be greatly appreciated though I do enjoy the sound quality as it is.
Can't help I'm afraid. My setup is 2:1 at the moment as it's only a stop gap until LG release http://hk.lge.com/prodmodeldetail.do?actType=search&page=1&modelCategoryId=0306&categoryId=0306&parentId=03&modelCodeDisplay=HB954TBW&model=NOTHING
Speaking of a 2.1 setup, and seeing as you folk seem to know more about these electronic wizardry, can I just buy an PC set of speakers and plug them into the headphone jack on my LCD, or do I need to buy specific connectors etc for it?
well done xbox owners, clever to support this highly honest corporation, who after beating Sony and Nintendo down with money raised from the joke Vista will relish the opportunity to charge more, great happy ending ,down with Microsoft ,hurrah's for Sony and Nintendo hope you both win
SVD's on form today! Anyway, I think I'll set aside some time to reflect on my unthinkable and stupid decision to invest and stick with my 360.
There, there old chap! Apparently we can be stupid together for choosing to invest in a console system in order to play games and have fun.
Personally I just finished playing "GoW 2" last night (I'm still catching up in terms of playing through my games catalog). Once I got over the initial annoyance with lame duck precision on a console controller (PC FPS fellow here), it was fantastic! If you haven't played it yet I highly recommend it.
Great game! I'll be playing through it again soon, as I invested in a Surround Sound system not long ago and that game would be amazing on it!
Ouh! Good call!
Even though my surround system currently only plays full surround sound when playing 5.1 enabled DVDs, the sound quality and volume are still both impressive when playing games. Have you found a way to get your Xbox 360 to utilise all 5 speakers (or more)?
My current system is lovely, yet I've been unable to find a way to connect my Xbox 360 to the DVD unit that is optically connected to the TV, and thus while the the Xbox 360 is conneceted to the TV with an HDMI cable, and the sound does indeed come from the surround system's speakers, it does not utiilise all five speakers. Any tips would be greatly appreciated though I do enjoy the sound quality as it is.
Can't help I'm afraid. My setup is 2:1 at the moment as it's only a stop gap until LG release http://hk.lge.com/prodmodeldetail.do?actType=search&page=1&modelCategoryId=0306&categoryId=0306&parentId=03&modelCodeDisplay=HB954TBW&model=NOTHING
Speaking of a 2.1 setup, and seeing as you folk seem to know more about these electronic wizardry, can I just buy an PC set of speakers and plug them into the headphone jack on my LCD, or do I need to buy specific connectors etc for it?
If you have a headphone jack then you can use any pc speakers, if it only has the red and white audio outputs then you will need to either make sure the speakers can take that input or simply get an adapter to convert to a headphone jack.
well done xbox owners, clever to support this highly honest corporation, who after beating Sony and Nintendo down with money raised from the joke Vista will relish the opportunity to charge more, great happy ending ,down with Microsoft ,hurrah's for Sony and Nintendo hope you both win
Yeah Microsoft have really beaten down Nintendo! The bastards!
well done xbox owners, clever to support this highly honest corporation, who after beating Sony and Nintendo down with money raised from the joke Vista will relish the opportunity to charge more, great happy ending ,down with Microsoft ,hurrah's for Sony and Nintendo hope you both win
They are all corporates and are all after your money. Sony are hardly angels, offering memory stick for most of their products instead of SD cards and don't even get me started on the PSP GO fiasco. Also Sony shut down the best import shop through very underhand tactics and are also part of the same company that is spending a fortune in an attempt to get laws past in order to remain in control of the music and film industry. Nintendo are also not angels having along with Sony been found guilty of price fixing.
svd ahhh svd, that comment u made about the Ł5 games catolougue just really proves how you are not a gamer, i picked up dead space for a mear fiver and had hours of enjoyment same with enchanted arms i got 50+ hours out of that game and it cost me a fiver, so go back to your sony pit and your mum told me she wants the basement clean by 4pm or youll be banned from rubbing her feet and you wont be able to go out to spy on that girl youve stalked contineusly since high school
Another story specific to the Xbox, another forum discussion, and a new bunch of mindless posts by the biggest Xbox obsessive - svd_grasshopper.
Why doesn't this guy just buy himself a 360 and be done with it. I've never seen anyone try so desperately to argue against other peoples tastes and opinions.
I'm pretty sure every 360 fan on the forum is looking forward to Gran Tourismo's release... so finally the one who calls himself grasshopper will have something to be happy about, and something to keep his whiney facts and figures about console and game sales off our screens. Life must be impossible for the dickless wonder when it's so important to know how well a product is selling before making a purchase. I suspect finding out the global sales figures of my next pair of jeans won't make me any happier.
Live is better than PSN by a country mile It's nice that PSN is free but it has a lot to improve Live is well priced at Ł40 (in reality more like Ł20 now if you know where to shop) If Live did go to Ł60 it is still Ł5 per moth for the best host platform of all the consoles I would be surpirsed if PSN continues to be free as it adds more features in the future
Live is better than PSN by a country mile It's nice that PSN is free but it has a lot to improve Live is well priced at Ł40 (in reality more like Ł20 now if you know where to shop) If Live did go to Ł60 it is still Ł5 per moth for the best host platform of all the consoles I would be surpirsed if PSN continues to be free as it adds more features in the future
The end
I can't see them charging for it at least in this generation as they have made a song and dance about it being free. However it is entirely possible that they may raise the licensing fees (and therefore possibly the retail price) to cover their costs.
Live is better than PSN by a country mile It's nice that PSN is free but it has a lot to improve Live is well priced at Ł40 (in reality more like Ł20 now if you know where to shop) If Live did go to Ł60 it is still Ł5 per moth for the best host platform of all the consoles I would be surpirsed if PSN continues to be free as it adds more features in the future
Another story specific to the Xbox, another forum discussion, and a new bunch of mindless posts by the biggest Xbox obsessive - svd_grasshopper.
Why doesn't this guy just buy himself a 360 and be done with it. I've never seen anyone try so desperately to argue against other peoples tastes and opinions.
I'm pretty sure every 360 fan on the forum is looking forward to Gran Tourismo's release... so finally the one who calls himself grasshopper will have something to be happy about, and something to keep his whiney facts and figures about console and game sales off our screens. Life must be impossible for the dickless wonder when it's so important to know how well a product is selling before making a purchase. I suspect finding out the global sales figures of my next pair of jeans won't make me any happier.
That's my second reason why I anticipate its release! The first being it'll be a good game of course, but that ones not far off!
Live is better than PSN by a country mile It's nice that PSN is free but it has a lot to improve Live is well priced at Ł40 (in reality more like Ł20 now if you know where to shop) If Live did go to Ł60 it is still Ł5 per moth for the best host platform of all the consoles I would be surpirsed if PSN continues to be free as it adds more features in the future
Live is better than PSN by a country mile It's nice that PSN is free but it has a lot to improve Live is well priced at Ł40 (in reality more like Ł20 now if you know where to shop) If Live did go to Ł60 it is still Ł5 per moth for the best host platform of all the consoles I would be surpirsed if PSN continues to be free as it adds more features in the future
(trying desperately to justify this to myself!)
The end
Ok, son!
i think you end line under your reply says it all
All that is necessary for the triumph of Microsoft is that good men do nothing.
rockstar said themselves that the DVD format limited them, they told MS to find a storage solution. they didnt, they dont get agent. rockstar also say that they are looking forward to using bluray on itself.
agent is better than the second coming of jesus.
its the spiritual successor to the best game franchise ever. a sandbox by rockstar north is as good as it gets in my gaming book.
If anyone ever were in need of a live sample of what it means to be a "fanboy", this is it!
jealous?
you stick to playing your Ł5-a-pop back catalogue. us true gamers will be playing brand new boundary pushing titles like UC2, GT5 and AGENT.
You don't even own a console though, so how the hell can you come up with comments like that?
Do us all a favour....go and use that credit you're always buying things with, get a PS3 and them come back and spout your bile with an informed opinion....not one where you're just plucking numbers out of the air.
If they charge anymore itll be a joke,psn is geting better all the time and ps3 has the best games coming out in the future,uncharted 2 is amazing online,i have a pc ps3 360,i prefer live but at the end of the day im only prepared to pay Ł39.99 a year,its a joke microsoft squeezes us until we s**t our pants
SVD's on form today! Anyway, I think I'll set aside some time to reflect on my unthinkable and stupid decision to invest and stick with my 360.
There, there old chap! Apparently we can be stupid together for choosing to invest in a console system in order to play games and have fun.
Personally I just finished playing "GoW 2" last night (I'm still catching up in terms of playing through my games catalog). Once I got over the initial annoyance with lame duck precision on a console controller (PC FPS fellow here), it was fantastic! If you haven't played it yet I highly recommend it.
Great game! I'll be playing through it again soon, as I invested in a Surround Sound system not long ago and that game would be amazing on it!
Ouh! Good call!
Even though my surround system currently only plays full surround sound when playing 5.1 enabled DVDs, the sound quality and volume are still both impressive when playing games. Have you found a way to get your Xbox 360 to utilise all 5 speakers (or more)?
My current system is lovely, yet I've been unable to find a way to connect my Xbox 360 to the DVD unit that is optically connected to the TV, and thus while the the Xbox 360 is conneceted to the TV with an HDMI cable, and the sound does indeed come from the surround system's speakers, it does not utiilise all five speakers. Any tips would be greatly appreciated though I do enjoy the sound quality as it is.
Can't help I'm afraid. My setup is 2:1 at the moment as it's only a stop gap until LG release http://hk.lge.com/prodmodeldetail.do?actType=search&page=1&modelCategoryId=0306&categoryId=0306&parentId=03&modelCodeDisplay=HB954TBW&model=NOTHING
That does look tasty, IMO. Let me know how they sound once you get 'em home.
rockstar said themselves that the DVD format limited them, they told MS to find a storage solution. they didnt, they dont get agent. rockstar also say that they are looking forward to using bluray on itself.
agent is better than the second coming of jesus.
its the spiritual successor to the best game franchise ever. a sandbox by rockstar north is as good as it gets in my gaming book.
If anyone ever were in need of a live sample of what it means to be a "fanboy", this is it!
jealous?
you stick to playing your Ł5-a-pop back catalogue. us true gamers will be playing brand new boundary pushing titles like UC2, GT5 and AGENT.
You don't even own a console though, so how the hell can you come up with comments like that?
Do us all a favour....go and use that credit you're always buying things with, get a PS3 and them come back and spout your bile with an informed opinion....not one where you're just plucking numbers out of the air.
Numbskull.......
ive owned a 360 before the ps3 came out. its a f**king awful console. i still have all my ps3 games and PSN account and intended on coming back. i am now playing games on my pc.
SVD's on form today! Anyway, I think I'll set aside some time to reflect on my unthinkable and stupid decision to invest and stick with my 360.
There, there old chap! Apparently we can be stupid together for choosing to invest in a console system in order to play games and have fun.
Personally I just finished playing "GoW 2" last night (I'm still catching up in terms of playing through my games catalog). Once I got over the initial annoyance with lame duck precision on a console controller (PC FPS fellow here), it was fantastic! If you haven't played it yet I highly recommend it.
Great game! I'll be playing through it again soon, as I invested in a Surround Sound system not long ago and that game would be amazing on it!
Ouh! Good call!
Even though my surround system currently only plays full surround sound when playing 5.1 enabled DVDs, the sound quality and volume are still both impressive when playing games. Have you found a way to get your Xbox 360 to utilise all 5 speakers (or more)?
My current system is lovely, yet I've been unable to find a way to connect my Xbox 360 to the DVD unit that is optically connected to the TV, and thus while the the Xbox 360 is conneceted to the TV with an HDMI cable, and the sound does indeed come from the surround system's speakers, it does not utiilise all five speakers. Any tips would be greatly appreciated though I do enjoy the sound quality as it is.
Why have you connected the dvd optically to the tv? I would connect them both optically or co-axle to your amp directly and cut out a potential weak link. Also please tell me you have not been ripped off by paying more than Ł5 for an optical cable...
I too think this calls for a co-axle solution, and not to worry: I didn't fall for the "Oh-but-gold-plated-ends-means-a-better-image" rubbish. That might have been true of the old Scart cables to a limited extent, but certainly not with optical cables. It's like the 1-0 system; either it works or it doesn't, although apparently the length of the cable can affect the signal (the longer the cable, the greater the delay).
I too think this calls for a co-axle solution, and not to worry: I didn't fall for the "Oh-but-gold-plated-ends-means-a-better-image" rubbish. That might have been true of the old Scart cables to a limited extent, but certainly not with optical cables. It's like the 1-0 system; either it works or it doesn't, although apparently the length of the cable can affect the signal (the longer the cable, the greater the delay).
SVD's on form today! Anyway, I think I'll set aside some time to reflect on my unthinkable and stupid decision to invest and stick with my 360.
There, there old chap! Apparently we can be stupid together for choosing to invest in a console system in order to play games and have fun.
Personally I just finished playing "GoW 2" last night (I'm still catching up in terms of playing through my games catalog). Once I got over the initial annoyance with lame duck precision on a console controller (PC FPS fellow here), it was fantastic! If you haven't played it yet I highly recommend it.
Great game! I'll be playing through it again soon, as I invested in a Surround Sound system not long ago and that game would be amazing on it!
Ouh! Good call!
Even though my surround system currently only plays full surround sound when playing 5.1 enabled DVDs, the sound quality and volume are still both impressive when playing games. Have you found a way to get your Xbox 360 to utilise all 5 speakers (or more)?
My current system is lovely, yet I've been unable to find a way to connect my Xbox 360 to the DVD unit that is optically connected to the TV, and thus while the the Xbox 360 is conneceted to the TV with an HDMI cable, and the sound does indeed come from the surround system's speakers, it does not utiilise all five speakers. Any tips would be greatly appreciated though I do enjoy the sound quality as it is.
Why have you connected the dvd optically to the tv? I would connect them both optically or co-axle to your amp directly and cut out a potential weak link. Also please tell me you have not been ripped off by paying more than Ł5 for an optical cable...
I too think this calls for a co-axle solution, and not to worry: I didn't fall for the "Oh-but-gold-plated-ends-means-a-better-image" rubbish. That might have been true of the old Scart cables to a limited extent, but certainly not with optical cables. It's like the 1-0 system; either it works or it doesn't, although apparently the length of the cable can affect the signal (the longer the cable, the greater the delay).
The distance does have an influence although you would need to be transferring over a large distance for it to make a difference with optical cables. Co-axial on the other hand does degrade quicker but is still good for the distances normally needed to hook up hifi equipment. I have my 360 directly connected to the amp via an optical lead and the amp automatically switches to Dolby Digital when available. To be honest though I mostly play through the tv sound due to the hassle of switching on all my equipment for a short gaming session. Some games sound excellent with surround sound though (eg COD4).
some are more underhanded than others , all no angels i agree ,but microsoft winning would be disaster on a number of levels
Why? They are no worse than the others, releasing a botched OS does not make them any worse than Sony installing root kits on your computer.
Everyone said the same thing when Sony entered the console market.
I would argue that knowingly passing root kits on to unsuspecting customers is far, far worse than releasing a top heavy OS (which now looks set to be rectified by the imminent release of Windows 7).
The former is of dubious legality, in fact, Sony has already lost one lawsuit regaring root kits on it's music CDs/DVDs. The latter is more a matter of awkward design and is not illegal.
I too think this calls for a co-axle solution, and not to worry: I didn't fall for the "Oh-but-gold-plated-ends-means-a-better-image" rubbish. That might have been true of the old Scart cables to a limited extent, but certainly not with optical cables. It's like the 1-0 system; either it works or it doesn't, although apparently the length of the cable can affect the signal (the longer the cable, the greater the delay).
a joint axle of a car?
or co-axial cable...
Just because you seem to care so much about a single typo that both Leefear and I carried out (note that we still undersood what the other was referring to), I'm going to leave that one unchanged just so you can continue to obsess over it. Does your skin itch already, Svd?
I too think this calls for a co-axle solution, and not to worry: I didn't fall for the "Oh-but-gold-plated-ends-means-a-better-image" rubbish. That might have been true of the old Scart cables to a limited extent, but certainly not with optical cables. It's like the 1-0 system; either it works or it doesn't, although apparently the length of the cable can affect the signal (the longer the cable, the greater the delay).
a joint axle of a car?
or co-axial cable...
Just because you seem to care so much about a single typo that both Leefear and I carried out (note that we still undersood what the other was referring to), I'm going to leave that one unchanged just so you can continue to obsess over it. Does your skin itch already, Svd?
fifa 10 worldwide sold an extra 93k units on ps3, and that with the 360's extra millions install base. i'd say thats proof the tide is turning.
You plonker! Fifa 10 sold more on the PS3 becuase Europe loves FIFA and loves the PS3. However NFL Football 10 sold more on the 360 becuase the USA loves the 360 and loves the NFL. Its a regional difference that is all.
I actually don't like MS or the 360 either, but you wont win any friends here by ignoring facts
I wouldn't worry about this. This anal-ist is probably just some pro-Sony muppet trying to put people off the Xbox 360 by saying that the XBL price is going up.
@ kfd, co-ax is unlikely to work, it will more than probably remain 2:1, If you run Phono cables (red/white) from the "audio out" of your tv into the "audio in " on your sound system, it should then be 5:1 sound, the only drawback is it will be analogue ( all the sounds go to all the speakers) as opposed to digital through the optical which can split the signal.
P.s SVD thanks, your comments have made an extraordinarily boring day at work much more fun to bear.
the only bottom line here is that you need a life svd_grasshopper, calling only_777 pathetic? take a look in the mirror and go play some games, oh i forgot you dont own a console my bad
the only bottom line here is that you need a life svd_grasshopper, calling only_777 pathetic? take a look in the mirror and go play some games, oh i forgot you dont own a console my bad
the only bottom line here is that you need a life svd_grasshopper, calling only_777 pathetic? take a look in the mirror and go play some games, oh i forgot you dont own a console my bad
the only bottom line here is that you need a life svd_grasshopper, calling only_777 pathetic? take a look in the mirror and go play some games, oh i forgot you dont own a console my bad
the only bottom line here is that you need a life svd_grasshopper, calling only_777 pathetic? take a look in the mirror and go play some games, oh i forgot you dont own a console my bad
the only bottom line here is that you need a life svd_grasshopper, calling only_777 pathetic? take a look in the mirror and go play some games, oh i forgot you dont own a console my bad
loser. i've just finished playing operation flashpoint on pc... or is that not a game?!
stupid console lemming.
only_777 moves his post to the front because noone answered him, and you post the same post 5 times.
ive owned a 360 before the ps3 came out. its a f**king awful console. i still have all my ps3 games and PSN account and intended on coming back. i am now playing games on my pc.
i am more informed than you.
FAIL!
The very fact you say its awful just shows how little you know. Yes it may have some faults, but so does the PS3...and so definitely does the PC! To use the word 'awful' just shows you up to be a child.
You have now lost any crumb of credibility in here...I would stick to Eurogamer from now on. You have spent the last God know’s how long sucking Sony’s dick, yet you have now sold your PS3???? That means you cannot be playing the remarkable Uncharted 2? Oh dear. Stick to reading Max Power.
Having both the PS3 and an Xbox I think Live is well worth the Ł28 a year and probably the RRP price. Anymore would be questionable. To be honest, I would pay Sony too if it hurrys them up to sort out PSN!!
I too think this calls for a co-axle solution, and not to worry: I didn't fall for the "Oh-but-gold-plated-ends-means-a-better-image" rubbish. That might have been true of the old Scart cables to a limited extent, but certainly not with optical cables. It's like the 1-0 system; either it works or it doesn't, although apparently the length of the cable can affect the signal (the longer the cable, the greater the delay).
a joint axle of a car?
or co-axial cable...
Just because you seem to care so much about a single typo that both Leefear and I carried out (note that we still undersood what the other was referring to), I'm going to leave that one unchanged just so you can continue to obsess over it. Does your skin itch already, Svd?
@ kfd, co-ax is unlikely to work, it will more than probably remain 2:1, If you run Phono cables (red/white) from the "audio out" of your tv into the "audio in " on your sound system, it should then be 5:1 sound, the only drawback is it will be analogue ( all the sounds go to all the speakers) as opposed to digital through the optical which can split the signal.
P.s SVD thanks, your comments have made an extraordinarily boring day at work much more fun to bear.
Cheers Ewko; I appreciate the input. I think I may have found a less body-contorting-wire-fixing solution however: an optical TOSlink splitter. I've ordered one which comes with three 1m optical cables at a decent price, so fingers crossed it will do the trick!
I did get the Xbox 360 dongle I have to work with surround sound, but then I'd have to switch back forth with the optical cable and that's just not convenient (not to mention it wears and tears on the cables a lot more).
When the PS3 came out I was full of hope that MS would drop the XBL price. But nope. Now they are preparing the market for a price increase. PS3 here I come.
ive owned a 360 before the ps3 came out. its a f**king awful console. i still have all my ps3 games and PSN account and intended on coming back. i am now playing games on my pc.
i am more informed than you.
FAIL!
The very fact you say its awful just shows how little you know. Yes it may have some faults, but so does the PS3...and so definitely does the PC! To use the word 'awful' just shows you up to be a child.
You have now lost any crumb of credibility in here...I would stick to Eurogamer from now on. You have spent the last God know’s how long sucking Sony’s dick, yet you have now sold your PS3???? That means you cannot be playing the remarkable Uncharted 2? Oh dear. Stick to reading Max Power.
Having both the PS3 and an Xbox I think Live is well worth the Ł28 a year and probably the RRP price. Anymore would be questionable. To be honest, I would pay Sony too if it hurrys them up to sort out PSN!!
@ kfd, co-ax is unlikely to work, it will more than probably remain 2:1, If you run Phono cables (red/white) from the "audio out" of your tv into the "audio in " on your sound system, it should then be 5:1 sound, the only drawback is it will be analogue ( all the sounds go to all the speakers) as opposed to digital through the optical which can split the signal.
P.s SVD thanks, your comments have made an extraordinarily boring day at work much more fun to bear.
You do understand that digital co-axial is digital and therefore can transport dolby digital or dts? The red and white phono cables will only transport pro-logic or pro-logic 2.
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I think I may have found a less body-contorting-wire-fixing solution however: an optical TOSlink splitter. I've ordered one which comes with three 1m optical cables at a decent price, so fingers crossed it will do the trick!
