Turn 10 game director Dan Greenawalt believes it'll be difficult for any other dev team to "replicate" what Turn 10 has done with Forza Motorsport 3.
"I've got huge respect for Yamauchi and what the Polyphony Digital team does, they're a great developer. But do I personally feel confident that it would be difficult for any other racing game to do this," he told CVG in regard to Forza 3's physics.
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1:36Does Turn-10's latest racer look any different?
"We run our physics at 360Hz," added Greenawalt. "I don't know of any other game that does that. That takes a commitment to physics, not just about making sure you have beautiful graphics.
"Forza 2 had great physics and okay graphics. Now Forza 3 has great physics and great graphics, because we learned more about the box. But we still prioritise physics first, not graphics first. That is one of the differences.
"Gran Turismo is a great game and when it comes out I'll play it. But I think that without the partnerships and without the commitment, it will be very difficult for another team to replicate what we've done."
I think this guy/studio need to show a little humility. It seems every other day I'm seeing a quote originating from Turn 10 about how great Forza is, all of which is pre-release. What happened to letting people not connected to you shout about how great you are? Isn't that how respect and appreciation is earned? While I'll be buying Forza 3 once the price starts to drop (thank you Amazon marketplace sellers!) this constant need for gratification is starting to wear thin.
Booyah! I'm so excited about this. Best driving game this generation so far. Its Metacritic score is insane. If GT5 can keep up with this then racing fans are in for the best year of gaming ever! Forza 3 just set the new mark and i'm about to explode out of excitement and the fact i've put about thirty hours of gaming into its demo!
I love gaming, I love racing, I love Forza.
Oh and its not a simulation, its an invitation.............................. .....to suck it haterz
Yes I believe thats the appropriate slang terminology the youth would use. Huzzah's all around.
I dont think Polophony will issue this many comments when GT5 is released. Forza devs are running themselves into the ground by quote quote quote when it isnt necessary.
They've created a and evolved a great game, now let it fly and sit back. Stop these silly remarks or I will be forced to look at the game in a negative light. If it proves to be better than GT5 then a whole hearted pat on the back is much deserved, apart from that, stop mentioning it!
Actually it's GT fanc*nts that need to shut the f*ck up. Seriously, you lot come across as so bitter it's untrue. We all know why Sony fanc*nts are such a bunch of miserable kids. You've had to wait years for a game that is going to be nothing more than sad sequel with a million cars.
Face the fact and shut the f*ck up about it... Forza is by far the superior racing game. Polyphony could spend another five years on that piece of sh*t racer of theirs and all they'd end up with are more cars.
Forza has a physics engine a Sony game is unlikely to touch this generation. The worse thing about Forza is that it's so much better than GT, Sony fanc*nts have been made to feel pathetic and jealous. Sony fanc*nts are the most envious bunch of kids.
I hope you realise as Forza fans we're trying to feel sympathetic. You've bought the worse console. You're forced to a sh*t ancient joypad. You've backed a racing game by the laziest developers in videogames. You're the largest collective of losers on the planet. I used to try to feel sorry for you, but not now. Now I seriously wish bad luck upon your miserable lives.
Actually it's Forza fanc*nts that need to shut the f*ck up. Seriously, you lot come across as so bitter it's untrue. We all know why Microsoft fanc*nts are such a bunch of miserable kids. You've had to wait years for a game that is going to be nothing more than sad sequel with a million cars.
Face the fact and shut the f*ck up about it... Gran Tourismo is by far the superior racing game. Turn 10 could spend another five years on that piece of sh*t racer of theirs and all they'd end up with are more cars.
Gran Tourismo has a physics engine a Microsoft game is unlikely to touch this generation. The worse thing about Grand Tourismo is that it's so much better than Forza, Microsoft fanc*nts have been made to feel pathetic and jealous. Microsoft fanc*nts are the most envious bunch of kids.
I hope you realise as Gran Tourismo fans we're trying to feel sympathetic. You've bought the worse console. You're forced to a sh*t ancient joypad. You've backed a racing game by the laziest developers in videogames. You're the largest collective of losers on the planet. I used to try to feel sorry for you, but not now. Now I seriously wish bad luck upon your miserable lives.
Actually it's Forza fanc*nts that need to shut the f*ck up. Seriously, you lot come across as so bitter it's untrue. We all know why Microsoft fanc*nts are such a bunch of miserable kids. You've had to wait years for a game that is going to be nothing more than sad sequel with a million cars.
Face the fact and shut the f*ck up about it... Gran Tourismo is by far the superior racing game. Turn 10 could spend another five years on that piece of sh*t racer of theirs and all they'd end up with are more cars.
Gran Tourismo has a physics engine a Microsoft game is unlikely to touch this generation. The worse thing about Grand Tourismo is that it's so much better than Forza, Microsoft fanc*nts have been made to feel pathetic and jealous. Microsoft fanc*nts are the most envious bunch of kids.
I hope you realise as Gran Tourismo fans we're trying to feel sympathetic. You've bought the worse console. You're forced to a sh*t ancient joypad. You've backed a racing game by the laziest developers in videogames. You're the largest collective of losers on the planet. I used to try to feel sorry for you, but not now. Now I seriously wish bad luck upon your miserable lives.
Actually it's people that need to shut the f*ck up. Seriously, people come across as so bitter it's untrue. We all know why people are such a bunch of miserable kids. You've had to wait years for a world that is going to be nothing more than sad sequel with a million people.
Face the fact and shut the f*ck up about it... Earth is by far the superior planet. People could spend another five years on that piece of sh*t planet of theirs and all they'd end up with are more people.
Earth has a physics engine another planet is unlikely to touch this generation. The worse thing about Earth is that it's so much better than Mars, People have been made to feel pathetic and jealous. People are the most envious bunch of kids.
I hope you realise as Earth fans we're trying to feel sympathetic. You've bought the worse console. You're forced to a sh*t ancient Aztec race. You've backed a planet by the laziest people in space. You're the largest collective of losers on the planet. I used to try to feel sorry for you, but not now. Now I seriously wish bad luck upon your miserable lives.
Actually it's people that need to shut the f*ck up. Seriously, people come across as so bitter it's untrue. We all know why people are such a bunch of miserable kids. You've had to wait years for a world that is going to be nothing more than sad sequel with a million people.
Face the fact and shut the f*ck up about it... Earth is by far the superior planet. People could spend another five years on that piece of sh*t planet of theirs and all they'd end up with are more people.
Earth has a physics engine another planet is unlikely to touch this generation. The worse thing about Earth is that it's so much better than Mars, People have been made to feel pathetic and jealous. People are the most envious bunch of kids.
I hope you realise as Earth fans we're trying to feel sympathetic. You've bought the worse console. You're forced to a sh*t ancient Aztec race. You've backed a planet by the laziest people in space. You're the largest collective of losers on the planet. I used to try to feel sorry for you, but not now. Now I seriously wish bad luck upon your miserable lives.
I agree! Also Mars doesn't have much of an atmosphere.
Hahaha you have to love Jensonjet, a man who every time you check out a game he's made some stupid comment on it, normally it's a codemaster's game mind but. good job .
amazing how I'm attacked on the forum. Say how I'm bitter and about how GT5 won't measure up to fortza, even when I have said nothing about both games. All I said was these guys need to shut up, everyday I hear more garbage from them, about how great we are they need to just shut.
Polyphony doesn't have to overhype their game because the Sony fanboys will do it too much for them. Just like the Killzone games. Forza earned it's respect with the first 2 games and the improvements each one brought. We're on #5 with the GT series and only now "might" it have damage. GT is old and tired like the PGR series which has been wisely put to rest.
Actually it's CVG fanc*nts that need to shut the f*ck up. Seriously, you lot come across as so bitter it's untrue. We all know why CVG fanc*nts are such a bunch of miserable kids. You've had to wait years for a website that is going to be nothing more than sad layout with a million fanc*nts.
Face the fact and shut the f*ck up about it... Other sites are by far the superior sites. CVG could spend another five years on that piece of sh*t of theirs and all they'd end up with are more nonsense.
Other sites have a physics engine a CVG site is unlikely to touch this generation. The worse thing about other sites is that they're so much better than CVG, CVG fanc*nts have been made to feel pathetic and jealous. CVG fanc*nts are the most envious bunch of kids.
I hope you realise as fans of other sites we're trying to feel sympathetic. You've bought into the worse site. You're forced to a sh*t ancient layout. You've backed a site by the laziest guys in videogames. You're the largest collective of losers on the planet. I used to try to feel sorry for you, but not now. Now I seriously wish bad luck upon your miserable lives.
(Don't ban me CVG, I just wanted to see if that would fit lol I secretly love you)
Actually it's people that need to shut the f*ck up. Seriously, people come across as so bitter it's untrue. We all know why people are such a bunch of miserable kids. You've had to wait years for a world that is going to be nothing more than sad sequel with a million people.
Face the fact and shut the f*ck up about it... Earth is by far the superior planet. People could spend another five years on that piece of sh*t planet of theirs and all they'd end up with are more people.
Earth has a physics engine another planet is unlikely to touch this generation. The worse thing about Earth is that it's so much better than Mars, People have been made to feel pathetic and jealous. People are the most envious bunch of kids.
I hope you realise as Earth fans we're trying to feel sympathetic. You've bought the worse console. You're forced to a sh*t ancient Aztec race. You've backed a planet by the laziest people in space. You're the largest collective of losers on the planet. I used to try to feel sorry for you, but not now. Now I seriously wish bad luck upon your miserable lives.
I agree! Also Mars doesn't have much of an atmosphere.
I spat the coffee I was drinking onto my keyboard because of that. Good job it was a cheap one.
Actually it's people that need to shut the f*ck up. Seriously, people come across as so bitter it's untrue.
People like Dan Greenawalt...
FM3's physics run at 360Hz? Wow, there was me thinking the only thing running that fast in FM3 was Dan Greenawalt's potty mouth.
I hope you realise as Forza fans we're trying to feel sympathetic. You've bought the worse console. You're forced to a sh*t ancient joypad. You've backed a racing game by the laziest developers in videogames. You're the largest collective of losers on the planet. I used to try to feel sorry for you, but not now. Now I seriously wish bad luck upon your miserable lives.
You've just plunged console fanboyism to an all new low. Maybe next generation you will buy the "worst" console and you'll have no friends and no-one to play games with.
Polyphony doesn't have to overhype their game because the Sony fanboys will do it too much for them.
The Sony fanboys? I see, so you're another XBox 360 fan c*ck. How about all the GT fans that are out there, they're all automatically Sony fanboys?
Shouldn't FM fans be hyping FM3? No? XBox 360 fans should be hyping FM3? No? Why's Greenawalt the only noise anyone's hearing (and laughing at) then?
Why's there so much animosity towards GT, shouldn't you all be trying to sell the new Forza game?
Forza earned it's respect with the first 2 games and the improvements each one brought.
If the Forza games are so much better than Gran Turismo, the sales don't show it. FM2 has only sold 4 million copies. Predictions for FM3 sales are similar. GT5 sold over 3M copies in 1 year and that was on a console with a smaller user base. GT5P's not even a complete game!
Many GT fans bought or at least played FM2. In spite of this, GT fans still want GT5.
It's clear that Greenawalt is trying to boost sales by running his mouth. Saying FM3 is better than anything Polyphony can do is pathetic and stupid, no-one will actually believe him - and why should they? It's clear GT5 has better graphics than Forza 3. We know real-time damage is coming to GT5. We know GT5 has a new physics engine, new online, etc. We know GT5 is going to feature a lot more than just new cars & tracks. What is there to like about Greenawalt's attitude and lies?
Every flaw that DOES exist in Forza 3 will now get flak. I don't think negative comments or articles about Forza 3 glitches and bugs is what Turn 10 wants for their game. Turn 10 should be looking to sell their game by talking just about their game and not drawing attention to rivals, particularly when their rival looks better visually - and will make a great first impression on the uninitiated! Turn 10 haven't got a clue what Polyphony Digital are doing and no-one really cares what Greenawalt's opinion is. He's said far too much already.
Turn 10 haven't got a clue what Polyphony Digital are doing
Thats actually sort of sweet, in reality both companies know exactly what the other is doing. They actually get on really well which is why Dan's mouthing off came as a shock first time I heard it and a disappointment every time after.
He doesn't need to shout, Forza 3 has set the benchmark for racers and Polyphony Digital have clearly taken this onboard judging by all the last minute changes being made.
In reality neither company is in direct competition with each other, they just produce games that fuel a larger conflict. The push to better each others game is a fantastic side effect for gamers. For example, if you think damage would've been in GT5 without Forza 2 you're lying to yourself, games companies don't usually add such major changes to a game so late, hence the original talk of only specific cars with damage. Similarly if you think in car views would've been in Forza 3 without GT5P you're insane.
I have a lot of respect for GT, it completely changed racing sims but its changed very little over time, Forza has changed drastically and because of this Polyphony has been forced to change dramatically, how can this rivalry be anything other than awesome for us!
With that said Dan is harmless but being a typical over mouthy American, ignore him and enjoy what currently and possibly, maybe (it has a good shot at it, Polyphony has its work cut out for it), potentially, might be this generations best racer. It'll definitely be in the top two, of that we can be sure.
Enjoy it race fans, its a good year to be a sim fan and I see only better days on the horizon.
Hahaha you have to love Jensonjet, a man who every time you check out a game he's made some stupid comment on it, normally it's a codemaster's game mind but. good job .
Parky92, I express opinions. I have never read, or at least don't remember you attempting to put up an argument to anything I may have written in the past. I can probably guess why. Yes, I make comments about Codemasters – always on a gaming forum, always an opinion based on past or present experience. Perhaps you feel you have a counter-argument to my comments. If you ever feel smart enough to put those thoughts into writing I'll discuss them with you. But of course, you daren't express a opinion, it's just easier to attempt to ridicule others.
starsail, You are barely worth replying to. Maybe I don't understand your 'humour', but just rewording another post is about as dum and childish as forum messages get. Again, if you actually have an opinion or care to discuss the merits and downfalls of Forza vs GT, let's hear your thoughts... or are you incapable of expressing such a thing?
Settingsoul, You leave the first message in a Forza forum and it's short and negative. Not too disimilar to the kind of message the average GT fan usually leaves in Forza-related forum. I mistook for one of those dum GT fan schoolboys, and if that's not the case, I'm sorry. But the message still stands as it wasn't aimed specifically at you but to all the Forza-obssessed Sony-loving kids.
LordVonPS3, I'll ignore your specific comments about me as you've actually attempted to justify why GT is the better game, I'll reply to that. Believe it or not graphics aren't always the deciding factor as to whether a game is any good, or better than another. At least not to all gamers. And I don't believe for a second that you play GT purely because it's a better looking racer than another. How shallow a decision is that.
Why any gamer cares about game sales is beyond me. Perhaps this is your logic behind everything? Do you assume the car/watch/computer/etc that sells the most is the best? If so, what are you doing with a Playstation?
You're making the same argument a GT fan will make, I just wanted to show this, no humour necessary. Putting me down by partially criticising my humour (when I wasn't even joking) still doesn't negate the fact that you’re a bit of an offensive idiot, seriously read over your post "10 Oct 09 12:08 pm" and if you can't see this, then I cant help.
But don't worry though, I forgive you
Lets get serious. Gran Tourismo 5 is rumoured to have over 950 cars. Up to 70 circuits including the one from Top Gear. It also features a damage model new to the series. A new physics engine built on PS3 Cell tech developed by a team with over a decade of playstation experience. There's a private room chat as well as text and voice chat. Online photo album. Online replay album. The ability to export replays to YouTube. It offers Playstation eye support. Comes on a single Blu-Ray disc. Supports 16 player online racing and slip screen racing. Offers Rally modes. Nascar racing (dont object simply because of EAs handling) as well as other unconfirmed modes. It runs at 60 frames per second and comparisions to Forza suggest its a graphically superior game.
But before we start to bad mouth it, lets see some sense and wait for its release.
Starsail, You copy and pasted my whole message changing some words and you claim you weren't doing that to be funny? Fine, that's clearly an intelligent reply to another's post. I agree I lowered myself to the level of the average Forza-forum-posting-GT-fanc*nt for that message. And take this as offensively as you like, but f**k you I don't need your forgiveness.
Anyway, let's get on with justification about why GT is the better game in your eyes...
Gran Tourismo 5 is rumoured to have over 950 cars. Up to 70 circuits including the one from Top Gear.
So that's what make it better than Forza? So a game with 955 would be even better? In any racing that I or any friend has played people find a handful of cars they like and spend 99% of the time racing those. If GT had 950 tracks and 70 cars, I would agree that that gives GT a massive advantage over Forza. I could argue that Forza has more tracks than GT, but I actually accept you might be a gamer who insists on, and loves, driving every car in a game. As for the Top Gear track – if that's important to you over any proper ractrack then you and I are very different race-game fans. I happen to prefer real race tracks than bits of old airfields to race around.
It also features a damage model new to the series.
As it happens I think damage is wasted in driving games. Most races online have damaged turned off because many gamers lack the skill to keep their car from being damaged. As Forza has had damage for so long, it's an odd thing to boast about as a GT fan.
A new physics engine built on PS3 Cell tech developed by a team with over a decade of playstation experience.
A new physics engine? Doesn't every racing game ever released claim this? What has the age of the developer got to do with anything? Are you suggesting old developers make better games than new one? Should we all ignore games from new developers because they surely must be worse than old developer games? That is an extraordinary argument. But yeah, Polyphony and the Playstation are older than Turn 10 and the Xbox, but you'll forgive me for not caring.
There's a private room chat as well as text and voice chat.
I have a little experience of the PS3 and it's online gaming. From what I've experienced, very few PS3 gamers care to communicate in-game. And the majority that I've heard sound very young. I'm not denying the 360 also has a large majority of young gamers, but there are definately fewer using headsets on the Playstation. To suggest that being able to text or chat in a game makes one better than another is strange beyond belief. For me that's like a friend boasting that they have a telephone in their home.
It offers Playstation eye support.
Ok you got me there. Forza doesn't do that. But I don't think this feature makes GT better than Forza. It's different, that's all.
Comes on a single Blu-Ray disc.
Blimey that's impressive! Many PS3 games need to be downloaded to hard drive from my understanding, and it can take quite some time. All 360 games can be played without downloading. But who cares? Does it matter whether one machine uses discs or another uses cartridges. Or one console can play games instantly or another needs to have the game loaded onto it's hard drive? Unless a 360 owner is into blu-ray movies it's of little interest to us of course. Blu-ray will be dead and superceded one day. It's a storage device, it's not exciting. None of my games come on blu-ray, does that mean they must all be crap? Seriously, next you'll boast your dad's car has rubber tyres!
Supports 16 player online racing and slip screen racing.
From what I understand Forza had online racing before GT but again, who cares? PC games allow far more players than console games. Different systems and different games have differing specs. When GT didn't have any online play did you stop playing? Of course not. Let's hope all 16 online players get good clean connections or you may discover one of the disadvantages of 16 player racing.
Offers Rally modes. I happen to love rally racing. But I'd prefer a game devoted to the sport than a half-assed attempt within a game that doesn't specialise in it. But again, we play and enjoy what we get out of the box. I'm very happy with Forza as it is. As it happens I would love Turn 10 to make a specific rally game, but I'm not concerned there isn't any rallying in Forza.
Nascar racing (dont object simply because of EAs handling) as well as other unconfirmed modes. Years ago TOCA 2 had many disciplines of racing and it was a good game. Is Forza worse for not having trucks, buggies or Nasca... for me no. Perhaps it's important to you that GT has Nascar, but you have to realise there are plenty of gamers out there that don't need Nascar in their racing game to fully enjoy it.
It runs at 60 frames per second and comparisions to Forza suggest its a graphically superior game. Forza also runs at 60fps. Had it not, then I would agree that GT would have a very large advantage over Forza. As for graphics, yes GT looks a little better. But for me a game is more than just graphics. There are many features in Forza I really like that GT hasn't got. And as much as I don't care about GT features, you shouldn't care about Forza's. You have a PS3 and will buy GT, I have a 360 and will buy Forza.
But to back up my original argument about PSfanc*nts like yourself... you infest Forza forums, spewing out your weak arguments about how "GT is better" and for what purpose? You won't make any Forza fan change their mind. Whatever advantage you see in GT is of little consequence to Forza fans. As for f**king listing all the advantages of GT on a Forza forum... get a life dude. You sound like a paranoid GT-obssessed child.
Believe it or not graphics aren't always the deciding factor as to whether a game is any good, or better than another. At least not to all gamers. I don't believe for a second that you play GT purely because it's a better looking racer than another. How shallow a decision is that.
I love the way GT is presented. I love the handling in GT. I love the longevity of a GT game. I love some of the music that comes with the GT games. I love doing lap after lap after lap in time trial on GT. I even love playing GT online. There are a lot of things to love about GT, but the first thing I (or anyone) will see when I switch on my console is how a game looks.
When someone watches a TV ad for Gran Turismo 5, they'll see exactly how good it looks. That's going to be their first impression of the game. It will look amazing and that person who'll have heard GT fans talking and talking about GT5 may also then rush out to buy the game. All GT fans will rush to buy GT5 on day 1 anyway - that's why they're fans. It's as simple as that.
GT5 looks better and will sell better than FM3. The point you are missing Jensonjet, is that companies are there to make money. Polyphony Digital have made a lot more money with GT than Turn 10 with FM. It is harder being the new boy to the party. Look at Microsoft's "Zune", look at Microsoft's "Bing"...
I don't blame Microsoft & Turn 10 wanting a slice of Sony & PD's pie. I don't blame Turn 10 for creating competition in the space. I don't blame Turn 10 for promoting their game and I don't blame Turn 10 if they call their game the best racing / driving game... IF ONLY THEY'D LEAVE IT AT THAT. To come out and say FM3 is the best racing game this generation. To come out and say GT has seen its day and the baton has now been passed to FM. To come out and talk sh*t the way Dan Greenawalt has, well... He's losing money. I don't care if FM3 is the best racing game when the guy responsible for it is an arrogant fool. Not many people who own PS3's will go out and buy a X360 for FM3 because of Greenawalt's rants. He's actually turning people against the company he works for and their game. All the mags say FM3 handles a lot like FM2 (which I got hold of for Ł5). All the mags say FM3's main new features are rewind and 1 button driving to make the game more accessible to noobs. I'm not a noob, so FM3 doesn't offer me much more than FM2.
Whether GT5 is a better overall / more complete package, is up to the individual. There are many more millions of GT fans than there are FM fans. We already know GT5 won't get the livery editor that FM3 has. If GT5 does everything else to a higher quality than FM3, does the occlusion of 1 feature mean it isn't a better game? Maybe to a magazine like CVG & maybe to a gamer who is intent on all features being present - even if they're less than perfect (e.g. physics & crash modelling) or have very little to do with driving (e.g. livery editor).
Why any gamer cares about game sales is beyond me. Perhaps this is your logic behind everything? Do you assume the car/watch/computer/etc that sells the most is the best? If so, what are you doing with a Playstation?
If a game doesn't sell, it doesn't get made again. For your information, I own everything.
I feel the same way about Forza as you do about GT. The difference between us, and the reason you and the other GT fanboys are beyond annoying now, is that some of you feel a constant need to slag off Forza in a Forza forum with weak or unimportant arguments. OK, so you've had to wait an age for your game and news on GT is light on ground, but is it really necessary to s**t all over Forza forums? I'm sure you appreciate that I don't try and start p**sing contests in GT forums. Maybe this comes from your frustration of waiting for a release date. Maybe it comes from a paranoia of supporting and no doubt boasting about playing what was once considered the best racing game that now has some serious competition.
Don't worry though, when it's released in a couple of weeks there'll be very little news about Forza and you'll have to pick on another 360 game to slag off.
J) So that's what make it better than Forza? So a game with 955 would be even better? In any racing that I or any friend has played people find a handful of cars they like and spend 99% of the time racing those. If GT had 950 tracks and 70 cars, I would agree that that gives GT a massive advantage over Forza. I could argue that Forza has more tracks than GT, but I actually accept you might be a gamer who insists on, and loves, driving every car in a game. As for the Top Gear track – if that's important to you over any proper ractrack then you and I are very different race-game fans. I happen to prefer real race tracks than bits of old airfields to race around. S) GT5 offers more variety for the player. How you find less a benefit is beyond me. Even after reading your pointless excuse ridden argument.
J) As it happens I think damage is wasted in driving games. Most races online have damaged turned off because many gamers lack the skill to keep their car from being damaged. As Forza has had damage for so long, it's an odd thing to boast about as a GT fan. S) Yup, it improves the series with the effects it has on the cars performance, thus again improving the wonderful series rather than being another straight forward sequel (like you tried to imply)
J) A new physics engine? Doesn't every racing game ever released claim this? What has the age of the developer got to do with anything? Are you suggesting old developers make better games than new one? Should we all ignore games from new developers because they surely must be worse than old developer games? That is an extraordinary argument. But yeah, Polyphony and the Playstation are older than Turn 10 and the Xbox, but you'll forgive me for not caring. S) So Polyphony (the developer of the entire Gran Turismo series) can't report on the development of a new physics engine on PlayStation 3 dev kits because you simply don’t believe them… are you a small child?
J) I have a little experience of the PS3 and it's online gaming. From what I've experienced, very few PS3 gamers care to communicate in-game. And the majority that I've heard sound very young. I'm not denying the 360 also has a large majority of young gamers, but there are definately fewer using headsets on the Playstation. To suggest that being able to text or chat in a game makes one better than another is strange beyond belief. For me that's like a friend boasting that they have a telephone in their home. S) PlayStation 3 gaming is very mature and enough users communicate via voice chat, Ive experienced no difference between the users on Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3
J) Ok you got me there. Forza doesn't do that. But I don't think this feature makes GT better than Forza. It's different, that's all. S) Its all about variety and GT5 offers more, Forza seems limited in comparison.
J) Blimey that's impressive! Many PS3 games need to be downloaded to hard drive from my understanding, and it can take quite some time. All 360 games can be played without downloading. But who cares? Does it matter whether one machine uses discs or another uses cartridges. Or one console can play games instantly or another needs to have the game loaded onto it's hard drive? Unless a 360 owner is into blu-ray movies it's of little interest to us of course. Blu-ray will be dead and superceded one day. It's a storage device, it's not exciting. None of my games come on blu-ray, does that mean they must all be crap? Seriously, next you'll boast your dad's car has rubber tyres! S) That’s because many are based on Xbox ports, Uncharted 2 doesn’t rely on this and neither will many others, in fact lots of games don't, they play just fine. Judging by Forzas hellish loading times, it should have been available to download to a hard drive, but hey, when you turn a blind eye to it to support Forza, its not a problem, eh?
J) From what I understand Forza had online racing before GT but again, who cares? PC games allow far more players than console games. Different systems and different games have differing specs. When GT didn't have any online play did you stop playing? Of course not. Let's hope all 16 online players get good clean connections or you may discover one of the disadvantages of 16 player racing. S)Ha LMAO Forza only has 8 player online racing. More variety on 16 player races and this also demonstrates PSNs advantage over outdated services such as Live.
J) I happen to love rally racing. But I'd prefer a game devoted to the sport than a half-assed attempt within a game that doesn't specialise in it. But again, we play and enjoy what we get out of the box. I'm very happy with Forza as it is. As it happens I would love Turn 10 to make a specific rally game, but I'm not concerned there isn't any rallying in Forza. S) Its all about the variety, Forza has no rally mode but as someone fond of the sport I can access it in GT5, not too mention GT5s other racing modes, proven great in the past entries to the series.
J) Years ago TOCA 2 had many disciplines of racing and it was a good game. Is Forza worse for not having trucks, buggies or Nasca... for me no. Perhaps it's important to you that GT has Nascar, but you have to realise there are plenty of gamers out there that don't need Nascar in their racing game to fully enjoy it. S) GT5 doesn’t claim to have buggies or trucks either, just pure racing gold and variety at the same price as the limited Forza.
J) Forza also runs at 60fps. Had it not, then I would agree that GT would have a very large advantage over Forza. As for graphics, yes GT looks a little better. But for me a game is more than just graphics. There are many features in Forza I really like that GT hasn't got. And as much as I don't care about GT features, you shouldn't care about Forza's. You have a PS3 and will buy GT, I have a 360 and will buy Forza. S) SEE comments by LordvonPS3
J) But to back up my original argument about PSfanc*nts like yourself... you infest Forza forums, spewing out your weak arguments about how "GT is better" and for what purpose? You won't make any Forza fan change their mind. Whatever advantage you see in GT is of little consequence to Forza fans. As for f**king listing all the advantages of GT on a Forza forum... get a life dude. You sound like a paranoid GT-obssessed child. S) You brought this up and challenged me to a debate, don’t start crying about it or I shall think you're a wee child in which case, I'll forgive you
Another thing, there seems to be a misconception that PSN has lagging problems and such. This seems to be a misconception made by those who have never played on it. I've played both Resistance titles (given their vast numbers of players per game) and Killzone 2 (32 players anyone?) and I've experienced the same odd lag experience on Live. No difference and certainly not beyond that of a slight annoyance when it rarely rears its head.
psn put me off cause its full of chavs and neds and immature c**ks like you starsail, at least lordvon seems mature, he is the type of fanboy i would happily play with, ands itrs immature people like you that put me off the ps3, you are fast becoming the most hated member on this forum, watch out grasshopper
starsail I have no idea what your problem is. Save your 'GT is perfect' argument for someone who cares. I stopped reading your message after the first couple of paragraphs. Perhaps you might be able to convert another Forza fan, but you're wasting your time with me. If you hadn't already guessed – I have a 360 and love Forza. I don't have a PS3 and obviously don't care about GT. While I'm happy to read about other games, if I'm ever obsessive about a game, it's a game I like rather than dislike.
I will buy Forza because I happen to think it's an amazing game. I'm sure it's utter crap to you and I'm sure you'll explaining why many times in future. Clearly any attempt to explain what an annoying little s**t you are, as GT fan in a Forza forum, slagging off Forza is wasted on you.
I'm getting both, Forza 3 with a Fanatec wheel and GT5 with a Logitech. Guess what? I'm so excited about both I feel like you both own competing sweet shops and at night I'm going to break in and steal the best sweets from both. You'll never hear me over your fighting.
Mwa ha ha, there are already enough good reasons for any sane race fan to buy both.
I'm going to race my Forza cars all the way to GT5 and then mix and match depending on what I feel like any given day. What a choice! I'll be in race heaven.
I feel the same way about Forza as you do about GT. The difference between us, and the reason you and the other GT fanboys are beyond annoying now, is that some of you feel a constant need to slag off Forza in a Forza forum with weak or unimportant arguments. OK, so you've had to wait an age for your game and news on GT is light on ground, but is it really necessary to s**t all over Forza forums? I'm sure you appreciate that I don't try and start p**sing contests in GT forums. Maybe this comes from your frustration of waiting for a release date. Maybe it comes from a paranoia of supporting and no doubt boasting about playing what was once considered the best racing game that now has some serious competition.
Don't worry though, when it's released in a couple of weeks there'll be very little news about Forza and you'll have to pick on another 360 game to slag off.
Well I hope you are annoyed.
It's a pity Dan Greenawalt had to talk about GT when he should be promoting FM3. That's very annoying to quite a few people too!
It amazes me to read how childish people get when a ruddy console they like gets a bit of criticism. To suggest I'm getting to be the most hated on the board only seems to stem from fanboys who hate PlayStation 3 and its games. Thats irrational nonsense so wise up. I explained why I create a little fire on the 'Tratton suggesting Sony winning is healthy for the industry' board, around commet 86 so go have a read and stop belittling me personaly (unless you want me to engage in a proper discussion or do you prefer slapping and running?).
People who are "angry" and Dan G for "slagging" GT, have you not considered where these quotes come from?
He was answering specific questions put to him by journalists. He isn't issuing his own press releases. If he's asked what he thinks of GT, he always starts by praising the series' history.
GT was clearly the fist game of it's type, but it is true it hasn't changed much in 4 iterations.
I'm pretty sure the "New" claim for GT5's physics is in comparison to GT4, not it's Demo / Prologue. (GT5p has the "new physics engine" claim too) Honestly, does the video we've seen of GT5 look any different to 5p? Methinks the driving model you will be getting in GT5 will be almost identical to 5p.
Greenwalt is bring all the criticism he is getting on himself. Period. HE said that Forza is "definitive." HE is the one dissing GT and HE is the one who won't shut up. Repeat: Greenwalt's stupid comments are bringing this criticism on himself and his game. If he had just kept his craphole shut, none of this would be happening. Should he talk up his game? Sure, why not? But you idiots who are defending his comments don't seem to understand the difference between talking about the good points of your game and sh*t talking. Bungie can talk about the features they've put into Halo without badmouthing, baiting, taunting and boasting. So can every other developer in the world. But, Greenwalt has to talk sh*t. Therefore, he deserves EVERY BIT of this heat. He sets himself up for it and let's be real: There is NOTHING...repeat NOTHING "definitive" about Forza. The physics may be awesome. The graphics may be great. The gameplay may be the bomb, but the word "definitive" suggests that it is significantly better than competitors. Forza may barely edge GT out on a few facets of the game. It may offer one or two features that GT won't. But, the opposite is also true. GT will offer things Forza can't match as well. Therefore, BY DEFINITION the word "definitive" as a description of his game is complete and epic FAIL.
Now, I didn't call his game definitive. He did. I didn't talk sh*t about PD. He did. And I did not put out a game that I promised would be the absolute best of it's generation, and then fail to deliver what I promised. He did. So, in short, f*ck him. F*ck his game. F*ck Turn 10 and f*ck anyone who defends his complete idiocy. He did it to himself and he deserves to be flamed. We, the gaming public, ought to have zero sympathy for people who talk loud and don't back it up.
Again, Bungie made a badass game when they created Halo. Did they talk sh*t? No, they let the game speak for itself. Did Naughty Dog talk s**t about Uncharted 2? No, they let the game speak for itself (and later got great praise from Infinity Ward, among others.) That's Greenwalt's problem. He can't let his game speak for itself. This suggests to me a high degree of insecurity over his own efforts. Forza may be a great game. And if Greenwalt hadn't repeatedly tried to shove in my face how great it was, I might actually care and give it a shot. As it is, Greenwalt is a liar and I for one will not buy his game. I think the other people who are annoyed by Greenwalt feel the same way. It has nothing to do with fanboyism. It has to do with a stupid loudmouth flapping his lips and not being able to back up his own talk. He deserves every last syllable of criticism and anyone who defends his sh*t talk is a complete douchebag.
Greenwalt is bring all the criticism he is getting on himself. Period. HE said that Forza is "definitive." HE is the one dissing GT and HE is the one who won't shut up. Repeat: Greenwalt's stupid comments are bringing this criticism on himself and his game. If he had just kept his craphole shut, none of this would be happening. Should he talk up his game? Sure, why not? But you idiots who are defending his comments don't seem to understand the difference between talking about the good points of your game and sh*t talking. Bungie can talk about the features they've put into Halo without badmouthing, baiting, taunting and boasting. So can every other developer in the world. But, Greenwalt has to talk sh*t. Therefore, he deserves EVERY BIT of this heat. He sets himself up for it and let's be real: There is NOTHING...repeat NOTHING "definitive" about Forza. The physics may be awesome. The graphics may be great. The gameplay may be the bomb, but the word "definitive" suggests that it is significantly better than competitors. Forza may barely edge GT out on a few facets of the game. It may offer one or two features that GT won't. But, the opposite is also true. GT will offer things Forza can't match as well. Therefore, BY DEFINITION the word "definitive" as a description of his game is complete and epic FAIL.
Now, I didn't call his game definitive. He did. I didn't talk sh*t about PD. He did. And I did not put out a game that I promised would be the absolute best of it's generation, and then fail to deliver what I promised. He did. So, in short, f*ck him. F*ck his game. F*ck Turn 10 and f*ck anyone who defends his complete idiocy. He did it to himself and he deserves to be flamed. We, the gaming public, ought to have zero sympathy for people who talk loud and don't back it up.
Again, Bungie made a badass game when they created Halo. Did they talk sh*t? No, they let the game speak for itself. Did Naughty Dog talk s**t about Uncharted 2? No, they let the game speak for itself (and later got great praise from Infinity Ward, among others.) That's Greenwalt's problem. He can't let his game speak for itself. This suggests to me a high degree of insecurity over his own efforts. Forza may be a great game. And if Greenwalt hadn't repeatedly tried to shove in my face how great it was, I might actually care and give it a shot. As it is, Greenwalt is a liar and I for one will not buy his game. I think the other people who are annoyed by Greenwalt feel the same way. It has nothing to do with fanboyism. It has to do with a stupid loudmouth flapping his lips and not being able to back up his own talk. He deserves every last syllable of criticism and anyone who defends his sh*t talk is a complete douchebag.
My hat is off to you sir for a salient and thought-out series of responses to some of the worst troll offenders this forum has seen over the past year+. Let the nay-saying SDF fanboys type what they will; someday soon (one can hope,) they'll wake up and realise that their PS3 doesn't actually represent the pinnacle of gaming hardware, nor will it bear their babies.
To those PS3 owners whom have somehow avoided the rabid mania that seems to manifest itself upon purchasing that particular console, my hat is off to you folks as well.
As for the rest of you....The less said, the better quite frankly.
Why would I be worried about a game I'm not interested in "stealing the limelight" of a game I'm definately purchasing? I really don't understand this PS-centric attitude that a system or game has to be the winner. If you haven't understood yet, I don't care about consoles I don't own. I don't care about games I don't want. For me I'm the winner because I chose the best console for me. Every game I buy is an absolute winner and the best for me. Oddly enough I have this attitude with everything. I guess there's a few PS3 owners that need to understand you can't go through life fighting everyone that makes different choices to you. If you want to believe GT is the winner, fine. For you it's perfection. But you're banging your head against a wall attempting to convince Forza fans. To give you the most basic analogy; next time you're in a restaurant (you could do this in McDonald's if that's the only place where you eat out) walk up to the nearest customer who's ordered different from you. Explain that they're wrong. Tell them all the advantages of the food you would order over theirs. Explain to them that the food you are ordering is a winner. Obviously no one is pathetic enough to do that (even a PS3 owner!), but imagine the response you would get. That's how 360 owners or Forza fans feel when you guys come into a Forza forum spewing all your "mine's better than yours" crap. For another gamer Dirt 2's better than both Forza and GT. Thank f*ck it's only some GT fans that are paranoid that their game has to be known as the winner.
The KFD Case, It's unbelievable how some of these kids react. I know the PS3 this generation has attracted a younger audience than the 360, but this paranoid attitude some of them display is weird. I can only imagine the anonymity of the internet fuels their argumentative nature. I can't imagine they react this way in public or around friends and family.
People who are "angry" and Dan G for "slagging" GT, have you not considered where these quotes come from? He was answering specific questions put to him by journalists. He isn't issuing his own press releases. If he's asked what he thinks of GT, he always starts by praising the series' history.
This is why XBots like Dan Greenawalt are so annoying. The most appropriate response to any such question should be "No comment, I prefer to talk about FM3."
It is one thing to use every opportunity to try to build hype for Turn 10's less popular game, but Dan Greenawalt is purposefully and foolishly responding to controversially posed questions. Greenawalt comes across as a tactless, classless, arrogant fool. Greenawalt's malevolent comments serve only to create animosity, regardless of his intention.
GT was clearly the fist game of it's type, but it is true it hasn't changed much in 4 iterations. I'm pretty sure the "New" claim for GT5's physics is in comparison to GT4, not it's Demo / Prologue. (GT5p has the "new physics engine" claim too)
I am sure you are completely wrong. Of course, XBots like you don't read articles and consequently don't know what you're talking about.
The last visit was the department of physics. A real mess of papers, dismantled car models, electronic whiteboards, erasable media, more paperwork and even action figures. It was chaos, but a controlled chaos. One had the feeling that every employee in the section knew where I was until the last post-it, and I could see it in their faces. This was the area of the company with more presence of workers. And had the most activity although, as I said, in theory they had the day off. They seemed to take their job seriously. Yamauchi is especially pleased and proud of the work of this department. Not surprisingly, as was said, the people obsess over physics formulas that determine the behavior of car accidents. The damage and deformation. The jewel in the crown of Gran Turismo 5, jealously guarded until the end. Obviously we could not see much because of the secrecy which enshrouds this section, but what I saw impressed me greatly.
Honestly, does the video we've seen of GT5 look any different to 5p? Methinks the driving model you will be getting in GT5 will be almost identical to 5p.
You're entitled to think what you like, but the fact is the video you've seen is of a demo and there is a tremendous amount of work left to do in the 6 months prior to GT5's launch.
Great. Lets hope it feels better than what we've played and seen to date then. And if there is additional realism / better tyre modelling from GT5 full, and it ends up feeling much more like Forza3, I'm sure you'll dislike it and go back to your preferred handling of Prologue and GT4..!
Why would I be worried about a game I'm not interested in "stealing the limelight" of a game I'm definately purchasing? I really don't understand this PS-centric attitude that a system or game has to be the winner. If you haven't understood yet, I don't care about consoles I don't own. I don't care about games I don't want. For me I'm the winner because I chose the best console for me. Every game I buy is an absolute winner and the best for me. Oddly enough I have this attitude with everything. I guess there's a few PS3 owners that need to understand you can't go through life fighting everyone that makes different choices to you. If you want to believe GT is the winner, fine. For you it's perfection. But you're banging your head against a wall attempting to convince Forza fans. To give you the most basic analogy; next time you're in a restaurant (you could do this in McDonald's if that's the only place where you eat out) walk up to the nearest customer who's ordered different from you. Explain that they're wrong. Tell them all the advantages of the food you would order over theirs. Explain to them that the food you are ordering is a winner. Obviously no one is pathetic enough to do that (even a PS3 owner!), but imagine the response you would get. That's how 360 owners or Forza fans feel when you guys come into a Forza forum spewing all your "mine's better than yours" crap. For another gamer Dirt 2's better than both Forza and GT. Thank f*ck it's only some GT fans that are paranoid that their game has to be known as the winner.
The KFD Case, It's unbelievable how some of these kids react. I know the PS3 this generation has attracted a younger audience than the 360, but this paranoid attitude some of them display is weird. I can only imagine the anonymity of the internet fuels their argumentative nature. I can't imagine they react this way in public or around friends and family.
Playing the indifferent gamer might've worked were it not for the embarrassingly infantile post you made on page 1.
Great. Lets hope it feels better than what we've played and seen to date then. And if there is additional realism / better tyre modelling from GT5 full, and it ends up feeling much more like Forza3, I'm sure you'll dislike it and go back to your preferred handling of Prologue and GT4..!
Happy waiting! ;op
Of course I would indeed be disappointed if GT5 ended up "feeling like FM3" as that's why Sensei is working so hard, he doesn't want to make the glaring errors Turn 10 has.
Mentioning realism and Forza 3 in the same sentence is never (2m30s+) the right thing to do is it ahhh!... So much for FM fans calling the GT's "bumper car" games... May the millions of GT fans enjoy a happy wait indeed!
and there is a tremendous amount of work left to do in the 6 months prior to GT5's launch.
So the quote from Kaz a mere few weeks ago that "We can release GT5 at any time" was clearly a LIE if it needs "a tremendous amount of work" to be competitive.
Online play in GT4, damage update for Prologue, hmm, more lies from Polyphony. I thought it was just Americans and Turn 10 specifically who lie about their games? lol. March 2010 is "sooner then expected" according to Kaz. With his track record I would take his promise of completely authentic crashes and deformation with a pinch of the white stuff.
So the quote from Kaz a mere few weeks ago that "We can release GT5 at any time" was clearly a LIE if it needs "a tremendous amount of work" to be competitive.
It wasn't a lie at all. You're the one saying GT5 "needs to be competitive", but you don't give any indication of what that means?!?! Not that you know what state GT5 is in or how it would "compete" if it were released day and date with FM3. It'd certainly sell more copies than FM3, so frankly your arguments all still amount to sh*t.
With his track record I would take his promise of completely authentic crashes and deformation with a pinch of the white stuff.
So that's what you've been snorting lately, no wonder you're talking sh*t!!!
I think car manufacturers might still have a small issue with showing crumple damage that would indicate almost certain instant death to the occupant of the vehicle, but if GT5 doesn't look like this at 60 mph head on, it's an Epic Fail. I look forward to your assessment of it.
If you don't understand what being "competitive" means relative to GT5's peers (although you would assert it has none, obviously.) then I suggest you go away until you've worked it out.
I'm not sure why they're spending 6 more months on it, because it's obviously already perfect??
I think car manufacturers might still have a small issue with showing crumple damage that would indicate almost certain instant death to the occupant of the vehicle, but if GT5 doesn't look like this at 60 mph head on, it's an Epic Fail. I look forward to your assessment of it.
You mean it's an epic fail for you.
I invite you to pull up a large chair & have a long seat.
If you don't understand what being "competitive" means relative to GT5's peers (although you would assert it has none, obviously.) then I suggest you go away until you've worked it out.
You'd have to mean GT PSP, GT4, GT3, GT2, GT...
GB: More than 10 years after Gran Turismo’s debut, what will you record from Polyphony Digital’s evolution?
KY: I will probably surprise you but, since more than 10 years I design Gran Turismos we never told ourselves that we were the best, the numbers one. As far as I search in my memories, I can’t remember a moment when we felt satisfied with what we’ve achieved because we always want to make it better. That being said, maybe that when everything will be over, the day I will not make video games anymore, I will feel this satisfaction… but this is not in the near future.
Sensei compares his work to his previous games, he's not the arrogant git Greenawalt is. I'm sure sensei will show discipline if GT5 sells more copies than the original GT.
I'm not sure why they're spending 6 more months on it, because it's obviously already perfect??
Fact is, you're not sure of anything. You're just talking sh*t!
If I was going to retro game I'd play something far more fun. Things that pretended to be simulation like old GT games do not age well or appeal in the slightest. Sega Rally is going to be on my telly later though..
If I was going to retro game I'd play something far more fun. Things that pretended to be simulation like old GT games do not age well or appeal in the slightest.
You mean in your (torrid, pathetic) opinion, they do not appeal to you.
Sega Rally is going to be on my telly later though..
I cannot fault you there, but your powers are weak old man! When you left Sega, you were but the learner. Now sensei is the master!
I thought I heard the graphics for Forza 3 were a letdown? Something to do with the Photo Mode, and the graphics in the game not matching up? GT5 does look amazing, so that's something that the 360 can't replicate, but the gameplay hasn't changed in 12 years. It's the same game over and over again. The amount of cars is amazing though, I think over 800? In addition to that, you have the WRC licence and the NASCAR *cough* licence, something that Forza doesn't have. These bigwigs need to stop talking rubbish.
I thought I heard the graphics for Forza 3 were a letdown? Something to do with the Photo Mode, and the graphics in the game not matching up? GT5 does look amazing, so that's something that the 360 can't replicate, but the gameplay hasn't changed in 12 years. It's the same game over and over again. The amount of cars is amazing though, I think over 800? In addition to that, you have the WRC licence and the NASCAR *cough* licence, something that Forza doesn't have. These bigwigs need to stop talking rubbish.
Unfortunately Bossman, you are talking rubbish. Why don't you read an article or two to understand what the situation really is before adding yet another incorrect (and pointless) post to those made by the XBots?
There's far too many people posting here who don't read the news, don't know what the situation is and are labelling GT5 prematurely.
I do agree with your sentiments about Dan Greenawalt however...
I'm a master of far more! I don't think Kaz could out code me on any front!
He's just a director and you can't give him all the credit for the success of the GT series. It was a fantastic "approximation" of driving for it's day and with the best graphics in generations past. Which I would credit the coders and artists for rather than him personally.
I'm a master of far more! I don't think Kaz could out code me on any front!
He's just a director and you can't give him all the credit for the success of the GT series. It was a fantastic "approximation" of driving for it's day and with the best graphics in generations past. Which I would credit the coders and artists for rather than him personally.
Ha ha ha, *YOU* say he's just a director... *YOU* can't give him credit...!! *YOU* are as arrogant as Dan Greenawalt, fool of a Took!
Wow. May your posts grow ever more rabid and your beard grow twice as long as that!
OK, "just a Director" was probably not the right way to put it. Clearly he's a "very good" and passionate Director.
But as the studio figurehead, he does get a lot more credit than he should. Some people even give him credit for Nissan's R35 GT-R because his company did the on board computer's user interface. He developed the whole car apparently!
None of which changes the fact that Forza 3 is an exceptional simulation, based on partnerships with Audi, Michelin and McLaren, and input from Peugeot sports car drivers. Which is the point of the story.
Regardless of what you think about Dan Greenawalt; regardless of how much text is in this thread; regardless of how good GT5 may be when it's released; regardless of how sh*t Lost is; regardless of the silly arguments this news post has caused:
Forza 3 (you know, the game - the important bit) is getting FANTASTIC reviews.
Gran Turismo is a great game and when it comes out I'll play it. But I think that without the partnerships and without the commitment, it will be very difficult for another team to replicate what we've done.
Rite thats why Polyphony have spent the last 5 years developing GT5, so yeah theres no commitment at all!wara w****r!
And Jensonjet it was your original comment/rant about "gt fans needing to shut the f**k" up that's really proven to us how mature you really are! but to do that and then to go on literally striving to prove how innocent you aren't and make it look that the ps3 users are the assholes is very pathetic! and KFD we all know your a closet 360 fanboy! funny stuff
Another way you could interpret Mr Griswald's words is that, as Polyphony DO have motoring partnerships and plenty of commitment, and he'd just said their game will be great, it will be difficult for Another team to replicate what we've done. ie. anyone other than T10 or Polyphony.
Another way you could interpret Mr Griswald's words is that, as Polyphony DO have motoring partnerships and plenty of commitment, and he'd just said their game will be great, it will be difficult for Another team to replicate what we've done. ie. anyone other than T10 or Polyphony.
Which would be true.
Who are you fooling? Your beard has reached 2415m.
Make the moon?
Wow, that reminds me of Forza 3!!! What a dog! No wonder it needs a rewind button!
I thought I heard the graphics for Forza 3 were a letdown?
That's because modeling the underside of the car used up half the car's polygon budget!
My hat is off to you sir for a salient and thought-out series of responses to some of the worst troll offenders this forum has seen over the past year+. Let the nay-saying SDF fanboys type what they will; someday soon (one can hope,) they'll wake up and realise that their PS3 doesn't actually represent the pinnacle of gaming hardware, nor will it bear their babies.
To those PS3 owners whom have somehow avoided the rabid mania that seems to manifest itself upon purchasing that particular console, my hat is off to you folks as well.
As for the rest of you....The less said, the better quite frankly.
Hey, I didnt start this so dont join in and turn it around, judging from your previous posts elsewhere, your good at that. This seemed to start when I copied Jensonjets post word for word and changed the words Forza to Gran Turismo. The initial post I copied was written with mindless offense.
You seem to hate PS3, which is fair on your own opinion, but that makes you a bit of a clown considering the platform is brilliant and offers a better online service than Live not to mention games.
I've never heard such mindless dribble from fanboys though and looking at your responses to others on this boards makes me understand, your not too liked yourself.
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sold over 3M copies in 1 year and that was on a console with a smaller user base. GT5P's not even a complete game!
