The complete DJ Hero 93 mix, on-disc set list will include:
2Pac - "All Eyez On Me" vs. The Aranbee Pop Orchestra - "Bittersweet Symphony (Instrumental)"
50 Cent - "Disco Inferno" vs. David Bowie - "Let's Dance"
50 Cent - "Disco Inferno" vs. InDeep - "Last Night A DJ Saved My Life"
Afrika Bambaataa - "Zulu Nation Throwdown" vs. Freedom Express - "Get Down"
Beastie Boys - "Here's A Little Somethin' For Ya" vs. DJ Shadow - "The Number Song (2009 Version)" (Produced and mixed by DJ Shadow)
Beastie Boys - "Intergalactic" vs. Blondie - "Rapture"
Beastie Boys - "Lee Majors Come Again" vs. Daft Punk - "Da Funk" (Produced and mixed by Cut Chemist)
Beck - "Where It's At" vs. DJ Shadow - "Six Days (Remix ft. Mos Def)"
Bell Biv DeVoe - "Poison" Beat Juggle
Bell Biv DeVoe - "Poison" vs. Beastie Boys - "Intergalactic" (Produced and mixed by DJ AM)
Bell Biv DeVoe - "Poison" vs. Cameo - "Word Up!"
Benny Benassi - "Satisfaction" vs. Tiësto - "Elements Of Life"
Billy Squier - "The Big Beat" vs. N.E.R.D. - "Lapdance" (DJ-Guitar mix)
Black Eyed Peas - "Boom Boom Pow" vs. Benny Benassi - "Satisfaction"
Bobby "Blue" Bland - "Ain't No Love In The Heart Of The City" vs. 2Pac - "How Do You Want It"
Bobby "Blue" Bland - "Ain't No Love In The Heart Of The City" vs. Connie Price & The Keystones - "Fuzz And Them"
Boogie Down Productions - "Jack Of Spades" vs. David Bowie - "Let's Dance" (Produced and mixed by DJ Shadow)
Chuck Brown & The Soul Searchers - "Bustin' Loose" vs. The Zombies - "Time Of The Season" (Produced and mixed by DJ Shadow)
Chuck Brown & The Soul Searchers - "Bustin' Loose" vs. Young MC - "Bust A Move"
Common - "Universal Mind Control (U.M.C.)" vs. Masta Ace - "Jeep A** Gutter (Aaron LaCrate & Debonair Samir RMX)" (Produced and mixed by The Scratch Perverts)
Cypress Hill - "Insane In The Brain" vs. Classics IV - "Spooky"
Cypress Hill - "Insane In The Brain" vs. David Axelrod - "The Edge"
Daft Punk - "Around The World" vs. Young MC - "Bust A Move"
Daft Punk - "Da Funk" vs. N.A.S.A. - "Strange Enough ft. Karen O, ODB & Fatlip"
Daft Punk - "Megamix 1"
Daft Punk - "Megamix 2"
Daft Punk - "Robot Rock" vs. Hashim - "Al Naafyish (The Soul)" (Produced and mixed by The Scratch Perverts)
Daft Punk - "Robot Rock" vs. Queen - "We Will Rock You"
Daft Punk - "Short Circuit" vs. Boogie Down Productions - "Jack Of Spades"
Daft Punk - "Technologic" vs. Gary Numan - "Cars"
Daft Punk - "Television Rules the Nation" vs. No Doubt - "Hella Good"
David Axelrod - "The Edge" vs. Eric B. & Rakim - "Eric B. Is President"
Dizzee Rascal - "Fix Up, Look Sharp" vs. DJ Shadow - "Organ Donor (Extended Overhaul)"
shocking. its all pre-mixed mash ups to compensate for the lack of actual mixing by the user.
poorly executed "dj" game.
That's the whole point of the game, just like shooting somebody on Call of Duty doesn't mean I'm a killer or somebody has died. It's like Guitar Hero or Rock Band, being able able to play a plastic instrument doesn't mean that you can play the real thing but it doesn't make it any less enjoyable. I think people realised that they wouldn't become real DJ's as a result of this game when it mostly involves pressing a red, green or blue button when prompted, nor has the dev tried to imply that the game will make you the worlds next top DJ.
I can't see me picking this up, but I've heard it's supposed to be great fun.
Sure, some will criticise the track-listing - but, it's exactly the same as with GH or RB.
You'll always get the odd one that will moan about Aerosmith getting their own version of GH and saying that it should have been given to some obscure Scandinavian Death-Metal band that have sold about 100 albums.
shocking. its all pre-mixed mash ups to compensate for the lack of actual mixing by the user.
poorly executed "dj" game.
That's the whole point of the game, just like shooting somebody on Call of Duty doesn't mean I'm a killer or somebody has died. It's like Guitar Hero or Rock Band, being able able to play a plastic instrument doesn't mean that you can play the real thing but it doesn't make it any less enjoyable. I think people realised that they wouldn't become real DJ's as a result of this game when it mostly involves pressing a red, green or blue button when prompted, nor has the dev tried to imply that the game will make you the worlds next top DJ.
thing is, you can get proffesional dj controllers for £69 consisting of 2 jogwheels, a crossfader and an equalizer. whats this... £100 plus?
with software like virtual dj, you can mix tunes with a visual representation of the beats, a beat counter and auto-sync functions.
even with hand holding features would have been much more fun and satifying than this cack.
it would teach actual skills and theory on beatmatching/mixing which could been taken further onto real tables if you were into it. and a 'realitic' option to take off the aids and (in theory) do it for real.
i started like this, and it was great fun just mixing between tracks using the auto-sync and now i have a full vinyl setup.
they could have done something a lot more credible and worthwhile than this throwaway garbage - especially for the price.
they wouldnt have needed to sacrifice fun and accessibility for a bit of realism.
That's all fine if you want to learn to DJ. This is a game. Not a tutorial. Sorry to use the same example over and over, but does Guitar Hero teach you anything about playing an actual guitar? No. And nor should it. It's a game.
learning a guitar is complex and takes a lot of time - and isnt much fun.
i could have any dummy here pulling off a mix within an hour after showing you the idea behind it - even making mistakes while learning - its a lot of fun.
for a guitar it'd be frustrating as hell.
i can guarantee, anyone interested in EDM - never mixed before - would have much more fun beatmatching and fading than on this crap. real mixing isnt as hard as you may think.
games should be fun. mixing is a lot of fun. when i first heard of this, i thought is was a genius and natural match. turns out it was an over-simplified slap in the face to consumers. and a rip off to boot.
then again - this is activision. aiming for maximum buck.
a better developer would have made something worthwhile. like rockstar and their beaterator game. something that doesnt treat you like a retard. they even have a competition on to find talented music producers.
learning a guitar is complex and takes a lot of time - and isnt much fun.
i could have any dummy here pulling off a mix within an hour after showing you the idea behind it - even making mistakes while learning - its a lot of fun.
for a guitar it'd be frustrating as hell.
i can guarantee, anyone interested in EDM - never mixed before - would have much more fun beatmatching and fading than on this crap. real mixing isnt as hard as you may think.
games should be fun. mixing is a lot of fun. when i first heard of this, i thought is was a genius and natural match. turns out it was an over-simplified slap in the face to consumers. and a rip off to boot.
then again - this is activision. aiming for maximum buck.
a better developer would have made something worthwhile. like rockstar and their beaterator game. something that doesnt treat you like a retard. they even have a competition on to find talented music producers.
Which is all well and good, but how far do you take it before you're competing with Fruity Loops or Acid?
Which is all well and good, but how far do you take it before you're competing with Fruity Loops or Acid?
Good point. Consoles are never really going to host games that produce music (or emulate it's creation) that match even semi-professional workstation programmes. I've DJed a little bit, and if you're talking about cutting and scratching, then I'm sure pretty much every DJ in the world would tell you that it is pretty difficult. It would certainly require more effort that an average kid who wants to play a game would put in.
I can't stand all these musicians who complain about these games being 'unrealistic' and discouraging people from learning the 'actual skills'. It's rubbish. They're games. You think PES has made less kids pursue professional football careers?
They're just games. You have to be able to pick it up in a few minutes, and enjoy yourself.
all you need its an interface and interactive tutorials to bridge the gap and stop it becoming brain damage.
the fun would come naturally when you find youself making surprisingly proffesional-sounding productions.
That really isn't what Activision are aiming for though - there are already plenty of packages out there for things like that (the Rave E-Jay stuff on the PC was years ago now). Beyond that, you have the likes of Fruity Loops - which really isn't particularly difficult to use, either - but I don't think Activision want to be entering that domain.
That's not to say that we won't see those kind of things in later versions though - I'm pretty sure we'll see a few sequels out of this.....it is Activision, after all.
i seen banners of it on paul van dyks dj booth in the berlin loveparade.
consoles today certainly could host semi-professional production tools. and realistic and accessible dj games would be no bother too. it would just take a braver developer to do so, not a complete whore of one.
also theres a difference between a dj game (mixing) and a producing game/sim - which would be less fun.
noone is talking about cutting or scratching. that beyond the skill of most proffesional djs out there. never mind your average punter. its the mixing of two tracks as one that is fun.
on the channel 4 program 'faking it' some (tasty) posh countryside bird got lessons from anne savage, within a week she won the challenge and all 3 panelists picked her over 2 employed club djs.
Not sure about consoles being able to do that - don't PS3s and 360s only have 512mb of RAM? Plus, I'm not sure how powerful their onboard sound tech is. Anyway, DJH and GH aren't about production or creation.
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Sorry, just read the rest of your post. Good point about the production sim. That would be dull, long, and really really hard.
And Faking It - come on. It was a reality TV show. I think maaaaaaaybe it can't be 100% relied on to show what actually happens in real life...
i seen banners of it on paul van dyks dj booth in the berlin loveparade.
consoles today certainly could host semi-professional production tools. and realistic and accessible dj games would be no bother too. it would just take a braver developer to do so, not a complete whore of one.
also theres a difference between a dj game (mixing) and a producing game/sim - which would be less fun.
noone is talking about cutting or scratching. that beyond the skill of most proffesional djs out there. never mind your average punter. its the mixing of two tracks as one that is fun.
on the channel 4 program 'faking it' some (tasty) posh countryside bird got lessons from anne savage, within a week she won the challenge and all 3 panelists picked her over 2 employed club djs.
Rave EJay was this thing you could get on the PC - I remember messing around with it years ago (probably late 90's). It was basically a no-frills sequencer with some built in samples, so you could build tracks.
It wasn't all that special, to be honest - but, I do dimly recall them putting out a Hip-Hop EJay thing that came with a turntable that you could use for scratching and the like.
In terms of using consoles for production tools - isn't Acid a Sony product? (although, it does use the .bak MS SQL file format).
I remember eJay - PS3 or Xbox could certainly handle that, but that was just loops. My mobile phone can (literally) do that.
This is all silly anyway, I guess my point was that if you want to record/produce professional music, you're going to need Logic or similar, not anything on a console. Garage Band is the nearest compromise I suppose.
As I see it, DJH combines cutting, sampling and scratching, making the much harder parts of DJing possible, whilst still keeping the essence of what would actually have to be done. It's going to sell millions whatever happens, but I reckon it'll probably be pretty fun whilst it does it.
Not that I'll buy it, I'll just have a go drunk at a mate's house.
P.S. Yeah Sony do own Acid - they bought a whole load of sound programmes a few years back. I still have Acid, but never use it any more (although it's pitch-shifting and time stretching is still pretty handy) but I do use Soundforge, which they bought at the same time. Still one of the best waveform editors around.
I have the Korg DS thing, it's pretty cool, but there's not scope for using live audio. Same as Beaterator, they're just basic synths bundled with a sequencer and some loops. Gimme some inputs! I'm sure you could build something for consoles, but it'd probably be rubbish. I'd prefer DJ Hero and my PC with proper music tools.
P.S. Yeah Sony do own Acid - they bought a whole load of sound programmes a few years back. I still have Acid, but never use it any more (although it's pitch-shifting and time stretching is still pretty handy) but I do use Soundforge, which they bought at the same time. Still one of the best waveform editors around.
I still like Acid, but I really only use it as a 'notepad' - just jotting down ideas so I don't forget them. I really can't be bothered with all the sound options, it's hard enough just trying to balance amps and effects!
I've got a few mates that are crazy about all this stuff though - they'll sit for hours listening to the same loop and making minute changes to it.....that sort of thing gives me a headache.
I'm not judging it until it goes gold and the reviews start coming in, but my biggest worry about this would be that it doesn't let YOU mix, it tells you how to mix the way THEY want you to.
So you'll be crossfading when the prompt comes up, and you'll likely get booed off if you try to work on instinct. That's where DJing has a little more freeform scope than guitar - your riff needs to stay intact as a riff, but as long as the beat fits you can flick between tracks as much as you like.
And removing that would be a serious hobbling of any pseudo-DJ ability.
I don't see why it has to be any more 'mindless' and 'disposable' than any other game. MarioKart ain't much like driving, but it's got nice bright colours and is good with mates. Why can't this be exactly the same?
And saying DJing has more 'freeform scope' than guitar - I'm very sorry, but that is one of the single most ridiculous things I have every heard on a message board. All musical instruments have massive scope for expression. Your riff does not have to 'stay a riff' you can change it in a thousand ways, and as for rhythm, soloing, chord inversions, intonation, effects, velocity...
My main point is that it's a game. As long as it's fun, it's done it's job.
Let me say this again: IT'S A GAME! If you want to be a DJ go and buy the right gear, but if you just want to have a bit of fun, something that is easily accessible to anyone that you may be in the company of get DJ hero. If you don't see the point in DJ Hero, that doesn't mean that everybody feels that way. I don't see the point in a fleshlight but some people do.
thing is mixing for real is already fun and easily accessible.
thats why they could have represented it faithfully in a GAME.
you cant faithfully represent guitar playing in a game unless you have expensive technology costing way more than what is acceptable, which in any case would be inaccessible to your average punter without guitar skills.
anyone could pick up mixing very easily, especially if the software had auto-sync features etc.
the fleshlight, in your case would be inserted up your arse. perfect for the kind of sucker that would even consider spending money on this heap of balls. your getting shafted either way.
anyone could pick up mixing very easily, especially if the software had auto-sync features etc.
Yeah but they wouldn't be able to mix these specific songs in in the way they're done in a short amount of time and for me that's what will make Dj Hero fun to play.
Anyway back on topic......that's a great line up of songs I'm loving that Beastie boys have provided two brand new songs for it.
Lets be honest about this, std_bottomhopper has turned this forum and many others into the "My opinion is fact" forum, just because you feel a certain way doesn't make it so.
Why buy football games? Just buy a football. Why buy driving games? Go on a track day. Why buy FPS's? Join the army. Actually, why play games at all?
Fact is we do play games and the majority of us have fun, the rest argue about the point of certain games, which console a game is best on, or which console has the best exclusives. I'm buying DJ hero and I'm going to have fun playing it, I have no interest in being an actual DJ so I don't need the real deal, much in the same way I don't want to actually shoot a gun and kill someone so I don't join the army but I still enjoy Call of Duty etc...
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