Gearbox shooter-RPG Borderlands will be "less boring" than fellow post-apocalyptic number cruncher, Fallout 3.
That's according to Gearbox head, Randy Pitchford, who told OXM that he thinks his game will attract an audience who don't have the patience for Bethesda's effort.
"I understand why we do those games [like Fallout 3] but I don't know - do we want that? I think that game could have been much better if it didn't have a single dialogue tree," he said. "Honestly. And if it was more action-orientated, and if the shooting was better."
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I don't think Fallout3 had ENOUGH dialogue choices. Seriously, don't let that guy near a Bioware RPG.
Borderlands looks interesting but I think the world will be shocked if its better than Fallout3. I played Fallout3 for over 100 hours. I wonder how long I'll play Borderlands ...
Diablo with guns would be more fun than Oblivion with guns jk
I liked Fallout 3 more for it's non shooter elements, but if they can pull of a decent gameplay in Borderlands, the randomness element should atract people like flies. I'm still addicted to doing Ball runs to get better gear. Maybe the next one will get me that Tal Rasha's, come to papa.
haha who da f**k is this dumbbottom! if you want less dialog tree go play call of duty idiot, dialogs state the beauty and meaning of rpgs, why to compare borderlands?
All due respect here but Fallout 3 was wonderful, im getting borderlands on release but saying fallout was too slow may translate to "Borderlands - the version of Fallout with no subtle narative you can play with out the ability to read..OPEN FIRE..yee haw" PS more funny borderlands videos thaier brilliant!
This guy is an idiot. It seems to me that he's slagging off a game that is totally different in genre to his own game.
Fallout 3 RPG Borderlands Action game with RPG elements
Developers are making the mistake that all gamers want is an endless stream of action shooter games and that p**ses me off.
Instead of asking gaming fans they rely on market research which is about as reliable as a blind bomb disposal technician.
Besides which all of these post apoc rpg's like rage and borderlands suddenly just started coming out as soon as fallout 3 was a big hit, coincidence? Rage looks like its going to be ten times better than Borderlands anyway so keep your boasting until it's warranted Pitchford.
Ok I know Fallout 3 was a good game, but to be honest I just couldnt get into tried it twice on the p.c then on xbox360 but both times i just got bored so quick and just wanted to go round killing everybody, I understand completely was this artical is saying but dont get me wrong I love rpg's and taking my time with oblivion and mass effect was amazing and I played FFXI for 4 years on and off lol but fallout just didnt work for me. was a shame as i really did give it ago, but looking forward to borderlands alot but not sure if the cell shaded graphics is going to work for me though, hope i can see through that cartooney effect, I'm guessing Rage will be the one for me though.
This guy is an idiot. It seems to me that he's slagging off a game that is totally different in genre to his own game.
Fallout 3 RPG Borderlands Action game with RPG elements
Developers are making the mistake that all gamers want is an endless stream of action shooter games and that p**ses me off.
Instead of asking gaming fans they rely on market research which is about as reliable as a blind bomb disposal technician.
Besides which all of these post apoc rpg's like rage and borderlands suddenly just started coming out as soon as fallout 3 was a big hit, coincidence? Rage looks like its going to be ten times better than Borderlands anyway so keep your boasting until it's warranted Pitchford.
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I dont think this guy is slagging off Fallout just giving his opinion which should be allowed and tbh i agree with him, and to your question all 3 games you mentioned were announced in the same year back in 2006-7, and all 3 are going to be completely different, but as you said, me thinking Rage is going to be the best of them all but then again im biased towards ID software.
Of course he would say that! He works for a rival company developing a similar game!
I much preferred Oblivion to Fallout. The landscape in Fallout is very similar and dosn't really have much in the way of variety, unlike Oblivion which has many different areas/towns on the map each with a distinct look. I also think there should have been weather in Fallout, again for variety and the zooming on the weapons should have been down the sights. Its little touches like this that can really give a game more atmosphere and make it more exciting. That said, Fallout is still a good game, but imo falls short of the standard set by Oblivion and could have been so much better just with a few small touches like these.
Wow he's got a point, proper FPSs are clearly better than other games, but he hasn't taken the idea far enough. People are obviously looking forward to Modern Warfare 2 much more than his game, so he should probably replace all has robots and mutants or whatever with terrorists. In fact shouldn't all games be like CoD4? It's obviously what people want. All games should be re-skinned versions or copies of Call of Duty, they'd sell like crazy and it would cut down on high production costs. They could release new versions with new cut-scenes and slight graphical upgrades every year to keep people happy. I can't belive no one ever thought of this before, I must be a genius.
I hope "Borderlands" has a meteoric rise in the sales charts. It looks lovely and promises lots of fun to boot; I had this game pre-ordered for months and I want to buy it, but since there has been no clear information regarding what sort of DRM it comes with I've canceled that pre-order for the time being. That one of the lead developers has a sane stance that favours the customer over going after the pirate bodes well, but it's no guarantee considering whom the publisher is.
As for "Fallout 3" I waited on that game eagerly, I pre-ordered it and I'm glad I got to complete it. That said, the more time goes by the more I consider "Fallout 3" a bit soul-less and quite dull in many ways unfortunately. Did Bethesda do a heck of a job creating the game and remaining faithful to existing "Fallout" lore? Very much so, but as with their "Elder Scrolls" games it ended up being just a bit too aimless and this time without the beauty of "Oblivion". Story wise "Fallout 3" is also put to shame by it's isometric-view forefathers, "Fallout 1 & 2", IMO.
Wow he's got a point, proper FPSs are clearly better than other games, but he hasn't taken the idea far enough. People are obviously looking forward to Modern Warfare 2 much more than his game, so he should probably replace all has robots and mutants or whatever with terrorists. In fact shouldn't all games be like CoD4? It's obviously what people want. All games should be re-skinned versions or copies of Call of Duty, they'd sell like crazy and it would cut down on high production costs. They could release new versions with new cut-scenes and slight graphical upgrades every year to keep people happy. I can't belive no one ever thought of this before, I must be a genius.
The fact that RPGs sell so much should answer his question about why people DO want lots of dialogue!
A while ago old Randy Pitchfork said he thought Fallout 3 was great, but they wanted to do a game that was more of an FPS.
Fair enough, but why slag off Fallout 3 now? I hope it's not because before they changed the graphics it did look quite like Fallout 3, and he's just saying that to make people interested. Or to fend off criticism that Borderlands is just a shallow shooter.
I am looking forward to Borderlands, but I'd like to see some reviews first, in case it turns out to be a massive disappointment.
I've been playing games since the early 8 bit days, and Fallout 3 is now my favourite game of all time. If Borderlands provides anywhere near as much gameplay I'll be impressed (and surprised!).
Pah. Good luck with his dodgy cel-shading and distinct lack of V.A.T.S. Borderlands will probably sell well, but won't touch Fallout in terms of gameplay. 100+ hours play and proud.
Well... this has co-op so I've got two copies on order. But quite frankly - Fallout 3 is the only game I've fully played through three times, and I've not even started on Point Lookout or Mothership Zeta, and I'll be starting again for those ones.
Fallout 3 f**king rules, so lets hope that borderlands comes halfway close, which will still make it one of the best games ever.
I really like the look of this. I like fallout too and it wouldn't be half the great game it is without the dialogue and wonky aiming. Infact, I was playing tonight with the dlc I finally got round to buying until my xbox froze. A few more restarts later and we have RROD. Hi, is that M$ customer support again...
FWIW-that's what kind of game Fallout 3 was ,with the dialogue etc
i have played and loved Fallout 3 and put in over 100 hrs on 1 gamertag and 100 hrs on another gamertag,its been one of my most favourite games of the last 10 years
Borderlands looks interesting,but i doubt it will have the impact on me that Fallout 3 did,just getting out of that Vault and seeing the wide open world in front of me,knowing that whatever i could see..i could just go and travel there
anyway,its pretty much fashion to knock the popular games,so maybe that's where this Borderlands dude is coming from...boring was the last thing Fallout 3 was
Sonic_uk-'I also think there should have been weather in Fallout'
what kind of weather are we talking about here?..you do know what would happen if it rained,with Nuclear Fallout everywhere,right?
I wonder how he feels about Mass Effect then. Dialogue heavy, but all the better for it, it has levels of choice that many other games fail to offer the player in how they approach tasks.
Although I certainly wouldn't call Fallout 3 boring, it didn't grab me the same way Oblivion did, which I thought the whole "nuclear wasteland" thing would.
Haha less boring xD Funny how they pretty much copy all of Fallout 3 one of the best and most successful RPGs out there and then call it boring and say Borderlands is better. I was going to get it until i saw how much of a F3 rip-off it was. Fallotu will and will always be better
I think the game industry should take a leaf out of Hollywood's book, whereby nobody slags off the competition. While dishonest, I guess, it's better than reading about comments like this.
However, I do happen to agree. I lasted one night with Fallout 3. The problem wasn't that it was boring. The biggest problem I had was the poor voice acting. Having sat through Oblivion I should have known what to expect, but I geniunely thought the situation may have improved since Oblivion. It hadn't. Also I found the missions, the conversations, the whole concept of the game pretty dull and unexciting. After Mass Effect an RPG type game is going to have to do a lot better than Fallout 3.
I was looking forward to this game but i might boycott it on principle now!! Fallout 3 boring???? Are we talking about the same game? I have spent over 160 hours in the capitol wasteland so far and i havent even got all the dlc yet! Fallout 3 is the LEAST boring game i have played this generation.
I was looking forward to this game but i might boycott it on principle now!! Fallout 3 boring???? Are we talking about the same game? I have spent over 160 hours in the capitol wasteland so far and i havent even got all the dlc yet! Fallout 3 is the LEAST boring game i have played this generation.
Fallout was okay, it wasn't brilliant. There wa a lot of roaming around and getting lost and frustrated that your little map indicator worked as well as a broken compass. Also the shooting sucked major ass.
The dialogue choices in fallout 3 were awful, there should have been more of them and responses you could empathise with. I didn't like fallout 3 even though I poured hours of my life into it.
Borderlands isn't a dialogue driven game, it's not a boring trudge either, it's an orgy of violence and random guns. There shouldn't be a comparison to FO3 at all.
I'm hoping BL is gonna be awesome though, having just cancelled my (delayed) Alpha Protocol pre-order for it.
I'm glad to see that at least one person realises that just because you sink truck loads of time in to a game, that alone does not automatically make it a "good" game. Yes, that is a subjective call although we (i.e. the larger gaming community,) do try to quantify such things by evaluating various aspects of a given game and then attaching a number on a predetermined scale. "Fallout 3" was, in my opinion, d-u-l-l with moments of interest. I've played through the game once after taking a 5+ month hiatus in between the gaming sessions. I very much doubt I'll ever play through it again.
Wonder if you can be an alvian in boarderlands. Love sealab.
Ugh! I canceled my pre-order of this excellent looking game. Please, for the love of all that is holy and pure, release the DRM details for the PC version!
P.S. Check that. I just pre-ordered "Borderlands" once more, but this time from ShopTo for 19.99 quid for the PC! That's cheaper than on Amazon! Wahey!
I'm glad to see that at least one person realises that just because you sink truck loads of time in to a game, that alone does not automatically make it a "good" game. Yes, that is a subjective call although we (i.e. the larger gaming community,) do try to quantify such things by evaluating various aspects of a given game and then attaching a number on a predetermined scale. "Fallout 3" was, in my opinion, d-u-l-l with moments of interest. I've played through the game once after taking a 5+ month hiatus in between the gaming sessions. I very much doubt I'll ever play through it again.
Opinion is a great thing. I thought Fallout 3 was fantastic, one of my favourite games ever crafted. It's great to finally see someone say "in my opinion" on these boards. It's either "This game's s**t" or "You suck for liking suchandsucha game".
I wonder what makes us all so different? Chemical changes and imbalances I guess
I'm glad to see that at least one person realises that just because you sink truck loads of time in to a game, that alone does not automatically make it a "good" game. Yes, that is a subjective call although we (i.e. the larger gaming community,) do try to quantify such things by evaluating various aspects of a given game and then attaching a number on a predetermined scale. "Fallout 3" was, in my opinion, d-u-l-l with moments of interest. I've played through the game once after taking a 5+ month hiatus in between the gaming sessions. I very much doubt I'll ever play through it again.
Opinion is a great thing. I thought Fallout 3 was fantastic, one of my favourite games ever crafted. It's great to finally see someone say "in my opinion" on these boards. It's either "This game's s**t" or "You suck for liking suchandsucha game".
I wonder what makes us all so different? Chemical changes and imbalances I guess
Heh. Ther's a "charming" little American (ok, it may have originated elsewhere, yet I first heard it while in American circles,) expression that goes like this: "Opinions are like @ssholes. Everyone's got one and they all stink". Delightful really.
FO3 was/is a bit of a predicament for me because I was extremely keen on it being a success before it even launched. I had such high hopes for it. I do think Bethesda crafted a very impressive game technically speaking; unfortunately it just seems to me that the RPG aspect of the game ran the now expected course/flavour of Bethesda RPGs, which tend to fall far short of BioWare's story telling abilities, IMO (again).
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