Since the playable demo for Forza Motorsport 3 went live last week, gamers have complained that the game's in-game visuals don't live up to screenshots previously released by developer Turn 10.
Complaints focus mainly on the car models, which appear to be of a noticeably lower detail than when in the game's photo mode.
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A Turn 10 rep explains: "One clarification about photomode and screenshots we've released so far. Aside from the added effects such as AA, DOF, and motion blur, all assets you see in photomode are the same," said Turn 10's Che Chou.
"Although I do stand corrected on one factor which is the player car. They do have higher detail in photomode while all other cars, the environments, etc. are exactly what you see in game," he went on to admit.
"Anyway, did not mean to mislead or 'play dumb' with earlier statements as I misunderstood how LODs were being used in the various modes," added Chou.
He went on to defend the overall look of the game against forum user complaints. "Games with bad graphics distract me from my experience. That said, when I play FM3, I do not think about how awful the graphics are or low in-game car models, etc. simply because the overall effect is that the game looks good. Can it look better? Yes, totally and I agree it is not perfect. But does it justify the vitriol of some of the threads I've scanned this morning? I'm not sure that it does."
The fact is, it looks a lot better than FM2 and I don't really think it needed any more than that. FM2 was a game that I got a lot of enjoyment out of and I've no doubts the third one will be the same.
I'm no graphics whore, so these things probably don't bother me as much as they do others - I'm mainly concerned with how the game plays and I thought the demo did very well in that department.
Still, I can well imagine the childish remarks by some of the people on the thread (I'm not going to waste my time checking) - most likely acting as if one of their family was attacked over slight differences between photographs and on-screen visuals.
I was concentrating on my position in the race too much to start nitpicking about graphics, to be honest, I thought it looked gorgeous.
Those who spend their time looking around at every graphic detail instead of their driving are my kind of competition, here's hoping I meet them on the track next month.
The game looks nothing like the screenshots that were released. And the countless comparisons to an almost 2 year old GT Prologue only adds to the nonsense.
They (Turn 10) only have themselves to blame for the so called (no doubt mostly made up of Sony fanboys) backlash.
If anyone thinks that these companies don't airbrush & touch up their screenshots before they release them, they are crazy.
FM3 looks amazing & is a massive improvement on FM2. Anyone sitting on an internet forum, complaining & moaning how it doesn't look quite like the screenshots, needs to go outside, take a deep breath & find themselves a life.
Well ,Forza was a great game but with barely Ok graphics.Forza 3 has improved the graphics but they arent outstanding.It would have beeen odd if the same developer in the same machine and with only 2 years of difference could pull up a total graphical revolution.
I hope this settles once and for once the boring fight between this and Gt5 graphics.GT5 wins comfortably.Still ,Forza 3 should be a magnificent game.
The graphics in F3 are still a very minor improvement on F2 and the in car view is pathetic.That's not even the thing that annoyed me about the game though, its the fact that the game has barely moved forward! still only 8 cars on the track at a time, no weather effects, no day/night cycle......I could go on!
I think there has been alot pressure on the devlopers to enhance and manipulate the ingame graphics look in order to try and match the visuals of the GT trailers. Alot of fanboys have constantly compared it to its GT counterpart and maybe expected just a little to much from a game that hasnt been in development anywhere near the amount of time that GT has.
I doubt any racing game will look as good on a console when compared to GT and should just put emphasis on the gameplay, which when all said and done really isn't that fun with previous GT versions. Hopefully its been changed this year.
The list of developers who try to mislead gamers is growing with every release now unfortunately.
I'm not at all fussed about the graphics. We all know the images game developers show pre-game release aren't entirely representative of the final game graphics. Anyone who thinks the high resolution images they view on their computers are going to match the game they play on their TVs is fooling themselves. However good a TV is, they're uncompareable to the resolution of monitors. Anyone who's geniunely upset with the graphics of Forza 3, should perhaps give up gaming for now and come back in five years!
The biggest issues I have with the demo still remain the awful track, lack of button remapping and car tuning. The track is pretty to look at, but far too small, narrow and bumpy. A typical example of a game developer created track. As for button remapping and tuning – these features are in the full game, so how difficult would it have been to include them in the demo? I'm buying the game regardless, but that's inspite of the demo being a complete let down.
If anyone thinks that these companies don't airbrush & touch up their screenshots before they release them, they are crazy.
FM3 looks amazing & is a massive improvement on FM2. Anyone sitting on an internet forum, complaining & moaning how it doesn't look quite like the screenshots, needs to go outside, take a deep breath & find themselves a life.
I think the problem arose from Turn 10 saying that Forza 3 was the best looking racing game ever.
I knew they were talking out of their trumpets, but some folk obviously believed them.
Personally, I think that DIRT2 p**ses all over it, visually. In fact, I also think PGR looks better too. I won't even compare it to GT5 because it isn't even released yet.
However, it is still a great game to play. I just wish that Turn 10 hadn't talked it up so much, rather than letting the game do the talking.
sounds like a rush job. which would be microsofts fault, not turn 10's. (since turn 10 admit it could have been better) noone wants to push out anything but their best. they must have been rushed.
they rushed PGR4 (tried to) and bizare told them to f**k off and took the extra polishing time.
on the other hand, sony seems to be giving too much slack to PD. least it will definately look the part.
The fact is, it looks a lot better than FM2 and I don't really think it needed any more than that. FM2 was a game that I got a lot of enjoyment out of and I've no doubts the third one will be the same.
I'm no graphics whore, so these things probably don't bother me as much as they do others - I'm mainly concerned with how the game plays and I thought the demo did very well in that department.
Still, I can well imagine the childish remarks by some of the people on the thread (I'm not going to waste my time checking) - most likely acting as if one of their family was attacked over slight differences between photographs and on-screen visuals.
My uncle was killed by a low resolution jagged edge. It popped up too and he didn't see it coming. Show some sensitivity for the victims of shoddy graphics.
Personally speaking, I think all these higher end racing games look like souless, empty husks graphically. I'd rather play something that doesn't strive towards overly shiney, supposed photo realism and requires some sort of creativity on behalf of the artists involved. And this isn't me defending Forza because it doesn't look at good as GT5 - I feel the same about all these games. And none of them feel like driving a car. Using a control stick never will!
Give me Sega Rally anyday. Was going to get Blur actually over this anyway, but seeing as that's now 2010 I think I'll get Midnight Club cheap second hand.
If anyone thinks that these companies don't airbrush & touch up their screenshots before they release them, they are crazy.
FM3 looks amazing & is a massive improvement on FM2. Anyone sitting on an internet forum, complaining & moaning how it doesn't look quite like the screenshots, needs to go outside, take a deep breath & find themselves a life.
I think the problem arose from Turn 10 saying that Forza 3 was the best looking racing game ever.
I knew they were talking out of their trumpets, but some folk obviously believed them.
Personally, I think that DIRT2 p**ses all over it, visually. In fact, I also think PGR looks better too. I won't even compare it to GT5 because it isn't even released yet.
However, it is still a great game to play. I just wish that Turn 10 hadn't talked it up so much, rather than letting the game do the talking.
They didnt though. They said it would be the definitive racing Game of this generation, which it might well be, who knows?
And anyway, were not exactly pre pubescent teens on this site so when did we all turn into graphic whores?
If anyone thinks that these companies don't airbrush & touch up their screenshots before they release them, they are crazy.
FM3 looks amazing & is a massive improvement on FM2. Anyone sitting on an internet forum, complaining & moaning how it doesn't look quite like the screenshots, needs to go outside, take a deep breath & find themselves a life.
I think the problem arose from Turn 10 saying that Forza 3 was the best looking racing game ever.
I knew they were talking out of their trumpets, but some folk obviously believed them.
Personally, I think that DIRT2 p**ses all over it, visually. In fact, I also think PGR looks better too. I won't even compare it to GT5 because it isn't even released yet.
However, it is still a great game to play. I just wish that Turn 10 hadn't talked it up so much, rather than letting the game do the talking.
These companies always talk their games up & make hollow promises. Like I said, anyone that listens to the pre-release hyperbole (especially when it's coming from the actual people that make the game) & then proceeds to post on internet forums about how they've been mislead when not everything turns out to be true, need to take a long, hard, look at themselves.
It plays well, and it doesn’t look like a big fat turd so I’m ok with it, I do laugh at some internet crazies reactions to such things though, I thought this place was strange as far as righteous indignation goes but that linked thread allows you to actually see insanity at work. The obsessive freaks are genuinely intriguing!
GT does look better, but let’s be honest, who wasn’t expecting that anyway? The GT games always look good.
Well ,Forza was a great game but with barely Ok graphics.Forza 3 has improved the graphics but they arent outstanding.It would have beeen odd if the same developer in the same machine and with only 2 years of difference could pull up a total graphical revolution.
I hope this settles once and for once the boring fight between this and Gt5 graphics.GT5 wins comfortably.Still ,Forza 3 should be a magnificent game.
I can think of so many words to describe you I'm convinced most would get me banned!
GT5 barely looks better than Forza and with three extra years in development and with fewer in-car views (170 to 400 or thereabouts) and fewer tracks is by no means a winner! How you can say Forza doesn't look outstanding when it looks so close to GT is beyond comprehension! Perhaps the AI in GT is stunning compared to Forza, and perhaps the handling is so realistic Forza feels like some crap Codemasters arcade racer. If this is the case then you may have a point about a winner.
If graphical ability make for 'a winner', then the orginal Xbox was far better than the PS2, which had terrible graphics by comparison.
I think it's funny the way people have gone mental over this. How much attention are you paying to your own car as you drive it round anyway?
There was a fuss kicked up for FM2 about no c**kpit view. So now we're getting a c**kpit view and they're complaining about the wonky lines on the outside of the car that they won't see anyway! Mental.
I don't care at all. The fact the cars look nice is a bonus. It's how it feels to drive that's important. Is it fun? Does it feel the way you expect when you throw the car around? If you answer "yes" to those then shut up
I think the game looks ace personally. I saw the screenshots, I heard Dan Greenawalt spout forth about how his game was the best driving game visually of this generation. This guy is one of the biggest motormouths of this generation, without doubt.
Do they compare? No. The photo's were obviously given a once over to make them as shiny as possible. A lot of companies do this... recently screenshots of FIFA and Modern Warfare 2 instantly spring to mind. It's not new.
Saying it isn't quite the visual par of Gran Turismo seems like splitting hairs somewhat. I mean seriously, how shiny can you make the cars? Anyone quibbling over the visuals should perhaps go back to reading Max Power. I hear they have real cars in there.
Meanwhile, as a gamer and car enthusiast I will be waiting to see which game offers a more accurate simulation of driving. Dan Greenawalt, unsurprisingly, says no other game is within years of his, simulation-wise, but we all know how listening to this guy turns out. Having played the demo, there is a satisfying weight and inertia about the cars. It drives brilliant. Will GT be any different to the 4 that have gone before? We will see, but it is this that is the most impertant thing, not the amount of sheen on a Ferrari Enzo's indicators.
I didn't really like the demo so probably won't get the game. And the reason I didn't it was due to the handling; I felt the handling on 2 was a lot easier with all the assists turned off and felt more like driving a real car than this does. And with all the assists turned on it just felt like a arcade racer which was a bit harder to steer.
And yeah the graphics of the car weren't too great which brings it down a bit but not that I mind because as I'm a gamer gameplay comes first
What's so stupid about these "complaints" is they're not even really about "in game" at all.
People are bitching about looking up close in replay, and the headlights aren't as round as they could be.
If you watch a replay from the standard TV type cams, it looks fine too. Some of the close up cams you can select do show the car's not the same LOD as the photomode and menu model, but it's not that big a deal. I'd rather have the lush environments we're treated to than all the cars (most of which you won't see) in super detail.
the c**kpit view is the only way to race this gen. PGR3 started it off. 3rd person view is lame now.
NFS shifts c**kpit view looked amazing.
I really hate all this elitist ‘only way to play’ rigmarole that gets thrown around. What you mean is it’s the only way to play for you personally as that’s what you like, lots of other people’s tastes do not necessarily align themselves with yours; such is the spice of life, viva la difference!
forget the graphics what about the snails pace,how could anybody prefer to play this over Grid is beyond me,Grid has better handling,more realistic damage,much better graphics and most importantly in my opinion gives a much greater sense of speed,my advice buy grid instead,you can pick it up for Ł9.99 brand new at play.com
The fact is, it looks a lot better than FM2 and I don't really think it needed any more than that. FM2 was a game that I got a lot of enjoyment out of and I've no doubts the third one will be the same.
Yeah, what I really like about Forza 3 are the tracks. They're a big step forward in comparison to Forza 2. I'm pleased with the graphics too, the cars look great and overall the graphics are much nicer, plus the menu also has a nice fresh look. Okay, so it's five year old hardware (so maybe more focus on art side and some new clever gimmicks to cheat eyes), but the place for improvement is always here as long as someone is willing to do it and have required skills.
the graphics look fine to me but its funny how people complain when the GT games have done the same thing since the first game was released.
all the screenshots i think i have ever seen published for a gt game are from the replay or intro - same as forza and what about gt on the psp (the screenshots were blatantly not in game).
the game is fun based on the demo i have played. i wouldn't be at all surprised if its actually sony employees causing a bit of anti marketing for the game, hands up who think MS will do the same when GT5 releases.
forget the graphics what about the snails pace,how could anybody prefer to play this over Grid is beyond me,Grid has better handling,more realistic damage,much better graphics and most importantly in my opinion gives a much greater sense of speed,my advice buy grid instead,you can pick it up for Ł9.99 brand new at play.com
The cars in Grid turn from the centre of the car, not the wheels. And every car seems to have massive amounts of oversteer, even the FWD cars.
the c**kpit view is the only way to race this gen. PGR3 started it off. 3rd person view is lame now.
NFS shifts c**kpit view looked amazing.
I really hate all this elitist ‘only way to play’ rigmarole that gets thrown around. What you mean is it’s the only way to play for you personally as that’s what you like, lots of other people’s tastes do not necessarily align themselves with yours; such is the spice of life, viva la difference!
you need f**king shot you fairy.
and i dont need to attach 'in my opinion' to my comment - its a forum, its a given.
dont care if anyone uses 3rd person, and iam not forcing my preferences on anybody.
I tend to not get so worked up over graphics anymore. I used to be a whore about it but no matter how awesome the graphics of a game get I think within 10 minutes or so of playing you're pretty much used to them and at that point it goes bck to gameplay. I guess some people pick a high end car and just sit in it staring at the dash and gauges but I'm just not that amazed by graphics. You don't really get to look at them much during a race so having them be better in photo mode makes perfect sense. Considering Forza 2 had no interiors and looked like a slighty polished Forza 1 I can't complain.
the c**kpit view is the only way to race this gen. PGR3 started it off. 3rd person view is lame now.
NFS shifts c**kpit view looked amazing.
I really hate all this elitist ‘only way to play’ rigmarole that gets thrown around. What you mean is it’s the only way to play for you personally as that’s what you like, lots of other people’s tastes do not necessarily align themselves with yours; such is the spice of life, viva la difference!
you need f**king shot you fairy.
and i dont need to attach 'in my opinion' to my comment - its a forum, its a given.
dont care if anyone uses 3rd person, not am i forcing my preferences on anybody.
Are you using 'fairy' as a derogatory term for someone who is gay? And are you using that term as an insult toward me? I’d be careful with what language you use you little c**t as things like that might offend people and get you banned, you should use you’re everyday insults instead. Like if I was to call you a w****r, tosser, snooker cue, c**t, s**tbag, k**b, and so on, all would be fitting and aimed directly at you rather than a group defined by sexuality.
Well ,Forza was a great game but with barely Ok graphics.Forza 3 has improved the graphics but they arent outstanding.It would have beeen odd if the same developer in the same machine and with only 2 years of difference could pull up a total graphical revolution.
I hope this settles once and for once the boring fight between this and Gt5 graphics.GT5 wins comfortably.Still ,Forza 3 should be a magnificent game.
I can think of so many words to describe you I'm convinced most would get me banned!
GT5 barely looks better than Forza and with three extra years in development and with fewer in-car views (170 to 400 or thereabouts) and fewer tracks is by no means a winner! How you can say Forza doesn't look outstanding when it looks so close to GT is beyond comprehension! Perhaps the AI in GT is stunning compared to Forza, and perhaps the handling is so realistic Forza feels like some crap Codemasters arcade racer. If this is the case then you may have a point about a winner.
If graphical ability make for 'a winner', then the orginal Xbox was far better than the PS2, which had terrible graphics by comparison.
Please visit IGN. They have confirmed that all GT5's 950+ cars will have damage and in-car views. Over 200 of those cars will have full damage that includes doors opening, bumpers coming off and internal damage that can be seen if playing from the in-car view. The other normal road cars (700+) will have deformation and scratch damage, just like Forza 3.
the c**kpit view is the only way to race this gen. PGR3 started it off. 3rd person view is lame now.
NFS shifts c**kpit view looked amazing.
I really hate all this elitist ‘only way to play’ rigmarole that gets thrown around. What you mean is it’s the only way to play for you personally as that’s what you like, lots of other people’s tastes do not necessarily align themselves with yours; such is the spice of life, viva la difference!
you need f**king shot you fairy.
and i dont need to attach 'in my opinion' to my comment - its a forum, its a given.
dont care if anyone uses 3rd person, not am i forcing my preferences on anybody.
Are you using 'fairy' as a derogatory term for someone who is gay? And are you using that term as an insult toward me? I’d be careful with what language you use you little c**t as things like that might offend people and get you banned, you should use you’re everyday insults instead. Like if I was to call you a w****r, tosser, snooker cue, c**t, s**tbag, k**b, and so on, all would be fitting and aimed directly at you rather than a group defined by sexuality.
glad your out the virtual closet. but ****y comments like the one i put in bold dont need to come from gays, straight people can make them too. it would still be a fairy comment, and hence the person can rightly be labelled a fairy for said atrocity. (such is the spice of life, viva la difference!) but dont think your hogging the term fairy. that would be too typical.
the c**kpit view is the only way to race this gen. PGR3 started it off. 3rd person view is lame now.
NFS shifts c**kpit view looked amazing.
I really hate all this elitist ‘only way to play’ rigmarole that gets thrown around. What you mean is it’s the only way to play for you personally as that’s what you like, lots of other people’s tastes do not necessarily align themselves with yours; such is the spice of life, viva la difference!
you need f**king shot you fairy.
and i dont need to attach 'in my opinion' to my comment - its a forum, its a given.
dont care if anyone uses 3rd person, not am i forcing my preferences on anybody.
Are you using 'fairy' as a derogatory term for someone who is gay? And are you using that term as an insult toward me? I’d be careful with what language you use you little c**t as things like that might offend people and get you banned, you should use you’re everyday insults instead. Like if I was to call you a w****r, tosser, snooker cue, c**t, s**tbag, k**b, and so on, all would be fitting and aimed directly at you rather than a group defined by sexuality.
Its a game guys. It plays amazingly and looks great. It has lots of different views so each individual gamer can choose. Insulting each other won't change this guys opinion and as for SVD.
SVD, this is a post about an X360 game, you hate the X360 with the fire of a thousand childish suns, why are you here? Do you work for Sony? We've already established you aren't a real gamer so why don't you pop back to the PC forum and continue talking about the rig you want, anything to broaden your horizon past the six foot of Sony love on your plate.
I played the Forza demo all night last night, its faaaantastic, they could tell me they struck a deal with satan himself (Robert Kottick) and i'd still buy it.
glad your out the virtual closet. but ****y comments like the one i put in bold dont need to come from gays, straight people can make them too. it would still be a fairy comment, and hence the person can rightly be labelled a fairy for said atrocity. (such is the spice of life, viva la difference!) but dont think your hogging the term fairy. that would be too typical.
Oh, so because I find you using the term fairy as an insult, and one that has always had anti homosexual connotations, offensive makes me gay as well does it you little mug? And you’ve thrown ‘****y’ into the mixer as well, you just keep digging yourself deeper you horribly ignorant c**t.
It’s interesting that you cast aspersions at me for being gay when I said viva la difference, are you scared of things different to you? Is that why you go on the offensive all the time? Are you scared no one will understand your thick hate filled mind?
glad your out the virtual closet. but ****y comments like the one i put in bold dont need to come from gays, straight people can make them too. it would still be a fairy comment, and hence the person can rightly be labelled a fairy for said atrocity. (such is the spice of life, viva la difference!) but dont think your hogging the term fairy. that would be too typical.
Oh, so because I find you using the term fairy as an insult, and one that has always had anti homosexual connotations, offensive makes me gay as well does it you little mug? And you’ve thrown ‘****y’ into the mixer as well, you just keep digging yourself deeper you horribly ignorant c**t.
It’s interesting that you cast aspersions at me for being gay when I said viva la difference, are you scared of things different to you? Is that why you go on the offensive all the time? Are you scared no one will understand your thick hate filled mind?
glad your out the virtual closet. but ****y comments like the one i put in bold dont need to come from gays, straight people can make them too. it would still be a fairy comment, and hence the person can rightly be labelled a fairy for said atrocity. (such is the spice of life, viva la difference!) but dont think your hogging the term fairy. that would be too typical.
Oh, so because I find you using the term fairy as an insult, and one that has always had anti homosexual connotations, offensive makes me gay as well does it you little mug? And you’ve thrown ‘****y’ into the mixer as well, you just keep digging yourself deeper you horribly ignorant c**t.
It’s interesting that you cast aspersions at me for being gay when I said viva la difference, are you scared of things different to you? Is that why you go on the offensive all the time? Are you scared no one will understand your thick hate filled mind?
Keep going SVD, your childish goading and ignoring my questions is only making you look more troll-like. Why do you ignore all my posts directed at you? Do I have you pegged Sony boy?
I’m actually not upset at all, I find this both amusing and enlightening, again I’m not actually gay, though I’m not sure what difference that would have on anything, would it make you uncomfortable if I was? Do you feel the need to sit away from gay people?
And do you honestly believe sexuality is a ‘lifestyle choice’? Did you receive any education at all, or was your pathetic little excuse for a brain unable to entertain taking on a little bit of knowledge that did not concern Max Power? Spice of life is a commonly used phrase, I would say you should broaden your horizons a little but it’s painfully obvious you’re far too stupid a c**t to entertain that.
it was you that automatically tied the term fairy to being gay. something on your mind? i dont care what way you swing.
viva la difference, remember?
two others thought you were upset too. touched a nerve?
you definately sound amused... must say.
Do you understand what a connotation is for something? Don’t try and play the little innocent card as if you don’t know that fairy is mainly used as an insult against gay peeps, and even if you were somehow blanketed away from such things in the world, what do you think ‘****y’ means? Or will you try and weasel your way out of that one as well you little s**t?
I don’t really care if other people think I have over reacted, should you have come on here using racist language rather than homophobic insults there would have been uproar and you would have rightly been banned. Though I don’t see two much between the two, both are discrimination, I would rather you weren’t banned though as its fun watching you made to look like a mug every time you pop your stupid little ego into things.
And you keep trying to tie the fact that if I was gay I should be ashamed of it, why is that? Do you think it’s shameful?
never said anything homophobic. your jumping to conclusions again.
'****y' is ****-like. not actually ****.
and where did i say you should be ashamed of yourself? WHERE?! nowhere.
get off your high horse you diva.
see. ****y is not censored. and **** is.
two different meanings.
Strangely you didn’t do your little trick of getting around the profanity blocker for your explanation there, what exactly are you saying ‘****y’ means you little snivelling s**t? You know as well as I do the accepted meanings and connotations of both ****y and fairy, and then you still seem to have neglected to mention your thoughts on being gay a ‘lifestyle choice’? Is that really what you think it is you slippery turd?
I’m being deliberately intractable and indignant, it’s how I get my kicks. Grasshopper is imagining me standing over him in a leather gimp mask and stockings, stroking him provocatively with a whip, at least that’s what I must be imagining, isn’t that right SVD?
never said anything homophobic. your jumping to conclusions again.
'****y' is ****-like. not actually ****.
and where did i say you should be ashamed of yourself? WHERE?! nowhere.
get off your high horse you diva.
see. ****y is not censored. and **** is.
two different meanings.
Strangely you didn’t do your little trick of getting around the profanity blocker for your explanation there, what exactly are you saying ‘****y’ means you little snivelling s**t? You know as well as I do the accepted meanings and connotations of both ****y and fairy, and then you still seem to have neglected to mention your thoughts on being gay a ‘lifestyle choice’? Is that really what you think it is you slippery turd?
was proving a point. theres no doubt in my mind after all this which way you swing. dont give a f**k. shame you cant accept it yourself though...
just get your claws back in and accept yourself for who you are. all this bitching isnt doing you any good.
His lack of understanding of the english language is actually rather funny. Using a swear filter on a website to show the difference in meaning between two words is probably the stupidest thing he's done yet.
I always thought he had some deep rooted issues of inadequacy, probably resulting from childhood and not his fault. I'm guessing it's just his 'lifestyle choice'.
was proving a point. theres no doubt in my mind after all this which way you swing. dont give a f**k. shame you cant accept it yourself though...
just get your claws back in and accept yourself for who you are. all this bitching isnt doing you any good.
Oooh look, more stereotypical style character assassination attempts. You’re avoiding the question again, though this doesn’t surprise me, do you think being gay is a ‘lifestyle choice’ like you wrote before? And what do you think the actual meaning of the word ‘****y’ is? You do know that’s derived from **** right? Do you know what that means?
His lack of understanding of the english language is actually rather funny. Using a swear filter on a website to show the difference in meaning between two words is probably the stupidest thing he's done yet.
I always thought he had some deep rooted issues of inadequacy, probably resulting from childhood and not his fault. I'm guessing it's just his 'lifestyle choice'.
I'm pretty sure the only reason he hasn't been banned is purely for the comedy value.
When you think about it, he serves a public purpose - when you're having a bad day and nothing is going right, you know you can always go onto the CVG forums, find a post from asshopper and realise that it's really not all too bad....you could he like him!
Anyways, we all knew that he was likely to be homophobic - in much the same way he's proven to be xenophobic and basically anti-anything that isn't him
but so if being straight, wearing pink clothes and clutching a man-bag.
if i say that jacket looks girly. it doesnt mean its a girls jacket. or does it?! thats what its derived from, so therefore it MUST be a girls jacket!!
but so if being straight, wearing pink clothes and clutching a man-bag.
if i say that jacket looks girly. it doesnt mean its a girls jacket. or does it?! thats what its derived from, so therefore it MUST be a girls jacket!!
imbecile.
Oh so slippery, without such an inadequate brain I would have said you should become a politician when you grow up.
The fact of whether someone was out of the closet or not was not what you said was the lifestyle choice, you’ve added that now you little worm.
I’m not sure what you’re even trying to say with the girl’s jacket bit, it just doesn’t make sense? Though that doesn’t answer what you think ‘****y’ means does it, come on, answer the question boy!
Conkers goes bonkers and as for that rep from Turn 10...what a total and utter Bilbo Blaggins!
Tis quite ironic that it's the 360 this time that's getting roasted for raising false expectations. Last time it was Killzone 2 that was getting accused of passing off fmv as in-game footage.
Just a shame for MS that KZ2 turned out as the best looking console game whereas Forza is turning out the be a slightly tweaked up PS2 racer...
i bid you adieu. argue with yourself, cause you cant argue with me. that was appalling.
Ding song the witch is gone, la la laa la laaaaa. Was it too hard for you to face up to you latent homophobia? I’m glad, it’s little mugs like you that made my brother wish he wasn’t who he was for many years, people who aren’t fit to shine his shoes, but at least mostly those days are gone, only insecure little turds like you remain for people to mock.
You still didn’t answer the questions though, so everyone knows you’re a slimy, spineless, sad little excuse for a man. Bysie bye x
Please visit IGN. They have confirmed that all GT5's 950+ cars will have damage and in-car views. Over 200 of those cars will have full damage that includes doors opening, bumpers coming off and internal damage that can be seen if playing from the in-car view. The other normal road cars (700+) will have deformation and scratch damage, just like Forza 3.
And believe me, Forza 3 damage is not all that.
Seriously dude, I don't care what features GT has or hasn't. I made those comments because yet again some dickless Playstation devotee has infested another Forza 3 forum singing the praises of GT and slagging off Forza. If PS3 boys believe such a thing, why the need to constantly spew this crap at 360 owners and fans of Forza. I'm pretty sure Forza fans are as eager for GT's release to give the desperate, paranoid, jealous PS3 kids something to play. Hopefully racing all 1000 cars will keep the forums clear of this annoying drivel for quite some time.
I don't care about, or believe, anything you say regarding Forza or GT for that matter. As a PS3/GT fanboy your opinion is utterly worthless to me.
Please visit IGN. They have confirmed that all GT5's 950+ cars will have damage and in-car views. Over 200 of those cars will have full damage that includes doors opening, bumpers coming off and internal damage that can be seen if playing from the in-car view. The other normal road cars (700+) will have deformation and scratch damage, just like Forza 3.
And believe me, Forza 3 damage is not all that.
Seriously dude, I don't care what features GT has or hasn't. I made those comments because yet again some dickless Playstation devotee has infested another Forza 3 forum singing the praises of GT and slagging off Forza. If PS3 boys believe such a thing, why the need to constantly spew this crap at 360 owners and fans of Forza. I'm pretty sure Forza fans are as eager for GT's release to give the desperate, paranoid, jealous PS3 kids something to play. Hopefully racing all 1000 cars will keep the forums clear of this annoying drivel for quite some time.
I don't care about, or believe, anything you say regarding Forza or GT for that matter. As a PS3/GT fanboy your opinion is utterly worthless to me.
You could view it a little bit like the crusaders spreading the word of Enlightenment...
Please visit IGN. They have confirmed that all GT5's 950+ cars will have damage and in-car views. Over 200 of those cars will have full damage that includes doors opening, bumpers coming off and internal damage that can be seen if playing from the in-car view. The other normal road cars (700+) will have deformation and scratch damage, just like Forza 3.
And believe me, Forza 3 damage is not all that.
Seriously dude, I don't care what features GT has or hasn't. I made those comments because yet again some dickless Playstation devotee has infested another Forza 3 forum singing the praises of GT and slagging off Forza. If PS3 boys believe such a thing, why the need to constantly spew this crap at 360 owners and fans of Forza. I'm pretty sure Forza fans are as eager for GT's release to give the desperate, paranoid, jealous PS3 kids something to play. Hopefully racing all 1000 cars will keep the forums clear of this annoying drivel for quite some time.
I don't care about, or believe, anything you say regarding Forza or GT for that matter. As a PS3/GT fanboy your opinion is utterly worthless to me.
You could view it a little bit like the crusaders spreading the word of Enlightenment...
Are you really sure you want to make that comparison, considering the number of deaths those crusaders were responsible for?
Please visit IGN. They have confirmed that all GT5's 950+ cars will have damage and in-car views. Over 200 of those cars will have full damage that includes doors opening, bumpers coming off and internal damage that can be seen if playing from the in-car view. The other normal road cars (700+) will have deformation and scratch damage, just like Forza 3.
And believe me, Forza 3 damage is not all that.
Seriously dude, I don't care what features GT has or hasn't. I made those comments because yet again some dickless Playstation devotee has infested another Forza 3 forum singing the praises of GT and slagging off Forza. If PS3 boys believe such a thing, why the need to constantly spew this crap at 360 owners and fans of Forza. I'm pretty sure Forza fans are as eager for GT's release to give the desperate, paranoid, jealous PS3 kids something to play. Hopefully racing all 1000 cars will keep the forums clear of this annoying drivel for quite some time.
I don't care about, or believe, anything you say regarding Forza or GT for that matter. As a PS3/GT fanboy your opinion is utterly worthless to me.
You could view it a little bit like the crusaders spreading the word of Enlightenment...
Are you really sure you want to make that comparison, considering the number of deaths those crusaders were responsible for?
Can't make a omelette without breaking a few eggs!
Don't forget we're talking about xbots here....much more expendable than the average heathen!
Please visit IGN. They have confirmed that all GT5's 950+ cars will have damage and in-car views. Over 200 of those cars will have full damage that includes doors opening, bumpers coming off and internal damage that can be seen if playing from the in-car view. The other normal road cars (700+) will have deformation and scratch damage, just like Forza 3.
And believe me, Forza 3 damage is not all that.
Seriously dude, I don't care what features GT has or hasn't. I made those comments because yet again some dickless Playstation devotee has infested another Forza 3 forum singing the praises of GT and slagging off Forza. If PS3 boys believe such a thing, why the need to constantly spew this crap at 360 owners and fans of Forza. I'm pretty sure Forza fans are as eager for GT's release to give the desperate, paranoid, jealous PS3 kids something to play. Hopefully racing all 1000 cars will keep the forums clear of this annoying drivel for quite some time.
I don't care about, or believe, anything you say regarding Forza or GT for that matter. As a PS3/GT fanboy your opinion is utterly worthless to me.
Well, they do say that ignorance is bliss, so you must be in a state of total euphoria!
Anyway, feel free to add me as a friend and watch me embarrass you consistently on Forza 3.
Maybe it could look a little better but c'mon it's far from being ugly. You don't usually have time to notice the graphics in racers anyway as everything is moving so fast. Car handling and the like should take priority over graphics. I for one am glad they are not applying GT levels of polish to it else it'd be years away still. Much as I want GT5 it won't justify its ridiculous development time.
So apparently, if you put a 'y' at the end of the N word, it ceases to mean the same thing or be offensive??
You can't fault that genuis logic.
Nintendoy...?
I'm confused!
I think your N word is probably just as offensive to some gamers nowadays!
I've actually just spent two weeks with only a Wii for my gaming kicks and I have to say that MadWorld and Wii Sports Resort are brilliant fun.
Admittedly, I only played WSR with friends (so, I'm not sure how it'd be after a few hours of single player battering), but MadWorld is a blast!
I spent most time in single player trying to beat Lucia at table tennis. She is rock hard. I've been looking forward to this since someone posted a vid in the Nintendo forum - http://www.hudson.co.jp/kagenotou/
So apparently, if you put a 'y' at the end of the N word, it ceases to mean the same thing or be offensive??
You can't fault that genuis logic.
Nintendoy...?
I'm confused!
I think your N word is probably just as offensive to some gamers nowadays!
I've actually just spent two weeks with only a Wii for my gaming kicks and I have to say that MadWorld and Wii Sports Resort are brilliant fun.
Admittedly, I only played WSR with friends (so, I'm not sure how it'd be after a few hours of single player battering), but MadWorld is a blast!
I spent most time in single player trying to beat Lucia at table tennis. She is rock hard. I've been looking forward to this since someone posted a vid in the Nintendo forum - http://www.hudson.co.jp/kagenotou/
Had a RRoD Parma?
Nah, I've been down in good ol' Devon for 2 weeks - just sorting out some stuff and relaxing. I've had no access to the internet at all....which is very wierd.
Jeez - I've not been on the forums for a fortnight and no one noticed!....I should probably be a little hurt.
I thought the game looked nice... If I was to be picky about something it would be that the colours are a bit too vivid. You see a red car and it's a RED CAR and a blue car is a BLUE CAR and so on... It's not the colour settings on my TV because NFS: Shift, Grid, Dirt2 and Forza 2 (in fact all my other games) all look fine.
It's not a huge issue, just me being picky, but I'd like to see a colour mode setting in the options (bright, vivid, dull, etc), like in some other games.
the c**kpit view is the only way to race this gen. PGR3 started it off. 3rd person view is lame now.
NFS shifts c**kpit view looked amazing.
I really hate all this elitist ‘only way to play’ rigmarole that gets thrown around. What you mean is it’s the only way to play for you personally as that’s what you like, lots of other people’s tastes do not necessarily align themselves with yours; such is the spice of life, viva la difference!
you need f**king shot you fairy.
and i dont need to attach 'in my opinion' to my comment - its a forum, its a given.
dont care if anyone uses 3rd person, and iam not forcing my preferences on anybody.
Except it's not over- I don't quite know what the problem is with the graphics- the colours are very vivid, sure. But Forza has always been about superior and more in depth gameplay. I always found the older GT games sluggish and a bit dull. Forza 3 is a massive leap from 2 graphically, and it also caters to a wider range of racing enthusiasts what with the different settings you can tinker with. I'm not really a petrol head so I may not tinker as much with the suspension or tyres as the more die hard players- but that's totally fine because the game was so fun to play!
Anyway, I thought the graphics were really nice, ultra smooth and crisp.
Mark240473 Unless you play Forza on it's most sim-like of settings we probably won't ever meet in game. And if you do play this way, perhaps you were one of the many who've left a race after the first corner, unable to brake without ABS? Or one of the rest who left after a race or two knowing you'd not win!?
My friends list is nearly full and I only add people who I've enjoyed gaming and chatting with. I'm pretty sure you'd never fit into that category, so no thanks for friends offer.
Well ,Forza was a great game but with barely Ok graphics.Forza 3 has improved the graphics but they arent outstanding.It would have beeen odd if the same developer in the same machine and with only 2 years of difference could pull up a total graphical revolution.
I hope this settles once and for once the boring fight between this and Gt5 graphics.GT5 wins comfortably.Still ,Forza 3 should be a magnificent game.
I can think of so many words to describe you I'm convinced most would get me banned!
GT5 barely looks better than Forza and with three extra years in development and with fewer in-car views (170 to 400 or thereabouts) and fewer tracks is by no means a winner! How you can say Forza doesn't look outstanding when it looks so close to GT is beyond comprehension! Perhaps the AI in GT is stunning compared to Forza, and perhaps the handling is so realistic Forza feels like some crap Codemasters arcade racer. If this is the case then you may have a point about a winner.
If graphical ability make for 'a winner', then the orginal Xbox was far better than the PS2, which had terrible graphics by comparison.
Hmm ,I am not saying that Forza 3 doesnt look good.I have admited the graphics are a real improvement over Forza 2 graphics(that werent so hot to say the truth).But Turn 10 has been showing bullshots and touched screenshots from the replays as "ingame" to compete with GT5 and now that the demo is out its clear the ingame graphics are significantly worse.Thats not me making things up,its the own 360 fans realizing the ingame graphics arent on par with what had been shown to them in the previews.Still ,the graphics are good or great if you prefer it.
And the game can play like a dream,at least for many people.
Whats the problem then?The problem is that Turn10 has been promoting Forza 3 graphics as the definitive for a racing game.They have said such things as theres nothing in the years to come that can beat FM3 ,they have implied that PD was spying them as if Yamauchi was a novice that wanted to learn from them.THey have been caught trolling in NEoGAF forums with their own corporate MS mails badmouthing GT.They have used bullshots and the replay mode graphics to “compete” these months since E3 and that has fueled FM3 fanboys into believing the 360 would have their GT-killer ...even in graphics.
Now ,once the ingame graphics are for everybody to see,the truth is unveiled.The graphics are very good ,even excellent ,but by no means amazing and probably on par or below Dirt 2 and NFS Shift.They arent superior to GT5P and certainly not to GT5 whose ingame graphics seem on par with the replay graphics of Forza3.
A racing game isnt only graphics.Theres also phisics ,number of tracks ,cars ,handling ,online modes ,split-screen ,customization ,damage ,IA ,and so on.Now if you tell me FM3 will beat GT5 in all that then it could come out on top,but we are 5 months or more away from GT5 release so we cant compare all that.FM3 is finished right now ,unless Turn 10 decides to put some more time on the game to correct glitches and improve the game something not very likely.
And if it releases in its current state its clear the only thing we can compare right now,FM3 graphics from the demo to the GT5 ingame graphics from the TGS in its current state,puts FM3 clearly below GT5.
Just think a bit.FM3 has only 8 cars on track at once ,runs at 720p ,doesnt have day/night cycles ,has some aliasing issues(lots of jagged edges on the cars) and little glitches here and there (such as the track dissappearing in replays),the polygon count for cars and scenery doesnt seem so high(compared to GT5 in any case),plus some more subjetive concerns about the developer-created tr....cks feeling somewhat empty and narrow.
Gran Turismo 5 has some 1000 cars ,60 circuits ,16 cars on screen ,1080p graphics at 60 fps ,day/night cycles ,a higher polygon count specially for the cars ,better lighting and antialiasing .....it definitely is above FM3 technically ,even if the bullshots of Turn 10 with the replay shots have created an illusion that it would be otherwise.
At the end of the day the difference to the eye wont be massive like GT5 being a 10 in graphics and FM3 a 5,but something more like 10-8 or 10-7.But running in more resolution , double the amount of cars and with higher polygon count for each one is being in a completely different category.Just running in more resolution (even if it was the 1600x920 of Gt5 P) requires some 35-40% more processing power ,add the double of cars and the higher polygon count for both tracks and scenery and you start to see the real difference between both games.
All this graphic whore concerns aside,FM3 still will look excellent to anyone that doesnt runs it side by side to GT5 and surely will play like a dream too.But props to those who merit it ,and GT5 technically is an unparalled monster and sorry but no FM3 albeit looking very good and a very good improvemente over FM2 doesnt play in the same league graphics-wise .....as for simulation ,phisics,AI ,handling ,online modes etc we will seem come march.Maybe FM3 will come out on tops on everything but graphics who knows,but for what we are seeing the GT5 graphics seems unmatched.
Forza is a game you clearly won't be buying, fine, so why concern yourself with what features it has or hasn't got. Why are you so obsessed with one game being a 'winner'? You'll buy GT and the game's a winner to you. I'll buy Forza and absolutely love it. I don't care if another game has better graphics. I don't care if another game has more cars. I'm buying Forza because it's my ultimate driving game. I love the 360 because it has the best joypad on the market. I love my choices because for me they're perfect and unbeatable!
As it happens I don't even care about cars that much, Forza is all about the realistic physics racing and customisation. I'd rather have twice the amount of the tracks and far fewer cars. In game cars are just tools to me, to get a job done - the job of winning a race. Personally I don't understand why anyone cares to drive hundreds of uncompetitive cars in a game. But that's your choice, it works for you.
As for graphics, it's not an issue for me. If I wanted the best graphics, I'd buy a PC. If you really want to start arguing about graphics, go join a PC forum and they'll rip to shreds in seconds! Graphics improve over time so to be obsessed with them must be a frustrating life of continually waiting. I guess as a Gran Tourismo fan, waiting is something you're all good at by now!
All GT/PS3 fanboys do with their constant bitching about Forza is make the majority of us wonder why you're so paranoid about our game. The nitpicking, the constant detail referencing and a desperate need to have everyone suggest GT is a better game really makes you lot come across as bitter and jealous of Forza, not to mention immature.
You need to understand you will not change anyone's mind. Forza and GT will sell by the bucket loads when they're released. The chances are 99% of purchasers will absolutely love their game. I'm pretty sure no Forza fan will give a second thought about GT, the PS3 or that ancient joypad you're forced to use!
If you really feel a need for approval or superiority for choosing a PS3 or Gran Tourismo, ask your mum. She'll probably agree with everything you say about the game, and your low self esteem and paranoia will disperse in the knowledge that you've backed a winner!
at the end of the day, we the consumer are tasked with turning the game into profit so why not just be straight up-honest to start with(developers). On the other hand if you dont like it or feel misled then dont buy it simple. CASE CLOSED
Conkers, SVD, stop whacking each other off in public. We don't come here to read what you guys say you're going to do to each other at night.
He boasted a lot but Forza 3 is not as good as he says, so now Forza 3 is indefensible. Stop arguing amongst yourselves and blame Dan Greenawalt & his super size mouth.
I am genuinely disappointed with Forza 3 so I think I'll finish the Forza 2 (which I quite like) campaign off and fill any remaining time before Gran Turismo 5 with GT4 and just maybe GT-PSP. The idea of a head start in GT5 appeals.
As far as I am aware, a fairy is a tiny, flying creature that lives in the garden.
They are also known to follow a green tunic wearing chap around Hyrule.
You can also wash your clothes with one, apparently.
think its also used as a term for a weak person, but you know nowdays how people love to use words and spin them so its offensive too them and no oneelse can say them but them
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