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Sony losing money on PS3 Slim

But PlayStation business is profitable as a whole, says Kaz Hirai
SCE boss Kazuo Hirai has revealed that Sony will still lose money on every PS3 Slim sold, despite the reduced manufacturing costs.

When asked if the new machine is still being sold at a loss, Hirai replied: "If you're just talking about the hardware alone, the quick answer is yes.

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"That makes good headlines, but I don't actually know that that's the true nature of the business that we're all in, whether it's PlayStation, Xbox or the Wii," Hirai told Times Online.

"I think the better indicator is to look at the business as a whole platform, to ask: are you profitable in terms of the hardware, software and peripherals. And the answer to that question is yes on a gross profit level since the last fiscal year."

Hirai also said the death of physical media won't happen for a while yet, and UMDs are here to stay. "We're in over 100 countries and there are areas where consumers still don't have access to the type of broadband that we have.

"The death of physical media is a very nice conclusion, that seems to be nice to say, but it's not something we're going to see soon. We are committed to the PSP 3000 and the UMD business."

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I call BS on the part on the PS-business making money overall now.

Last year Sony suffered a massive loss, a large part of this from the Playstation-department. So far nothing has changed since Sonys's FY 08/09.

PS3-hardware at best is selling on par with 08/09 (is the US even worse). No major software sellers, but a few smaller successes granted.

PSP has stagnated is the US, but is still going strong in Japan. Software sales on the PSP is nowhere registrering apart from Japan.

Sony has made no major restructuring and cost-cutting attempts in their Playstation-organisation.

I just dont see where the profit margin has increase so radically since Sonys last FY.

Sorry Hiraz, I think your once more talking PR-nonsens.
toaboa on 25 Aug '09
I call BS on the part on the PS-business making money overall now.

Last year Sony suffered a massive loss, a large part of this from the Playstation-department. So far nothing has changed since Sonys's FY 08/09.

PS3-hardware at best is selling on par with 08/09 (is the US even worse). No major software sellers, but a few smaller successes granted.

PSP has stagnated is the US, but is still going strong in Japan. Software sales on the PSP is nowhere registrering apart from Japan.

Sony has made no major restructuring and cost-cutting attempts in their Playstation-organisation.

I just dont see where the profit margin has increase so radically since Sonys last FY.

Sorry Hiraz, I think your once more talking PR-nonsens.

Ah, but you know all about it, aye?

I doubt he would say something like that, only to look like a tool when the sales reports are released.

Wow. Laughing
Mark240473 on 25 Aug '09
Nooooooooooooooooooo, the comments are back. I detect a s**tstorm approaching Rolling Eyes
gippobeater on 25 Aug '09
This is just PR talk. Saying that they are losing money sounds like they care about the consumer. They probably don't make money on the machine, but they do make money from game sales. It has been the same with almost every other console that has ever been made, except for (or so i'm told) the Wii.
lordirongut on 25 Aug '09
I am very tempted by this @ Shopto for £230 on preorder. It's price puts it well in the region of "impulse buy".

Problem is I can only see myself using it for a couple of games (namely LBP and Wipeout) - I really only want the Blu-ray player.

What does anyone think? Should I get this or save myself about £80 and get just a stand-alone BR player?
altitude2k on 25 Aug '09
@ altitude2k

I'd say its worth the extra £80. Considering that you can pick up most of the better / older exclusives at rock bottom prices.

managed to get hold of Uncharted, MGS4, Heavenly sword and Resistance for £30 for the lot at my local game shop. Blockbusters have had some pretty good deals on recently too.

Back on topic. Obviously its spin. It always is.
WHERESMYMONKEY on 25 Aug '09
I am very tempted by this @ Shopto for £230 on preorder. It's price puts it well in the region of "impulse buy".

Problem is I can only see myself using it for a couple of games (namely LBP and Wipeout) - I really only want the Blu-ray player.

What does anyone think? Should I get this or save myself about £80 and get just a stand-alone BR player?

I guess it really depends on how much you want to play LBP and Wipeout.

Wink
ParmaViolet on 25 Aug '09
You never know altitude2k, more games that come out may take your fancy and then you have bases covered. But if on the whole your gaming needs are taken care of, I'd save the £80 and get a standalone BR player...

I've noticed a lack of comments on news articles this week. Everybody taking time off from posting?
JuiKuen on 25 Aug '09
I am very tempted by this @ Shopto for £230 on preorder. It's price puts it well in the region of "impulse buy".

Problem is I can only see myself using it for a couple of games (namely LBP and Wipeout) - I really only want the Blu-ray player.

What does anyone think? Should I get this or save myself about £80 and get just a stand-alone BR player?

I guess it really depends on how much you want to play LBP and Wipeout.

Wink

Probably not £80 worth to be honest! I think my question more revolves around how good it is as a BR player compared with some of the cheaper stand-alone players.
altitude2k on 25 Aug '09
Get it you silly bottom!
Uncharted 1+2
MGS
GT5
MAG
Resistance 1 + 2
GOW3
There's a few reasons
HITMANBAZZA on 25 Aug '09
It works perfectly well as a Blu ray player. It's also really good at playing video files too, Much less picky than the 360 can be.
WHERESMYMONKEY on 25 Aug '09
I am very tempted by this @ Shopto for £230 on preorder. It's price puts it well in the region of "impulse buy".

Problem is I can only see myself using it for a couple of games (namely LBP and Wipeout) - I really only want the Blu-ray player.

What does anyone think? Should I get this or save myself about £80 and get just a stand-alone BR player?

I guess it really depends on how much you want to play LBP and Wipeout.

Wink

Probably not £80 worth to be honest! I think my question more revolves around how good it is as a BR player compared with some of the cheaper stand-alone players.

It sounds to me like you are not interested in the PS3 as a games console, so it was a bit of a silly question really.

Get a standalone BR player.
Mark240473 on 25 Aug '09
The PS3 is excellent as a standalone Blu-ray player, if you just want that. Several years on, it still beats most others in terms of playback quality. The only better ones, in my experience, have been the expensive flagship models that the major electronics companies sell, which can be upwards of £300. The sound can be a bit of a pain to get going properly, but it is still great. And, if anymore exclusives do come out that take your fancy, then you can always play them
lordirongut on 25 Aug '09
I am very tempted by this @ Shopto for £230 on preorder. It's price puts it well in the region of "impulse buy".

Problem is I can only see myself using it for a couple of games (namely LBP and Wipeout) - I really only want the Blu-ray player.

What does anyone think? Should I get this or save myself about £80 and get just a stand-alone BR player?

I guess it really depends on how much you want to play LBP and Wipeout.

Wink

Probably not £80 worth to be honest! I think my question more revolves around how good it is as a BR player compared with some of the cheaper stand-alone players.

It sounds to me like you are not interested in the PS3 as a games console, so it was a bit of a silly question really.

Get a standalone BR player.

Not at all. If it works better than most BR players (which the original PS3 did - being one of the only ones that could update to profile 2.0) then I'll fork out the extra. Plus I'll get the added bonus of playing the few exclusives I would like to play. Otherwise, if I can get a stand alone player that works just as well but is considerably cheaper then I'll just do that.
altitude2k on 25 Aug '09
Get it you silly bottom!

That's the most polite insult I think I've ever seen on this site!
altitude2k on 25 Aug '09
£249 IS STILL TO MUCH PEOPLE. Cool
ruley1979 on 25 Aug '09
The PS3 is excellent as a standalone Blu-ray player, if you just want that. Several years on, it still beats most others in terms of playback quality. The only better ones, in my experience, have been the expensive flagship models that the major electronics companies sell, which can be upwards of £300. The sound can be a bit of a pain to get going properly, but it is still great. And, if anymore exclusives do come out that take your fancy, then you can always play them

Nice BS! It's common knowledge to AV types that the the PS3 has not been the best Blu ray player since profile 2.0 and firmware-upgradable stand-alones have been on the market. For the past 18 months you have been able to buy a better Blu ray player than the PS3 for less than £200 and now for little over £100.
tomlankester on 25 Aug '09
considering the 360 elite is £229.99 you're essentially paying £20 extra for Blu ray. I wouldn't say £250 was still too expensive at all.
WHERESMYMONKEY on 25 Aug '09
Doesn't have any games though.
BenJy! on 25 Aug '09
well last time i checked both machines games catalogues are 90% identical.

So it has games. unless i can't play Fallout 3, Bioshock,COD (for those that like it), resi5, Deadspace, The Orange Box, GTA IV, Arkham asylum and many others on the PS3 as well as the 360.

It basically comes down to which exclusives you prefer. I like em all so i own both. greedy i know but hey i'm a gamer.
WHERESMYMONKEY on 25 Aug '09
I call BS on the part on the PS-business making money overall now.

Last year Sony suffered a massive loss, a large part of this from the Playstation-department. So far nothing has changed since Sonys's FY 08/09.

PS3-hardware at best is selling on par with 08/09 (is the US even worse). No major software sellers, but a few smaller successes granted.

PSP has stagnated is the US, but is still going strong in Japan. Software sales on the PSP is nowhere registrering apart from Japan.

Sony has made no major restructuring and cost-cutting attempts in their Playstation-organisation.

I just dont see where the profit margin has increase so radically since Sonys last FY.

Sorry Hiraz, I think your once more talking PR-nonsens.

Surely no less likely to be making money than MS.

Granted, the 360 has been out longer and has sold more overall but if you consider the huuuuuuuuge amount of profit lost on fixing faulty machines....

I'm also sure I read that the PS3 is selling faster than the 360 did when it had been out for the same time.

Just speculating though really...the only true fact I know is that owning a 360 makes your manhood smaller. Razz
English Shmuppet on 25 Aug '09
I call BS on the part on the PS-business making money overall now.

Last year Sony suffered a massive loss, a large part of this from the Playstation-department. So far nothing has changed since Sonys's FY 08/09.

PS3-hardware at best is selling on par with 08/09 (is the US even worse). No major software sellers, but a few smaller successes granted.

PSP has stagnated is the US, but is still going strong in Japan. Software sales on the PSP is nowhere registrering apart from Japan.

Sony has made no major restructuring and cost-cutting attempts in their Playstation-organisation.

I just dont see where the profit margin has increase so radically since Sonys last FY.

Sorry Hiraz, I think your once more talking PR-nonsens.

Surely no less likely to be making money than MS.

Granted, the 360 has been out longer and has sold more overall but if you consider the huuuuuuuuge amount of profit lost on fixing faulty machines....

I'm also sure I read that the PS3 is selling faster than the 360 did when it had been out for the same time.

Just speculating though really...the only true fact I know is that owning a 360 makes your manhood smaller.Razz

But your lady said I was soooo much bigger than you! Wink
Black Mantis on 25 Aug '09
Is that a PS3 stuffed down your trousers or are you just pleased to see me?





...no...wait...he's got a rumblepak in his briefs! Shocked
English Shmuppet on 25 Aug '09
Is that a PS3 stuffed down your trousers or are you just pleased to see me?





...no...wait...he's got a rumblepak in his briefs! Shocked
Laughing
Black Mantis on 25 Aug '09
It works perfectly well as a Blu ray player. It's also really good at playing video files too, Much less picky than the 360 can be.

Thats good to know. I really have little interest in Blu ray, for now, but it's good to know that I won't have to buy a standalone one, like with DVD and the PS2.
YCshinobi on 25 Aug '09
I think what he means is that Sony make a loss on PS3 harware in the US but that is evened out because they like to f*** us europeans over with a much higher price point (about £35-40 over inc.vat)
sonne jim on 25 Aug '09
I am very tempted by this @ Shopto for £230 on preorder. It's price puts it well in the region of "impulse buy".

Problem is I can only see myself using it for a couple of games (namely LBP and Wipeout) - I really only want the Blu-ray player.

What does anyone think? Should I get this or save myself about £80 and get just a stand-alone BR player?

I'll not even start into the games you're missing out on but even just as Bluray player the PS3 is a massive bargain. This Panasonic bluray player just about has more features than the PS3.
voodoo341 on 25 Aug '09
Not at all. If it works better than most BR players (which the original PS3 did - being one of the only ones that could update to profile 2.0) then I'll fork out the extra. Plus I'll get the added bonus of playing the few exclusives I would like to play. Otherwise, if I can get a stand alone player that works just as well but is considerably cheaper then I'll just do that.

I was going to suggest maybe getting one for the fact that you'll be able to update it in the future (if any new updates come out), and the games will always be a plus. Or you could wait a couple of weeks or so to see if retailers bring down the price of the original PS3 or see if you can find a PS3 Slim cheaper than the RRP to save yourself a bit more than £80.
dark_gamer on 25 Aug '09
I have a Ps3 i can 1)play games on it. 2)watch blu-ray on it. 3)browse 'grown up' web sites on it. 4)sort my mp3/other storage devices on it. 5)play cod 4 online for free on it. Worth paying a little more for than a 'stand alone' don't you think?
jonboy1969 on 25 Aug '09
Cool FORGET ABOUT LOSE MONEY WITH PS-CRAP (THAT THE LEAST OF THE WORRYS, BABY!)
Cool
YOUS ALSO LOSE RESPECT, SEX ABBEAL, AND /WIN
Cool
MAY PRAYER FOR YOUR SOULS BEFOE SLEEPY TIME.

(CONGRATULATION! YOU'VE JUST BEEN /OWNED)
xboxrulez on 25 Aug '09
To whoever asked if he should buy one...I have no hesitation in recommending you do! It is excellent as a Bluray player (But I would recommend buying the official remote for 15 quid to go with it, feels much more natural when used to watch movies), excellent for a games machine and generally very good as an 'entertainment' centre. At £230 at Shopto is a great price, you can't go wrong!

If, however, you already have a Xbox 360 or a Bluray player then it probably wouldn't warrant a buy as you can buy either for £150 ish as aposed to the £230 for a Playstation...Um...

Ultimately, it's your own decision but I say go for it!

P.S. Fao: Wheresmymonkey. Am I sensing that you're attitute is softening towards your Sony machine?!?!? I've seen a fewer hostile comments about the phat black box lately from you!
ei8hty5ive on 25 Aug '09
Am i the only one here who would love to see a new manhunt game on next gen id say it wud be st!t hot the cheated the world out of a proper manhunt 2 uncut version i had to torrent to get it i demand manhunt 3 who,s with me
Last Ninja on 25 Aug '09
I have a Ps3 i can 1)play games on it. 2)watch blu-ray on it. 3)browse 'grown up' web sites on it. 4)sort my mp3/other storage devices on it. 5)play cod 4 online for free on it. Worth paying a little more for than a 'stand alone' don't you think?

It's only worth it if you want to do all those other things.
altitude2k on 26 Aug '09
Cool FORGET ABOUT LOSE MONEY WITH PS-CRAP (THAT THE LEAST OF THE WORRYS, BABY!)
Cool
YOUS ALSO LOSE RESPECT, SEX ABBEAL, AND /WIN
Cool
MAY PRAYER FOR YOUR SOULS BEFOE SLEEPY TIME.

(CONGRATULATION! YOU'VE JUST BEEN /OWNED)

Jeez - don't they give you kids some assignment or homework to do over the summer holidays?

You seriously seem like you could do with some extra curricular English.

Rolling Eyes
ParmaViolet on 26 Aug '09
I say we should ban all under 16's from online gaming. Twisted Evil
English Shmuppet on 26 Aug '09
I say we should ban all under 16's from online gaming. Twisted Evil

Sad thing is, they're probably not under 16.
altitude2k on 26 Aug '09
I say we should ban all under 16's from online gaming. Twisted Evil

Sad thing is, they're probably not under 16.

I say - if he's over 18 - sterilise him....it's for the good of humanity.

Wink
ParmaViolet on 26 Aug '09
P.S. Fao: Wheresmymonkey. Am I sensing that you're attitute is softening towards your Sony machine?!?!? I've seen a fewer hostile comments about the phat black box lately from you!

I might be becoming less millitant in my old age. I still don't see the who ha about Blu ray. It did make ghostbusters look prettier though.

What the fight really comes down to is whther you prefer Halo or Killzone. I'm a Halo man through and through.

Doesn't mean a guy can't enjoy a lil Folklore and Uncharted though.

the fight between the PS3 and the 360 is getting increasingly pointless in my mind. My main beef with the PS3 was the fact that it cost alot to give you relatively little extra. the dash is still a mess and PSN still sucks balls but at least your not getting charged over the odds to find int out.
WHERESMYMONKEY on 26 Aug '09
Just speculating though really...the only true fact I know is that owning a 360 makes your manhood smaller. Razz

Not to mention the fact that some of them give you a red ring. Wink

@ Monkey, do you really think the ps dash is a mess?. Compared to the 360 dash I find it simpler and more straightforward myself.
flash501 on 26 Aug '09
yep can't stand the thing. The settings are the worst part. not a fan of the Playstation store either.

NXE is just so much more elegant, and easy. especially if you use the blades on the home button.

PS3 has some corking games, but its frontend needs somekind of overhaul.
WHERESMYMONKEY on 26 Aug '09
I have to agree with you on that one Monkey. I find going on to the PSN store a bit of a chore to be honest and txing is a pain too. Xbox online has the advantage of having millions of pounds every year paid into their coffers from the online subscriptions and will obviously be more polished (And better to use), but would I subscribe if Sony started charging to improve PSN? Probably not, so I won't complain too much!
ei8hty5ive on 26 Aug '09
Just speculating though really...the only true fact I know is that owning a 360 makes your manhood smaller. Razz

Not to mention the fact that some of them give you a red ring. Wink

Easy there, my friend...we're talking about the hardware here, not the people that own it! Laughing
English Shmuppet on 26 Aug '09
Cool if youz cant handel the troth, go play "super aquariam designer" on ps-crap.
Cool all real players knows ythat xbox = /win

case closed. troth told. surmon end
xboxrulez on 26 Aug '09
Cool if youz cant handel the troth, go play "super aquariam designer" on ps-crap.
Cool all real players knows ythat xbox = /win

case closed. troth told. surmon end

Oh ffs, it's not troth it's truth, T-R-U-T-H!!!!!. MadMad
flash501 on 26 Aug '09
@ Altitude2k. Of course I want to do these things,that's why I own a ps3 and not a 360 or a wii!(anymore).Each to thier own and all that b******s,for my personal requirements I choose a Ps3.It's my preference-that's all! Rolling Eyes
jonboy1969 on 26 Aug '09
Cool if youz cant handel the troth, go play "super aquariam designer" on ps-crap.
Cool all real players knows ythat xbox = /win

case closed. troth told. surmon end

What is a troth?

Is it a tree-snake/sloth hybrid?

Doesn't sound like the type of animal one would keep in an aquarium.
English Shmuppet on 27 Aug '09
Cool oh cmon, baby! lern the internets speek granddad. example time
Cool
xbox is amazing = troth
xbox is below par = lay (not troth)
Cool
may draw yous diagrame? /owned
xboxrulez on 27 Aug '09
Cool oh cmon, baby! lern the internets speek granddad. example time
Cool
xbox is amazing = troth
xbox is below par = lay (not troth)
Cool
may draw yous diagrame? /owned
xboxrulez on 27 Aug '09
http://malstrom.50webs.com/washinghardcore2.htm

PS3 IS MEANINGLESS IN THE NEW AGE LINK ABOVE PROVES IT http://malstrom.50webs.com/washinghardcore2.htm

THERE U GO LINK AND LEARN
wiiCVGboy101 on 27 Aug '09
Cool may dont have a clue made of s**t what that wall of txt (noob) meens? maybe yous does the paraphrase and giv may hilights?
Cool
xboxrulez on 27 Aug '09
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