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 Digg.com Facebook Google Bookmarks N4G Gamerblips del.icio.us Reddit Slashdot.org StumbleUpon Anything that pis*es off Activision is good. Kudos to those who have obtained this, and I wish failure upon Activision in court. In fact, I wish failure on anything associated with Activision. Why can't these sad pr1cks just wait until the game is released instead of getting a hard-on about distributing an unfinished build.
And people wonder why PC gaming is in the shit it is!! Hmm, I have very mixed feelings about this.
Piracy is stealing, and it not just Activision who will suffer as a result of this. On the flip side, Activision will suffer (even if ever so slightly) so in that respect it is a good thing.
I can't stand those greedy *******s. They can **** off. 2nd hand all the way for me. Looking forward to a drop in 2nd hand prices for MW1 once the sequel is released.
Pity I don't have a 2nd hand PS3 too, so I can spite Sony at the same time. ****s. wow monty thats pretty harsh but i agree esp. the sony part :? a second hand PS3 wouldn't really spite Sony at all. If its the hardcore that are beta testing it then its no bad thing. Kinda like what people are doing with windows 7, but illegal.
I posted on these forums a while back about not buying Activision games due to their insane attack on brutal legends in the courts. I however wont slag them for chasing down the people responsible for this leak. Even though I feel in experienced users hands its just a beta test and does no harm.
Also Prototype is £20 on steam...so I may break my self imposed ban 2 weeks after making it :oops:
Just finished Infamous and really fancy prototype No, man! Have willpower! I concur with the emboldened bit. But..but, it looks so much fun! That's what Kotick wants you to think. So is it true the W@W zombie map packs have all along just been a paid for demo for Activisions real zombie game Wolfenstein?
Calm down i'm only joking you addicts you. And there was I thinking "who's going to play this online, with so much competition?" ...and now I have my answer - pirates - kids who can play it for free!
I recently read about someone who received a massive fine for downloading music. I have a feeling whoever is responsible for this is going to regret his actions. Pirating retail games is bad enough, but one that's not released is surely the best way to upset developers and publishers. I expect someone's going to be massively in debt once this goes to court.
It's really about time internet providers started to police this, or the law needs to get involved (if they've got time to sit beside roads desperately waiting for a speeding driver, they have time to plenty of other things!). While pirating clearly isn't anywhere near as serious as other crimes involving computers, the law has shown, when it cares, it can track down online criminals. It's about time pirating was taken more seriously by law enforcement agencies and the courts. The whole argument about privacy laws and people rights is pathetic. Only criminals or those involved in criminal activity have something to hide!
On the plus side, our internet speeds might improve too if movie, music and game pirates are stopped! I was really hoping this story was going to be about some actual wolves that had escaped the Activision Head Office.
Maybe they should get some to keep the workers in line.
These people who do this stuff are the norm it seems. Everytime I come on to these sites there has been a leak of some kind.
Sadley its the same for all other mediums of entertainment. Guess there's not much respect out there for the people and products. Activision may be evil, but the guys that made Prototype are just a dev that is a slave to this evil cash consuming monster. Help them earn thier freedom by buying Prototype.
It kicks ass too. ì suggest not buying prototype its a crap game.
it has so many bugs it could rival mercenaries 2....... ok not that many but still.
it kept freezing up on me locking the whole system.
the missions are exactly the same, the whole game your either fighting the military or protecting them.
prototype would have to be the most repetitive game ive ever played, if you have to play it rent it its not worth 30 bucks.
not even 20.
as for wolfenstien im really excited for the game, but also verry worried.
theres no demo.
every game activision has released that had no demo i hated.
to me theres only 1 reason they wouldn't have a demo.
because they dident want to scare off the fans of the series.
ill wait for the reviews if any good i might rent it.
otherwise i aint buying any activision games this year, if they keep going the way they are i wont be buying their games ever again.
greedy SOBs If you have been playing COD W@W's zombie maps you will have already played the Wolfenstein DEMO :lol:
(only joking w@w fans dont get all bent outa shape) Sure, because the one thing we need more of is a police state mentality. No thanks. Law and order is one thing; insidious, over reaching, semi-fascist initiatives that do not distinguish between legitimate privacy and pirates, etc. are an entirely different matter.
In this instance - and it does not appear to be an isolated incident - it wasn't the general public that's responsible and yet it will be the general public that bears the consequences if your wishes are executed. It literally amounts to the old saying of "one bad apple spoils the rest". That is an indefensible mentality to uphold in a modern court of law in liberal democracies(illeberal democracies, such as Russia, are another matter). I would recommend the publishers and developers find better ways of screening beta testers, even the journalists that receive early copies along with their own members of staff if need be (unpleasant as it may be for the working environment). Then there's the matter of the reliabitility of the retail stores' staff, but again in none of the groups mentioned above is it, nor should it be, the responsibility of the general public to suffer the burden. Posted by voodoo341
":? a second hand PS3 wouldn't really spite Sony at all."
Yes it does, as they do not have any money from me but the previous owner, whereas if purchased new, they not only receieve money from me, but that is one more sale to boost sales forecasts for them.
True it is just me, but what is an ocean, but a collection of drops?
@Rick Daglas
Ha ha, yeah. I was kind of hopeing the same thing. The Activision Wolf has escaped! Ha ha :lol: Precisely. While Sony has received money from the initial purchase they do not benefit from your cash directly. It is a fine distinction and it can be a slippery slope at times, but there is a difference.
Side note: Fenris? :P The pirates have my support in this. I hate piracy, but if it pisses off activision then its all goooooooooood :wink: Buying a second hand console doesn't benefit the manufacturer are you certain about that,you not gonna play anything but second hand games on it and never take it online or download any demos then,this isn't meant as a personal attack mate but your statement didn't make any sense to me either. @ Lawless
Yes. I will be playing pretty much nothing but 2nd hand when I get my pre-owned PS3. There are loads of games on the PS3 now that I want but have been out for a while, so I can purchse them 2nd hand. Also, where PSN is not a pay per use service (except for game downloads and DLC obviously), I honestly think I will be able to purchase the vast majority of games pre-owned, except for a few exceptional curcumstances. It's not that I think Microsoft are angels, and derseve my money as they are 'nice' or anything, but I do have a problem with Sony as a company. They are one of the most ruthless corps around. The only coporations I can think of who are even more ruthless off the top of my head are Disney and Glaxoklein Welcome.
As stated earlier, Microsoft are in a similar bracket to Sony, but on the whole when it comes to the Xbox 360, i think they are genrally getting it right. Also, they did not have a CEO who said that the 360 will install disiplin, and that I have to work extra hours to be able to afford one.
Things like that tend to prey on my stubborn streak, so I am going to do everything I can to play a PS3 and all it's games legally, without Sony getting a penny. Activision have now joined that list (my list also includes Apple, after my ibook G4 broke as a result of a desing fault, and they never sorted it out).
Ha ha, I know I probably come across as a bit of a ****, but this isn't about fanboyism, it is about companies taking the piss. Microsoft have yet to spite me personally, neither have Nintendo. It makes quite a lot of sense if you examine it a bit further. Say person A bought game X upon release. Person B wants to play the game but won't buy it at release price and/or directly from the publisher. So what does person B do? Pirate it or buy it second hand. This effectively costs the publisher one sale since person B was interested in buying it and if he/she had no other recourse than to buy a new copy and isn't willing to forego the game then the publisher has ensured that a second copy will be bought for person B instead of one copy bought by person A being sold on to person B at no profit to the publisher. The second-hand market only offers the publisher the first sale profits. All subsequent transactions bypass them. That's where the potential for loss arises since some of those second hand sales mights have been first sales had the pricing been lower or if the company in question wasn't in the dog house with person B,C,D,E,F,G, etc.
This is also the likely source of the claim that some companies are intentionally trying to destroy the second-hand market. Whether that is true or not, it's certainly easy to see the financial motive for various companies to try and achieve such a result. You and I seem to be coming from the same place on matters such as this, and even regarding the same companies. The notable exception being that I have no intention of buying a PS3 even if it's second-hand kit. :) @ KFD
Yeah I'm glad someone understands what I am saying (well, trying to say at least!). It isn't anything against the products themselves, it's when I feel like I am being taken for granted.
It's when companies like Activision are like "yeah, most of our customers are mongs. Shall wee like, I dunno, hike the prices up? They won't care as it is their mums who are going to pay for it anyway" and Sony with "Right, so this Go! thing probably costs 40% less to make, huh? Hmm, shall we charge £250 for it and come up with some junk about it being premium, yeah?". If no one makes a stand, they will just charge even more extotionate amounts.
Why does a DVD of a hollywood film cost £17 on release, when they cost as much to make as games?
It just bothers me. At least with Microsoft, they generally understand (well, pretend to anyway) the difficulties of the average consumer. I think that's a really good point, in reference to the cost of movie DVDs. Some might argue that the movie watching market is bigger than the games market, and perhaps it is, yet it's been confirmed that the games market is a multi-billion dollar industry. Many of the movies have comparable costs, or cost even more, than many of the games in terms of development and production costs! some intresting reading about the second hand market.
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Perry: Used games pushing industry to digital distribution
Dave Perry is obsessed with the issue of used games. His rants on the subject have been numerous, and now he's implicated GameStop and its ilk in the game industry's recent drive to pursue digital distribution. Claiming that his own digital service Gaiki has already made folks at GameStop "hate" him, Perry has basically implied that such services are the company's own fault.
"I've made so much money from their store, so I can't be mean to them about that," says Perry, talking about Gaikai. "I can be mean about their used game policy, because they're pushing the industry to digital distribution perhaps faster than it would have gone."
Perry will likely never shut up about used games until the world has gone fully digital, but I really wish he'd can it. We get it -- publishers love making vast amounts of money and they feel cheated that they can't continue making cash off something they already sold once. Boo hoo, poor publisher.
Once again, I'll reiterate what I've said many times before -- it's a fact of life and a part of business. Capitalism is great for the games industry when it's using the system to make a fat profit, but sadly you can't just cut out the bits of capitalism you don't like. Take the good with the bad, the bad in this case being that GameStop has a right to sell secondhand products, just like car dealerships and charity chops can sell used cars and clothes.
I wish publishers would just sit tight and wait for the digital age. We all know they're going to rape we customers with the fury of a thousand suns once they achieve complete market control, so the least they could do is shut up and take the hit while consumers still have a choice.
Heres a link to my DLC scrapbook
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=90871&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 I'm not entirely sure why you consider the idea so bad. For example, if you set up a child pornography website, or started planning to do a little terrorism and used the internet to organise such activities, I'm sure the law would track you down. I'm not for a second suggesting copying games is on the same level, but I was suggesting that if the law actually took piracy seriously, it should be 'as easy' to track down and take to court someone downloading games, movies and music as a paedophile or terrorists.
As happy as I am for there to be cameras watching me when I'm out, I'm equally as happy to know that my internet use is traceable. I do nothing illegal or wrong when I'm out or when I'm on the internet. The only people who need to worry are criminals (serious or petty). If being watched by cameras feels intrusive, walk dark alleys and back streets to feel free and liberated!
Admittedly the big difference with how you and I think is that you believe we live in a free state. I actually believe we all live in a controlled-dictatorship! While there are too many laws; too many ridiculous ones, and utterly unenforceable ones, and one that shouldn't dictate how you live your life if it doesn't affect others, some do actually make sense and matter but are often unenforced.
Anyway, back on subject... The biggest problem with piracy is peoples attitude to it. No one (the public, the law) cares, no one thinks it's important. :D @ Jensonjet
Has anyone ever lent you a music cd, tv show or other DVD? This (to the letter of the law) is illegal. I buy alot of music, how to I find out about his music? well through radio, internet, films and friends. People that lend me these discs/files are breaking the law and I am breaking the law by using them.
This is a very slippery slope and the people that shout about "piracy" being evil are the ones most likely to be hurt the most if sharing stopped. Many Record/TV/games companies would fall off the face of the earth if this law was followed to the letter and we would all experience alot less choice in what we purchase.
There is a balance and like I said I dont have any bad feelings to Activision hunting down the people that stole this beta. I just feel it is pretty harmless as the people involved know its an early build and are just curious The problem with a boycott is that the only one you screw over it yourself. I did that with EA for years and years (after they shut down MCO) and I missed out on loads of good games because of it.
Did it change their mentality at all? No. I'm pleased they've changed their ways now, but it's only because social networking means more of a community voice, not because 20 fewer people buy a copy.
So while yes, Activision's behaviour at the moment is piss poor and I'm quite shocked that the Blizzard arm isn't trying to do something about it since it's their reputation being tarnished too. But without a noticable percentage drop in sales (and for CoD4 that would be about 200,000 people for a 1% decline) they're not going to change.
I'm all for the principle, but something more proactive is going to work better. Online petitions are pretty worthles, but a Facebook group who each send a single complaint email to the company would piss them off if you got enough sign ups. I used to think the way you do when I was younger. I have found that as I continue to mature my patience and tolerance of bungling bureaucracy which may, or may not, have good intentions wears increasingly thin. The argument that "if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear" is incidentally also a fallacy. It is deceptively simple and appears to be straight forward and fair, however it completely ignores several issues that have far reaching ramfications, not the least of them being why should you have to prove your innocent? Which then raises one of the foundations of most Western societies - corrupt or otherwise today - which is that you are innocent until proven guilty.
While you may be perfectly happy to roll over and become a lap dog to some authoritarian state I am not. Historically its people with your lackadaisical attitude that have helped usher in some of the worst abuses of power and inhumanity in human history. Sleep well at night knowing that it will be others that defend your rights, for now at any rate...For the record, I'm not opposed to a certain amount of surveillance and enforcement; my issue lies with where the boundaries are to be set.
As you already acknowledged, pirating a game, movie or song is not in the same league as child pornography, etc. Complete control of any system without mechanisms in place to ensure checks and balances of the distribution of power, you make it far more likely that grave injustices and abuses of power transpire. It's so easy to think that it's all fine as long as you aren't subject to the brunt of those abuses, but eventually it can come knocking on your door, and if things get bad enough it will. I wonder if your tune will change then? And yet any process has to start somewhere. Every "bomb" has a "fuse" - sometimes a long one, sometimes a short one, but when the resulting explosion comes it didn't just happen out of nowhere despite appearances. I disagree that you are only cheating yourself. While you may disagree I consider principle in certain matters more important than instant gratification. Besides, how do you know for sure that a significant amount of other people aren't boycotting as well? This is why organization for movements are vital because it provides a visible presence and purpose to those who share it's sentiments as opposed to making each individual feel as though they are alone in an ocean of humanity. There may, or may not, be other individuals who share similar thoughts and feelings but are afraid to voice them precisely because they too think they are alone. It's a vicious cycle. The_KFD_Case,
I'm sorry, but don't give me that pathetic lap dog routine, unless you're willing to outline, in detail, exactly why you're not the very thing you accuse others of being. Perhaps you could explain what you're doing to change the system or why you're not just another lap dog yourself. As for suggesting 'people like me' helped 'usher in some of the worst abuses of power and inhumanity', please. You clearly enjoy insulting others, but I find it astounding how pompous you are. You think you know me so well that you can make such ridiculous statements based on one little forum post. I'm not entirely sure what your problem is (and in truth don't care), but venting your frustration and anger about life on videogames forum posters is pretty pathetic. Or maybe I'm wrong, and you have all the answers and could resolve all that's wrong in the world of politics. If only people would listen huh?
Anyway, back on subject...
I explained why I thought piracy was so prevalent and suggested, in a short simple form, how it could be dealt with. I don't claim to have all the answers and only gave a broad outline on how this issue could be dealt with. As my idea that internet providers and the law need to be more proactive clearly seems outrageous to you and would lead to an abuse of power, why don't you explain your own ideas on resolving game piracy. Don't be afraid of airing your thoughts. Maybe people will be gracious enough to discuss them with you.
Personally, I don't care to communicate with you again. I find you too arrogant and pretentious to discuss ideas with.
runadumb,
I'm sorry but I assumed by commenting on an article about 'pirating of a videogame' everyone would understand this means the copying and free distribution of a videogame. The borrowing and lending of music or movies is not what I understand to be pirating. I know these can be pirated, but I was specifically discussing games. If piracy of videogames was eradicated I would certainly not be affected. I accept your view that pirating a beta is harmless, I don't see it that way. And I fully understand why Activision have reacted as they have.
I admit I wasn't aware that borrowing, watching and returning a friend's DVD was illegal! Clearly I'm a criminal too, especially as two friends of mine have currently borrowed a couple of my DVDs! lordirongut you are a despicable c**t. Kudos to whoever did this? You are an idiot. Go somewhere else please. GOOD. Should give greedy Activi$ion, or Ca$hiviSion, as they should be known, a scare. :lol: |
