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Sony posts Q1 loss as PlayStation sales decline

PS3 and PSP hardware and software sales down during the quarter
Sony posted an operating loss and revenue decline during the first quarter ended June 30, both of which extended to the firm's PlayStation business.

Sony's company-wide operating loss totaled 25.7 billion yen ($270.5m/£165.4m), compared with a 73.4 billion yen profit a year earlier.

Net loss was 37.1 billion yen ($390.5m/£238.7), compared with a net profit of 35 billion yen the previous year.

Revenues also fell 19.2 per cent to 1.6 trillion yen ($16.83b/£10.25b).

Sony's networked products and services division, which houses the PlayStation unit, saw sales down by 37.4 per cent to 246.8 billion yen ($2.6b/£1.59b), primarily due to a "decrease in sales in the game business and of VAIO PCs."

The division reported an operating loss of 39.7 billion yen ($418m/£254.2m), with profit declines in the games segment and on VAIO PCs again largely responsible.

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During the quarter the company sold 1.1 million PS3 consoles, compared to 1.6 million in the same quarter last year. PSP sales fell from 3.7 million to 1.3 million, while PS2 sales were up by 100,000 units to 1.6 million.

Quarterly PS3 software sales declined from 22.8 million units to 14.8 million. PSP game sales were down from 11.8 million to 8.3 million, and PS2 software sales from 19.3 million to 8.5 million.

For the full business year to March 2010, Sony maintained its guidance of an operating loss of 110 billion yen ($1.16b/£704.3m).

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Posted by BenJy!
Hmm, I predict 5 pages of rage for this one..
Posted by Strollingchimp
it ain't as bad as microsoft they have a lawsuit against them and of the guy wins the may have to pull the 360 off the shelves. i got it from gamespot.
Posted by jonbwfc
There's a name for this in business management. I think it's called The Anderson Effect (definitely a name beginning with 'A'). Basically, if you show the world that a new version of your product will appear at 'some time in the future' you immediately kill sales of the current version of your product. Sony obviously would know about this but had to to show the PSP Go because, well, everybody knew about it already anyway. if Sony had half an ounce of sense they'd be running themselves into the ground to get the PSP Go to market worldwide as soon as is bloody possible, because every day it's not on the shelves is killing them a little more.
'Sony', 'half an ounce of sense'.. what am I thinking?


The mind boggles.

Jon
Posted by ParmaViolet
You mean this?:

Illinois man taking hardware maker to court, asks for sale of consoles to be halted, damages for self and fellow consumers.

Microsoft is back in court defending its oft-maligned Xbox 360 hardware. An Oak Forest, Illinois, man filed suit against Microsoft in the Northern District of Illinois - Eastern Division earlier this month, saying the console maker has been unjustly enriching itself by selling Xbox 360 systems that it knows contain a material design defect.

In December of 2008, a little over a year after the man purchased his Xbox 360, the system stopped working and was sent to Microsoft for repairs. Because the unit was out of warranty, the customer said he was charged a $99 repair/replacement fee. He adds that Microsoft gave him no explanation as to what was wrong with his console in the first place.

The alleged defect is presumably not the infamous "red ring of death" issue, as Microsoft admitted that flaw in July of 2007, months before the plaintiff purchased his system. Additionally, the company extended the warranty on "red ring" failure to three years, and the repairs in question would have fallen well within that window.

The plaintiff wants his complaint approved for class-action status and to be awarded actual damages or other restitution determined during a trial. Additionally, he wants a court order preventing Microsoft from continuing to sell the Xbox 360.

Microsoft's latest console has been the subject of lawsuits from the time it launched. Just weeks after the system's November 2005 debut, it was hit with a lawsuit over design defects that caused 360s to overheat. A 2006 suit was filed after a Fall Dashboard update "bricked" some users' systems. Problems keeping Xbox Live operational during the 2007 holiday season sparked another lawsuit, as did a number of disc-scratching incidents caused by switching the console between its horizontal and vertical orientations with discs in the drive.

A Microsoft representative did not return a request for comment as of press time.

I don't think the guy stands a chance, to be honest...much as I agree with him. MS are way too good in court to let one guys 'crusade' stop them.

Still, this should be an interesting thread...

:)
Posted by nottsville
You can always tell which threads will go into meltdown.....they have Playstation in the title.

I'm going to go away for an hour....i reckon it'll be multi-page by then......
Posted by Giant_Crab
I've got an idea. How about people use this thread to have the exact same fight they have in every other thread (apart from the ones where people are arguing whether or not Treyarch are shit). That'd be cool.
Posted by Miss_Wacy
now this thread will be interesting, just like another little thread earlier this week
Posted by splojgonxee
it's a recession people if any company is making a profit during this year i will indeed be surprised.
Posted by davidc
..the ps2 is selling more than the ps3..??..has this ever happened before that an older machine outsells its newer counterpart..??......
Posted by The_KFD_Case
Agreed. I suppose that the expected knee-jerk reaction from Sony would be to scrap any plans for a price cut. While that would be understandable, it is arguable that what the Playstation brand needs right now is precisely that: A price cut to help stimulate lagging interest. Discounted prices for the games also holds the potential to increase sales which may then result in better overall profit despite earning a lower profit margin per unit sold.

I'll be very surprised if this thread doesn't turn into a post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland before the day is over.
Posted by ricflair
There's a recession on, the PSP Go got leaked and therefore announced before Sony wanted and no GTAIV this last quarter.

All companies have seen sales decrease.
Posted by The_KFD_Case
True, yet the recession is not the only factor at play here. It certainly hasn't done Sony any favours though, but certain bonehead decisions by its management conversely aren't helping either. Granted, they may know things we don't but it's not exactly ingenious salesmanship to release a handheld that's more expensive than some consoles, and which doesn't appear to offer backwards compatability with some it's own former handheld models' games. It does make me wonder just how qualified Sony's management is on paper vs. their actual performance?
Posted by svd_grasshopper
get the ps3 slim out already. fed up playing my n64 emulator. its said to be august for the states anyway. they need it soon, for MW2 and other big games to get best effect.
Posted by KK-Headcharge78
Just so you know where I am I am going to sit this one out and watch the s**t fly :)
Posted by Mark240473
Doomed.
Posted by Conkers
Didn’t Microsoft post an increase of sales? Though they did publish less of a profit, probably down to lower prices.

I would have thought when Sony eventually launch the slim version sales will pick up, and the PSPgo, though high priced, will probably sell very well too so I wouldn’t think Sony will be feeling the pinch too long.
Posted by Moribundman
Shockingly, I find myself agreeing with svd! The sooner they bring out the PS3 Slim and PSPGo the better for Sony.

Unfortunately the business ***** (I think I'm allowed to use that word now, thanks to David Cameron) will no doubt decide to delay this to hit a more "profitable quarter" or "strategic market" or whatever, and releasing the slim will make everyone drop the original PS3 like it's hot and mean that they retain the same high price point for the new designwhile slightly lowering the original boxes price...

I have long since got rid of my PSP but if they get the bloody thing out of the door I'd certainly be interested in a PSPGo...
Posted by The_KFD_Case
Yes, MS did report increased sales and lower profits due in part to the discount campaigns they've been running. Their yearly results were some 58+ billion - I don't recall if that was in USD or GBP, though I suspect it was in USD.

I don't expect the PSP Go to fly off the shelves given it's current RRP of 230 pounds, at least not in the UK. This is further exacerbated by the recession. I don't think Sony will see the end of its current economic woes any time soon to be frank. That goes for a lot of other businesses too.
Posted by FiltyMonkey
I don't really care for figures. Give me games!!
Posted by jamesherriott
The Sega Mega Drive outsold the Sega Saturn for quite a time I believe.
Posted by Moribundman
:wink: What about the Dreamcast?
Posted by ricflair
Everything outsold the dreamcast.
Posted by ParmaViolet
I still can't get my head around that. As time goes on, the more I appreciate that brilliant little thing....I know it nearly ruined them, but Sega should be damn proud of the Dreamcast.

Hard to believe that it's still infinitely playable. Easily my favourite console of all time.

:)
Posted by mattant79
These debates will go on for years i remember in school us all arguing over which was better the Megadrive or Snes, I always said the Snes lol
Ive owned a PS3 and a 360 and have always been a sony fan, But the truth is i had the PS3 for a month and sold it on, IMO the 360 is better value for money and live is better than the PSN,
Ive still got a PS2 upstairs and my son plays it and loves it,
Thats my opinion and its easy to see why the 360 sells more.
Posted by TaYLoRMaDE
Posted by Strollingchimp

it ain't as bad as microsoft they have a lawsuit against them and of the guy wins the may have to pull the 360 off the shelves. i got it from gamespot

dont talk utter rubbish...you got it from a guy at gamespot lol...hes high up at microsoft then yea lol that guys must bum his ps3 twice a day to come out with that shite.
i hope sony fail....there can be only one!
god of war trailer's nice tho ;P
Posted by adgr19
a little off topic. i sold my megadrive for a snes, but looking back i have fonder memories of my megadrive than that of the snes which i had for longer.
Posted by ParmaViolet
Yeah, I must admit to preferring the Megadrive too. Not sure why.

I guess it was a combination of NHL '94 and Road Rash 2 (with a little Mortal Kombat 2) that clouds my memory....I've no doubt that the SNES was actually better though.

:)
Posted by Conkers
Megadrive rulez, SNES sukez ballz
Posted by WHERESMYMONKEY
regression rocks. **** you console fags. Amiga forever!!!!
Posted by Moribundman
Don't know what it is about Nintendo but I've bought and sold on 4 of their consoles very quickly... Generally for one game I loved and then realised that all the other games were a bit gay/girly/kiddy/Engrishy... (without er... meaning to sound homophobic, sexist, ageist or racist!) Dunno, Mario is just too sickly for me in the long run and none of Nintendos own stuff has any level of subversive humour in it - look at Rare's output vs in-house Nintendo; they can do cute but with a nudge and a wink at the same time.

I guess that's why the Megadrive/PC/PS2/PSP/360 have all quickly usurped the SNES/Gameboy/N64 and DS. That huge great NO MATURE TITLES thing.

Back to the actual topic, Sony's exclusive PS3 games are pretty good this gen, and the online delivery for the Go seems much more sensible than outdated cartridges and UMDs. I'd still never buy a Go until it approached £150 (maybe in CEX?) or a PS3 until a) it's nearer £250 and b) it does something that a 360 categorically can't do.

Drakes, MGS and those other exclusives just aren't as exciting to me as Halo, GoW or Mass Effect and I really don't like Japanese RPGs and hardcore Sony Japan stuff. Personal preference, but maybe Agent might persuade me to get a PS3 slim to sit next to my 360... I doubt it would replace it though.
Posted by smegpot
The amiga was the father.Not long for alien breed re-make!
Posted by Moribundman
Good point. I should assert that the Amiga stood me in good stead between about 1990 and 1994(?) and the PC very quickly took over. It's only really last gen that I paid attention (GTA series for example) and this gen (downloadable games and traditional PC genres available on a platform that doesn't need upgrading every few months to stay solid) when consoles have become my primary platform...
Posted by Velocitar
The answer to Sony's problems is obvious.

They should ask their most devoted fans to buy a second PS3. The most hardened fans won't even have time to blink before they've unquestioningly handed over the money and even the moderate fans will probably buy into it, seeing as they all have good jobs and are willing to work extra hours for the premium gaming experience that the PS3 has always historically offered.

Yup, I can't see any way that that plan could fail... Go Sony!
Posted by English Shmuppet
:lol: I think you might just've found the solution to Sony's dire predicament!

Year of the PS3 my arse!
Posted by flash501
Those are pretty shocking losses for Sony. I know it's to be expected in a recession but still.

I wonder what this'll do to the price of the slim and the go?. Hopefully Sony will realise that, although they are struggling, they really need to give the PS3 a price cut to make it more competitive, although looking at the utter madness that is the psp go and it's price I'll believe it when I see it.
Posted by Moribundman
This presents svd_grasshopper with a dilemma - since he burglarised his original PS3 with his chav mates he'd have to do that again, but he wouldn't have filled Sony's coffers on either occasion...

Maybe he could sell his PS3 and buy a new one with the proceeds? Except he'd have to steal and sell three or four to actually be able to afford a new one from a shop...
Posted by WHERESMYMONKEY
what ever you do don't put your PS3 anywhere near your 360. It'll kill it. (the 360 that is) there's a reason its a lean mean grilling machine. it radiates as much heat as a george forman and considering the 360s problems. Could explain a few peoples RRODing.

The problem with Sony's exclusive lineup this christmas anyway is that their major hitter is Uncharted 2. Its definately going to be a fantastic title, its looks ace and if its anything like the original in terms of gameplay and story its going to be a class act all the way. But its not a system seller. Namely because its the sequel to another exclusive that failed to be said system seller.

Sony will definately have a great christmas in Japan though. FFXIII coming out an all.

I think this side of the pond though we're going to have to wait for GOW3 and GT5 before sales pick up proper. a price cut wouldn't hurt either.

Not sure why people want the ps3 slim, it'll more than likely end up a like all the other slims. a more expensive stripped down version of the original.
Posted by adgr19
Sony's problems are greed, pure and simple.
Posted by adgr19
my grammar is my problem, pure and simple
Posted by StonecoldMC
Its funny how its always the Sales or Revenue articles that garner the mosts posts on this site, I wonder why :wink: .

Ive actually been on a conference call all morning, what have I missed :D ?
Posted by shellster2
Megadrive better than the SNES? Are you mad? Mode 7 just a wee over your Megadrives! :wink:

Back on topic: Not good news for sony. they'll never pull the playstations from the market though. if the sales don't pick up when they release the big hitters late this year and early next year then they'll remain in 3rd place this gen for sure. get the slim out for £199 and i'll buy one.
Posted by Moribundman
Keynesian economics. Do what MS did - deliberately cut your profits despite the harsh times so that you are selling at a competitive price point and more people will buy into your product. Take a few hits in the short term to build a decent customer base. If the product's as good as you say, once they're on board it'll sell itself!
Posted by svd_grasshopper
loser. stop trying to get noticed. i'll be buying a ps3 slim as soon as its out. your stuck with your budget £99 console. a psp-2000 costs more.
Posted by The_KFD_Case
C64! 30 minute tape deck loading times with the added joy of eye bleeding loading colours FTW!
Posted by Moribundman
Numbers give me a woody.
Posted by The_KFD_Case
Class. :lol:
Posted by Moribundman
»

Yeah, and all you have to do there is pick someone's pocket or break a car window, eh?

Ummm... I'm confused, are you actually trying to imply that it's a GOOD thing that a flagging PSP model which has already dug its own grave awaiting its successor costs MORE than a console that runs games as well (or better) than the one you spent upwards of £300 on?

Iz you all about tha bling an dat, or do you actually want a decent console at a decent price?

If I went out to buy a sandwich for lunch today and the bloke in the shop tried to charge me a tenner for it, I'd walk straight out the door and buy a decent sandwich somewhere else for under a fiver.

This is at the heart of your Sony fanaticism isn't it? You went out and stole the most expensive console you could find, and people ain't givvin you da rispeck you reckon you dizzervz, innit?
Posted by pp82
There isn't going to be a PS3 slim
Posted by ricflair
Can we stop baiting SVD before he even comes on here?

The tedious results are exactly the same no matter who starts it!
Posted by Black Mantis
I second this.
Posted by Moribundman
Fair enough, it's always more fun watching him putting his own foot in his mouth than helping him put it there... :oops:
Posted by svd_grasshopper
silly ****, your jumping on the "chav" bandwagon despite not knowing anything about me.

stupid attention seeker.
Posted by adgr19
i know technically the snes was miles better and i had a lot of fun with metroid, starfox and street fighter but looking back i had more fun on the megadrive, especially roadrash, that was frickin sweet.

Sony's problems started with making you buy an expensive blue-ray. this meant they couldn't reduce the price of the ps3 and be competetive. now due to the wii and 360's userbase they've lost nearly all of their exclusives, leaving costomers who want to play the next best game with no option other than to buy a wii or 360. it was a very risky strategy to assume people will want blue-ray especially after betamax and mini-disc
Posted by Moribundman
Sorry Alan.
Posted by svd_grasshopper
give the blu-ray issue a break... its a good thing, not the opposite. HD-DVD is dead, every HD movie pumped out is on sony's blu-ray.

its giving us one-disc games where the 360 will be getting multiple dics, and has enabled the rockstar exclusive agent.

HD has only really started, blu-ray will becoming an increasingly valuable asset.
Posted by Moribundman
And what of streaming downloadable HD? That'll stream content directly to your console.

Provided you don't have, say, a poor Tiscali connection at your parents house.
Posted by analandy
PS3 R.I.P
Posted by adgr19
i agree that if you're a gamer and want a blue-ray player then the ps3 is a strong option but personally speaking i think blue-ray is only bridging a gap between dvd and download. Sony's mistake was not giving you the option. a blue ray player should have been a bolt on until the price of the lasers came down.
Posted by 360_Fan
pay attention class.
What is the common factor that made the ps1, ps2 and psp so popular? You could buy all of them, take them to your local market, get them chipped and never pay for a game again. Suddenly this option is taken away, you loose a huge part of your casual share. Not saying they or MS have done the wrong thing, quite the opposite really, but without pirates driving up the console sales in the past, we would probably be in a very different situation today.
Posted by Moribundman
I think a lot of gamers have bought both and use the PS3 as a Blu Ray player. The format itself has more legs than Mini Discs or Betamax, and ONE DAY it has the potential to make games great and much more detailed. Nothing out there yet though.
Posted by davidc
..i like my ps3...blurays are cool, upscaled dvd's look good and its well built...BUT as a games machine its not as user friendly/cheap/good online as a 360.

i have 20 odd 360 games and 6 ps3 games....all multiplayer games are on 360......thats the ps3's problem.
Posted by svd_grasshopper
people downtalking blu-ray simply can afford it or a 1080p set to enjoy it on.

people saying upscaled DVD's are just as good, havent really seen BR in full HD. and people saying disc swapping is no bother are being dismissive because they have to.

MS are starting to pay the price for including old cheap technology in their console.

3-disc rage, 2-disc forza, no agent, no MGS4. no HD movies.
Posted by The_KFD_Case
Agreed.
Posted by Conkers
Until terrestrial television broadcasts in HD, than HD will not be a standard. Take up rate on it is very slow, so I’m not sure the value of that asset will increase during the PS3’s lifetime. It will only be when your average consumer is buying them that it will be, I don’t see that happening for a long time.
Posted by The_KFD_Case
Incorrect. Weren't you the one who was just complaining about being judged by someone who doesn't know you personally? Aren't you glad neither of us has mentioned hypocrisy?...Oh wait. I just did.
Posted by adgr19
we all need to stop judging people as well, we should embrace anyone who chooses to take up the hobby we love, no matter how many baseball caps they have.

i have a big 1080p telly to play my games on but it's seprate from the living room as my girlfried doesn't want to watch me dying all the time on battlefield 1943.
Posted by Moribundman
Again its all about money... I think I earn as much money as your parents Alan, and I have a nice big TV, and I'm also a huge film fan, but I am playing "wait and see" with films. I'm certainly not off out to buy 500+ films again on Blu Ray that I already own on DVD, and until Agent comes along there's actually a BETTER platform to play 90% of decent PS3 games on (two if you count PCs, which incidentally also come with Blu Ray drives these days).
Posted by svd_grasshopper
who did i single out personally?!

arent you glad your an idiot who opens his trap before thinking?
Posted by WHERESMYMONKEY
the problem with Blu ray is that other than Guys that are really into home cinema no one really gives a toss.

You have two discs in front og you. they have pretty much all the same features except for one of them makes the film look marginally better. oh yeah and costs twice the price.

Now your average guy that justs wants to watch a movie will go for the cheaper option. Blu ray if it does take off is going to take a lot longer than dvd did. As there is no huge leap in feature set. like there was with VHS to DVD. it was an obvious upgrade and Bluray isn't.

On the ps3 front, the same is true, i can get a 360 or a ps3, they both play HD games. thier library's are 85% the same, except for one has better movie playback, and the other has better online functionality.

However one costs twice as much as the other.

See where i'm going with this.
Posted by 360_Fan
I was actually going to back you up there until you started the rant.
Blu ray is an amazing format for movies, and I now buy them over dvd. You should not feel compelled to buy a ps3 to enjoy it however.
Posted by Barca Azul
Take your pick

Recession
High price/Foreign Exchange rates
Price cut rumours
Slim version rumours
Slow Schedule release period. (MGS 4 came out this period last year)
Games industry down by 30%
People spending/Saving for Holidays


Whats the betting though that if there is a decent price cut/or PS3 slim released and the games coming out in the last part of the year, that you wont be able to get a PS3 for love or money in the run up to Christmas!!
Posted by svd_grasshopper
i'd hedge a bet your a tramp. given your shite excuse "i dont want to buy all my DVD's again" noone is asking you to. you just buy all new films on BR, and rebuy a few classics - thats if you ARE a "huge film fan". viewing your dated collection, on your dated player, on your dated non-HD screen.

"wait and see" (if the price comes down) you really mean.
Posted by Moribundman
»

In all fairness to little Alan, he doesn't single anyone out. He's an equal opportunity hater. That's why he doesn't just get into flame wars with xbots, but he also royally pisses off fellow Sony fans in PS3 exclusive forums.

He is the apotheosis of hypocrisy however.
Posted by Barca Azul
Disagree, Digital dowload is a long way off. The UK is lucky to have a lot of competition in ISP's and download speeds available.

Take rural areas, its not a lot different to 10 years ago in the UK still.

I live in spain, 10 miles from the second largest city, and my only internet connection in a town of 11K people is a USB 3G modem with download speeds of 200kbps, not MBps.

The UK is lucky the government is pushing for better speeds too, but not many countries are!
Posted by 360_Fan
»»

I feel a big **** off coming soon.
Holds breath.
Posted by Moribundman
»

Yes Alan. I am a tramp.

I carry 500 DVDs, a 42" TV and an Xbox around in a trolley. Along with a generator.

Perhaps if you had to pay for your stuff instead of threatening to throw a wobbly if your parents won't cough up, you might actually give more of a shit about where the money COMES FROM.
Posted by davidc
this is part of the ps3's problem tho...your average Jo doesn't know or care about bluray, he just wants a good games machine...and while the ps3 is a good one, its nearly double the price of a 360 which seemingly is just as good.
Posted by svd_grasshopper
thing is the 360 costs half the price of your average console. so ps3 is suitably price at double.

the price cut before christmas will help it out if people are just waiting for a bargain.
Posted by Moribundman
»

???

What is this fabled "average console" that costs twice as much as a 360 and half as much as a PS3?

The 360 performs as well as the PS3 and costs half as much as a console that's merely "average"? I'd say that's damn good value for money right there.
Posted by Jensonjet
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Surely dumbass doesn't want the PS3 price to come down!?!? Isn't that one of the 360's problems, that's it's too cheap! God forbid if Grasshopper couldn't afford to keep his Bugatti or Ferrari, or whatever he drives... it would kill him to drive a 'cheap' car. In the world of Grassy everything should be expensive so when we purchase, we feel superior.
Posted by adgr19
chill dudes, at the end of the day we're all fortunate to be 4 months away from mw2, no materr which system we play it on
Posted by Moribundman
Kudos to that. :)
Posted by svd_grasshopper
»»

didnt say the 360 was "average" learn to read, or stop twisting words for your own, attention seeking benefit.

the wii costs more for god sake. simple low rez modified gamecube!!
Posted by adgr19
thanks man, if people really need to vent i have a confession - i brought the prestige version. there i've said it
Posted by WHERESMYMONKEY
As usual SVD your deductions are based on ill formed speculation.

Rage isn't out yet and there's been no Indication of how many discs its going to be on. But i bet the PS3 version will have a beefy compulsary install on it.

Agent is as much a business decision as it is about the space of a disc. We both know the 360 could hack it and the space of a disc has little to do with the size of a playing field available in open world games. Take fallout 3,fable 2, GTAIV huge space, loads to do. all on one DVD.

MGS4 is also an old and laughable argument. As a large portion of the data was installed onto the ps3. because the blu ray drive couldn't hack it.

This is the reason for the installs on the PS3 it has a bluray drive, but said drive is only just fast enough to play games with. Therefore many games need to be installed or use a catching process where data is written to the HDD then dumped after play has finished.

This is the price sony are paying for configuring the systems hardware badly resulting in a machine that is a bugger to program and works more like a PC or media hub than a games console

The 360 on the other hand has no installs unless you want them. just put the disc in and play. which is the point of console gaming.

Also the 360 already has HD movies, and is about to get full 1080p ones for direct download.
Posted by shellster2
2009 is the year of the PS3. Quick, buy one before they're all sold out!

I read an article on ZD net a few weeks back that said in a follow-up poll on blu-ray adoption there were less people intending to buy it than last year and that there were a high percentage of blu-ray owners who had gone back to buying SD DVD's because the upscaling looked good enough to them and the trade off was of course the SD discs are cheaper. I'm not suggesting blu-ray is dead by any means but there doesn't appear to be an excitement about it either.

my particular issue with buying a blu-ray disc at the moment is that i can obviously only play it in a blu-ray player and that would mean the lounge only until they became dirt cheap and we could put them in the other bedrooms and office which isn't going to happen for a while.
Posted by shellster2
It will come on 2 discs (not that i give a sh!t) for sure. see this article from Mr Carmack himself http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/carmack-blu-ray-is-advantageous-for-rage-and-doom-4
Posted by adgr19
maybe we're not ready to have one telly to rule them all
Posted by Moribundman
Blu Ray! NOT the new BetaMax! Woohoo!

(Just the new Laserdisc...)

Seriously, MS probably have a good idea re content delivery but as a previous poster said, not everywhere has a decent internet connection (large parts of mainland Europe, Scotland, huge swathes of the US and svd_grasshoppers house among them), so there'll always be a market for Blu Ray (or at least SOMETHING tangible).

Blu Ray has done much better than Sony's "failed" formats but due to the recession, quality upscaling, people having only updated their film collections from VHS ten years ago and the sheer bloody price of the discs and the machines, they are still very much a niche, albeit one that has been mass marketed through the PS3.
Posted by adgr19
We really don't want MS to be all smug about this. a little competition is a good thing for us
Posted by Moribundman
Sure. And to be perfectly honest, MS should be thinking "there but for the grace of God..." right now. They were very lucky to get away with their sales increase, but reducing their pricing (and some of their profits) proved a shrewd move in any case.
Posted by nottsville
Don't go ripping into Laserdisc young man, or i'll tan your hide....he he
Posted by starsail
To WHERESMYMONKEY

Fallout 3, Fable 2, GTAIV would have more potential and offer a greater range of ideas if developed specifically for Blu Ray but since they're developed for DVD then that's the range which we see.

To suggest the gaming side of Blu Ray would be much the same as DVD is a silly argument since the developers so far have only produced DVD based games. We don't know how well Killzone 2 or Little Big Planet would translate to DVD so its silly speculating and putting the Blu Ray format down with a preconceived conclusion.

When Sony developed PS2 its twilight games included Shadow of Colossus and God of War 2 which still look great and play great by today's standards (surpassing Xbox 1 games even). The complexity of the machine provided rewards for the developers who pushed it further and with Naughty Dog, Team Ico and Guerrilla doing the same for PS3 then well begin to see true next gen games not designed with DVD in mind.

Xbox 360 offers HD content but its HD DVD drive was an epic Betamax fail. The HD content it now offers is rentals only. Not an ideal gift, in place of Blu Ray, with HD content in mind. Take Blade Runner, I got it on release on Blu Ray and the picture PS3 offers on it is stunning. I don't think renting such a classic is comparable to owning it in its the best current format. PS3 offers this, but unfortunately, Xbox offers a lesser deal. Not to mention digital format doesn't share the same appeal as owning the hard copy in its official shiny wrapper.
Posted by adgr19
oh my word that's a load of shit
Posted by davidc
..bluray will take off properly when u can get a decent player for under £100 in Tesco and the discs are the same price as dvd....its not overly accessable to the masses yet.
Posted by Moribundman
YOU sir, have a point. And you didn't even need to cheat the swear filter to make it!! :)

Naturally something like Bladerunner is an exception, and the ultimate edition is fantastic. I would say though that many, many studios, just like game developers are failing to exploit the format to its full potential. MAYBE Agent or somesuch will change this games wise - LBP is a good start, but the lackadaisical release pattern on PS3 means it doesn't exactly overwhelm you with games like the 360 did at the same stage in its development cycle.

I upgraded from a PS2 (AND an old PC) to the 360 when I saw its potential, and when I see a similar step up in standards and capability on the PS3 I may well grab one of those.
Posted by Dewin
"The 360 on the other hand has no installs unless you want them. just put the disc in and play. which is the point of console gaming."

Yeah put the disc in and turn UP the volume as you can't hear the damn sound because it sounds like a helicopter is flying in your living room. But wait.... you can copy the disc on you HD...... just like a big install..... is it sinking in?
Posted by Moribundman
I think the point is you have a CHOICE. And unless you live in a rabbit hutch, you can't hear that fan any more than you hear the disc spinning in a 360 OR a PS3...
Posted by nottsville
I'd take yours back....it sounds broken.
Posted by svd_grasshopper
except ps3 installs are a fraction of the BR data. and with or without installs the games running nice and quiet.

rockstar said they were maxed out on DVD and had to employ all sorts of tricks "sort it out microsoft, our games arent going to get any smaller" they said. then agent was announced, on ps3 only.

you cant get the amount of space they are using in this game across in a single DVD, being a sandbox it needs to be one disc.

ps3's GTA IV was impeded by the limitations of the 360 as it was a cross platform game, developed side by side - the pc version spans 16GB.
Posted by Dewin
"..bluray will take off properly when u can get a decent player for under £100 in Tesco and the discs are the same price as dvd....its not overly accessable to the masses yet."

Bluray will take off when the movie industry and Sony deside to phase out DVD. Simple as that. You can scream DVD is good enough for you, but when they deside that DVD has to go.... it will go. They will just stop making DVD's for new movies. It won't happen soon, but it will happen.
Posted by Moribundman
It's like the RROD - everyone claims they "used to have" a 360 or "used a mates" and it did that.

Amazing then that there are so many happy Xbox gamers and nobody who actually has a 360 seems to mind... Maybe we all do become hateful and disillusioned with the thing when it inevitably ****s up but neither the fan nor the dreaded RROD have hit me in 3 years of 360 ownership.

And wasn't this thread about PS3s not selling well while Microsofts sales are going up?
Posted by Dewin
Not talking about the fan. I'm talking about the 360 DVD player. Mine is loud. Hell, all my friends 360's are loud in that department. I'd rather have an install on HD and a disc running quietly than no HD install and a lot of noice.
Posted by Moribundman
Maybe, maybe not.

It's certainly grown in acceptance, mainly due to the PS3s mass marketing of it. Plus I'd personally rather OWN my films rather than having to stream/download them.

But look at the music industry - net speeds in the last 10 years have meant an online revolution for music, and live or recorded TV can now be streamed in SD quality. It's not out of the question that in another 10 years, we're all getting High Def films and TV through a video version of Spotify...

Blu Ray seems the logical next best step, and it defeated HD DVD, but it really would need to be as affordable as DVD is now before Joe Public gets his wallet out.

A PS3 is not a £40 Tesco own brand DVD player... And £20 a movie is not the best price point in the world.
Posted by VirtualCrack
Grasshopper why did you get rid of your PS3 because right now you have no Agent, no MGS4 (and probably), no HD movies?
Posted by svd_grasshopper
aye, its the fan. you can sit on the dashboard nice and quiet. the moment you load up a game you get deafened.

i installed PGR4 to the HDD because of this - and the game suddenly developed sound problems. crackling so bad id rather have the DVD blasting out at me.
Posted by svd_grasshopper
aye, its the fan. you can sit on the dashboard nice and quiet. the moment you load up a game you get deafened.

i installed PGR4 to the HDD because of this - and the game suddenly developed sound problems. crackling so bad id rather have the DVD blasting out at me.
Posted by pishers
really, is that a fact? if those games offered more content they would have cost more to make and taken longer, in theory if disc capacities reach 1tb then games will never be released but the potential will be huge! is it fair for PC owners to argue that the ps3 means games dont meet their full potential because they are limited to fit a blu-ray rather than a 500gb or more hard drive?

i cant see more capacity offering anymore than higher resolution textures and maybe higher quality sound as the time to create extra levels, etc might not be worth it.
Posted by svd_grasshopper
aye, its the fan. you can sit on the dashboard nice and quiet. the moment you load up a game you get deafened.

i installed PGR4 to the HDD because of this - and the game suddenly developed sound problems. crackling so bad id rather have the DVD blasting out at me.
Posted by WHERESMYMONKEY
deep breath, we sitting comfortably then i'll begin.

first i'll begin by saying that i don't see how Bluray would of given devs of fallout 3, fable 2 and gtaIV more ideas. the fact of the matter being that currently all three can be added to ad infinitum via downloadable updates. No need for bluray there.

i'm not sure what you think the difference between Blu ray and a DVD is. but i'll enlighten you. In gaming terms its mere storage space. While in lamens terms it means more space for more stuff.
However thats it there is nothing to say that another ofrm of sdistribution would change everything. in terms of rendering and the like the ps3 and 360 don't have much in it once the foibles of both machines are overcome. you can have all the data in the world on a disc. if a machine can't adequetely process it its wasted.

This is the problem of the bluray drive on the PS3 its too bloody slow to do its job properly, Its why the machines so quiet. after the install the blu rays jobs pretty much all done.

I'm not sure whether we were playing the same machine but xbox's last games HAlf LIfe 2, Doom 3, dreamfall. Kicked the crap out of the twighlight games of the PS2.

the HD DVD drives failure had nothing to do with the 360 itself as Blurays winning the format war was due to the studios pledging support to it rather than HD DVD. the PS3/360 had little to do with it.

Although i will Conceed that people do like to have a solid copy infront of them. Digital downloads do provide a much better solution in terms of storage and sheer ease of obtaining and playing the content make it a more than worthy alternative to bluray. The fact that it offers no clear benefit to upscaling DVDs on TVs under 40" also hinders its adoption.

They did do a great job with the blu ray conversion. but i think i'd prefer to keep the US ultimate ed i got from the states. It has every single cut of the film, rather than the mere definitive cut we got over here. But thats more about how the UK gets a raw deal with DVDs/Blu ray features than anything else.
Posted by SunScramble
Maybe you missed the press release. You can now install Xbox360 games on the HD, which prevents the drive from spinning completely during the game. (except for 10 seconds or so at startup.)
Posted by svd_grasshopper
luckily most people serious about HD have big 50" screens like me, or even bigger.

no point having the technology and not putting it to proper use.
Posted by Moribundman
Say again?

Personally I'm suprised you could stand to be in the same room as a 360 for long enough to install it...

I have to say I've not heard anyone else moan about sound problems.It's almost like you made somthing up to fit your argument.

Not that you'd ever do that. Apologies, I takt that back.
Posted by nottsville
So far....correct!
Posted by svd_grasshopper
"made it up". what planet are you on?!


every 360 owner will tell you the drive noise is horrendous!

its older technology, so it has to spin hard to keep up with todays standards.

fast pc drives sound the same. any fast DVD drive does.
Posted by Moribundman
:lol: About time MS or Sony put out another smug statment about each others quarter, then the other lot put out a petulant response... Those forums are always funny. :wink:
Posted by WHERESMYMONKEY
I've never had any difficulties with the sound after installing a game to the 360.

On the subject of sound hooked my mates 360 up to his new surround sound rig last night. Its amazing how much little bits of dialogue and just layers of cool stuff it added to the whole experience.

so SVD how is your PS£ doing, or are you just wasting your 50"PHONY TV.
Posted by Giant_Crab
What the hell kind of hyper-rich future reality are you living in? "Most People"? Most people I know (admittedly most people I know are in their twenties or thirties) don't have walls big enough for a 50" telly!
Posted by The_KFD_Case
»

Every man, woman and child whom doesn't jump on the Blu-Ray or the 1080p TV set bandwagon because, according to you, they are too poor. This is false as previously stated. All I need is one case of a person who can afford it but chooses to forego one or the other or both. I fit that criteria; I choose not to invest in a Blu-Ray setup and not because I can't afford it either - I'm not alone in that regard.

Speaking of idiocy, either you are so obtuse that you don't realize you are fully guilty of the very thing you complained about earlier, thus making you dim witted. Or you are fully aware of it and trying to weasel your way out of yet another poorly forumulated argument by feigning ignorance and then trying to go on the offensive with verbal attacks. That just makes you a hypocritical and disingenuous cretin. So have your pick, Svd: Dimwitted or a cretin? Either way you lose.
Posted by nottsville
You really do sound like an elitist pile of toss at times!
Posted by pishers
most people with massive screens that have seen put them in rooms where they sit too close to the screen so negate the advantages of HD. too close and you get pixelation

at 720p with a 50" tv you should be at least 10 feet away from the screen and with 1080p at least 6.5 (thats pretty reasonable i think but i wonder how many people can do that in their living rooms.

at standard def with a 50" tv you should be 13 feet away from it!

if the tv gets bigger the further away you should be so biggest isnt always best, it also depends on your circumstances, money doesnt make you more serious on a subject.
Posted by Moribundman
Are you saying you're a 360 owner now then? Coming out of the M$ closet?

Otherwise I call that making something up to fit your argument.

And I mentioned the random sounding "crackling game noise problem" which added insult to your injury, not the fan...

Must have really pissed you off not to be able to wank over engine noises while speeding down Pall Mall...

Correct, high speed drives, including the 360s make some noise. Correct, installing the game gets rid of this. Problem solved? Well yes. Unless a convenient crackly sound issue crops up...
Posted by Moribundman
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Oooh! Oooh! Can I vote for both?! :lol:
Posted by svd_grasshopper
you can get big screens like that for under a grand now. spending anything less for a tv and your income probably still comes from a paper round. a tv is an investment - buy cheap and you'll pay the price. i know that from first hand experience.

and the PGR crackling after HDD install was fixed with a patch. its documented.
Posted by The_KFD_Case
»

More hypocrisy I see. You object to being called a chav, yet you have no problem calling someone else a tramp. Lovely. :roll:
Posted by WHERESMYMONKEY
i too would like to Vote for both.
Posted by Giant_Crab
I work for the NHS you patronising ****, I'd just rather save money than blow it on a giant technological wank that'll only impress people's mid-life dads.
Posted by ricflair
You still live at home you stupid ****.
Posted by Moribundman
Which is where you heard about it for your little fairy tale...

Knew you'd never used a 360.

Christ I bet you can't wait for that motion control wand to come out so you can suck it like your own personal Sony cock...
Posted by Moribundman
Leave it Giant_Crab, he's not worth it... :wink:

Little shit still lives with mummy and daddy (or more likely one or other of them). Little Jeremy Kyle penoid...
Posted by The_KFD_Case
That's true in some countries, however the rural areas are also sparsely populated compared to the hundreds of thousands, even millions, of people that reside in urban and city areas. That's a high concentration of the market that can be covered within a few service radius areas.
Posted by adgr19
we need to make this a 6+ pager so all the fence sitters who posted first saying 'i predict 5 pages blah blah blah' can eat their words.
Posted by The_KFD_Case
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:lol:
Posted by Giant_Crab
»

Cheers for the heads up mate. Think I'll just sit back and watch the fireworks from this point ;)
Posted by milky_joe
Screw being an accountant, I'm going to become a paperboy, that's where the real money obviously is.

The sad thing is, I fear you actually believe the nonsense you post...
Posted by bunneyo
der check out how many xbox fanboys are up in this bitch! sad***** get a social life!
peace!
Posted by nottsville
Get a dictionary and then we'll talk.
Posted by adgr19
i got as far as accountant and fell asleep..sorry
Posted by svd_grasshopper
i work for the NHS as well... its good pay, £60 to pay up a good screen every month is nothing.

the tv, or rather the games on the tv impress me. why not?!

i know tons of miserable ****s who'd rather stuff the cash up their ass instead of having a few luxuries.
Posted by nottsville
So you haven't even finished paying for it yet?

Tramp!
Posted by svd_grasshopper
im paying two tv's up at once. i had a shitty LG for 1 or 2 months and it went tits up. replaced it with a 50" viera. no comparison.

a tramp, like you, wouldnt have secured the 2k loan to buy it in the first place. or finance, whatever, same thing. you only branch out into what you can afford. too afraid the debt collectors will come round and repo your purchase.
Posted by The_KFD_Case
To be fair, I think I read in a CVG article about "Rage" where it mentions the game will come on two discs. Still, the proof is in the pudding I suppose.
Posted by Moribundman
Not really on here to bash Sony, just to seriously discuss stuff and bathe in Grasshopper's hatred... Still, good to see there are some mature Playstation fans out there who are up for a bit of banter...
Posted by Moribundman
What are you, a test subject?
Posted by Moribundman
Hahaha. I missed that - you got it on HP.

You do know there's a DIFFERENCE between being able to AFFORD something and being eligable for CREDIT don't you?

When I left Uni they were tripping over each other to throw credit cards and loans at me, but now I'm a little older and a little wiser, and I spend what I've got.
Posted by nottsville
I wouldn't need to secure the loan, i make enough money in a weekend that i can go out and get my Brand new, 50" 1080p Sammy outright in cash.

Stick that in your Subaru tailpipe and smoke it!
Posted by svd_grasshopper
good for you - go out and get a decent tv then!
Posted by Moribundman
You'd think with all your "never never" money, you might be able to afford this: http://www.excelr8learning.co.uk/index.php/excelr8-tuition-maths-english-teach-child/literacy-spelling-english-tuition
Posted by flash501
I see everyone is ignoring the proper news stories and falling for grasshoppers little trap as usual. Seriously, how can this thread get 6 or 7 pages and the ones about Uncharted and ODST only get a handful of posts?.
Posted by svd_grasshopper
who was talking to you? i ingore your three-in-a-row, consecutive posts so you swoop in and reply to a post not aimed at you... dumb attention seeker.
Posted by Moribundman
»

I believe its a free country and I'm allowed to reply to whatever the **** I want, Mr Learning Difficulties.

You're dishing the same shit out to everyone on this forum, so I reasoned we were pretty interchangable to you.

I really am flattered by the attention though. Kissy kissy.

And I think rather than ignoring me, you were just off trolling the Microsoft "Software not hardware" thread where you thought there'd be a healthy bit of attention directed at your psychotic babbling.
Posted by WHERESMYMONKEY
good to see that the sex workers of this fair isle also inhabit our lil gaming website ay nottsville.

just kidding.

SVD making spurious claims against the NHS of malpractice and sueing peole everytime you fall over doesn't mean you work for the NHS.
Posted by svd_grasshopper
i was treating you the other day for genital warts.
Posted by Moribundman
:lol: LOL

Amazing - someone mentions drive noise on a 360 and SVG (real name Alan) has a little story about his own personal experiences with his very own 360. That he has.

Someone mentions they work for the NHS to make a point against him and SVG is able to retort that (co-inky-dink) HE works for the NHS too!

He seemingly has so much in common with the people he rants at, that you wouldn't think he'd have so many issues.
Posted by Moribundman
Surely there are more pleasant ways for you to give yourself genital warts "Severe Venerial Disease"?
Posted by WHERESMYMONKEY
I remember it clearly, i was surprised to find out that you had to suck on them though. doc SVD.
Posted by svd_grasshopper
you can look up a eurogamer profile, good for you. do you think your sort sort of genius mentioning that at least 3 times already? maybe you thought i missed it? ignoring your idiotic attention seeking attempts more like!

... and get my quote out your sig, ****ing stalker.
Posted by Moribundman
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All I can really say to that is if you dont like it do one elsewhere. Stop getting up in arms as someone doesnt agree with you.

http://i27.tinypic.com/igyk2w.jpg
Posted by svd_grasshopper
i never click on links to stupid jpgs.

wasting your time there bud...

and you made that "Severe Venerial Disease" gag just 24 hours ago... noone thought it was clever then. why did you recycle it?!

:?
Posted by nottsville
I....erm....don't know what you mean....i....ahem.

Moving swiftly on. I've actually forgot what the subject of this thread actually is.

Ah....Sony loosing money.
Posted by Moribundman
Oh that? Seemed more apt to re-use it in this thread.

And I think its a bit more original than typing "**** YOU" and "U BUNCH OF FAGS" or "M$ SUCK BALLS" in pretty much every thread I write...

Well feel free not to click those links, but everyone else can, and they'll be laughing at you. And you won't know why.

Not that you ever do...
Posted by pp82
svd_grasshopper
What a complete elitist homophobic racist c**t
Posted by svd_grasshopper
oh god, people i dont know are laughing at someone they dont know.

help ma boab.
Posted by Moribundman
I'm sorry oor wullie, your boab is beyond help, quite frankly.
Posted by svd_grasshopper
pp82 (times you've "pee-pee'd" your pants)...

your inventing stuff there.

trying to cast shame on thou... how dare you!
Posted by pp82
I know am sick of changing my pants
Posted by Moribundman
Don't worry, SVD changes people's pants for them in his "NHS job".

Jings!
Posted by blueblade
Funny how you call everyone an attention seeker SVD, yet there isn't a bigger one on these forums than yourself. If this was a half decent website, and was moderated better, you would have been booted ages ago. Try talking some of this shit on your newly created Eurogamer account, you will get laughed out of the place. Funny how you actually seemed like a human being when I read your posts on there, yet on this trash site you act like a lobotomised chimp. So in short, I know your not as retarded as you make yourself look, so why don't you cut the shit.
Posted by lonewolf2002
Well no surprise considering the current economic climate, and no surprise to have 7 pages of shite attached either.
Posted by shadowsblaze
My guess is that he's over-compensating for something. After all, the women I work with have a saying - the bigger the T.V., the smaller the... ahem...'equipment'.
Posted by kingwiiboy101
OH DEAR OH DEAR OH DEAR .......

DIDN'T A POSTER BY THE NAME OF WIIBOY101 ALREADY TELL YOU THIS DIDN'T WIIBOY THE WONDERFUL PREDICT THIS AND WORN YOU THAT THE PS CONCEPT IS DEAD OUT DATED....(XTARDS THIS GOES FOR YOU ALSO UR NOT OUT THE SHIT UR SELFS)....

THE IDEA OF A BOX AND A NON EVOLVING EXPERIENCE AND LIMITED CONTROL IS DEAD AND BURRIED AND SONY FANS UR GUILTY OF HOLDING ONTO THE PAST AT THE EXPENCE OF THE FUTURE YOUR DINOSURES UR NEARING EXTINCTION

CRAP CONTROLLERS/LONG LOADTIMES/HIGH PRICES/NON WANTED BLURAY/LIES/HYPE/NO INNOVATION/AND THIS OBSESION WITH COMPETING WITH PC MEDIA CENTRES AND MICROSOFT SIMPLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH

"""""""""""""""""""GAMING""""""""""""""""""""""""""

NINTENDO ARE EVOLVING THE CONCEPT OF GAMING AS THEY ALWAYS HAVE

NINTENDO ARE EVOLING THE INTERFACE AND CONTROL

ITS THE REST OF THE INDUSTRY AND THOSE BLINDLY FOLLOWING THAT ARE """""WRONG"""""


DS/DSi Wii/Wii+ soon maybe

sony are losing money big time psp go will flop its high price is an attempt to claw back money it will fail


theres one future for sony in gaming ITS SOFTWARE ONLY
Posted by ParmaViolet
Well, I bet no-one expected that....I guess the schools are on holiday, aren't they?

:shock:
Posted by kingwiiboy101
LETS GET THE HOUSE IN ORDER LETS CUT THOSE BILLS TURN OFF LIGHTS IN ROOMS NOT IN USE...ENERGY LIGHT BULBS DOULE GLASSING NEW WATER HEATER

LETS SPEND WHAT WE CAN AFFORD...

GET THE BASICS RIGHT....LIKE NINTENDO DO

SONY ARE FOOKED YOU KNOW IT FAN CHILDREN BUT WONT ADMIT IT THERE DOOMED THERES ONLY ONE HOPE LEFT FOR SONY IN GAMING AND ITS THE VERY THING YOU BRAINLESS MORONS TRIED TO LABEL NINTENDO WITH ITS

SOFTWARE ONLY 3RD PARTY DEV-ING AND PUBLISHING ITS UR ONLY HOPE PUT UR HANDS UP AND BE HONEST SONY ARE NEAR FOOKED....

PLAYSTATION DIVISION IS DEAD ITS MERGED WITH ANOTHER DIVISION AND NO LONGER HAS GAMING IN ITS TITLE ITS A SIGN GUYS A SIGN OF THINGS TO COME

I.E NO MORE PLAYSTATION CRAPP

IF SONY TURN PUBLISHER DEVELOPER AND FOCUS ON NINTENDO PLATFORMS AND PCS AND MOBILES THELL PROFIT AGAIN

OR EVEN GO CAP IN HAND AND BEG NINTENDO FOR A PLAYSTATION 4 WII 2 HYBRED MAYBE NINTENDOS CHARITABLE SIDE WILL SHOW

SONY FANS I WIIBOY101 FORMALLY CUBEBOY 101 WROTE MANY A POST IN MANY A GAMING WEB SITE STATING THIS VERY THING WOULD HAPPEN I DID THIS 2 YEARS BEFORE WII RELEASED AND ADVISED GAMERS TO PUT SOME MONEY INTO NINTENDO

I WAS GIGGLED AT (FOR WHAT) BEING SMARTER THAN YOU

FOOLS HE WHO LAFFS LAST LAFFS LOUDEST

PS3 DIEING LOSING MONEY

PSP GO WIL FLOP

PSP DEAD IN THE WATER

SONY HD TVS FLAGGING BEHIND COMPETITION

PLEASE STOP EMBARRASSING UR SELFS ITS ERM EMBARRASSING


1 MILLION FOR A QORT GLOBALLY IS LESS THAN DREAMCAST SALES AND AT A HUGE LOSS PER CONSOLE


PS3 PLUS M,OTION AND CAM WILL STILL BE EXPENCIVE AND WEAKER THAN WII MOTION AND WM+

PSPGO WILL HAVE NO INPACT ON DSi

put ur hand up admit ur wrong admit sony are wrong admit dualshock is old


and embraces ur wii hd future with great core motion and fps controls and lots of innovation and market expanding gaming ideas


because thats the future of gaming i cubeboy/wiiboy101 havnt been wrong yet

its comming sony is doomed
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Posted by The_KFD_Case
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Posted by Dave_25
Oh dear

Sony have missed the boat on too many things. It is also starting to emerge that the yellow light of death is a bit more widespread than first thought. A friend at work had his PS3 for a year and it died, he called Sony and they stuck their fingers up at him and told him to do one, £160 to replace it or tough titty! He fixed it himself by taking it apart and using a paintstripper to refloat the microchips to the motherboard (we work in IT by the way so don't try it at home).

Say what you like about MS but they held their hands up with the ROOD which is more than can be said for Sony. If my PS3 died and they said £160 or tough, I'd take them to court as legally any electronic goods sold in the UK for over £100 are expected to last more than 3 years, so Sony wouldn't have a leg to stand on if they refused to replace it free of charge.

Something to keep in mind boys and girls if your PS3 dies, it falls under the electronic goods protection law.
Posted by bunneyo
kingwii you should try suicide! its supposed to be real fun mate!
Posted by The_KFD_Case
It's certainly one likely scenario, yet MS threatened to do the exact same thing with XP vs. Vista and we now know how that played out. It took a whole new OS to get MS in a position to get past that debacle. The companies need the public to go along with it and if the public, rightly or wrongly, refuses to do so then both sides lose out. The difference being that the public continues with life while the companies go bankrupt and close their doors. That's ultimate leverage power right there. The saving grace for companies (and governments for that matter,) is that the public is usually fairly docile and not easily organized, however once stirred there are very few things that can stop that human flood.
Posted by voodoo341
I'll not be asking you for Saturdays Lottery numbers then. :wink: 8 and climbing.
Posted by horngreen
LOL the PS3 was selling for shit BEFORE the recession hit. Just keep telling yourself it will improve for Sony if that's what helps you sleep at night. Oh by the way the chick in the EVONY ad on the right of this page is a DUDE I'm certain.
Posted by lordirongut
Sony's problems are reputation and maketing. A reputation for not having enough good exclusive games on the system when in fact this is not true. Many people that you ask on the street do not know that the PS3 has free online, comes with BD playback etc... they just look at the initial price and think, oh! that's expensive!.

These are two huge flaws in Sony's strategy, they need to do some willy-waving to the public about what the system offers. Average Joe won't browse the internet for three days to compare system RAM or graphics cards, they will go into the shop and buy the cheapest or the one that they have been recommended through word of mouth, which is why so many have bought a Wii, Dave from the pub buys one, likes it, Dave's mates all buy one, they like it, tell their families etc. It's a domino effect. If Sony advertised their free online, BD playback, huge library of games, PSP connectivity a bit more, I am sure that sales would go up. If more were in people's houses, then they would all tell people (the domino effect again). I honestly think that Sony will overtake MS in the next two years if they get their strategy sorted.

Also, to the people saying that Blu-ray is a slower uptake than DVD, not true. Blu-ray is growinh twice as fast as DVD was at this point in it's life cycle.
Posted by sas0875
They have lost the hardcore gaming market. They are still way behind with the online and social experience and as for Bluray?? Who really cares? Yeah its good quality but it isnt the jump in tech that VHS to DVD was. I know so many people that have PS3's and never use it for games....Currys and Comet give it away to punt shite Sony TV's...

As for you SVD....tell us about Agent? I havent heard you mention that before!!

As for MW2, WHO in their right mind would buy playstation 3 for this??? If ever there was a game best played on Xbox, then this is it!
Posted by only_777
Sony posted a loss in its playstation business?
Same as when the PS1 and PS2 were in their same points in their life cycles then.

If people look back to the PS1's life cycle or the PS2's then they will see that with each Sony posted losses on both for a couple of years. The sales pick up a lot around the time they release a Gran Turismo game.

I think before people start spelling the end for Sony I think they should look to the past to see that this is just business as normal.
Posted by Moribundman
His little world would collapse and he'd be down the park drinking his Bucky if R* did an LA Noir with Agent... ;-)
Posted by nigel666
F**k! man that took a while to get to the bottom. And I only read about 3.
Posted by ei8hty5ive
Why is this article headlining?! Sure sony sales were down Q1 but it's no surprise, we're in a global recession!! I admit Sony has made some huge errors regarding the marketing and pricing of the PS3 but their decline in sales was only 37.4%, Nintendo's are down 60% Q1!!! So why are people jumping all over this article?!?! Sure Nintendo are still making a profit but that's because they have managed to sell loads of repackaged Gamecubes with fancy controllers (That cost half the price of the console, £150ish, per extra controller, £72 ish with Motion plus) to an untapped market of none gamers (i.e. Grannies, women and young children)....

P.S. 8 pages! Phew! Doesn't really count when 80% were written by Grasshopper and Monkey...
Posted by Paradaz - UK
Two points for the fanboys in here, particularly grasshopper.

1)
Having to constantly refer to the PS3's BR capability and film playback just exposes you as a non-gamer and the shows up the lack of good games on the PS3. If the PS3 had a good games library you wouldn't need to go down this beaten track. In case you hadn't noticed, this is a gaming website and large majority of us like playing games....if you want a marathon wank-a-thon regarding BR films I'm sure there are lots of websites out there to spluff your beans on.

2)
Why would you want a 50" HDTV for console games in the first place? 99% of PS3 games aren't anywhere near that resolution (nor are 360's) because neither console has the horsepower to push the games at decent frames per second at 1920 x 1080.....so upscaling (whether that is automatic or not) on a 50" at true HD just means that you have a bigger pixellated mess than everyone else who plays on a 32" or 42" screen.

/epic fail
Posted by Last Ninja
why dont they just bring shenmue 3 to ps3 then sales will go up 1000% i could see them shifting 100 million units a week if that happened along with a new last ninja game
Posted by Black Mantis
:lol:
You are joking right?!
Posted by Jensonjet
I do click on stupid JPEG links and some make me cry with laughter! Oh and that gag made me laugh too! I'm starting to look forward more and more to Sony/Playstation bad news for the resulting forum fun at Alan G R Asshopper's expense!
Posted by Velocitar
He's not joking. If those games came to the PS3, then _I_ would rush out buy a second PS3, so I didn't ever have to eject the discs they came on.
Posted by The_KFD_Case
Right. Because you are SUCH an authority on these matters. The Russian ruble has a better reputation than your word around these parts. :roll:
Posted by The_KFD_Case
You first. What's that? You insist I go first? Very well; pearls before swine after all. :wink:
Posted by The_KFD_Case
So let me get this straight, are you *really* equating overall wealth with the loan you got? Sure, the more you make the more you are theoretically able to borrow, but then again if you were *truly* well off you wouldn't need to borrow and could buy the TV outright. Since the loan for a TV isn't tax deductible the way the interest rate on a mortgage loan is, you would end up paying less if you could buy it outright since you avoid the loan interest rate altogether (whereas with property the tax deductible makes it more appealing to take a loan even if you could buy the property outright since it allows you to save your capital for other ventures while still gaining access to the property). This does require cash reserves and/or substantially more purchasing power up front however in regards to the TV.

All that said, I see no shame in borrowing money to buy a TV as long as it's not done at the cost of whatever financial responsibilities a person may have; personally I waited, shopped around and bought my 42" LG LCD TV outright at a favourable price. Are there bette TVs? You bet, but I got a good one and I'm disinclined to spend 2,000+ euros on a TV screen when I can get very good results for a fraction of that price even if the quality isn't as high. The difference between your perspective and mine on this matter being that I don't feel the need to belittle those whom, for whatever reasons, have decided to go about their TV purchases, or lack thereof, in a different manner than I have. Welcome to a world where we don't all have to be carbon copies of each other.
Posted by The_KFD_Case
L-O-L :lol:
Posted by oscar
gay
Posted by The_KFD_Case
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Posted by The_KFD_Case
Yet the interest in Blu-Ray is lower this year than last year in the world's largest market (the US) and sales are not exactly flourishing over there for BR. That is not good news for the BR camp as the momentum is going the wrong way. BR needs to clearly communicate just what sort of "Bang!" it offers over a DVD, how much of that "Bang!" and edge closer to the cost of a DVD. Oh, and getting past the recession probably won't hurt either.
Posted by The_KFD_Case
Hardly. A recession of this severity hasn't been seen since the Great Depression. This is not "business as usual" in case you hadn't noticed.
Posted by The_KFD_Case
Incorrect. Sony's sales are down 37.4% and are losing more money than ever. Nintendo's *profits* are down 60% yet Nintendo is still making a profit. That's a stark contrast.
Posted by julioaragon
love to here that the former king of consoles is almost dead..they have to pull a miracle out of there pockets real soon or else theyll start losing the third party companies..
Posted by stonecold77
Make that 8 pages of pure shite.....
Posted by voad
I don't quite get this argument. And this isn't the first I've heard it either. You say that if you buy a wii that after you buy x amount of controllers that it would equal the cost of a PS3? But then I would have more controllers for my Wii than PS3. How is that a fair comparison? Not only that but I can go out and purchase games that come with a controller or M+. So I am getting games in addition to these add ons and controllers. While the PS3 come with one six axis controller with inferior motion tech. And if you were to buy additional controllers none of them come with a game. Not only that but additional things like controllers, M+, etc are all optional and their purchase is up to the consumer to make and pay for individually. Not forced into buying from the get go even though they may or may not care for some of these extras.

And then, once Sony release their motion tech controls people will ave to go out and purchase these separately on top of an eye toy in order for them to work at all. So which is more expensive?
Posted by StonecoldMC
People, what happened?

I actually think that if you were to read all the comments in this article (I couldnt) then you would regress to some sort of Neanderthal Man (mos def slip down the gene pool anyway).

Its a fecking Games Console people! I wonder if in a parallel universe there is a website that get 10 pages of comments on how Kenwood food processors are sooo much better than Russel Hobbs food processors.

Last day of the month today, so hopefully I dont miss too much on here (ill be working my ass off :cry: )!
Posted by voodoo341
KENWOOD ALL THE WAY!!!
Posted by Moribundman
He doesn't have one he's just trying to tell people how "rich" he is with hire purchases. A bit sad really.
Posted by Black Mantis
I'm mainly talking about Shenmue (one of my all time favourites), but it is not a system seller. Sega won't even release Yakuza 3 in the West now, so the chances of a Shenmue 3 being made are pretty much zero. Fact is, it's a cult classic that will never sell to the mainstream and a sequel would be lucky to sell a million copies.
Posted by ParmaViolet
»

Unfortunately true.

Shenmue was an instant classic that has aged very well, but it just didn't sell in the numbers it needed to. Sure, most of us most likely played it - but, we're the guys that post on gaming forums and read up on games....so we generally know which titles to pick up.

The general public obviously just didn't take to it and I can't see that being any different with a Shenmue 3. It's a shame, but it's the likely reason that Sega won't make it...it's a lot of money and work for very little reward (especially when you consider that a half-hearted Sonic title would outsell it, in all likelihood).

I was surprised to read that Yakuza 3 wouldn't be getting released in the West - the game's already made, would just need a little extra work to get it ready and I genuinely think the PS3 owners would like to be able to play it....well, if the forums are anything to go by.

Demons Soul is getting a release over here though, isn't it? (I must admit, that looks brilliant)

:)
Posted by Black Mantis
I was surprised about Yakuza 3 as well and disappointed as I was looking forward to it. But if Yakuza 2 only managed to shift 40,000 copies, I can see why Sega have come to this decision. Maybe they'll wait a couple of years like they did for Yakuza 2!

I haven't seen much of Demon Souls, but I've heard good things from people on forums, so it could be one to get.
Posted by ParmaViolet
Yeah, Demon Souls looks amazing - exactly the type of game I like....if I had a PS3, I'd have imported it by now.

I didn't realise that Yakuza 2 sold so poorly - I guess it makes sense when you put it like that. It just genuinely seemed as if Sega had a bit of a gem there, so you'd hope that they'd want people to get a chance to play it....it's not as if their reputation for great games is as good as it was, is it?

:)
Posted by WHERESMYMONKEY
The reason they're not going to release Yakuza 3 outside of Japan is the same reason we won't see Shen mue 3. Sales. The first 2 sold less than a million copies combined. doesn't take a genius to realise it probably wont be worth it.

Demon Souls does look really cool. especially like the whole ghost aspect. Even if it doesn't get a PAL release its getting one soon in the US so you could always import it.

One of the best kept secrets about the PS3. Its region free.
Posted by Black Mantis
Regarding Yakuza 3: I just read on Kotaku that Sega Japan haven't confirmed whether it'll be released over here. It was a Sega America exec giving his personal opinion, so there could still be hope...
Posted by ParmaViolet
Yeah, being region free is a huge bonus...but, it won't help those that can't speak Japanese and want to play Yakuza 3 - I understand it's fairly dialogue heavy (I could be wrong).

I've heard that it's not such an issue with Demon Souls - the Japanese version has English subtitles.

:)
Posted by Last Ninja
some of yous must be working for Lan Di trying to stop us from finishing our quest, shenmue 3 will happen i laugh at the fools who say otherwise how could it have only sold a million i myself have 50 million copies of the greatest game the world has ever seen....EVER.....
Posted by chainsawgerbil
im not sure about that, i heard the asian 1 has them but not the japanese version
not 100% about that, its also supposed to be 1 of the hardest most hairpulling rpg in existence
Posted by bunneyo
So KFD got the award for most posts belittiling the ps3, ye KFD your not a 360 fanboy at all, I believe you pal! lol ****! 8)
Posted by The_KFD_Case
I am reminded of a bumper sticker I once saw on a university dorm room door. It read, "Stupidity should be painful". I think that applies here to you and SDF fanboys.

Whether you believe me or not is irrelevant. You see, fact is not reliant upon an individual believing it. I realize that may be a revolutionary concept for someone of your intellect. :lol:
Posted by bunneyo
Yeah your a full blown ****!
Good to see though that you didn't deny the 360 fanboyism labelled upon yourself for once! At least we're finally making waves! 8)

My irrelevance on belief? for what exactly? I know that your a fanboy! it oozes from your fingertips every time you comment upon this website, just like the way you try to propagate your interlect against audiances and people who cant stand enduring and act on your constant ********! if you want to preach your brilliance, become a politician, that is if you have not been one already, seeming as you claim to have to done everything!

anyway, good chat KFD, same as always!
Peace! :D
Posted by ParmaViolet
»

Actually, I think you're bang on and my post was wrong - it isn't the Japanese version with the English subtitles (it's the one you can get at Playasia).

It's definitely supposed to be hard and they pretty much guarantee that you'll die over and over again - but, I do quite like that sort of thing sometimes....plus, every review has said that this doesn't actually put you off playing the game - which says a lot about it's overall quality.

If I get a PS3, it'd definitely be top of my list to buy.

:)
Posted by The_KFD_Case
I see you still don't have a leg to stand on and as usual present a strawman argument. Well done! Speaking of "making waves" I see you didn't deny that you are an obnoxious member of the SDF. Then again, your confirmation of that is hardly required as it's been apparent for some time. 8)

Btw, it's spelled "intellect" and I haven't been a politician yet although who knows what the future may bring? Perhaps it'll end up in the cards at some point. I almost feel sorry for you; apparently you feel dissatisfied with your own life to the point that some of the parts of my life that have been revealed on this website intimidate you. That's your problem to tough out; no one else. Suck it up and deal with it.

The pleasure is all mine. ;)
Posted by ei8hty5ive
Yeah I realise that as every console was losing money per sale and they are in a bad way financially, i'm not denying that but what I am saying is that people are making too much about PS3 'doing badly' but the fact is, they're not but they have royally messed up their finances. What I was getting at was if Nintendo were making a loss on every console they wouldn't have this huge pile of cash in their pocets and would be considerably worse off than Sony (Because they have lost more business over the first quarter) but they are not because they are using old tech that is cheap. To summerise, I'm saying all the consoles are doing worse in Q1 but it just looks worse for Sony as they messed up their numbers not because the console isn't doing well...

P.S. I still think they need a price drop though...They'll have to lose more before they start gaining...
Posted by ei8hty5ive
That's my gripe. Nintendo marketed this machine as a multiplayer console and thus has neglected the online capabilities to 'force' you to buy additional controllers. I bought a Wii on release and found Wii sport no fun as a single player experience and bought another controller (For a large sum of money) and since then I haven't bought many games (only AAA titles) cause lets face it most have been drivel. Now they have released Wii Sports Resort and Motion PLus, and I can't play it unless I have a Motion Plus add on to play it and I have read that there is no ONline compatibility and 1 player experience is not very good and they are not 'forcing' me to adopt Motion Plus? Maybe not physically but...In addition I play Street fighter 4 online all the time on my PS3 and I have an extra controller bought direct from Sony for £30 as apposed to £50 for a Wiimote and nunchuk WITHOUT motion plus. Im not saying Sony are saints but I feel Nintendo have mislead me...
Posted by milky_joe
»

You have two controllers already, so you can get Wii Sports Resort with motionplus as well as an additional motionplus for roughly the same amount as the RRP of Modern Warfare 2... just an example of course. ;)
Posted by voad
»

I agree with having some issue with Nintendo's online gaming set up. It is pretty poorly done but I just chalked that up to this being their first attempt. Though they haven't really shown much improvement and I agree a better online experience and support would add to the console tremendously.

But I don't recall Nintendo ever going on and on about the Wii's online capabilities nor do I remember any of their advertisements showcasing people playing together online. It is always people playing together in the same room in all the adds.

Also, you argue that in order to play Wii Sports Resort you need to buy a M+ in addition to the game... at least that seems to be what you are saying. But M+ comes with the game. If you are trying to say that if you want to play with any additional people you would then need to purchase at least one more M+ then you are correct. Me, I have 2 controllers each with a nunchuck. I only had to go out and buy 1 set. Right now I have Sports Resort and the one M+ it came with. I will get the other M+ when Red Steel 2 comes out and is shipped with the game. In the mean time I can simply take turns with the controller in most of the games that are in Resort. And I have absolutely no reason to really buy any more controllers than what I have. In many games some one else can play with a different controller lay out, like with a cube controller. But other than that, people can just sit and watch and the controllers get passed around.

I'd say you are absolutely right that the controllers are pricey. There is a lot more tech in them than the PS3 pad that you have though. It is much like the complaints about the PS3 prices vs other consoles. But in this case you have more control over how you choose to spend your money and on what you'd like to spend it on.
Posted by The_KFD_Case
»

We agree that Sony's PS3 would probably see increased sales if a decent price cut was dealt to the public. However, regarding the previously cited figures there is no way that Sony is doing just as well as Nintendo. The reason is that while Nintendo saw a decline of 60% in its profits, it means that it's still making surplus money off its products. Sony on the other hand saw a net loss of 37.4% of its total operations and an increase in it's negative figures - not just in profits. In other words, Sony's figures are in the red whereas Nintendo's are still in the black. Having a surplus, even if smaller than previously, is always going to be better than having an outright negative bank balance in regards to business. There are no two ways about it.
Posted by ei8hty5ive
»»

*Smiles* I keep trying to get this out but it never comes out right! I am in full agreement with you on the figures and given that the PS3 WAS making money per console it still won't have anything like the profits Nintendo are posting but all I'm saying is Nintendo would probably be in negative, or at least very modest, figures if they were losing money per Wii sold and it is inevitable the PS3 will be losing money but it is not because it's not selling. The PS3 is still desirable and is still selling quite well (considering that the Wii has gained so much of the market and has been so dominent)but there is no denying that Sony have made a right royal mess of this generation console marketing and deployment and they are in the worst possible place at the moment as they are in a bit of limbo. Most console are expected to lose a bit of money initially but gain back in software sales but where they have gone wrong is they played the wrong hand and while Xbox and Wii played the less tech (bolt on after)/cheaper console card the PS3 when all in and expected PS fans would buy in regardless of the sky high prices. Where they are now is that they have missed the initial new release feel good facter and are not selling huge amouts of software but are worried about losing too much money if they bridge the gap price wise (i.e price drop).

I still think the only way out of the woods for PS is to bite the bullet and price drop and get those sales figures up and hopefully more software sales will compensate...
Posted by Legrasse
I wouldn't hold your breath for too much in the way of rationale rapport from KFD, he may not be an 360 fanboy, but neither have I seen him make a positive comment about the PS3 during my lurking - whether that's due to personal 'preference' or as an act of rebellion towards several PS3 fanboys on here, I'm not sure. It's nice to see some half rational discussion on here for a change either way.

I think it will be interesting to come back in a few years, if the ass does fall out of Sony, and Microsoft have the only power-gaming rig out, to see some of the reactions. We all know what Microsoft do when they corner the market, right? Just look at the cost of their operating systems. At least, while the PS3 is expensive, it is of relatively high quality - I don't like the thought of paying top dollar for tacky hardware that breaks.
Posted by procion
I know. Sony and Microsoft should go into partner shary-shary reicevership & sell us Nintendoes thru the NHS. Buy one, and get another free with every hospital stay.
Sounds like fun aye?
Posted by Legrasse
Mhmm, that's sounds like a ****ing great idea, bring it. ;)
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