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This'll be fun... agree 100% I think the majority of the consumers went for the 360 as it's much cheaper & basically offered the same as the ps3. Yeah right Tretton...you and your Sony cohorts keep telling yourselves that it's "the best value for money" shit while the competition moves further ahead and the losses continue, and no amount of corporate doublespeak is going to change it!
Drop the price and shut the **** up, and change that paedo pic. of yours as well while your at it! I said this already in the other thread
Sony are offering good value if you want all the features the console offers but thats just the point a lot of people do not really care about card readers which you can buy for your pc very cheap & even blu ray & now you can get stand alone players at reasonable prices so that feature is not so much a draw as it used to be & as a games console ps3 is not worth the extra cost most people cannot tell the difference between the multi format games & sony's exclusives are not reaching the audience they hoped they would not one of their exclusive games has topped a million sales in the usa that is a bad sign considering one of those games was the eagerly awaited MGS4.
Sony tried to put everything in a jack of all trades machine at great expence to themselves & the customer they claim to love so much, its their own fault for the situation they find themselves in. *grabs coffee*
*waits for SVD* Call me stupid, but is there anything about the PS3 that you consider 'future technology'?
I can't think of anything. I own both consoles & he's talking nonsense, Uncharted and Little Big Planet gave me a few weeks of fun but until Uncharted 2 arrives it's back to the far better value Xbox 360 (no, a bluray player isn't worth the extra).
Besides, everyone I know is on Live and loving it. :) In the long term -as a games machine- the 360 will still be just as powerful, and the Wii will probably still be cheaper. People wont replace their 360 games collection just for Bluray.
Sony desperately need a price cut. We all assumed they'd do it, but then we assumed they werent stupid enough to leave out a rumble feature and tell us it was because it didnt make a difference. "Could have released a PS 2.5 for $299?".
If that made it easier to get near it's theoretical performance, resulted in less gimped conversions and was still on par with the 360, and would now be at a mass market price, then perhaps they should have?
They will argue that it was strategy and everything conforms to some master plan, but at some point someone at Sony will have to admit it was a mistake born out of arrogance. A mistake that's cost them the market domination they once enjoyed, and rightly so. I presume he's waffling on about the so called "futuristic" Blu-Ray format and this ridiculous story about 10 year life-cycles, which as you suggest is anything but futuristic!
Bottom line is the Blu-Ray was a way to get a new format into the mainstream which hasn't been anywhere near as successful as they'd hoped, and with current PC gaming technology already pissing all over the current consoles, it's not exactly going to be difficult for Microsoft, Apple et al to embrace this and release a genuine next gen. console within the next couple of years, making a mockery of that silly pipe dream as well. He IS right, though, and you are only proving his points with your comments. You buy a console for the long-term and the PS3 will probably be the best long term due to it's Blu-ray player and the fact that it has the most advanced technology in it. The 360 & Wii have been maxed, while the PS3 hasn't, and if games look as good as KZ2 and Wipeout HD at a fraction of the system's power, then imagine what the future will bring. I am sure that I will be accused of fanboyism for this, but I have a Wii and 360 as well. The 360 has biblically good games such as Gears and Halo and the Wii does as well in the forms of Zelda & Metroid.
Roll on the Grasshopper, Xboxrulez and my favorite, Wiigodboy. I paid more for my 360 than I paid for my PS3. Microsoft dropped the price of the 360 less than a year ago. I'll buy one when they come down in price.
'Nuff said. YAWN!!! :roll:
Look Sony, no one wants your "future proof" machine since it costs too much and the games are, well, meh. As much as I'm bored with my 360 and how shit all its accessories and M$hite are, there's still games on it I'd rather play than what you offer.
In the end, I don't buy Sony products cos they're crap. I got a PS2, yes but that was years ago and no game on it now makes me want to go back and play on it. I have a blu ray enabled laptop and a stand alone player but they're not Sony A Sony employee saying that a Sony product is good value for money?
Will wonders never cease?
And just so the Fanboys understand (you all know who you are :) ) this could have been a Nintendo or an Xbox employee and it would still be the exact same thing.
And what is that? Meaningless marketing talk. Not sure that's true...as purely a "games console", the 360 is superb value bang for buck!
If other peoples idea of a games console is something that can play high-res films or allow for bloatware games to come on a single disk, then fine, but most gamers want shit-hot games with quality graphics, sound, interaction, and not an experimental media centre! Sigh
Arnt those Thunderbird ads on TV great? Its like the games don't matter and all they do is plug it for its features. I'm glad their games don't sell and it puts them further into debt. Arrogance doesn't get you anywhere - look what it did to Nintendo. But Nintendo have gone the other way now cos they have the balls to try somthing new and its worked out for them.
There is absolute no reason for most people to fork out for a PS3 cos its the games that make people buy consoles and none of Sony's are remotely interesting. They may be 'good' but its stuff that's been done before. The 360 (to a certain extent even if most are the same genre) and Wii offer different games and for cheaper. People are bound to go for those. I hate this idea of making a console worth buying further down the road as opposed to now. Until they drop the price its not gonna change anyone's mind Trouble is, will the publishers keep supporting it if it's still in third place? Activision are already talking about dropping it, and Valve won't touch it with a twenty foot pole. If you look back at the past console wars one thing stands out above everything else, the most powerfull console(tech. wise) always comes last(mega drive/snes, ps1/saturn, ps2/xbox etc, etc). Same went for VHS versus beta max, whichever one captures peoples attention gets the most sales, and thus the most support. Just being the most powerfull isn't enough, just ask all those companies that had their time at the top and then blew it(Sinclair, Atari, Commodore, etc, etc). Absolutely correct! Typical Sony arrogant attitude. They have been playing the 'better value for money card' since launch. It seems unbelievable that despite the overwhealming threats of third party support dropping they are still adomant about their price. Time to drop the price Sony, before the devs drop you. It's all good and well to mention that the PS3 gives the best long-term value, but people don't look at a game system as an investment. They want something that has good games and playability from the start.
Sony has gotten themselves stuck in a bizarre cycle. The PS3's true potential has yet to be truly utilized by any developers. As a result most of the PS3 games are on par with Xbox 360 titles. People aren't interested in promises of performance (we get enough from politicians), so they go with the console with a larger library of well-crafted games. Thus the sales for the PS3 and its titles aren't very high. So developers avoid taking the risk of focusing for just the PS3, meaning that games get created for multiple platforms, which means that the developers aren't working on getting all they can out of the PS3. You can see where it goes next.
Sony needs to do something to get things rolling and though a price cut might not be the best option long term, it might be their only option in the short term. Ack to each to their own really but i agree with this. Had all consoles at launch and i feel i've got more out of my playstation than the others. I just prefer the exclusives and use every last feature on the system...except for home... lol
And just sold my 360 about 2 weeks ago and got stuff for Wii, PS3 and bluray :D lol.
Anyway who cares tho you like it you like it you don't you don't you agree you agree etc etc It's not what i say or they say it's what you think and feel isn't it? What also dawned upon me is that with devs (any of dev, internal or not) games not selling so much and more investment having to go into PS3 games in general...
well, if those games don't sell the numbers required to make a profit I can't see them investing further down the line to try and get more out of the PS3 itself (except for in house devs). It'll be like the N64 but worse.
Stuck in a crappy cycle indeed but that's how they want to play it, that's what's gonna happen The guy is right! Did I get value for my money with the wii? lol no after 2 weeks the novelty wore off so given it to my niece! Did I get value for money with the xbox360? I don't think so. I've been through 4 and only played gears of war 1 and 2 (which are average at best. Now I finished them the machine just collects dust) did I get value for my release day ps3? yes I did exclusive games just feel so much better than any xbox exclusive I played. The machine is much better made and OS feels much better. The blu ray playback is better than a nigh on 300 quid standalone player. I would buy another one tomorrow if I had to. too much ignorance and hating for no actual reason. But still an amusing read. Aren't we all bored of this price news? There's a new story about the PS3's price every f**king day, at the end of the day, your choice of system comes to personal opinion and preference of games so lets drop it and talk about unicorns or something. Mine hasn't been good value so far - I've hardly played a game on it for over six months since I bought a 360, and don't even play Blu-rays on it any more since I bought a Pioneer Blu-ray player 4 months ago!
(And if you think BD playback on a PS3 is better, or even as good, as a £300 player, then you're deluding yourself! BD playback is good on the PS3, but it has been overtaken by players costing £200.) That's "chavtastic!!"...and I'm sure the Blu-Ray playback will still be most appreciated when the PS3 gets dropped and you're forced to play "games" on your 360, Wii or PC...best of both worlds I guess? :shock: Nah, it's great laughing at the xbots. unicorns would at least be interesting. :lol: Keep one thing in mind when I got my ps3 it was launch day uk year or so later I got the blu ray play so naturally now you can get better ones for less money but not back then. As for the chavtastic comment it doesn't deserve a response. I give a list of reason why I found ps3 better value for money. so read back up tough guy :lol: A while ago, I would have said "I'll buy a PS3 when the price drops". As time goes on though, I find that I really don't care about getting a PS3 at all. I've seen the quality of Blu-Ray, and I just don't give a crap. Better image quality does not improve the quality of a movie. The Matrix is still awesome, whether it's SD or HD, and Spiderman III is still a piece of shit at any resolution.
I've yet to see a game on PS3 that clearly demonstrates that the PS3 has superior hardware capabilities. Perhaps in time, developers will start to get the hang of coding for the PS3, and we will start to see some truly impressive games, but by then the next Xbox will be just around the corner.
In my opinion, Sony could hardly have gotten it more wrong this generation. I'm very happy for you my East European friend and I don't doubt for a minute you love your PS3 purchase.
The "chavtastic" reference was an ole' English joke and nothing to do with being a tough guy!! :D By your own admission you only played GOW1 & 2!
So that means you have missed out on oh lets see..
Mass effect, Halo 3 & Halo wars, PGR 3 & 4, Fable 2, Blue dragon, Lost odyssey, Ace combat 6, Forza 2, just to name a few & on xbox live Banjo kazooie & Tooie, R type dimensions, Castlevania SOTN, Prince of persia classic, amongst others.
Its good that you enjoy the "features" so much but I would rather play the above mentioned games than have those features just speaking as a gamer. They may be able to get better performance if they learn how to code for it is great & all but how 3rd parties want to invest that kind of cash at the moment? & seeing as only 1 of Sony's own exclusives has topped 1m in sales in the usa is not a good sign either as it is obviously going to be up to sony to show that the ps3 is indeed that much better than 360.
As it stands 3rd parties are already talking out aloud about the possability of dropping ps3 EA, Activision & Koei-Tecmo, & for those that say it will not come to that do not be so sure stranger things have happend. Just on that, could you post a link where EA and Tecmo talk about dropping the PS3? he cant, hes talking shite.
fifa 09 has sold more on the ps3 than the 360. yes im sure EA are going to drop ps3 support - retard.
and the tecmo guy asked for a ps3 price drop - nothing about dropping support AT ALL... with the "360 exclusive" ninja gaiden 2 coming soon to ps3 - improved and with extra features. :roll: Halo 3 is not that good I didn't like it enough to finish it. gotham 4 is okay but bikes screwed up the game with their dodgy handling. A few of the square enix ones almost had my attention but it was more UT3 engine stuff which I got fed up of (as it came out at the time my 2nd xbox popped when playing gears 1) its all just a matter of opinion. People can argue about it all month (most do) personally I'm not going to bother. I know what a chav is but it takes a tough guy to presume someone is one :) more so when they know nothing about the person. all you know is I own and prefer a console you hate :D makes you feel good about yourself right? I like how so many comments say "you can't really tell the difference between games on the PS3 and the 360". Actually you can as the 360 version always runs a better frame rate. Stop thinking the PS3 is somehow better because the goons at Sony said it was. By the time developers figure out how to make it better it will be time for next gen! »
And why do you think that these companies are asking for the price drop? its because their games are not performing well enough on the ps3 yeah so fifa sold more on ps3 but did it make enough money? & as for Tecmo they obviously want a price drop in the hopes that the console will sell more & more people will buy their games thus giving them a better return on their investment, you do not need links for that just common sense & read between the lines BTW i do not hate the ps3 at all & am looking to add 1 to my 360 & wii by years end but with all this talk of slim ps3 & possible ps2 compatability again I think i will wait & see what happens for a while longer. I love his subtle (or not so subtle) dig at Wii.. "PS 2.5" Give me a price drop and hopefully the talk about PS2 compatiablity again then i can feel its good value, not at the moment. hes got a point (sort of).
but they seriously need to change their attitude to australia and other places out side of the US and asia.
the ps3 here is 300 hundred bucks more expensive than the 60GB 360, the ps3 is good value for money but not 300 bucks better than the 360.
i dont understand how it can be 100 dollars dearer in the US and 300 here WTF is going on, i thought it was M$ who ripped their customers of not sony.
than theres the prices for games why are the US paying 60 pops per game and were paying 120?
last time i checked 60USD is arround 84AUD NOT 120AUD.
no wonder everyone i know has had their 360 chipped i think its about time i follow suite.only if the ps3 could do that............ Maybe they should have made a PS 2.5 then. Look who got their strategy right this generation then eh? Not Sony that's for sure. :) ive boxed mine back up, prob wont come out agasin till halo 3 odst and splinter cell conviction and forza 3, which is not far off, a majoirty of the 360 exclusives bore me silly theres only a couple i really like I agree that this generation doesn't belong to Sony the way the last two have, but it's not over yet. There's still at least two or three years left before they even start talking about the next-gen, let alone actually designing it.
Games are only really starting to gain momentum now that devs are starting to "get" the tech, so the tide could change. Not sure it's that likely, but it's possible. The biggest problem the PS3 now has is not the 360 any more! it's the fact you can get a blue ray player for under £100. To tell the truth i only got a PS3 for the blue ray play back and so far the games have been a little too under par to really change that so far, but by the looks of it that is slowly changing.
Oh yea and before any one calls me a Xbox fanboy, I'm Pc gamer!!!!!!!! »
ninja gaiden 2 is a piece of shit, you cant polish a turd The PS3 is an amazing bit of kit. It is a fantastic Blu Ray player, it upgrades video to near HD, I can stream to it from my Mac or plug in a USB drive to watch films. I have a 300gb Hard disk in mine which is used to store multiple TV programs I record. The PS store is good. Online gaming etc is free and the games are good too. XBox may have a few more but that's it. A few games, some of which are not brilliant.
The PS3 is a ****ing power house of a system and well worth the money. We use it a a complete home media centre coupled with a high end amp and it serves it's purpose wonderfully. My 360 gathers dust, it is a childs gaming machine, the new experience thing makes it look like a Wii.
As a games machine XBox is a cheaper choice but for an all round multimedia system I would go PS3 any day. Value for money... Maybe if you are also shopping for a bluray player, then yes, you are correct. If they do not want bluray, then it aint :evil:
Thats like saying the Wii is the best console ever... and from certain POV it is. But I would think majority of people would disagree.
It all depends on your point of view I guess... and not Sony's, MS's or even Ninty's, YOURS... I have both 360 and PS3 and the PS3 is easily the better machine, when you have both of them in front of you, the 360 looks and feels like a cheap, noisy children's toy, PS3 is also catching up on the game front.
Unless you have had both from day one, you cant really comment. To me the PS3 is a £300 pound product in every sense, a price cut would be welcome to increase user base but if it became the same price as 360 it will cheapen the machine.
Its like pricing a BMW at Proton prices.
Sony's mistake is not having a clue about target markets or marketing in general, which is a shock considering their original PS strategies changed the perception of gaming.
Sony, do what MS has done with Arcade and release a dumbed down version of PS3 just for gamers at a cheap price. AND sort your marketing out seems obvious to me that perception of value depends on the user, some people are overjoyed with the ps3 and feel they paid a fair price, other not so. same with the 360, wii and PC.
the ps3 does have more kit in it but it isnt more advanced than the 360, the cost of wifi and a blu ray drive will add to the 360 but i dont know if it would match £280. Xbox 360s finest
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mass effect
gears of war 1 and 2
crackdown
dead or alive 4
halo wars
left 4 dead
halo 3
pgr3 and 4
forza 2
fable 2
ninja gaiden 2
gta:lost and dammned (DLC? Oh dear)
(Average or may have been on PS3 if PS3 was released at an earlier stage: lost odessy, condemmed 1, blue dragon, dead rising, perfect dark zero, prey, ninety nine nights, viva pianta 1 and 2 and party animals - for the kids)
PlayStation 3's finest
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Uncharted 1
Demon Souls
Valkyria Chronicles
Motor Storm 1 and Pacific Rift
White Knight Chronicles
Killzone 2
Little Big Planet
Infamous
Heavenly Sword
Resistance 1 and 2
GT Prologue
Yakuza 3
Ratchet and Clank
Ninga Gaiden 2 Stigma
Metal Gear Solid 4
WarHawk
Wipeout HD
Both formats have awesome titles but PlayStation 3 clearly has the edge (without including average Haze and Lair), plus more franchises have started on PlayStation 3 than Xbox 360. loser. you have copy and pasted this on at least two threads.... pathetic. Until the sales start to dip, why would they need to drop the price, especially as they would make some serious damage in the pocket. Anyone who doesn't own a PS3 seems to think that Sony are not doing well, but in fact their sales are above that which the 360 achieved based on the same amount of time from launch. :lol: you've caught him with his pants down there svd.
oh and you simply can't trust someone who puts a demo in a list of great titles, plus heavenly turd and the decidedly average resistance 1. in fact if they were the finest and prospective customer would run a mile!
f'ing one eyed jack. You know - if we all stopped replying to topics like this - then maybe C&VG would stop posting them?!
C. quite possibly the worst and most ridiculous post i have ever read, well done. for more accurate lists please see metacritic. Oh no, caught completely off guard there, never thought other people would read more than one post. I totally though I was the only one ever who posted on more than one board.
I'll have to wise up, eh Xbox 360s finest
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mass effect
gears of war 1 and 2
crackdown
dead or alive 4
halo wars
left 4 dead
halo 3
pgr3 and 4
forza 2
fable 2
ninja gaiden 2
gta:lost and dammned (DLC? Oh dear)
(Average or may have been on PS3 if PS3 was released at an earlier stage: lost odessy, condemmed 1, blue dragon, dead rising, perfect dark zero, prey, ninety nine nights, viva pianta 1 and 2 and party animals - for the kids)
PlayStation 3's finest
………
Uncharted 1
Demon Souls
Valkyria Chronicles
Motor Storm 1 and Pacific Rift
White Knight Chronicles
Killzone 2
Little Big Planet
Infamous
Heavenly Sword
Resistance 1 and 2
GT Prologue
Yakuza 3
Ratchet and Clank
Ninga Gaiden 2 Stigma
Metal Gear Solid 4
WarHawk
Wipeout HD
Both formats have awesome titles but PlayStation 3 clearly has the edge (without including average Haze and Lair), plus more franchises have started on PlayStation 3 than Xbox 360. Yeah, there's a few turds, cough Halo Wars Second that! So you are comparing xbox360 current library with PS3 curent and future library. Hhhhmmmm! much better starsail are you on crack cocaine? your calling dead rising average? :lol: and your saying heavenly sword deserves to be in that so called finest list :lol: that list needs reviewing as there are games that arnt even out yet or are very average and boring (aka resistance and motorstorm) or games ive never heard of like demon blade lol :lol: Looking at things from the perspective of a publisher / developer.
PS3 has a decent installed base but the attach rate of games is not reaching high enough levels for some games to be proffitable.
Note: Sony's own exclusives have not yet broken the 1m sales mark in the USA, which is pretty bad going considering one of those exclusive titles is MGS4.
Developers get slated for just porting from 360/pc to ps3 so they feel the need to have the ps3 version coded seperately so they can "use the ps3 potential" but the cost of doing so is prohibitive & the games when released are not making enough money back for this to be worth while hence the devs & publishers are losing money on the ps3 hence why some are being very public asking for the price to be cut in the hopes that a spike in console sales will translate into a spike in software sales or are publicly saying they may have to stop supporting sony if this trend does not stop ie Activision.
Sony complain they lose money on each 1 sold but thats always been the way its been in the console wars only nintendo have released a new machine that has made profit on hardware since day 1 because they decided not to directly compete on a power basis with sony or ms.
Money is usually made on software but with sony's exclusives not even reaching 1m in sales its possible they are not making their money back on software either, & 3rd parties do not want to throw good money away on releasing games on a machine where they do not reach the expected returns for these investments.
Hence some publishers would rather stop making games for sony & concentrate their efforts on where the money is to be made cannot blame them for that. | 
