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 Digg.com Facebook Google Bookmarks N4G Gamerblips del.icio.us Reddit Slashdot.org StumbleUpon Well the price has put me off getting one despite all of it's wonderful marvellous features! thank god there's always someone from one of these companies to tell us what we want. without them we'd all still be living in mud huts. :roll: Which translated means "you won't be seeing a price decrease anytime soon, now stop ****ing going on about it!!" Knowing your market fail.
Understanding global financial crisis fail.
Spotting 90% of games are also available on a machine half the price fail.
Thinking gamers care about 'multimedia' features fail.
Dear oh dear Sony, when will you wake up? I'm now waiting to see if the PS3 slim comes to light. Although to be honest it'll probably be ramped right up in price if it does show it's face.
Maybe his comments are a way of making people think that the Slim isn't coming or is a long way off... in the hopes that the public will just go out and buy the fat version believing the price won't drop for ages?
(I did own an orignal 60gb PS3 before the fanboys start their crying). They really don't live in the real world, do they? Another article about PS3 pricing.
Another thread full of moaning paupers.
*Takes out fishing rod* If they mean, by "features" a bluray drive then I think a price drop would be a better move.
besides, If activision are any indication, then by the time they drop the price, half the titles won't be on my PS3 anyway. :? I forgot the recession wasnt affecting Europe the way it is in the rest of the world.
Thank God we all have money to burn! Asia has an huge price drop. poor Europe and North america Im very happy with mine, just upped HDD to 250 gig.When you consider what your getting blu ray player, internet web browser, game console etc it's well worth the money Love my PS3 and worth every penny!!! Shave another Ł100 off and i'd buy two :D Clearly then im in a minority for the price. Soon as there is a price drop its mine to take Is it really. the only thing it has on the 360 is a blu ray player. not exactly a huge feature that people looking for a GAMES CONSOLE give a flying **** about.
So i have a spare Ł300, what's gonna give me more for my money.
i could get a 360 for Ł160 with plenty spare for an extra pad and at a couple new games. (even more if you get some second hand)
orrrrrr...
A ps3.
Doesn't take a genius to see which is the better deal really. I'm with you CaspertheDog(?), drop the price- then we'll talk, Sony. The price is fair for such a wonderful piece of equipment. We wouldn't want it reduced in price to match the chavtastic Xbox - what kind of impression would that give. We have to have some class divides - otherwise the masses will get ideas that we are all equal. Keep the price high for people who can afford it, and let the paupers pick up a noisy second hand Xbox for less than the price of a PS3 game.
I am, in case anyone is in any doubt, joking - although the Xbox really is very, very noisy. Its 'killer' App, the blu-ray player is now as killer as a dormice armed with a stapler.
BD players are now in the shop for one third the price of the PS3.
There is a global recession. People still have money but they are just more careful with it (nothing to do us being 'paupers' as some smart alec's here have put it).
A console that can do it all sounds great but when a stand alone BD player, with a stand alone console can be brought with a few games/blu-ray films for the same money, then features alone ain't enough.
Value and how much you can get for your pound is what it's all about at the moment and when stacked up against the ability to get a decent blu-ray player (should you want one, quite a few people don't have hi def TV's) , a Wii/360 and several games then a PSŁ just doesn't look as good value. What a stuck up ***** If you want a computer by a PC ... Ł400 should get you a good one. Sure is will run window vista & crash all the time with more bugs than cheap B&B but youve got a computer & all those games ... great! It will last a coulpe of years!
If you want a computer which wont crash, runs really smoothly & comes with all the bells & whistles as standard ... buy a Mac, but it will cost you at least Ł1000 ... blimey! But hey dont they look nice too & it will last me years!? Not that many games, but the ones it does have are better than the ones on the PC & dont run with the inherent problems that the PC ones have because they are on a PC that needs a better grahic card ... or sound card ... or more memory ... or something that you didnt read on the small print on the side of the box ... damn it!
Apple make better computers & have ALWAYS been expencive! They NEVER shift on price! Not for way over 20 years! But they have always had a less fallable product!
Arent Sony just stating the same thing ... based on the facts of the machines spec showing that it can actually do more than just play games! & they are building an inferstructure within the playstation brand that will offer years of longevity! If you choose not to want blue-ray or the other netowrk abilities of the ps3 then buy console that is just a console ... buy a XB360.
Sony are still supporting the ps2 which is viewed as a machine for the back seats of MPV's, but they are still supporting it & making new ones! That shows brand & consumer longevity & support! Does microsoft still advertise games as "also available on XBOX(as in the original one?!)"? I dont think so?!
Ultimately ... You get what you pay for! I would pay 500 quid for a new ps3 tomorrow if mine was to go today had one since launch day couldn't be happier with it. If my 360 was to die (again) I'm not sure I would want another I only liked 2 games for it (gears) halo 3 is a joke and the online isn't much better for the price let alone the noise the damn thing makes and batteries I go through. I got the ps3 with the card reader built into it and I use it quite often with my photography will also be getting a new HDD in time. plus the blu ray player is better than my 300 quid (at the time) stand alone blu ray player. I'm far from a fanboy but there is alot the ps3 has going for it. Same as xbox I guess I just didn't notice yet :? peace peeps The ps3 is selling well and has been since its release, when are you people going to understand that a price drop wont happen until the ps3's sales numbers hit rock bottom or when it becomes cheaper to produce! its business and that's that, yes we all know it will probably sell millions upon millions and smoke all over the Xbox when the price does drop, but why are Sony going to do that now when its still shipping at its current price!
They need to make money to produce more consoles remember! So its a mixed bag for Sony right now! They need to make as much money as possible another words, perhaps the 10 year life cycle of the console is true after all, and this gives Sony plenty of time to catch up! Give it some thought before you comment! European gamers don't focus on the price? Hahahahaha! Yeah right. I highly doubt I'm the only European who was put off by the PS3's continually high price compared to the competition, and thus ended up buying one of the other consoles. Looks like more of the usual bullcrap PR statements we've come to expect from a plethora of Sony officials. :roll: personally speaking (and i am from europe) i don't like your price or your features sony BAM! I do believe you have nailed it down to a tee, FlimFlam. My hat's off to you, sir. Oh please!!! Ł280 is nothing!! im pretty sure if you cant afford one then you need to get off your fat ar5e5 and get a job!!
I am just so pleased my tax has paid for you wii and 360.
Also go buy a xbox for dirt cheap but make sure you pick up all the add ons to make almost as equal spec as the PS3 wont ya!! im pretty sure now HD DVD is dead thay are selling them off pretty cheap now. Shame you cant buy movies though awwwww never mind thats what happens when a software giant makes hardware!!
This is exa seekersctly why M$ do hostile takovers on small companies, they just dont have the talent to do it themselves. Project Naltal ring a bell.
Now let me get back to work so i can pay my taxex and you never know Gordon Brown might up job seekers allowance and you can go splash out on a PS3.
One word CHAVS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: Do you honestly believe that Activision would leave the PS3 market (22 million consoles?) to EA? Really? That's nice, but I already have a gaming PC rig that does all of that and more (minus the BR since I don't particularly care about that at present time). Coming from that perspective buying the Xbox 360 as I did at roughly half the price was a no brainer. Sony is so far out of touch with the reality on the front lines if they truly think that the sentiments expressed in this article are the widespread standard. When I enter a game shop its the Chav's that cluster around the PS3 shelves (at the back so as not to disturb the more intelligent customers) looking for Fifa Street or trying to nick the boxes because they're too thick to realise the game disc has been removed.
The PS3 is like a magnet for shell suits and fake, knock off, jewellery. To be honest, I don't see the big fuss with Blu-Ray anyhow. I can't notice a significant difference on my tv (a 32" Sony Bravia KDL 32S3000) whether I play a Bluray or a DVD. New films on bluray are expensive (in some cases, Ł25) compared to about Ł12 on DVD, so I'm not that interested in it.
Don't get me wrong, I would very much like a PS3 once all the great games start coming out, but, as I am mainly into FPS's, I already own the best console for that. Once the price comes down by a ton (that's Ł100 for yous not versed in cockney) and there are about 3 or 4 truely great games that I can only get on that system, I will be happy to fork out for one. Not being a fanboy (though I wouldn't really give a f**k what any of you would think, even if I was) but Sony do come out with these comments which are kind of backhanded compliments, implying that we are more sophisticated than the rest of the world (which is true :p) but at the same time, we are smart enought to know what we want and don't want.
Seriously Sony (and nintendo and microsoft for that matter), stop telling us what we want when you know damn well that it isn't. The reason the PS3 isn't selling as many as they should (and eventually will) is becasue the system is too expensive when compared with the alternatives. Oh good, another PS3 price drop story.
My opinion about it all has not wavered since these stories began in 430BC.
If you can't afford one then tough titties. I don't expect Sony to bring down the price so it cripples their profits (or lack of) even more.
The guy even says so in the article, you dullards.
Buy another 360 if it makes you feel better. :lol: I hope you're joking.
Funnily enough, I was walking past a Brighthouse store the other day. Looking through the window I couldn't see a single 360, but they had stacks of PS3s.
Although perhaps the 360s had all been snapped up. Would you want to pay Ł500 for a PS3 over 5 years? Good job they've got a ten year plan! The price is actually going down in real terms anyway. The pound is so weak now that if you want to buy any electronics then they tend to cost MORE than they did a year ago because of prices going up - example, the RRP of the Wii going up Ł20. Look at surround sound systems, what was Ł250 a year ago you can't get for less than Ł350. It's especially like this for Japanese electronics.
The PS3 staying at the same RRP means the price is dropping. I think you'll find the console of choice for chavs is the ps3. I recon their purchase is based on the fact it's got playstation written on it, so it's got to be good innit, sniff, spit. J O B spells JOB = MONEY
God what kind of people am i dealing with here???? Yes, yes- all 360 owners are chavs and all PS3 owners are spoilt brats who can't spell. Very good. :roll:
But from what I've seen Chav and the Playstation brand usually go hand in hand.
'itz wikid, yo.' Well it's not really a no brainer when you have a gaming PC as most of the X360 games end up on PCs. So, to me (as I also have a gaming pc) PS3 was more appealing as PS3 exclusives are real exclusives (so only on PS3).
I don't know, I just think that if you have a gaming pc and are interested in games and not consoles, the PS3 is the better choice to compliment the gaming PC. Well, that's just my opinion. And ultimately look at how much of the PC market share Apple's approach has gotten it? A measly amount, not to mention that the latest cutting edge hardware makes its appearance on PCs years before it makes it to the Macs. You get what you pay for...Or do you? Any numpty can throw money at something; the true feat lies in getting a good deal, in finding a product that fulfills your needs and desires while still offering a certain standard and at a cheaper price. This applies to both PCs vs. Macs and the Wii/Xbox 360 vs. the PS3.
I've got money to burn yet as another poster pointed out I, and many others, are more careful about how we spend it. Sony has got another thing coming if it thinks it's truly in a position to dictate what the sales price for the PS3 is. It can resist all it wants; if taken to the extreme it'll result in the PS brand being shut down either due to a mass loss of future purchases or because new consoles are released once more. Now that's the extreme and I don't expect it will happen but if Sony wants to continue playing with the "big boys" it might do well to re-examine it's current sales strategy for the PS3. Thats exactly the point!! they want what you cant afford! everyone knows thay are giving 360 away. You gotta work and save for a PS3. No wonder we are know as hand out britain. Are you serious? The difference almost melted my eyeballs. And I don't even have full HD tv, just 32" HD Ready tv, so 720p and 1080i max, no 1080p. If you have a full HD TV and can't see the difference between bluray and DVD then there must be something wrong with your eyes. No offense. Lets be honest, his comments are up there with their "people arent fussed about a rumble function" when the PS3 first came out. They had to backtrack on that later big time, and the same will be said for this. Sony used to be one of the most shrewd companies around, but now they seem really out of touch. OMG playing with the big boys!!! erm 125 million PS2 sold to date! Strongest brand in the market....... Its early days yet and we all know in a year the PS3 will go through the room in terms of sales after a price drop. So please get a grip. chavs are generally poor. the ps3 is seen as expensive.
cant you do maths?!
idiots.
the fact is that the 360 has a much younger audience, maybe thats where all the retarded comments are coming from. the xbox is dirt cheap cause pocket money doesnt stretch to ps3's price and MS are taking advantage of that.
rumble comments... nuff said :roll: :roll: :roll: this story dropped into my inbox this morning.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=509&tag=nl.e550
guessing it's a USA story but even so... Posted by Mark240473
"I don't expect Sony to bring down the price so it cripples their profits (or lack of) even more
The guy even says so in the article, you dullards"
True, but Sony also said about 6 weeks ago that they did not have another PSP about to come out and they were right. Oh no, hang on, no. The PSPgo!(f**k yourselves) was leaked just before E3.
Anything these corporations say should always be taken with a pinch of salt. That goes for Nintendo and Microsoft as well.
The PS3 will come down by Ł70 by the end of the year, I gurantee it. From what I understand of chavs ... which quite frankly isnt much ... dont they buy asperational brands on the never, never so they can own things that are more than they can really afford on the dole?!
Burberrry clothes can be copied & these copies look identical but they fall apart very quickly & ultimatly arent as good quality?!?
I've got it!!! Sony can reduce the price of the ps3 by making covers for XB360 to make them look like ps3's!! Then the chavs can have thier "ps3's" the smae as thier nock of Burburrey hats & Calvin Clone pants! YAY!
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I thought it was 'rip off Britain'? Overheard in Game:
"PS3 is betta than 360 coz of Blu-Ray innit"
followed by:
"What is Blu-ray anyway?" Really? I'm running Vista Home Premium 64b for over a year now, without reinstalls or formats (something unheard of with XP or previous Windows) and I could count the crashes on one hand.
Are you sure the problem is in Vista and not between the chair and keyboard? ;)
Because I haven't seen a more stable Windows in my life and I've worked with Windows since 3.11
But I have a legal version of Vista, so that might be it. :P PS3 for chavs - surely not. Are you suggesting that people who previously owned Xboxs are slowly coming round to the idea that the PS3 is better, and that we have a migration of lower class people into the PS3 owners club. Well, if that is the case then I'm going to buy a PC and burn every console I've ever owned.
We can't have poor people playing games. One's with an IQ considerably higher than yours it seems. Posted by Vyvrtka
"Are you serious? The difference almost melted my eyeballs. And I don't even have full HD tv, just 32" HD Ready tv, so 720p and 1080i max, no 1080p. If you have a full HD TV and can't see the difference between bluray and DVD then there must be something wrong with your eyes. No offense."
My apologies, I mean when playing a DVD on an upscaling DVD player. I neglected to mention this. Gamestop in Spain are selling it for 229€ = Sub Ł200
http://www.gamestop.es/juegos-detalle.php/44/1240
I think the more avid gamer wouldnt consider the cost so much, but the mainer stream probably more so. Ah okay, that might explain it. :) Well, upscaled dvd is still dvd and not full hd. The difference is really incredible. But the bluray movies are still too expensive, so not really worth it yet :? You are one of the lucky ones ... every new computer we get at work we insist upon xp being installed, if we have to have a pc ... & trust me its got nothing to do with user error. That's bang on about chavs.
And can we stop the whole luxury, exclusive rubbish about owning a PS3 please???? You enjoy it, that's great. Social class doesn't come into it. Applys to calling ps3 owners chavs too.
I know people who spend Ł5 on a loaf of bread. I could afford to do that, but it's about priority!
I would guess that socially, the split between lower, middle and upper class is pretty even across all consoles. Although, all the rich people I know have a wii as they don't have that much time/interest in gaming, so buy the one they hear most about and also that they can pick up and play for 20 minutes at a time! Speaking of the dead HD-DVD format, interestingly enough there are far more Americans that have that format than Blu-Ray. A recent survey has found that Blu-Ray adaptation is stagnating in the US. "So what?! That's the bloody Yanks, blah de blah!" you might say. True, it's in America but considering that the US is still the single largest, wealthiest market in the world anyone with half an ounce of business sense and an interest in the global/US market needs to care. HD TV channels and cable with movie download services appear to have hampered the adoption rate for BR.
Here's an excerpt from the news article:
"The percentage of American adults with a HDTV is up from 35 in May 2008 to 47 percent today, but the amount of Americans that own a Blu-ray player is only 7 percent, up from 4 percent a year ago. By comparison, 11 percent of Americans own a machine that plays the now-defunct HD DVD format."
http://www.guru3d.com/news/more-people-in-us-with-a-hd-dvd-player-than-bluray-/
As for "Chavs" I'd like to counter that if you spend money on something that you don't use and/or pay more for the same functions that can be had elsewhere at a lower price, then that places you squarely in the moron camp. It's ever so good to see that some of my tax money has been well spent on your education... If they earnestly thought that they were losing money on PS3 games development and/or a signifant increase in profits could be made by focusing on other platforms then yes. Stranger things have happened. Will it happen? I wouldn't bet on it but I don't see it as being as impossible and some seem to think. My mate's just had his 18 month old PS3 fail with flashing yellow light / power off issue.
Sony quote Ł145 quid for fix / replace with a refurb.
Mate says "No thanks", and then spent Ł200 on a 360 with 3 games and 60 GB HDD.
He's now contemplating trying one of those unofficial repairers, but is actually more bothered about the PSN titles he bought, and his PS2 BC than missing the PS3 itself. Im confused, Its sounds like your saying it, as if its a bad thing? L-O-L! :lol: poor people whine. so far thats 53 comments from the peasants of this country.
keep em rolling in you doll cheque, early school leaving scum.
i might buy one for the bedroom when the slim comes out.
would be nice to have 2 in the house
no price drop until xmas at the very earliest and even then i doubt it'll happen what with the PSPgo coming out. its just not good business strategy for them to drop the price taking people away from their new tech they're releasing.
but you obviously haven't learnt economics in school yet. Posted by PTG
"Lets be honest, his comments are up there with their "people arent fussed about a rumble function" when the PS3 first came out. They had to backtrack on that later big time, and the same will be said for this. Sony used to be one of the most shrewd companies around, but now they seem really out of touch."
Ha ha, true. Do you also remember Ken Kutaragi's comments about "People will work extra hours for a PS3" and "PS3 will install disiplin"? Incredible. A bit of thread drift here, but - did you really say that Macs have better games than PCs???
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You are an imbecile. Well I probably wouldn't have bought a PS3 if it weren't for (amazingly) having a fair amount of spare cash this month, so make of that what you will. HMV are selling blu rays at a reasonable price I was there the other day and there were many for under the Ł14 mark even some as low as Ł8. Sure they still had some stupidly priced ones but if you look around you get some good offers. I did (but only one,) and it does. :wink: I really hope this is a joke post, or you have some serious, serious issues. Want to know how much i paid for my 60gb PS3. Not a damn penny. I got it free with a phone contract.
I had to pay for my wii/360 on the otherhand.
We're known as hand out britain. to Sun readers and retards because we have something called the welfare state. which means in times of crisis the government will take care of you. If you get injured you can see a doctor for free and recieve heavily subsidised medicine, if you lose your job the government will help you pay your bills. What a terrible place to live in.
pfft! An interesting point, however it then should also be mentioned that many people have not had pay increases - some have even seen their wages decrease - while other costs of living have increased. So while the real term costs may technically be lower the day-to-day reality is not favourable to the current pricing. Well I have a very good 40inch Samsung with full 1080p. I played spiderman 2 through the player on both bluray and upscaled dvd and there was virtually no difference! The only thing that I could notice was the colour reproduction was very slightly better and the webs were very slightly more defined. However Topgun is a different story, even though it is not even pin sharp on the blueray version there are noticeable differences especially on the narrative text but then the DVD version was never exactly the best picture quality in the first place.
I have noticed that if a film is generally dark like batman etc then the bluray version really does look a lot better, however if it is bright then the upscaled dvd tends to be very close to the bluray version. Part of the problem is due to the disc mastering, some dvds look amazing and some blurays look very average. \
Feel free to leave if we offend you so much. I doubt anyone will stop you. :) Just seen this too
http://www.gamerzink.com/news/$199-playstation-3,-new-sku-inbound.aspx
Looks like SKU's are being cleared!! Even though i got a ps3 for free, I still consider price slightly more then features, ..especially game features/visuals. although they do play a big part in my decision of getting the game. I'd much rather see price first. »
It was my personal comment and from that perspective (i.e. my personal view,) it *was*/*is* a no brainer. Many games are released for both the PC and Xbox 360 there are however plenty that aren't. By having both I can choose whether I want more responsive controls, better hardware and cheaper prices (PC), or whether I want the ease of use and lack of odious DRM (Xbox 360) vs. an overpriced BR playing media center that does have a few games I would like to play but which I can live without. All of this is made even sweeter to my sensibilities by the fact that for the price of a PS3 I got a spanking new Xbox 360 and a good number of games (some new, some second hand). Says $ony, seriously features? Thats what they think we give them money for, I got a PS3 becuse it was something extra added onto a blu-ray player and haven't used it for much else.
The only thing I'm looking forward to is FFXIV, The truth about the amazing features is they aren't tied to the system to make it feel interesting or social and they aren't anything new or improved over what others have.
You know what European gamers like? Loyalty so how about you stop screwing us and treat us equal to americans in your content. Ah yes! Relive the good old glory days! You surely need them to prop you up considering the disappointing sales of the PS3 *compared to expectations*! Now take your own advice and "get a grip". Better yet, since you've been harping on about getting a job why don't you go back to minding yours? Lower price=larger audience prepared to purchase product= more units sold=larger market share and more games sold. Also lowering the price of PS3 would free up money in order to buy the PSP GO. Perhaps you should also have gone to economics class too..... :wink:
Also many that leave school early go on to become plumbers and electricians etc. These vocational professions pay very very well indeed, in fact most likely more than you earn you peasant..... :wink: Not surprisingly you conveniently forget to consider that teenagers a few years ago were estimated to have over 1.5 billion US dollars worth of expendable "income" in the US alone. Many parents still hand out allowances to their kids. Besides, just as with the lottery where research has found that those who can least afford it play the most, it wouldn't be at all surprising to find that chavs and those who absolutely "must" have a PS3 will spend money on it...even if some of them can't afford it. We see it happen to people from all walks of life daily in regards to houses and cars, etc. I think CVG scored pay dirt with story! Well done lads. Well done. :D Clearly you didn't study business and economics either! Cutting the PS3 price now which struggles with its produce to profit margin would cause meltdown for Sony because they wouldn't be recuperating enough monies to produce more hardware, I.E PS3 and PSPgo! Alright, I'll bite. How many degrees do you hold? From which institutions? What's your job title? Don't feel comfortable being called on? Guess you should give a little more thought to your comments before you label all of us unwashed, uneducated delinquents. I also make my own bread sometimes. It's cheaper and very theraputic :)
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However console companies make the vast majority of their profits on the games sold. If Sony can get more into homes then there is far more potential for selling more games and making more profit. Also if there is still such a cost problem why have they managed to lower the price in other territories? This is also one of Sonys biggest mistakes with the PS3 in my opinion, they made it too expensive to produce and are now limited to what they can do. It's not the price that would stop me considering a Playstation... it's that pathetic excuse for a controller! I'm no fanboy, in fact I'm too old to get into childish arguments about consoles, but the simple truth is the Xbox pad is better designed and feels more comfortable to play on. The size, colour, and badge on the front of a console mean nothing to me. Although now I've got to a stage where I have so many, long-term, friends on Xbox Live, even redesigning that Sony pad wouldn't make me change over to a Sony console in the future. I'd buy a PS3 if they cost less than the price of a Blu-ray player though, which is all it's good for, for me. Aye. Now there are some who abuse such a system and personally I frown on that. Still, I do think there may be something to the school of thought that in the long term it is cheaper, and safer, for a society to help those down on their luck remain within a certain comfort zone rather than let them fall all the way down, in between the cracks and out of the system. Reintregrating someone who has completely dropped out requires much more work and resources is the premise and while I don't have any hard figures on hand it seems to make good sense...Besides, we can all use a helping hand now and then. This gen.
Nintendo made a games console that consentrated on a motion control system and a new form of game play.
Sony made a games console that consentrated on being a living room multi media centre.
Microsoft made a games console that concentrated on bringing PC gaming experiance to the masses.
They just never explained this to us all at the begining.
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Okay I'll explain once more! Sony are now at a position where they are now starting to turn profit from PS3 sales, why? because they have been able to lower the production price of the console!now if Sony cut the PS3's price dramatically which is what the people want yet seem to have no understanding of its outcomes if done, Sony will fall from financial meltdown. If consumers can't afford the PS3 right now then don't buy one, but don't moan and gripe about it either.
Yes a price cut will help sell millions of consoles, games etc etc! But they will be losing money on every piece of hardware sold. Sony aren't in a position to do this again, especially now their turning over profit on the hardware! Money in the terms of profit need to be made to push a business forward yet people are to arrogant to understand this especially with the current economic downturn we are having. You would of thought that peoples eyes would be open to this understanding, yet they are not!
Once the price of the PS3's production can be lowered again, then and only then will we see a price cut! Even then I don't see the reduction in cost being much! Didn't see this mentioned yet, so forgive me if this is a repeat. Oh, and before I go on, I'm certainly not a Sony fanboi or apologist. However...
The_KFD_Case, the article you mentioned regarding HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray ownership segregated stand-alone Blu-Ray players versus PS3 machines, just as they did HD-DVD stand-alone players versus the HD-DVD add-on for the 360.
If you add the numbers,you have 16% of the sample base owning a Blu-Ray player after the third year of Blu-Ray being available on the market. In comparison (and to be fair), you have 14% for HD-DVD (HD-DVD stand-alone plus 360 HD-DVD add-ons). Both numbers eclipse the 13% penetration that DVD had three years after it was introduced to the market.
Also, you've had a couple of Blu-Ray titles (The Dark Knight and Iron Man) that sold over 20% of their volume via Blu-Ray, and the Dark Knight still continues to sell well past the two million mark (in the US at any rate). If you're a businessman, you stand up and notice that as a trend worth supporting and throwing money behind.
Yeah, the PS3 is expensive, and Sony are flaming idiots for not dropping the price anywhere in the foreseeable future, but one area that Sony is actually doing well (despite itself) is Blu-Ray, and the major studios are jumping on board and are noticing the upward trend that this format has.
And frankly, if you don't think that the next Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo systems down the road won't use Blu-Ray, then I've got a bridge in Nebraska I'd like to sell you. :)
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BTW, the article that started this flamebait is
http://hothardware.com/News/Bluray-Adoption-Still-Sluggish-HDTV-Sales-Up/. Just for reference--and if you read it, you'll see it's as one-sided as a story on the Fox News Channel.undefined Ahhhh, home made bread. It's worth it for the smell in the kitchen alone.
Although I do find the crusts very tough sometimes.
Overall, Sainsbury's seeded batch ftw etc. They crash less, the games run on any mac without haveing to upgrade bits (ommiting the power PC only mac's, which are very old now)... thats the point i'm trying to make!
People who throw stones should learn to read first.
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In which case are you suggesting that the machines manufactured for the asian market cost significantly less to make than those for the european market?
If they reduce the price correctly then they will make far more from the game sales related to each single console than they lose in selling the console at a reduced price. After all they sold PS2 at a loss for much of its life and the xbox was sold at a loss for it's whole life. »
You will still have to upgrade the Graphics card and CPU on a mac once the games need a higher spec. »
Oh yes. As soon as a freshly baked loaf exits the oven, it fills my kitchen. You are right about the crusts. You do need a srarp breadknife. 2 smells I love in the kitchen, freshly baked bread and frying bacon in the morning... Aaaah... Ok, now I have a craving for a bacon sandwich :)
I like the farmhouse loafs if I have to buy one. Doesn't toast at well though.
I am glad we managed to go off topic on a subject more pleasant than the chavs debate :) »»»
How much do Sony make per game? Considering most of the exclusives are first party, I'd think they must do pretty well on them. With an attach rate of what, seven per console and then BR disc sales, accessories etc, there must be room for a price cut in there somewhere! And there are lots of components in a games console, the tech must be getting gradually cheaper all the time.
I'd be very surprised if Sony are THAT close to the edge to not be able to take a greater hit on the RRP. But nobody knows their strategy for sure. If they lowered the price and increased sales by 20%, I'm sure they'd be happy.
Either way there is a risk and in various people's opinions they'll probably be damned what ever they do.
Games console = booze. Games = the rest of the supermarket. Personally if the market can sustain three consoles, then that's more choice and is fine by me! »»I'm sorry but Warbutons toast loaf just pisses all over any other bread. its as soft as a cloud, also makes great toast as well. the chav comment is pathetic really...
only reason chavs bought the original ps was because they had every game under the sun pirated for **** all.
since the ps3 doesnt have pirated games on it, and the 360 DOES. what console is really for the chavs?! No...I'm pretty sure they're mainly coming from you. :P
Didn't you read the article on here a month or so ago about Playstation being the "top brand for teenagers"?
Also, bear in mind that although games aren't easily pirated on the PS3 just about everything else is. For example, I couldn't drag MP3's off disc on to my 360's harddrive but I could easily do so with the PS3.
An absolute haven for pirated films/music.
:roll: @Squall-
I haven't read every comment in this thread but I kind of hope you're joking with yours.
I'm 23, I make a way above average wage from my main job and additional income side businesses. I'm a bit of a technophile- I have a nice car and most electrical goods you would expect- HDTV in the living room, kitchen and bedroom, iPod Touch, 360, Wii, DSi, gaming PC, home server box, home security system, bunch of networking equipment, you get the picture.
I'm not willy waving my earnings, the point I'm trying to make is despite all this I'm STILL put off by the PS3's pricetag. Especially as I already own a 360, I find it very hard to justify it to myself when I have several excellent gaming platforms.
If I'm still put off (and I'm sure there's many like me) how the hell are they going to get average Joe with room in his live for one gaming system to pick the damn thing up?
Sony are completely out of touch and once again manage to use their PR and marketing to alienate knowledgeable consumers (because only they will ever read these articles) even further, sigh. Indeed...their argument just seems to be a poor excuse for their refusal to drop the price. »»»»
Maybe, but that's not a yes or no, it could cost less or more to run a PS3 in different countries. Appliance assembly and parts could differ with country code's! Its down to global trade consumerism! An example of this. I.E why does it cost more to purchase a pint in a London pub than it does in a Cardiff pub or buy a packet of smokes in a London newsagent's than its does in a Cardiff newsagent's! Consumer Tax and V.A.T differ in countries, which effect purchase price and profit! so yes it may be slightly cheaper to buy a PS3 in Japan than it is here in Britain, but the reason is down to the governments intake(tax and V.A.T) on the product itself as well as production cost! So many issues effect the product price so it goes all the way back to the production price of the hardware! but that's my opinion!!!
If they reduce the price correctly then they will make far more from the game sales related to each single console than they lose in selling the console at a reduced price. After all they sold PS2 at a loss for much of its life and the xbox was sold at a loss for it's whole life.
do you think so? Logically I don't think they do, every game sold needs a console to play it on! but the game profits need to be divided for the companies involved in the games production! so the games production company, the production companies holding company, and then advertising rights, and then Sony get sniff of the cash, which ain't as much as you think! Now though, PS3 is Sony's own product and therefore gets all the profit! So once a profit starts being made on a product then that't the companies main mean of income to move forward! who gives a **** if you can drag and drop mp3's onto your ps3 - thats what you want! its not piracy you dipshit, youve already illegally aquired them off your pc by this time - or else you've BOUGHT the disc!! really grabbing at straws there mate, why would you say restrictions on moving music to your console is a good thing?!!
Nielsen: Wii audience is youngest, PS3 audience is oldest
i.e. 360 in the middle (younger than ps3) I had been working in this office for just over a year, it wasn't a great job but it paid the bills. I was the junior manager and most of the time I was left to run the place as I liked, most of the staff were women with a few men doing the mainly engineering type stuff and were normally out on calls. Everyone got along pretty well apart from one, the typing manager Kim. Not a stunning women but still in good shape for someone in her late thirties, about 5'6" long hair normally put up. Dressed well but, I had been warned off her because she was a real nasty piece of work. Officially she was answerable to me, however because she had been there longer than anyone else she had the ear of the senior mangers and normally got her way at my cost. It was a shame; because of her the moral in the office was lower than it should have been.
That morning I had arrived at work in a good mood after all it was Friday, early finish and a weekend planned out, a bit of overtime, meeting friends, partying and with a bit of luck a leg over. Walking through the office I noticed Sue bending over a desk. I couldn't resist the chance and gave her a slap on the arse as I passed. She stood up shocked and gave a little yelp, then realising it was me smiled and Said "I'll get you back for that" "you can try I replied" and carried on into my office. I should explain that Sue and myself had been friends for a number of years and had been an item for a short while but that was as teenagers. I still had a soft spot for her but she was engaged now to a mutual friend so I had to behave.
What I hadn't seen was that Kim was already in work and had seen the incident. The rest of the day was quiet till just after four O'clock when Sue rushed into my office crying. "What wrong I asked?" Through her sobs Sue explained that Kim had seen the incident that morning and was going to take disciplinary action recommending dismissal!. I told her to forget about it, as I would sort it out and told her to go home.
As Sue left my office I watched her pick up her things and head home, wondering if there was really anything I could do. I sat there, as the office emptied, lost in my thoughts, in fact so deep in thought was I that I hadn't noticed Kim appear in the doorway. She had a sly grin as she entered and said "I'm going to get Sue fired and you may have to go too" angered by her statement I arose from chair rounded the desk and headed for the door. "Running away are we" she chuckled "no" I replied "I'm off to see the HR manager" "You're be lucky he's off playing golf with the other senior managers, Its just you and me boy". I stood motionless in the doorway; I could feel my anger building for what she had done and calling me boy in a condescending manner just made things worse.
I turned towards her shutting the door behind me; she was stood with her back to my desk. I walked towards her till I was almost face-to-face; she still had that grin on her face. Before I could say anything she said, "You can't frighten me Boy!" And chuckled, smugly. She was right, I knew HR would listen to her more than me, then suddenly without thinking I blurted out "you evil bitch, get your kicks out of this do you bullying Sue" the grin grew "Your just jealous, you dried up old trout you couldn't pay me to slap your arse". "You frustrated old bint" I'd barley finished what I had said when she caught me of guard with a slap from her right hand. I responded with laugh, "Now you've crossed the line bitch". Angered she tried to slap me again with her left, only this time I managed to catch her arm with my right hand, her left hand swung at me which I caught with my free hand. Using my weight I pushed her the step or so backwards against the desk. Unable to support my weight she fell backwards onto the desk with me falling on top pinning her arms to the desk, her legs dangled, kicking in the air ether side of me.
"Its your word against mine bitch, but I know I can rely on the girls backing me up for that slap" her smug grin had gone now "what's it to be? Are you willing to take on the office, and even your HR buddy couldn't help you then". I felt in control, my confidence was growing, and that wasn't the only thing that was growing much to my surprise. "What's it to be then" I spat "OK I won't take any action" she said her look now changed to one of defeat.
She clearly expected me get off her, but now my head was being ruled by something else lower down. "Would you get off me Please" emphasising the word please she said. "No" I said "Now you need to be taught a lesson" a look of fear now took over as I said "you need to learn how to have fun, so this won't happen again". With that I learnt forward kissed her hard on the mouth at first she resisted but I continued, after a short while I felt the resistance in her body fade. Lifting my head I looked at her "that wasn't so bad was it" and kissed her again before she could answer. This time I relaxed my grip on her arms, which to my relief she used and hugged me hard to her.
It was now or never, using my right hand I pulled at her blouse, in my haste several buttons pinged off as I eventually gained access to her breasts in a surprisingly skimpy bra. I buried my face in her cleavage inhaling her sweet smell whilst swiftly releasing her bra clasp and pushing the bra up to allow me to feast my eyes on her breasts. Each was topped by quite large and hardening nipples, which I greedily sucked and tweaked. Clearly she was enjoying this as she pulled my head down hard onto them.
After what seemed an age she relaxed her grip and I stood up, quickly undoing my trousers and dropping my pants to let my dick out. She raised herself on her elbows and watched me; I moved forward reaching out to pull her head towards my dick. Somewhat reluctantly she knelt down to take it in her mouth. To my surprise she took it all in sucking on it quite expertly. My hands held her head; my fingers buried in her hair, the tight bun began to undo allowing long locks of hair to fall past her shoulders. God she was good, I began to **** her head slowly then faster she knew what she was doing but I didn't care after what seemed an age I shot my cum into her mouth. She gagged at first but swallowed it all. Her eyes looked up at me, "we're not finished yet" I said you're to keep going to get me hard again.
In what seemed no time at all I was hard again from her mouth eagerly sucking my dick whilst she caressed my balls. I pushed her head off and pulled her hair to make her stand up; she looked puzzled at me as I pushed her back onto her back on the desk. Lifting her legs up either side of me her skirt rode up to her waist revealing a flimsy pair of knickers, my hand grabbed the top them and they easily gave way as I ripped them off to find a neatly trimmed bush and a very wet pussy. I pushed several fingers into whilst rubbing her clit with my other hand. This was greeted with moaning and her head rolled back. Catching her by surprise I took a step back then quickly rolled her onto her front. Moving in quickly behind her I parted her legs and rubbed my cock up and done her pussy, then suddenly I pushed it in up to the hilt in one thrust. A gasp of pain and surprise escaped her mouth as started to thrust in to her. Her gasps increased I pounded her. I grabbed a shoulder with one hand whilst I wrapped her long hair around the other. From this I pulled her head up, she moaned more as she reached her climax and I continued to pump her. She cried out for more and I obliged she seemed to building up to another climax as I was rapidly approaching my own. As she came it triggered my own climax as I shot my load deep into her.
As my limp cock slipped out of her pussy, I stood back and looked at her. The once nasty bitch lay prostrate across my desk a faint shell of the evil bitch that had entered earlier, her clothes lay around the place with her skirt screwed up around her waist. As she started to rise she looked at me, I lowered my head to her ear and spoke, "your mine now, you'll do as I say from now on at that will be the end to it understand". She nodded with a smile on her face, "now go home, but I want you in early tomorrow we have a lot do in overtime, understood?" She looked at me with a big knowing smile, I dressed quickly leaving her to sort herself and lock up. I was looking forward to overtime now China, if you are going to get banned, you may as well do in style, eh baby? Nice one!:D »»»»»
do you think so? Logically I don't think they do, every game sold needs a console to play it on! but the game profits need to be divided for the companies involved in the games production! so the games production company, the production companies holding company, and then advertising rights, and then Sony get sniff of the cash, which ain't as much as you think! Now though, PS3 is Sony's own product and therefore gets all the profit! So once a profit starts being made on a product then that't the companies main mean of income to move forward!
I think you will find that Sony make quite a bit on each game sold. PC games are around Ł20 cheaper than Console games for the simple reason that there is no license to pay. Also a significant number of the games are first party so sony will be getting all profit from these. It is well known that the business model of the console industry has always been to make the money on the games, much like the mobile phone companies sell their phones cheap and make the money from the contract. The other benefit of selling more is that the bulk purchase costs on parts come down so they can reduce the overall cost of manufacture.
Regarding the price of a pint in Cardiff compared to London. There are no cost issues it is just a simple case of people will pay more in London as everything is expensive. This is exactly why the PS3 (along with the other consoles) is so much more expensive over here, The asian market will not stand for the high price where as we will. There are tax reasons too but our higher taxes do not account for the full price difference. However Sony themselves are telling us that we do not want any price cuts and we just want features. Well I will not be getting a PS3 until they bring the price down as I am not interested in its media capabilities, I want it for games. »
Well in truth if even if you have purchased the songs on a disc you are breaking the law by transferring them to the PS3 or computer. Also I don't think Shmuppet was saying that it is a bad thing, but you yourself pointed out that the 360 was likely more of a chav magnet due to the ease of pirating. Shmuppet was I think just pointing out that piracy is also easy on the PS3 (even if it is in a slightly different way). »»
in other words he was grabbing at straws?! »»»»»»
I think you will find that Sony make quite a bit on each game sold. PC games are around Ł20 cheaper than Console games for the simple reason that there is no license to pay. Also a significant number of the games are first party so sony will be getting all profit from these. It is well known that the business model of the console industry has always been to make the money on the games, much like the mobile phone companies sell their phones cheap and make the money from the contract. The other benefit of selling more is that the bulk purchase costs on parts come down so they can reduce the overall cost of manufacture.
Regarding the price of a pint in Cardiff compared to London. There are no cost issues it is just a simple case of people will pay more in London as everything is expensive. This is exactly why the PS3 (along with the other consoles) is so much more expensive over here, The asian market will not stand for the high price where as we will. There are tax reasons too but our higher taxes do not account for the full price difference. However Sony themselves are telling us that we do not want any price cuts and we just want features. Well I will not be getting a PS3 until they bring the price down as I am not interested in its media capabilities, I want it for games.
Yes people are willing to pay more for the pint, but my point is, the cost difference is down to tax and V.A.T! not the fact that people are simply willing to pay more for it and that's that! it would make no sense at all! So if the Asian Market wont stand for high price, why is there only a Ł20 difference at best between the cost of a PS3 here in Britain than of one in Japan??? Japan being the cheaper respectively!your talking as if the Asian Market price for a PS3 would be about Ł75 cheaper when its not. You do realise that before a product is put on sale that the prices are sorted and fixed with Tax and V.A.T on them before a Retail Price is released to confirm a market median price?!! Tax and V.A.T are effected in certain areas also, which goes back to original point on pint/cigarette/house prices being different in different areas! Tax and V.A.T effect everything mate! The government would put a charge on the air we breath if they could find a legal way to do it! I'm sorry to say english but its just as easy to play pirated music and films on the 360. just plug in a flash pen or external harddrive with the offending media on it and 9/10 it runs sweet as a nut.
Although it is possible to mod a 360 to play backups. it is a royal pain in the arse and will get you banned from live. Which cuts out half the functionality of the machine and a lot of the fun for a large percentage of the 360s games as well as no dlc or arcade. Whats the point.
the only reqason that the ps3 hasn't garnered similar attention is because recordable blu ray drives and media are bloody expensive. in short the risk at the present time isn't worth the reward so no ones generally bothered. Although i do stress it is probably just as easy if not easier to pirate software for the ps3 in theory as its already a fairly simple procedure to install unix and emulators onto it. a programme to allow the amchine to play copies or run them straight from the hard drive wouldn't be too much of a stretch.
However the modding communities dream machine of this gen is definately the wii. Any idiot wiht a modicum of knowledge can get the little white box to do pretty much what ever you want. from making the machine region free to playing straight backups and running your entire library of games from an external hdd, they even run faster than on a disc as well as not having a need for additional media anymore. No functionality is lost and unless you are a complete idiot. due to the machines being so simple its a almost impossible to brick.
There you go. all the facts. in short if someone has enough knowledge and wants to get a games console to do something its not supposed to. they can. Monkey, Can the white box take me away to lollypop lane where the gum drop fairies fellate me whilst handing me wads of fifty pound notes?
Then it can’t do everything that I want it to.
Have you seen it eat its own head?
Then you haven’t seen everything. Wow! Just Wow!
Helmand Province? The Gaza Strip? The CVG Forums?
Seriously guys, what is it with all the aggro, Chavs/Paupers/Losers is a bit uncalled for is it not?
I didnt think this place could go any lower, I was wrong! Welcome to the World Championship of limbo dancing, how low can you go, how low can you go :lol: ? »»
Yup, you hit the nail on the head buddy!
When I think about it the article I read was about the brand that was best known to teenagers - i.e. they had gone around asking whether they'd heard of x y z.
"Playstation" was the brand that the most teens seemed to recognize. However, I guess that due to the price point a lot of them can't afford it.
Does that make any sense: the PS3 is the most teen-orientated console but most of the little sods can't afford one - hence why some reports state that they are generally owned by a higher age bracket.
In light of this their decision to retain the high price point seems a little ridiculous - a console for the kids which is unfortunately out of the price range of most of them. :?
In a way it's a bit like the Ł85 sandwich that Harrods sell. Regarding pints in London, commercial rents are a hell of a lot more in London, business rates are higher, running costs for businesses in London are just generally much higher, wages are higher... not sure how that applies to consoles though!
But yeah, in London people do just seem to assume that prices will be higher, and pay them regardless!
Which is why I can't stand places in cheaper parts of London that are central London prices, they're just taking the piss because they know a lot of people will still pay!
Right, back on topic... actually, sod that! »
Exactly how am I reading "but the ones it does have are better than the ones on the PC" wrong?
You should learn to write better, you might actually be able to make the point you're trying to make coherently. :roll: Just another example of Sony's arrogance and it dosn't look like its doing them any favours at the moment. I would like to see the results of a public opinion poll on this subject and then we will see how many 'people care about features over the price'.
I know quite a few people that were considering buying a Ps3 if it were cheaper, but the ridiculously high price is has put them all off. They have all got 360's now, and its not like they chose it because it was a better machine (in their opinions - not nesessarily mine), but simply the fact they now have an HD console for a third of the price the Ps3 costs. @ Sonic UK
I'll set one up on here for you. Sounds like a good idea, but Im sure a quick glance at the forums would give all the info we need. ****s *Shakes head* I am a happy PS3 owner but Sony have got it really wrong this time with the PS3 (And the PSPgo for that matter). The features are great and the machine fantastic but the price is too off putting for the majoity. Kids can't afford it and the adults sure as hell don't wanna fork out that sort of money when they can buy a (Cheap) Wii or a (Cheaper) Xbox 360 Arcade and get the same resulting happy child. Coupled with the fact that you cannot use pirate/copied games on the PS3 also adds to the costing process. Although I do not condone piracy on any system, there is no denying it sells systems (PS1 and 2 anyone?) if people know they can get cheap copied games for it.
I also understand Sony's reluctance to price drop because of production costs but they are in great danger of being priced out of the market with software companies and retailers already losing faith in them and they shouldn't think they are too big a company to lose this console war, they only need to look back at Nintendo and their Gamecube when they were being taken off the shelves at Dixons and Currys cause they weren't selling enough compared with the PS2.
IMO, they need to bite the bullet and price drop and make a loss on the console for 1/2 a year (until they can bring in line the production costs) but hopefully bring the software sales up and more importantly the DISIRABILITY back in the Playstation brand. They must lower the price and quick. Loads of people out there would love one, but when there are cheaper alternatives they will go for those. No point in all these features if your not getting enough people to enjoy them. Can I just take a moment to point and laugh at those who think not paying for an overpriced machine makes you a pauper?
I paid top whack for my PS3, and on a game time to pound ratio (not including Blu-Ray usage, this is a video game forum after all) the return has been rubbish. It has it's merits, but those merits ARE NOT enough to warrant the price tag.
Incidentally, I also paid top whack for my 360 day of release. It isn't about money, it's about the return for your investment. My 360 ratio of game time to pound makes it the best damn investment I ever made.
So, the fan boys who think it's all about the benjamins, think about this for a second... For the price of your machine, everyone else can get an alternative console, a couple games, an extra pad, a few beers and a pizza.
Anyone who thinks something being expensive means it's automatically better needs their head read.
As a footnote, I actually want to see the PS3 do well. It's an awesome dust collector, best one I ever had, but I bought it for games. The Last Guardian is my most wanted right now. I'm not an Xbot, just a disgruntled gamer. **** off sony Was in Tesco's last night and they had BlueRay players at Ł69, anyone who spends that much money on a PS3 must be thick as sh*t, if the price's of the 360 and PS3 were to be swapped around I would have a PS3.... simple as that, and to be honest, most multi-format titles look a bit better on 360. How low would you guy's have them drop the price? Lower than the 360 Arcade?
Not going to happen anytime soon.
Sony aren't going to win this by being the cheapest. Or there's the other option where they exchange/fence a number of car stereo's for the cash needed to buy the labelled item they so crave.
Hence the shell suits... no chance of any glass fragments from the smashed passenger window sticking to the fibre of their logo strewn clothing. 8) rite, it ab tim that may wade in (with tgh lesson 4 sony noobs)
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baisc, ps-crap is dogz mess. i spit on yous (pttt!)
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