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Get a life and stop jumping out of your pram you good for nothing nerds. Get. A. Job. So he wants Valve to answer to his demands? Or else what?
They're making a new game and continuing to support the old one. Get over it / grow up. Ban him from Xbox live so he can't play either. Ungrateful twerp! look how long people have been playing counter-strike.
'valve owe their fans nothing'... but they expect it. thats the problem.
its like GTA. people expect a lot from prestigeous dev houses.
raise the bar high (which they have done) and people expect it to stay high.
also check burnout. if the next game has no DLC see that uproar. Who the **** do these guys think they are to demand anything from Valve? When they paid for Left 4 Dead nowhere did it say that Valve "have" to provide DLC or support their game in any way. They paid for what's in the box and that's what they got, anything else they get they should just be happy about.
And it's not like these bitches are not going to go out and buy Left 4 Dead 2 as soon as it comes out anyway. :wink: Lol funny. They really think that they are entitled to new, free stuff. There are many games i have payed for that i have not put in as much hours as Left 4 dead and they do no content updates and/or year on year releases. Grow up people. Valve owes u NOTHING. Its their decsion to make (keep in mind, FREE) content for their games (like EA with Burnout) and now people are angry at paying for something. Grow up. no ,you see we l4d owners payed full price for an incomplete game and part of the deal was that we would get more content and valve haven't lived up to that promise. I expect itll be released in Valve Time
Honestly i love valve - they do seem to be the one company who take care of their fans, and they asked for a fair shake so i think you have to wait and see what happens. I'll be buying L4D2 specifically because itll annoy the people who have signed that boycott. Bloody Hippies. Oops, I think this movement just lost its credibility. Surely the bigger news about L4D and L4D2 is why Valve will not be developing this for the PS3:
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/19936/Why-Left-4-Dead-and-Its-Sequel-Wont-Launch-on-PS3/ I feel sorry for Valve in this situation. Valve deserve this sort of criticism the least out of almost all the developers out there. They have consistenly supported their products over the years and it seems that they are being payed back for all this good with a large slap in the face.
Other publishers/developers who treat their customers/fans with contempt have never experienced such a backlash from gamers...
Valve must be wondering why they have bothered over the years if this is the thanks they get. So many years of good will seems to mean nothing to these complainers!!! I love how it's 'he or she continues'and then everyone in the comments says 'he should' etc. I hope you're not presuming it's a guy leading up this boycott :lol: Regardless of how much content Left 4 Dead actually has, the fact remains me and my friends have played it online more than ANY other game put together, before or after Left 4 Dead's release.
The value for money in that speaks for itself (for me anyway). I imagine that most of the people (and indeed it's ring leaders) of this protest group have very empty lives if they can devote thought, feeling and time to this nonsense.
If only people cared this much about the more serious social outrages in our world. Modern gamers are ****ing spoiled.
I remember when games took half an hour to load in which time the tv would sound loike it was being horrendously tortured. To then crash or you would be presented with the monochrone delights of dizzy.
No dlc no updates, no online just an egg running round a castle.
Don't know how good it is.
And considering L4D has had an add on released that enables gamers to make thier own maps and add ons, its just bloody lazy. Make your own damn dlc you ****ing wasters.
And even if they did turn L4D2 into a bloody huge expansion chances are it would take up a truck load of HDD space on a 360, so they'd just complain about that, Also the pricing of the game hasn't been discussed yet. It could be released at a budget price. However consider how consistantly brilliant valves games are i wouldn't mind paying full price as the original has maore than justified its purchase.
Joke is if Valve hadn't announced it and just shoved it on a cupboard for a year. In the mean time milked L4D one for a bit with extra map packs and the like each costing 800 points a time and then released it. The same ****ing idiots would eat it up. Just look at COD for chris sake. You're bang on there.
I am now pretty sick of this whole story. A protest has been raised, Valve don't owe these people detailed explanations because they're shouting the loudest.
I bought L4D on my 360 not expecting too get anything extra. And I'd buy it ten times over for the amount of time and fun I've got from it.
It's like complaining that Axis: Bold As Love is only 32 minutes long. Brilliant analogy - it's worth the cover-price for the title track (and cover) alone.
I'm not sure about this - I can see both sides really...if Valve promised additional DLC, they should make good on that promise (haven't they already said that DLC will still be coming for the original following the sequel?).
However, there are far more worthy things to get this annoyed about...what about all the utterly abysmal games that are released over the years? - the ones that have truly game-breaking glitches and bugs?, the lazy ports?....it does seem as if Valve - one of the best Devs in the World - are getting a bit of a hard time over their own standards here.
:) Too true grasshopper.
Does no one remember The Orange Box?
Jebus Christ people, talk about value for money!!!
This guy is obviously some sort of crazy Fanboy and we all know what we do when Fanboys talk? Stop listening. The group had a response, why does it need to more make more demands? Though I see the rationale of saying “it could be a new menu screen” that is very unlikely, especially after the little furore that launching a sequel has caused.
Oh and Crimbo, it’s ‘paid’ not ‘payed’, if you were talking about letting rope out you would be fine, though you’re not so get it right next time! Nice bunnies. :p I hope Valve are learning their lesson from only makeing games for the whiny M$ fans, if the game was out on PS3 their would be no complaints from our fans.
So all I can say to Valve is you made your bed now lie in it or **** Off! I do agree to some extend with the boycott - although Valve have said they will continue releasing content, it would be great to know a time frame. In typical Valve style it could be months to years after the L4D2 release.
Yes we owe Valve nothing, there is no legal obligation to do anything. The trouble is they said in many an interview they were going to release additional content, to continue growing the community. I was shocked to see L4D2 being released as it does seem like all the additional content promised but in a full game.
I shall give them the benefit of the doubt for now - I shall definitely be buying it, but I would really like to know how they are integrating the L4D content into it in order to not make that game obselete.
And to all you people saying that people don't complain about all the yearly updates and shitty console ports - you should read more of the internet. I am sure all of you have an opinion of EA for example, nearly every gamer hates them (although they are getting better) BECAUSE of the yearly updates and shitty ports they do. It is unfair to all the whiners to say they are picking on Valve, everyone gets whined at, just Valve are being whined at, not for being shit, but not being their usual awesome selfs. I think you'll find the vast majority of the protesters are PC gamers. 360 owners don't really need steam forum/account logins do they tool?
Nice try though. you know, after composing that list of demands he must've looked up and saw himself sitting in a pile of his own faeces jerking off to guns and ammo magazine and said to himself 'Wow! I can't believe just how ****ing crazy I am' Hmm, I think you’ll find that it’s actually the PC gamers mostly whining about this, not the 360 ones, as they were not really expecting to get anything for free due to Microsoft’s annoying regulations over Live. To be fair though guys much as Valve owe these people nothing they do have to bear in mind unless they deliver a well informed strategy over the coming months before the sequel is released that could be a potential 27,000 sales lostand remember the numbers joining are rising every single day.
Of course Valve could just set lose the ban hammer :twisted: Did you know the cover was a balls up? They asked Jimi what he wanted, and he said something that reflected his 'Indian heritage', obviously meaning native american. And they gave the whole thing the hindu vibe we all know and love today.
That always tickles me. Such an English mistake! Well, after their second message, it's now become very obvious to me that these guys are dicks. They're starting to sound like kidnappers negotiating.
Go on Valve, give them a new main menu screen. See how mental they go. Too true... Because whether people complain or not is always dependant on what console they own...
Grow up, Tool.
Even Crimbo has managed to talk on this thread fairly sensibly... And just for the hell of it, they should make it worse than the original menu. Maybe build a virus/trojan into it too.
And an ingame button you can click if you want to complain that the campaign isn't going quite the way you wanted it to. l4d was an amazing game and well worth the money so stop complaining Just port the whole game back to the Half-Life 1 engine. Here here! And I think we 'children of the 80's are better gamers for having to go through that. Monkey Island on the Amiga on about 8 3.5inch floppy disks, for example. »
Not to mention recent rumblings that some of the old games on Commodore/Amstrad etc were actually impossible to finish so they didn't have to make the later levels...
(I like the idea of this because it makes me feel much less kack handed than I did back then)
Imagine that sort of contreversy in this internet-centric age... I don't think the spokesperson's questions are unreasonable. Whether they'll receive an answer they like, or even any kind of answer at all, from Valve is another matter. So basically they are trying to say that they don't believe Valve?
If Valve say they are still going to be updating L4D, why is that not good enough for these whiners? If they just don't trust Valve, then why don't they stop hanging around the Valve forums?
When is the 'boycott TF2' group starting? After all, Valve have announcement when the Soldier update is coming or what the content will be... Hmmm, let's see.
27,350 PC gamers with a legitimate complaint, versus a handful of bitter Xbox 360 gamers in this thread who are still pissed off because they know from their TF2 experience that they wouldn't have got the L4D content anyway, and so have lost nothing...
Sorry guys, all I can hear is you crying tears of jealousy because of the poor way Valve has treated you in the past compared to their PC gaming customers, and are now trolling PC gamers as some kind of petty revenge. Hahaha SunScramble, that's funny! »
Yeah, I was talking about that with a friend the other night because he's trying to frame a copy to put on the wall (he was having problems with the creases though).
Jimi also got into trouble for saying that he only liked 3 songs on the album - 'Little Wing', 'Bold as Love' and 'Little Miss Lover', I believe.
:) To be honest, the leader of that boycott is most likely a teenager, And he/she is enjoying the ride and the little publicity it is all receiving.
In reading that above, I now feel that the kid is backing off to be honest. as soon as a company feed's you, you cant get off the feed. Good job Valve. Now sunscramble, Valve answered the calls of those fans in the group, though those answers were met with derision and more demands. Are Valve the type of company who are likely to palm off a new title menu as more content?
It's all about Castles Made Of Sand anyway. Why aren't all PC gamers aggressive consumers like this?! The way we get treated because of how supine most PC gamers are (watch how anyone talking about a PC gaming negative get flamed in a way gamers talking about a positive don't!), with buggy product, lack of support, heavy DRM,etc.
It's the same on the PC gaming media front as well, with a non investigative media, interviews that are borderline press releases and the opposite of 'hard hitting', as well as a regurgitation of publisher marketing with no editorial overseeing or comment. Certainly the media didn't ask Valve 'what content?' did they?
Every now and again something like this happens, but the media should be aggressive like this most of the time and PC gamers should be much more willing to look at PC gaming as a whole.
Top many gamers will glibly say 'PC gaming is doing fantastic - we've got Dragon Age coming out in 6 months, haven't we?!' Well, do they,or you, really think one game makes a market? And yet if you say that one title is not a good enough reason for saying PC gaming is doing great you will be insulted by half a dozen gamers saying, in so many words, 'how dare you!'!
We as gamers,and the gaming media, need to be much more grown up! We're not in the world of Zzap 64 with 16 year olds editing games magazines! It's a professional market now and the industry is generally running rings around us consumers and the media that is supposed to support us!!!! ..i got slaughtered previously for daring to suggest that the reaction to L4D2 was perhaps a bit on the harsh side.....glad i am not the only one..... Well, Valve have only got themselves to blame for the current mess, they were one the ones selling 'Left 4 Dead' as "a service, rather than a stand-alone game", and proudly boasting about all the sweet, sweet content that potential (PC owning) purchasers would be getting for their money.
Now they've come out and said "Wait Until Tomorrow", which is better than nothing, but they still haven't actually answered the big questions that the community have politely asked.
I'm sure If 6 Was 9 and they'd given a more specific (and plausible) answer to what happened to the missing content, then that boycott group would wither down to a hand-full of honest-to-god whiners, and the rest of 'em would go back to worshipping Valve, AKA. Business as usual.
At the moment though, there just Aint' No Telling what Valve are planning, but nobody's swallowing the line that 'Left 4 Dead' is going to get anywhere near the kind of support they sold it as having. Why can't Valve, probably the hardest working team in the business, be allowed to get on with it. What are they working on right now. HL2 Ep.3, L4D updates, L4D2, TF2 updates, Portal 2, and likely a few secret projects (I would expect HL3 to be announced sometime this year - before Ep.3 is released) and (I hope) some kind of sequel to Day of Defeat.
Valve could easily have released the HL2 episodes as full releases, but they didn't. They could have released the major TF2 updates as full games, but they didn't. They could have charged us, but they didn't.
My point. Valve do enough for us. Just leave them to get on with what they do best. What the f**k is wrong with these people and all you posters in any way in favor of this ridiculous geeky out cry?!?!?!
Valve owe you NOTHING! They make a game, you buy it. If they want to make another one, they can. Where this idea that they HAVE to provide you with free updates comes from is beyond me. Oh wait, they said they would give you free updates? Well they are. LFD2 has LOADS of new content and you just want it for free? YOu think for some inexplicable reason that it is owed to you and any attempt to charge you for it is some terrible betrayal?
First, as a company Valve are probably the absolute best at supporting their games post launch and they have been for years.
Second **** your stupid petition and **** you. you bunch of fickle, sad, wanky *****. I can not describe how much I utterly detest every single one of you. The world would LITERALLY be a better place if you didn't exist. Ouch, my forum-rage detector just blew up in my face.
Taking this a little bit personally, aren't you? Im not one of those who will be boycotting the second Left for dead cause I won't be buying it. The first one was just not for me to be kind. I do on the other hand agree with the stand being taken. Valve promised so much to the community admitting the game needed a lot more. They sold the first one to the majority on the back of those promises. Now they have shafted the community and those promises. Do I think the boycott will win NO. Valve will as they always do. The boycotters will eventually buy the game if they are not first in line already by then. The main thing to come form this is to the players don't believe a word valve spit out. Its all hype and spin and will not be honoured. Personally I can't see what all the fuss is about. They made Left 4 Dead, which is thoroughly awesome, though it was sparse. Valve said there would be DLC, there has been a bit so far, and they have said there will be more.
Left 4 Dead 2 has a load of new ideas and things they couldn't fit in first time around, more than could conceivably be made DLC. Two choices: either we are still sat here waiting for the original, or a sequel was made.
Everyone knew what they were getting with Left 4 Dead. It was only 4 scenario's, and a couple modes. Everyone knew this. Usually if a game is successful and has a fan base, when a sequel is announced everyone jumps for joy. Hell, there are several franchises I buy the yearly updates of, buying a sequel a year down the line isn't new or unusual!
Sounds like there are 25,000 people out there in need of a little perspective. Ah, the old "We had these extra Campaigns for you, but they all got accidentally jumbled together, now it's too big and we must charge you the price of a whole new game. How clumsy of us." defence.
Yes. Everyone knew this. Everyone knew what they were getting. Valve were explicit in telling everyone what they were getting. Everybody knew. Everybody.
Oh, hang on. What Valve said people were getting and what you said people were getting are two completely different things. You'll have to pardon me for taking Valve's words on this issue.
Sounds more like you don't really know what's going on here. How can you claim to have any perspective, when as we've just discovered together, you don't actually know what's going on?
Or are you claiming they have no perspective because they're complaining about a videogame? Because if that's the case, what with you being in here complaining on a videogame-related issue... They are scamming valve for update spoilers. End of... :idea: I love how the group ask all these cynical questions about what the content will include - when we all know that Valve have never given DLC that's been simply "A new main menu"...
After the games and community activity Valve have supplied over the last few years, it's just sheer audacity that 'fans' of the game/dev would show such disloyalty. To be fair, this is one tiny little thread on a multiformat website that doesn't really cover PC gaming that extensively versus the forum on a site which is pretty much exclusively dedicated to PC gaming.
I never expected to get anything extra myself. I can understand people being pissed off to some degree, but to me, a lot of it smacks of too much self importance/indignation, so I think is ripe for a bit of light hearted ridicule (I appreciate various posters may have gone beyond that!). If Valve had announced they were going to be charging PC users for all additional content, on all games, I could understand this reaction perfectly.
It reminds me of the Barcelona fans' reactions towards Figo when he went to Real Madrid: "We hate you because we loved you so".
Some people, for some weird psychological reason, just don't want the owners of any other system to be happy. There's not much you can do about prats like that unfortunately. The main argument in this thread has been that vakve owe the fans nothing. The same can be said of the fans. They owe valve nothing. Disloyalty my ****. "Valve could easily have released the HL2 episodes as full releases".
You have to be joking, right? 5 hour gameplay games for £39.99???? I don't know about you, but I don't have money to burn, and maybe, unlike you, I have rent to pay and stuff!!!
There's a reason The Orange Box sold by the bucket load!!! »»
Anybody remember Epyx's Summer and Winter Games? Each event had to load seperately, and if you wanted to go back and replay one, you had to rewind the tape back to a VERY specific point. Get it wrong by even a fraction, and the tape would just keep playing til it reached the end. We, as kids, never moaned about Monty On The Run not being long enough, or Impossible Mission being, well, impossible to complete. We never felt ripped off that Paradroid only had one ship to dominate, or cheated at playing Ghostbusters for hours, only to be stamped on by the Marshmallow Man at the very end, forcing us to start all over again!
And that, is why us older gamers will never bitch about a game having not having enough DLC (anything extra is just a bonus), or a 30 second load time between levels. Give these kids a C64 and see how long they last! (but not mine. I'm keeping it) »»»
Hear, hear! (again). Moaning little turds the lot of 'em...
(or the same age us as and still live with their elderly mothers whom they shout at in an inappropriately loud voice in the middle of Morrisons.) »»»
**** it, lets just go back to the days before Television and radio. Why not just **** modern life completely and go and find a cave......because, you know that's what we used to do way back when.
Get a grip man. Yes, I remember those days with no end of joy.
Mainly, of course, because all of those games you mentioned used to cost somewhere between £1.99 and £2.99 a shot for most of their retail life. »»
I know he rarely played Axis stuff live, only Little Wing with any regularity I think.
I'd go with Up From The Skies, the title track and One Rainy Wish. Oh and Castles... but it's pretty amazing (Noel's song aside).
I was just looking at it's wiki entry, apparently Roy Wood (of Wizzard fame) sang backing vocals on You Got Me Floatin'. What a lovely slice of pop trivia there! THIS... IS... RIDICULOUS...
you can't ask valve what their plans are, the boycott is just sounding like an angry child demanding to have more cake, not only that but it wants to know exactly whats in its cake and when it'll be getting the said cake.
Please stop doing this its stupid, its A GAME.
the fact that 27000 people have signed, i only did it so i could spam hate onto their forum, shows that this games community is of a size that splitting into two wont make a difference, you're unlikely to ever play with the same people again unless you specifically invite them. SO STOP COMPLAINING, its tiresome, boring, and is ruining everyone elses fun who just want more zombie goodness, i don't care if i have to by a sequel, i couldnt care less if they made it into a damn trilogy i love the gameplay and will happily pay a full price for more content. That's e-f*cking-nough!
Dizzy was awesome. Well, some of the sequels anyway. Is it just me or has everyone forgotten about Episode 3? When the heck is that one coming out?? I can't understand why they aren't asking the question that occured to me immediately after I heard the news about the sequel... Why can't this be downloadable content for the first game - even paid for DLC?
The cynic in me says it's because they know damn well that a full priced release would sell much better than DLC for the original release priced half as much (as bizarre as that sounds).
Basically, I think I agree with the boycott. I certainly won't be getting L4D2, and honestly, can you really see Valve supporting L4D for a long time once the sequel is out? Some people have nothing better to do then complain about something trivial... try helping to change the world! PROTIP: Gabe Newell will not fellate you for your white-knight antics.
Valve screwed up by failing to properly manage their customer's expectations.
During any number of interviews they promised more weapons, characters, campaigns and monsters.
So far they have delivered some good stuff, but nothing like what they promised.
Lots of people were willing to pay the full launch-price because they wanted to get the game out of the door, and had faith that Valve would deliver the content that they advertised.
I'm no lawyer, but this seems to border on violating a unilateral verbal contract. At the very least it's a case of false advertising.
Unless of course, they do release the new content they promised.
The problem is once again customer expectations. In an industry screwed sideways by leperous DLC that seems to flake off of the retail version and then get released a couple of months down the line as a seperate product, people expect the announcement of the sequel, along with Valve showing off a number of things they promised would be added to the first game, would sound the original's death knell.
This is not an unreasonable assumption given the state of the industry, and all Valve needs to do to restore the confidence of 25,000+ customers is to tell them that they will deliver on their promises, specifically adding: weapons, characters, campaigns and monsters.
To those dropping ad-hominems and idiotic vitriol all over this thread: You are the whiners, the losers with too much time on your hands, the pathetic fanboys, because you get so worked up over someone criticising valve, and because you fail to understand the situation or even research it before unleashing your hateful bile.
The boycotters are trying to get what they paid for, to get Valve to uphold their end of the deal where it appears they might be wavering.
The boycotters evidently know the value of their money, those willing to do business with a company you can't trust obviously don't.
I know Valve have been good to us, and I sincerely hope that they continue to do so. I don't want to have a reason to not buy L4D2.
I'm willing to wait and reserve judgement until Valve makes a real announcement about this, as should we all, but I'm not going to buy L4D2 at launch if Valve prove me wrong about wanting to trust them.
The demand for an explanation is not unreasonable at all. Valve have shaken their customers' confidence, now they can restore it, or smash it. Valve do not deserve this kind of criticism, and that, in theory, is exactly the reason why they're getting it. They have raised the bar, as well as peoples hopes and expectations, and taken this sudden U-turn with this l4d2 game. Being a hardcore gamer and a huge valve fan, I feel the anger of those boycotting and I will be joining them. ill give up gaming before I see valve turn into another EA. sorry guys. But Valve has stated that they are going to release more free content for the original & yet people still complain just about something else ie it will split the communities!
I feel sorry for Valve in the sence that they provided a great title I have L4D on 360 & although its short its £30 well spent for me as I greatly enjoy replaying it & am looking forward to the sequel.
Valve next time just dont make any promises about dlc content & let them buy the game & just be grateful when they get a surprise in the form of new content that way they cant scream that they were ripped off or you never lived up to your end of the deal etc
If anyone should be whining its 360 L4D players who will not be getting any extras for free but most likely paid more for their version of the game to begin with so just be grateful you got something & stop crying like babies You, my friend, are The Man.
Thank you for spelling it out so damn clearly. Oh enough already. Like games companies have a hard enough time making money with problems such as pirating (killed demigod) and the global recession squeezing profit margins.
L4D is a whole game, and L4D 2 will be awesome. Its Valve and so far they have been pretty damn good to their customers, like no other game company or console manufacturer.
so stop your childish whining you spoilt little boys. What's the big deal? If you don't want Left 4 Dead 2, then don't buy it. Easy as that. The one group of people that seems to be missing in most of the comments on the boycott group site and the articles on the web are the server owners.
As a server owner, I support L4D by paying for 4 West Coast servers out of my own pocket that have had in total roughly 17000 players since they were started 4 months ago. As well, I work for a server company that provides numerous servers for TF2, L4D, CS:S and other Valve games.
One disturbing trend I have seen is the daily cancellation of L4D servers. Since the 'Survival Pack' the company I work for has seen a 70% increase in server cancellations of servers that service Central North America and the West Coast. That number increases daily.
The biggest drop was right after the 'Survival Pack' when people began to realize how minor the changes actually were. Most people played Survival mode until they got the achievements and then moved back to Co-op or Versus. We lost 45% of the servers within days of that release.
The second spike was right after the news about L4D2. That was about 20% of the servers. The other 5% has been just due to attrition since the DLC was released.
Now, obviously there have been new servers started, but the total loss of server coverage totals about 70% in the company I work for, and I work for a shitty little hole in the wall no one even knows about. In actual numbers that means about 110 servers are now shut down in the past couple months with my employer alone. I wonder how this has affected Gameservers or Darkstar.
I should mention that most of the people canceling servers have been very vocal about why they're canceling them, and I agree with the majority of their reasons, especially about the release of L4D2.
So, I pose this question to you, do you think splitting the games community base will increase or decrease the number of servers for both games?
Secondly, do you think server owners that are canceling their servers will be rushing out to start a L4D2 server after they feel that they've been burned by Valve?
The answers are pretty obvious.
All you flame-baiters screaming about the boycott group being a bunch of whining retards might want to think about that, because without the server owners, you'd have no where to play either game.
As for myself, I don't have any choice but to 'get' the game since it's purchased for me by my employer for troubleshooting and testing. However, I'll be shutting down my servers the day L4D2 is released unless both games can be serviced by a single server and other significant issues about the release of L4D2 are satisfactorily dealt with by Valve. It's evidence like this guy's post that shows that the boycotters are the reasonable ones. All I've seen from the other side of the argument is a lot of hateful accusations.
I will be getting L4D2 as stated before, but I agree with their points. Change the world? It's little things like this that add up to the big things. Don't be so naive.......how exactly do you think policies get changed in the first place.
This all may be trivial to you, but it's business and as far as I'm aware business encompasses all.
Yes, this is a videogame issue so it will not get the respect it deserves as it's not life or death. But you start letting things like this slide what else are you willing to compromise on?
Our entertainment industries are getting bigger because of our disillusionment when it comes to forming our perceived destinies. We do not have any control over any big issues. We escape into our tvs because we can control that little world. We go onto forums to discuss our passion about these fantasy worlds. Why the **** shouldn't people complain when these developers and publishers, who we pay our hard earned money, start underdelivering what was promised at the start?
When your entertainment starts getting messed with, then what? Solve the starvation in Africa? C'mon, I thought people realised that that stuff is totally out of our power and is far more complicated than you have given thought to. Getting a developer to explain why they've gone back on what they had initially stated is a hell of a lot simpler to solve. Ah, the good old Mastertronic days. I'm tempted to give The Last V8 a shot right now. That was another one I could never finish! Somebody please ask Rob Hubbard to come back to games! Ok, look. Let's get some real perspective on this and then perhaps we can put this subject to rest once and for all. What IS L4D? Well, it's a game with people and zombies. The people have to kill the zombies......err.....that's all I've got. Peace! To be honest, I'm beginning to reappraise my stance on Zombies, it seems like they're always getting the short end of the stick. I mean, they can't be all that bad. You never see them getting into forum flame-wars, or large-scale deforestation, or any of those things, and I've definitely never heard a Zombie make any racist of homophobic comments in anybody's direction.
I might see if I can extend the Boycott to not only get us the missing content we'd paid for, but to also ensure that Zombies' rights are respected.
...maybe replace the Zombies with Chavs for L4D2, or something...
Yeah, that would definitely add some extra value to the expansion. .... If you're one of the last 3 companies still supporting PC, you can be as arrogant as you want. Valve are showing they don't care - because they don't HAVE to care.
There will be, for the first time ever, less than a dozen AAA PC game releases from the major publishers this year. Based on little news of 2010, that could drop to less than 10.
Is it any wonder 360 and C64 and retro in general have been mentioned in this thread? If you are a PC gamer, with no console or interest in console gaming, you just have to take what's offered nowadays. beggar's can't be choosers, and Valve and EA and Blizzard know that.
That's why we are seeing shorter and shorter games at the same retail price (Mirror's Edge, Dead Space, etc) we are seeing multiple games being released where it used to be one game (Starcraft II with each alien side in a separate full price game), and why we get DLC that costs more than a full game when gameplay hours is taken into account. (5 hour EP1 and 2 for £20 RRP, £5 horse armour, etc.)
Just death throws of a once glorious gaming format. What a cock who the hell is he/she to demand Valve tell them what extra content will be in their game Just get a life it is a computer game that cost £40 at max am sure everyone has had £40 worth of fun out of L4D. A game centered around a massive Chav hunt? Now THAT'S something I'd pay good money for! | 
