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Contents 1 Allies 2 Rann Thanagar War and Superman-Prime 3 Geoff Johns 4 Alan Moore

[edit] Allies

Are the listings of Superman, Batman, Flash, and Justice League really necessary? None have been central to the GL story. In addition, when we look at the templates for Batman or Superman, both of these characters do not list allies, as the characters/mythos/supporting characters are strong enough to exist with out drawing from the greater DC universe, which I feel is also the case for GL. 66.109.248.114 —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 20:14, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

Since Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner, John Stewart, and Guy Gardner have all been JLA members (and since Jordan is currently) it is relevant. Batman, Superman and Flash are three heroes in particular that are closer to the 2814 Lanterns than others, especially Batman and Flash. 67.171.31.204 08:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Superman, Batman, Flash, and the Justice league are all very important to the Green Lantern story line. They all played key roles in various story lines which have a Green Lantern character as a central role (Zero Hour, Hero Quest, Ion Saga, Final Night, etc). They played just as important role in the stories as the Lanterns themselves. Also characters like the Flash and Green Arrow were both considered close friends to Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner at different points.Cpesacreta 07:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I am not trying to marginalize the significance of the relationship of Superman, Batman and the Flashes with any of the GL's, but those relationships while interesting and adding dimension to the DC universe are not exclusive to the Green Lantern stories. None of those characters, with the exception of Green Arrow, have a supporting role in the regular series or GLA Corps (guest stars and cameoes do not count as supporting roles). Under both your arguments, it would make more sense to list simply the Justice League, rather than those characters individually; however in doing so questions of the Detroit and Europe Justice Leagues (which included no GL's) point to the fact that while significant, GL's are not necessary to the Justice League story. In short, look at the other comic character templates: Batman and Superman don't appear on eachother's templates; Spidey's doe not have the Hulk or Wolverine on them. As it stands the template is more fanboy than encylopedia. 66.109.248.114 01:38, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely. Green Lantern's friendship with those characters is a subset of his membership in the JLA but these characters have not been introduced nor developed in the GL series. The only one to have had a development in the GL series is Green Arrow (during the O'Neil/Adams years). --Leocomix 08:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Wally West made numerous developmental appearances in Green Lantern when Kyle Rayner was the Lantern of focus. If you include any other members of the JLA, it would be West. They were also shown as close friends in the Grant Morrison JLA run. --CmdrClow 06:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't think so. Flash had its own series all along while Green Arrow was a co-feature with GL. Flash's main development was in his own series. GA's development when he was a co-feature was in the GL/GA. Plus GL and GA lived together while Flash and GL only met for crossovers or guest appearances. The special friendship between Flashes and GLs deserves mention in their respective articles but not in a GLtemplate. Simply put Flash is not and never will be part of the GL universe. Reading a Flash article will teach you next to nothing about GL, so why put it there? Ifthere had been a regular co-feature (like Batman/Superman in World's Finest, Green lantern/Green Arrow, Power Man/Iron Fist) instead of the Brave and the Bold mini I might think dfferently.--Leocomix 07:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

By developmental, I meant in terms of relationship between Kyle and Wally, not character development. They were regularly featured as antagonists and then partners in Grant Morrison's JLA run. The seeds for their very friendship were planted in Morrison's first JLA arc, New World Order. It's all in the pages. --CmdrClow 01:07, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rann Thanagar War and Superman-Prime

Rann Thanagar War is not a GL storyline. While Kyle, Killawog and Jade appear and it, and Jade dies that story does not center on GL's or their mythos. This would be stating that the massive Crisis on Infinite Earths storyline is a Flash or Supergirl story. A good storyline, but not GL storyline. Generally GL stories, appear in the pages GL books or feature the characters in primary (not supporting) roles. In short, leave the RTWar out of the template. 66.109.248.114 23:36, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

No. Because of the significance on the GL Corps and cast of characters, as well as the story directly tying into the events of Green Lantern Corps: Recharge, it counts as a significant story in the GL category. Just because a story is set in the whole of the DCU, doesn't make it's nobility towards a certain cast limited. If we go by your logic, then we should also remove The Final Night. It was a DCU story as well, but also happened to include the death of Hal Jordan and his becoming the Spectre. No, RT War has a place in the template (as does Final Night). If you want to create contributions of merit, I suggest registering a username with Wikipedia. --CmdrClow 01:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

The primary point of the Final Night story was the death of Hal Jordan, which was stated in solicitations and is clearly implied in the title. Jade's death, however meaningful, was secondary to the storyline; in addition, Jade's death, as a supporting character, can not carry nearly the same level of weight as Jordan's. Further, Sinestro, Parallax and the Cyborg all have established histories against the Corps, that to this point Prime has not. I would not be opposed to the removal of Cyborg (I thought that the destruction of Coast City meritted his inclusion). I have adjusted the discussion point to include Prime. Finally, whether I choose to log on or not, does not change the vality of my edits and argument. 66.109.248.114 22:33, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

You're missing his point. He's not placing Jade's death in the same league as Jordan's. He's simply saying that because the RT War had Rayner and Kilowog playing an important role, and because Jade's death directly influenced Kyle, it makes it a worthy entry. Prime now has an established history against the Corps as a Herald of the Anti-Monitor. He's a pretty fierce member of the Sinestro Corps, and that is why he belongs. --208.110.144.179 23:51, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I think I get the point, I just don't agree. The role of Kilawog and Kyle, we're supporting, not starring roles. The focus of the story was not on the GL corp, but the cosmic war and it's lead-in to the Crisis. I wholly agree that SBP is fierce and really cool, but until he doesn't something of merit in the series besides sit on a planet, I don't agree with him as a "major villian." Ferocity and coolness aside, what has SBP done to a GL character to that makes him a major villian (destroyed a city, killed a girlfriend or been a regular adversary for over a decade), notarity and fan appeal does raise the characters significance in the greater publication history of Green Lanterns. 66.109.248.114 02:34, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Geoff Johns

Removing Geoff Johns as a significant creator is just wrong. Without Johns we wouldn't have any of the mythos revived, as well as all of this new stuff like the fear anomaly, the Guardians now being of two sexes, 2 members of the Corps for each sector, Rebirth, Corps: Recharge, the new monthly, or Hal Jordan returned. He has a place there. --CmdrClow 03:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Revival does not equate to creation. Parallax was never in any incarnation a Green Lantern. Emotional manifestions are not Green Lanterns. Johns is a great writer, but he is not a creator. 66.109.248.114 20:20, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not just revival, it's significant revision as well as additions to the mythos. You're selling his contributions to GL way too short. Besides, your overlooking his creations for Recharge, and very significant revisions to the emotional manifestations that are only present in GL stories. --CmdrClow 23:43, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alan Moore

Would it make sense to add Alan Moore as one of the creators? He (and Dave Gibbons) did after have a big hand in creating Mogo, among other things. Umbralcorax 17:45, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

It might be something to consider, but then again Moore didn't do these huge wholesale changes like Geoff Johns or Ron Marz have done. My first instinct would be no, but we'd have to see. --CmdrClow 07:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)