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Sentenced to Death
Sentenced to Death

Former Kurdish military leader Delair Shukri discusses the impact of Saddam Hussein's death sentence

Nov. 6, 2006

Court TV Host: Chat about Saddam Hussein with Delair Shukri, a former Kurdish militia leader who says he was in a northern Iraqi village allegedly gassed by Saddam Hussein in March 1988. He was just on Catherine Crier Live, and he's going to be here to answer your questions.

Court TV Host: Our guest is here...Welcome, Mr. Shukri. Thank you for being our guest online. Anything you'd like to say before we go to questions?

Delair Shukri: I'd like to say how the death penalty for Saddam Hussein is affecting the process in Iraq. From my point of view, 85 % or more of the Iraqi people have suffered under his regime, and when they heard the death penalty for Saddam, they all were really happy - it was a big day for them because they think that justice has been served for thousands of Iraqi people, which then can affect the process in Iraq in a lot of ways. Most of the Iraqi people support the U.S. and its allies - they are going to stay behind them and support them until the job will be done. And second, it's going to give them a message that there's no dictator's rule anymore in Iraq. That's going to encourage them to participate more and better in the democratic processes in Iraq. All of this will make it easier for the Iraqi troops and people and the U.S. and allies there, to make the process go much better and much faster.

Question from calico: Where and how will he be executed?

Delair Shukri: I would like to be back in Iraq - especially for me, like a Kurd, to be in the town of Halabja, where he killed in one day 5000 innocent people in one day and injured more than 10,000 people in that same day. That's not just my hope, it's the Kurdish people's hope - they hope that Saddam Hussein will be hanged in Halabja. I talked to people yesterday and today in Kurdistan, and that's what they said.

Question from tara: Mr. Shukri, will this be a public hanging, and how long until you think it will take place?

Delair Shukri: I don't think it will be a public hanging - if it's going to be in the south, I don't think so. From my point of view, in the south, it would be a problem for the Iraqi people in that time. But if they can do it in the town of Halabja, it's possible for it to be a public hanging, and that would be better. Justice would be served better.

Question from Bubblegum: Should it be televised worldwide?

Delair Shukri: I think so. Because it's going to be a lesson for dictatorships all around the world.

Question from Bubblegum: Mr. Shukri, being in that village...what were your thoughts?

Question from tara: Mr. Shukri, What was it like being there?

Delair Shukri: It was about 4:30 or 5 in the afternoon, when the aircraft came flew over the village, 10 of them, and they bombarded the area all over the village and most of the mountain area there. And I can say we were about 700 or more people in the village. Every single one of us has been injured. Fifteen of us died right there, and the rest of us started vomiting. Our bodies were burned. I'm talking about myself, especially, after maybe about less than an hour I started vomiting so bad, more than 10 or 15 times an hour. After a while I could see my skin all over starting to burn, blisters all over. And after that, maybe about two or three hours, I feel my eyes getting blind. I could see almost nothing. And then, we helped each other to take each other's hands - and some of us were not blind yet - take us slowly to the border. And I would like to say, to give you this kind of picture: a couple of hundred people holding each others hands and going blind, we were tripping over each other, and over other bodies. We went a few hours to the border that way. The worst thing is that we did not have any kind of medicine to treat ourselves.

Question from Dani: Do you think the insurgency will continue to fight for power long after Saddam is gone?

Delair Shukri: I think it's going to bring down the insurgency - down because especially those loyal to Saddam, they would say that if he is still alive, they have hope to bring him back. But after the death penalty has been served, I think it will break down the hope and it's going to break down the power, and their money. That's what I think.

Question from Rainydaywmn: Mr. Shukri..Do you think the Iraqi people really want, and can run a democracy?

Delair Shukri: I think so. They can. It's going to take time, but it will be there. Because most of the Iraqi people are intelligent and they love their country and they have suffered a lot under a different kind of regime for 35 or 40 years, and I don't think they would like another regime like Saddam Hussein or an undemocratic regime. And they all want to have a piece of that democracy. Maybe right now, they have some disagreement of how when and where, but from my information, they are working hard.

Question from yowster933: Do you think the U.S. should have invaded Iraq? What do you think about the war there?

Delair Shukri: I think the US and its allies liberated Iraq, not invaded it. It's not only my point of view - it's the view of 85% of the Iraqi people. Let me tell you one thing to prove that - I'm talking about the Kurdish area in Iraq - Iraqi Kurdistan - the people all welcomed them and helped them to liberate different cities that were under the control of Saddam Hussein. Believe it or not, most of the families cooked them food to serve them. The Kurdish population is about one third of the Iraqi population, and if you go to the south of Iraq, it's about 60 65% Shiite, they have all suffered under Saddam's regime, and I think that's a big percentage in the Iraqi population to think it's not an invasion, it's a liberation.

Question from tara: Mr. shukri, How is your health today?

Delair Shukri: I still have a little difficulty breathing. I get really tired soon. The sensitive areas, under my arms, feel sometimes like they're itching and burning. My eyes - I think I lost about 25 - 30 % of my vision. And imagine, that's me when I came to the U.S., I got some medical help and treatment. Imagine someone who does not have that help and medical treatment.

Court TV Host: Will you testify in any of the trials against Saddam Hussein?

Delair Shukri: I am ready to do so.

Court TV Host: Thank you very much for being our guest online.

Delair Shukri: Thank you.




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