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The Enron Trial
The Enron Trial

A conversation with juror Jill Ford

August 30, 2006

Court TV Host: Our guest, Enron juror Jill Ford, is joining us now. She was just on Catherine Crier Live, and she's here with us now. Thanks for being our guest, Jill Ford.

Jill Ford: Hello. Thanks for having me.

Question from JERRY: Hi Jill: Did any of the jurors have an accounting background to get through all of that fiscal evidence or were the numbers not relevant to any of the verdicts?

Jill Ford: There were no CPAs on the jury. Some people had some bookkeeping background, and they were really good at explaining it all so that people like me could understand. The numbers weren't that relevant. It was really the deals that were illegal. Yet it was still very complicated.

Question from Cynna: Living in Houston, how did you not know about Enron?

Jill Ford: I didn't know anybody who worked there. And I was in college in Austin when Enron crashed. And I'd heard about the company, and I knew what it was, but I didn't know anyone who worked there or how it happened.

Question from David: Thanks for being here, Jill. Tell me, did you become friends with your fellow jurors and do y'all still see each other?

Jill Ford: Yes, we did. They saw us through hard times and good times over four months. We became close and would cook lunch for each other, several times a week. We do keep in touch, through e-mail. And we had a jury get-together. We're planning a reunion in January.

Question from liz: Did you and the other jurors get along well?

Jill Ford: We got along well as strangers in the beginning and then we got along as friends, and by the end, it was kind of like family.

Question from Tina: Have you ever served on a jury before. If not, what did you think about the Enron jury as your first jury to serve on?

Jill Ford: Never served before. Don't ever want to serve again. The first one was enough for me. Four months is a long time to spend in a courtroom.

Question from Cynna: Did you try to get out of jury duty, and did you know it was the Enron case?

Jill Ford: I did try to get out of it, but I didn't know enough about it to succeed.

Question from Clyde: How difficult was it to stay focused and alert, especially during all of the detailed and boring testimony?

Jill Ford: Very, very difficult. It took a lot of Diet Dr. Pepper, and I took tons of notes, because I would either write or sleep. It was difficult to understand, but once you understood it, it got very repetitive - which made it worse.

Question from Clyde: Did anyone ever fall asleep during court time?

Jill Ford: I did. Twice. The security guards would fall asleep, and members of the audience regularly slept. Other jurors struggled to stay awake - it was kind of a group effort. The judge was great about giving us breaks.

Question from Clyde: Did the judge catch you?

Jill Ford: If he noticed, he never said. If he noticed that people were falling asleep, he'd call a break. No one ever got in trouble for sleeping.

Question from Tina: Do you know who the audience members were? Were they family of those on trial?

Jill Ford: Friends and family of the defendants. Sometimes you could tell the wives of the lawyers. The same reporters were there all the time, so even though you didn't know who they were, they looked familiar. And friends and family of the jurors would visit sometimes. My dad came and got kicked out.

Question from Cortaid: Why?

Jill Ford: He came in on a break, and he didn't know he had to get a pass, and then a rude court security officer tried to take his seat and he might have called the court security officer "a glorified hall monitor" and he showed him his cell phone - which is a huge no-no. So he was told to leave. He watched the rest of Sharon Watkins from the overflow room. That security officer was already not our favorite, since he was not very nice, and from then on, we all hated him.

Question from Cynna: Who was in your opinion the best witness for the prosecution?

Jill Ford: Ben Glisan, maybe because he had already pled guilty and served most of his time when he testified. But for me, the witnesses were less important than the physical evidence. And I still think he had something to gain from testifying.

Question from Tina: Did you feel sorry for Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling?

Jill Ford: I feel sorry for everybody who's ever heard the word Enron. I'm sorry that they were stupid enough to make these mistakes. I'm sorry for both their families.

Question from Clyde: Was it difficult to not talk about the case with friends and family? Did they respect the confidentiality or did they query you?

Jill Ford: Most of my friends and family knew better than to ask questions. But at times, it was difficult because it was so stressful, and I couldn't talk about it to anybody.

Question from Tina: What is your advice to someone about to serve on a high profile jury case on how to get through it?

Jill Ford: Just remember: Innocent until proven guilty and not guilty doesn't mean innocent - it means not proven. Also, take tons of notes because it starts to get very confusing and it's good to have something to look back on during deliberations.

Question from Clyde: Has the media pretty much left you alone since the trial?

Jill Ford: The day of they were everywhere and wanted to ask questions, but I wasn't in the mood to talk. Since then, there's been no pressure, but I've felt more inclined to discuss it.

Question from Tina: Did you refer specifically to your notes during deliberations?

Jill Ford: Yes, many times. Especially with e-mails, dates, conversations - small, little details that would relate to one specific crime. Now, I refer to my notes to read the funny comments on the side. And my thoughts during the trial - that weren't about the case.

Question from Tina: What were some of your funny comments?

Jill Ford: For example, Ken Lay only wears red ties. "The woman in the front row is asleep again. If I have to be here and awake, so should she." "One the lawyers is picking his nose." Stuff like that.

Question from Clyde: Were you able to keep your notes? Will you be able to consolidate them into a book, or just keep them for posterity?

Jill Ford: I was able to keep all ten of my full legal pads, and I'd be happy to consolidate them into a book if someone asked me to. Are you a publisher?

Question from Dani: What was it like being the youngest member on the jury?

Jill Ford: It was hard at times because I was nervous that I wouldn't be taken seriously, because of my lack of life experience - I'm only 24. Being the youngest, I felt like I had to express my opinions even more strongly to be taken seriously. It wasn't always easy.

Question from greenacres: How did you feel when Ken Lay died?

Jill Ford: I cried, which surprised me. I didn't think I would be as upset as I was - it just felt very unreal. I'm very sorry for their families, because they were very close.

Question from Cynna: Do you feel like you really understand what happened at Enron to bring it crashing down?

Jill Ford: After four months I understand better than I think most of the public does. There were a lot of factors that brought Enron down.

Question from Cortaid: What do you do when you're not a juror on high profile cases? Are you happy to get back to it?

Jill Ford: I work in marketing, and I was very happy to get back to a normal life, where I don't have to be downtown at 7:45 every morning. I work a lot faster now, much more efficiently.

Court TV Host: Any closing thoughts?

Jill Ford: It was a long, arduous learning experience, and I'm very glad I'm over with it. I continue to thank my family and most of my friends for being supportive over the four months and even now. Thank you so much for having me and for all your questions. I really enjoyed it.

Court TV Host: We did too. Thank you for being our guest.

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